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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Unity8 updates | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22187/unity8-updates/ | ||
| kgunn | if folks want to join... | 13:58 |
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| kgunn | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdeoIQjgglMiG2l--2zSdJl12RcGP4SVmbnUJlCuSjsDyWw5w?authuser=0 | 13:59 |
| didrocks | kgunn: you were breaking up | 14:15 |
| jdstrand | rsalveti: ah, I just pinged Chris to join this session, so maybe you can ask your questions about hwaccel here :) | 14:54 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: rsalveti: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdv1-3CbM3iyNnFODizI2urwkZIi7l-Z_2EdBSK31bgzTt0pA | 14:54 |
| didrocks | bfiller: ^ | 14:55 |
| bfiller | didrocks: thanks | 14:55 |
| bfiller | oSoMoN: ^^^ | 14:55 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-client-2 to: Track: Client | Web Browser Application for touch devices | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/meeting/22178/client-1303-apps-webbrowser/ | ||
| rsalveti | hm, got a conflict with core-1, but will try to join for a while | 14:56 |
| jdstrand | I too have a conflict | 14:56 |
| jdstrand | I've asked chris to join (who is a better representative for this anyway) | 14:56 |
| alex-abreu | what's the hg url? | 15:00 |
| didrocks | alex-abreu: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdv1-3CbM3iyNnFODizI2urwkZIi7l-Z_2EdBSK31bgzTt0pA | 15:01 |
| sergiusens | bfiller, your live | 15:01 |
| alex-abreu | didrocks, thx | 15:01 |
| didrocks | yw | 15:02 |
| dbarth | hey chrisccoulson, can you share the branch with the ua work? | 15:03 |
| chrisccoulson | https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/oxide/network-callbacks | 15:04 |
| dbarth | sweet! | 15:04 |
| alesage | question about the possibility of getting a webdriver going: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1285750 | 15:09 |
| udsbotu | Launchpad bug 1285750 in Oxide "Provide a web driver for user acceptance testing" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Alexandre Abreu (abreu-alexandre) | 15:09 |
| alesage | does the existing chromium driver help us? | 15:09 |
| bfiller | ppa install instructions here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7084806/ | 15:09 |
| alex-abreu | alesage, not really we need a specific build | 15:10 |
| daker | Are we going to have a developer tools with Oxide ? | 15:14 |
| alex-abreu | daker, yes part of the plan | 15:14 |
| alex-abreu | daker, there is a bug for that, I am checking that in between other things | 15:14 |
| dbarth | didrocks: here is the ffe for now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libunity-webapps/+bug/1290535 | 15:14 |
| daker | for 14.04 or 14.10 ? | 15:14 |
| udsbotu | Launchpad bug 1290535 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Webapps support for the new Oxide container" [Undecided,New] | 15:14 |
| alex-abreu | daker, ideally 14.04 | 15:14 |
| daker | ok | 15:15 |
| bfiller | bugs here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bugs?field.tag=oxide | 15:15 |
| didrocks | daker: thx! | 15:15 |
| rickspencer3 | QUESTION: sorry if I missed it, but is it useful if I try the browser on my desktop? | 15:15 |
| elopio | here is a bug reported for web driver: | 15:15 |
| elopio | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1285750 | 15:15 |
| udsbotu | Launchpad bug 1285750 in Oxide "Provide a web driver for user acceptance testing" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Alexandre Abreu (abreu-alexandre) | 15:15 |
| dbarth | rickspencer3: it is, but you should be able to try that via the webapp container soon | 15:15 |
| bfiller | and here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide | 15:15 |
