[18:00] <thomi> Anyone wants to join us for the autopilot round table: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYefvyhwZkYh6Bj1VOERupZlRMs8Ed65ToX6KaLeueMdVduAVA?authuser=1&hl=en
[18:01] <thomi> barry-uds: you may want to join us?
[18:14] <sergiusens> mzanetti is the only person that ever used it
[18:14] <sergiusens> use the app developer list
[18:15] <sergiusens> elopio, thomi there's an app developer list
[18:15] <sergiusens> where the app guys are
[18:15] <sergiusens> not all of them are on the phone list
[18:15] <barry> sergiusens: different than ubuntu-phone?
[18:15] <balloons> sergiusens, the core apps list or something else?
[18:15] <sergiusens> yeah, that one
[18:15] <sergiusens> ubuntu-touch-coreapps@lists.launchpad.net
[18:16] <sergiusens> perhaps both; wo get btoh halves
[18:16] <sergiusens> *two
[18:16] <sergiusens> *both
[18:16]  * sergiusens should of just rewritten the whole sentence
[18:17]  * balloons 's dog says hi
[18:17] <alesage> "feature coverage", e.g.
[18:19] <sergiusens> thomi, do you want coverage for stories or code? and if code; is it supposed to aggregate with unit tests et.al.
[18:19] <alesage> the concept of "experiences" has come to the fore, maybe that'd be a more useful mapping
[18:19] <thomi> sergiusens: yup, we want coverage for workflow, not code
[18:19] <thomi> and you shoul d*never* aggregate coverage for different test levels :)
[18:20] <sergiusens> thomi, well; my next point was aggregating wasn't useful unless you like looking at colors :-P
[18:21] <sergiusens> but nothing else from a dev perspective
[18:21] <thomi> right :)
[18:21] <sergiusens> so good :-)
[18:35] <sergiusens> thomi, elopio you will need to do it through envvars and intervene with upstart app launch
[18:35] <sergiusens> u-a-l only allows APP_ID and _APP_URI
[18:36] <elopio> sergiusens: which are the envvars that decide the window size?
[18:36] <sergiusens> yes; you need to change qmlscene perhaps; but you can't pass arguments easily in that contained environment
[18:37] <sergiusens> elopio, oh, no envvars for that; but bill was talking about full sceen/non fullscreen for launching apps in a seesion from yesterday or the day before
[18:37] <alesage> OT but I'm enjoying watching the kiwi dawn breaking through thomi's window :)
[18:38] <thomi> alesage: it's nice out there
[18:39] <alesage> is there a blueprint for vis or some such (even if old)?
[18:39] <thomi> alesage: nope
[18:40] <DanChapman_uds> balloons: I don't use it anymore :-) it's too awkward with the amount of trees
[18:41] <balloons> oO hey DanChapman_uds :-) Anything else you want to comment on?
[18:41] <balloons> want to hop in to chat ?
[18:41] <alesage> concerning querying, I know that XPath-type selections are possible with autopilot but maybe someone do a mini-tutorial on that at some point
[18:42] <DanChapman_uds> can't jump in, unless the sounds of screaming children is welcomed :-)
[18:43] <elopio> DanChapman_uds: I always have a barking dog, you and your children are welcome :)
[18:43] <balloons> DanChapman_uds, any comments on using autopilot, feedback, features, etc, all welcome :)
[18:43] <balloons> and yes, background noise is fine, hah
[18:44] <alesage> maybe people just have to learn that, if they need the power, e.g.
[18:45] <DanChapman_uds> balloons: i'm  a happy man with autopilot since thomi implemented the delayed assertions. That's the only feature i've really wanted :-)
[18:45] <thomi> :)
[18:46] <balloons> http://qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:54] <alesage> lazy evaluation
[18:55] <alesage> makes sense :) thanks gents
[18:56] <veebers> balloons: I see your dog made a background  appearance in the last  5 seconds :-)
[18:56] <balloons> veebers, :-) yes