| dbarth | rickspencer3: as webapps should run on top of an oxide container | 15:16 |
| rickspencer3 | dbarth, ok | 15:16 |
| dbarth | and it works quite well; running youtube and google calendar with it everyday | 15:16 |
| rickspencer3 | if it would help for me to install a ppa and try testing now, I'm happy to do that | 15:16 |
| elopio | dbarth is doing the hangout from oxide ;) | 15:17 |
| rickspencer3 | nice! | 15:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i think that was a joke ;) | 15:17 |
| rickspencer3 | bfiller, can you give me instructions for installing the web browser? | 15:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm fairly sure that wouldn't work yet :) | 15:17 |
| rickspencer3 | I'll totally switch to it as my primary | 15:17 |
| bfiller | rickspencer3: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7084806/ | 15:17 |
| dbarth | elopio: not yet | 15:17 |
| rickspencer3 | bfiller, that seems within my skills and abilities ;) | 15:17 |
| * rickspencer3 installs | 15:18 | |
| bfiller | rickspencer3: :) | 15:18 |
| dbarth | rickspencer3: just make sure to remove the ppa from your source list once installed | 15:18 |
| bfiller | rickspencer3: just make sure to remove that ppa from your sources list after, as it has a lot of other cruft that could mess up your desktop | 15:18 |
| bfiller | rickspencer3: we're working on moving the oxide stuff to it's own ppa but not there yet | 15:18 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks dbarth and bfiller | 15:19 |
| rickspencer3 | good tip | 15:19 |
| rickspencer3 | bfiller, dbarth just ppa-purge? | 15:20 |
| daker | i use the ua-string override for some webapps | 15:20 |
| dbarth | rickspencer3: never really used ppa-purge much, but this should work, yes | 15:21 |
| rickspencer3 | arg ... g+ won't let me go there in the browser :? | 15:23 |
| * rickspencer3 shakes fist at Google | 15:24 | |
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| oSoMoN | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7085057/ | 15:36 |
| pmcgowan | Has there been any updates from the Mozilla folks on their success or lack thereof in getting websites fixed? | 15:37 |
| pmcgowan | Do we have a plan for how to avoid the offers for native app installs? | 15:37 |
| daker | they evangelize their UA, so they the websites that don't serve mobile content for their UA | 15:38 |
| pmcgowan | daker, right, and we somewhat benefit from that, we did talk to them directly | 15:39 |
| daker | pmcgowan: i believe oSoMoN and chrisccoulson had a meeting with them | 15:39 |
| pmcgowan | yes | 15:39 |
| pmcgowan | ah right, the toolkits | 15:42 |
| pmcgowan | beuno was going to help on that | 15:42 |
| pmcgowan | I think I would prefer to have our own pure user agent but some sort of blanket override possibility, as even the bastard string may not work | 15:42 |
| pmcgowan | the problem is of course you cannot go back | 15:43 |
| rickspencer3 | it will help them win if Ubuntu becomes more common | 15:44 |
| rvr | The UA pattern to serve desktop/mobile content is a broken one | 15:44 |
| pmcgowan | rickspencer3, whats your thinking, go with a practical string or with a pure string that needs overrides everywhere? | 15:47 |
| rickspencer3 | pmcgowan, I think we should start with the practical over the pure | 15:47 |
| rickspencer3 | that's my $.02 | 15:48 |
| rickspencer3 | make the web work | 15:48 |
| rickspencer3 | the trade off for the Ux is getting those darn "install my app" pages | 15:48 |
| pmcgowan | yeah thats the issue | 15:48 |
| rickspencer3 | pmcgowan, yeah, I think we should accept that trade off for now | 15:50 |
| rickspencer3 | imho | 15:50 |
| pmcgowan | yeah, no perfect answer, the web is busted | 15:50 |
| pmcgowan | its also hard to get statistics to show how often our browser is used if the string changes | 15:53 |
| pmcgowan | when will downloads work? | 15:54 |
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| didrocks | bfiller: ok, let's wrap up maybe and switch to next session? | 15:56 |
| pmcgowan | thanks | 15:57 |
| didrocks | bfiller: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYes4tHRU4-_4wV_CTOx5w50Gu0iCBJwKuk0vrxpHKJHImEvog for your next session | 15:57 |
| bfiller | renato: ^^^ | 15:59 |
| bfiller | spec is here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1qa0twAq3oRbzsIM5kkjsWm0D1cUP1IQrOyv4fgYIfIo/edit# | 16:01 |
| tedg | Hmm, wasn't in the room. Can someone repaste the doc? | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1qa0twAq3oRbzsIM5kkjsWm0D1cUP1IQrOyv4fgYIfIo/edit# | 16:05 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Thanks! | 16:05 |
| tedg | Why do we want them as one process? It seems like running the sync component and then having the memory free'd is a good thing? | 16:08 |
| mardy | tedg: +1 | 16:09 |
| tedg | What is sync monitor watching? Could we just make it conditions of the upstart job? | 16:09 |
| mardy | tedg: online accounts events (account created, enabled, disabled, deleted) | 16:10 |
| mardy | tedg: maybe something else as well, I don't know | 16:10 |
| tedg | mardy, Those are all dbus signals, no? | 16:10 |
| bfiller | sync monitor watching UOA enable/disable events and changes to the address book service so it knows when to kick off the sync | 16:11 |
| mardy | tedg: yes | 16:11 |
| tedg | So yeah, we can use the upstart dbus bridge. | 16:11 |
| tedg | start on dbus SIGNAL=enable or dbus SIGNAL=disable | 16:12 |
| jono | hey all | 16:14 |
| tedg | Would be interesting if we could run syncevolution based on a push notification. | 16:14 |
| jono | sorry, just joined, do we have any ETAs when we can expose google calendar events to the calendar app? | 16:15 |
| jono | I think that will significantly ramp up calendar development | 16:16 |
| charles | +1 | 16:16 |
| * tedg thinks jono just wants his team to show up to meetings | 16:16 | |
| jono | lol | 16:16 |
| charles | having google calendar events show up in the datetime indicator automatically without a lot of manual user config work would be a big win | 16:17 |
| tedg | Yeah, I'm always surprised how many people don't know that feature in datetime exists. | 16:18 |
| tedg | Would love that on the desktop as well. | 16:18 |
| jono | tedg, because it never works :-) | 16:18 |
| tedg | jono, Heh, I use it constantly. | 16:18 |
| * tedg setup the ical feed for vUDS | 16:18 | |
| charles | tedg, it's because people don't know about syncevolution and its config is nontrivial | 16:18 |
| jono | dpm, can you throw me the hangout URL | 16:18 |
| charles | having it Just Work would be so much better | 16:18 |
| tedg | charles, Sure it needs to be part of configuring online accounts. | 16:18 |
| dpm | jono, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYes4tHRU4-_4wV_CTOx5w50Gu0iCBJwKuk0vrxpHKJHImEvog | 16:18 |
| tedg | Wow, just saw jono on the feed. | 16:20 |
| tedg | Seems like a 2 min delay today on hangouts. | 16:20 |
| jono | tedg, I am everywhere | 16:20 |
| jono | check your closet | 16:20 |
| tedg | jono, I know you're in the closet | 16:20 |
| * tedg locks the door | 16:21 | |
| tedg | jono, We should talk about the delay with Google though, it has made vUDS harder today. | 16:22 |
| jono | tedg, I am coming out of the closet | 16:22 |
| jono | tedg, delay | 16:22 |
| jono | ? | 16:22 |
| tedg | jono, Today the delay for the hangout feed is about 2 min, making HO/IRC sync harder. | 16:22 |
| jono | yikes | 16:22 |
| balloons | tedg, yea I agree it feels worse | 16:23 |
| Saviq | syncevo on MeeGo lets you set schedules | 16:24 |
| Saviq | i.e. every 10 minutes during the day, every hour overnight | 16:24 |
| Saviq | and that's per-provider, something like that would be relatively cheap, and could be modified to take WiFi vs. 3G into account | 16:25 |
| tedg | When you get there (fighting the delay) why do we want Qt binding for SyncEvo backends instead of extending at the EDS backend? | 16:29 |
| * mardy afk | 16:32 | |
| Saviq | dpm, jono - it works with the steps from http://notyetthere.org/syncing-ubuntu-touch-with-owncloud-or-any-carddav-server/ | 16:35 |
| Saviq | with the caveat that you need to tweak some of the parameters | 16:35 |
| Saviq | to make it use a calendar and not the contacts | 16:36 |
| jono | thanks Saviq | 16:36 |
| * Saviq is syncing the calendar for a while now | 16:36 | |
| dpm | thanks! | 16:37 |
| pmcgowan | that model is not great for the phone? | 16:42 |
| pmcgowan | periodic polling that is by the syncevo daemon | 16:43 |
| pmcgowan | right, push | 16:43 |
| tedg | The problem with us doing it is that we need to then move the Google credientials for all the users to our server. | 16:45 |
| nxvl | and that's something most users won't accept | 16:45 |
| tedg | nxvl, Well, most users probably would accept it, but I don't want that responsibility :-) | 16:46 |
| nxvl | and why some people didn't trusted blackberry e-mail | 16:46 |
| nxvl | tedg: well, yeah, that as well | 16:46 |
| tedg | We probably don't want a library, and loading that. | 16:47 |
| tedg | It's hard to confine a loadable module. | 16:47 |
| tedg | It'd be better if we could run a process that then could use some IPC. | 16:47 |
| tedg | We don't want a trusted daemon loading untrusted code into its memory space. | 16:48 |
| tedg | I think the simple use-case is a Facebook type app that could put birthdays in the calendar. | 16:49 |
| tedg | Or allowing enterprises to put the corporate directory as a click package. | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | tedg, that would be a cool use case | 16:50 |
| tedg | Or Salesforce having all your business contacts as an addressbook. | 16:52 |
| tedg | bfiller, renato, jono, ping on the security issue above | 16:52 |
| jdstrand | it is impossible to confine a loaded module | 16:54 |
| jdstrand | said loaded module must be in a separate process to confine it | 16:54 |
| bfiller | tedg: not sure what the security issue is.. can you summarize? | 16:54 |
| tedg | bfiller, Don't use a lib, needs to be a separate process. | 16:54 |
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| bfiller | tedg: it is already a seperte process (sync-monitor/sync evo) | 16:55 |
| tedg | bfiller, In the 3rd party case. | 16:55 |
| bfiller | ah | 16:55 |
| tedg | The comment makes sense to where I am in the HO feed :-) | 16:55 |
| * jdstrand has no context at alol | 16:56 | |
| jdstrand | all | 16:56 |
| didrocks | bfiller: it's time to start wrapping up (there is a meeting about Qt 5.2 after that one) | 16:56 |
| * jdstrand is in another session | 16:56 | |
| bfiller | ok | 16:56 |
| tedg | alol is my favorite state | 16:56 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: double yourself! | 16:56 |
| jdstrand | mine too, it just isn't the state I'm in :) | 16:56 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: man, I wish I could code that up :) | 16:56 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: I heard good things about go with multiple processes :p | 16:57 |
| * tedg is staticly compiled | 16:57 | |
| dobey | tedg: you wish :) | 16:58 |
| zyga-uds | thanks | 16:58 |
| zyga-uds | very interesting session | 16:58 |
| jdstrand | bfiller, tedg: again completely lacking context but I will say it is ok to use a .so file *if* you fork, aa_change_profile(), then load. the new scopes architectureis doing something similar iirc | 17:02 |
| jdstrand | though there might be some issues there with shared memory. if going that route, I recommend talking to the security team for specifics | 17:04 |
| tedg | jdstrand, The problem in this case is that you'd want more than one. | 17:05 |
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