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MooDoohello all06:54
bashrchello07:25
MooDoohi bashrc07:25
Knightwisemorning07:36
jussimorning all07:50
MooDoomorning jussi07:51
jussiheya MooDoo07:51
diploMorning all08:00
MartijnVdS\o diplo08:01
MooDoohowdy diplo MartijnVdS08:02
popeyMorning08:14
nigelbGood Morning popey, feeling better?08:15
MooDoomorning pop08:15
MooDoopopey:08:15
popeyyes thanks08:15
popeynow sophie is unwell08:16
popeyso it's done the whole rounds of the family now08:16
nigelboh, well.08:16
dogmatic69bigcalm:  TF2 101mb on 100mb line08:54
dogmatic69been upgraded to 152mb now though08:54
dogmatic69not sure when that will kick in08:54
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:24
popeyyo09:24
bigcalmHo ho and a bottle of rum?09:24
popeynot a fan of rum09:25
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy World Kidney Day! :-D09:25
popeymmmm pie09:26
popeyhttp://drool.popey.com/09:26
foobarryalmost pi day09:35
foobarryamerican pi09:35
bigcalmMy parents' cat thinks it's a bit cold today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfeu5m7mzkho3za/2014-03-13%2009.24.51.jpg09:41
andrewebdevany developers here want a Atom invite? Unfortunately it's Mac only at this point but they have indicated a linux version should be in the works soon09:44
bigcalmWhat is Atom?09:47
jussiis it not that new text editor that wants to be online vim or something?09:49
jussihttps://atom.io/09:50
jussino idea if that is what he is talking about though... :D09:50
andrewebdevnot online vim really, more like sublime text09:53
bigcalmWow, Mac only, not even a Windows version09:54
andrewebdevbigcalm, https://plus.google.com/109285932241172275424/posts/E4XEcTMwxF109:54
DJonesHmmh, anybody want to try out graze? Just got a £10 voucher to spend on 1st 5 graze boxes for new customers09:54
bigcalmI'm happy with PhpStorm09:54
bigcalmDJones: I gave up on graze as the postal delivery was pretty much always late09:55
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:55
bigcalmandrewebdev: fair enough09:55
bigcalmHi brobostigon09:55
DJonesbigcalm: I never tried them, the food seemed to healthy for my tastes09:55
brobostigonhi bigcalm09:55
bigcalmDJones: the food is great. Just the delivery sucked, for me09:56
bigcalmDJones: I got a lot of free boxes from them but gave up after a few months09:56
jussiDJones: I dont think its available here, unfortunately09:58
foobarrycan anyone open the top 2 release notes on this page? https://h10145.www1.hp.com/downloads/SoftwareReleases.aspx?ProductNumber=J9642A&lang=&cc=&prodSeriesId=&SoftwareReleaseUId=10809&SerialNumber=&PurchaseDate=10:23
MartijnVdSFirst one, yes10:24
MartijnVdSactually10:24
foobarrywhat does it show?10:24
MartijnVdS"For the best experience, use Acrobat"10:24
* bigcalm drums his fingers, waiting for something to happen10:24
foobarryMartijnVdS: yeah, can't actually see the pdf10:24
foobarryi hate these big companies who do dumb stuff like this10:25
MartijnVdSweird10:25
foobarrydoes the same on windows. looks shagged10:26
MartijnVdShttp://superuser.com/questions/412206/how-do-i-open-a-acrobat-x-document-without-the-newest-version10:26
foobarryi haz adobe X10:26
MartijnVdSthey made the PDFs wrong10:27
foobarrywhat fool decided release notes in a non visible format was a good idea should be shot10:28
MartijnVdSit's a "pdf portfolio", not just a PDF, apparently10:28
foobarryyou can't even download it10:29
dwatkins_PDF portfolios are just a collection of documents.10:29
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MartijnVdSdwatkins_: yes, but no Linux tools seem to exist to extract them properly or view them10:30
foobarrythe server was unavailabel earlier, so might just be broken10:30
MartijnVdSexcept Adobe's full-of-holes-ware10:30
foobarrybecause i can't even download the portfooio10:30
foobarryeven trying to d/l the software gives 40410:31
foobarryah, d/led the softwre now, its got the release notes in the zip10:32
foobarrywht a fail10:32
foobarry"to view the flash technology in this pdf file please install a version of flash that support adobe reader"10:33
MartijnVdSgive me PDF/1A any day :)10:33
foobarryor .tx10:33
foobarry.txt10:33
dwatkinsthe portfolio appears to just be a ZIP archive.10:34
foobarryyou were able to download?10:34
dwatkinsI think so, it might have extracted the files when I opened the portfolio no my Mac, just checking by hand from the terminal.10:35
foobarryi get "webpage is not availabel half the time"10:35
dwatkinsI was able to download the file itself from HP, though, yes10:36
dwatkinslet me know if you want the component files uploading to wetransfer or somesuch10:36
foobarryyes pls10:36
foobarrywould be wonderful cheers10:36
foobarryah hold on10:36
foobarryi installed flash and now i can see the pdf10:37
dwatkinsaha cool10:37
foobarrythanks for the offer though10:37
foobarryhp are clearly doing it wrong10:37
dwatkinsnp10:37
dwatkinsI don't see why Flash would be required, it's just a portfolio with three PDFs in it.10:37
foobarryopening the pdf foudn inside the software.zip on windows req'd in10:38
foobarryis it normal that you can't select 10Gb-full duplex mode on a switch10:43
foobarryi have to choose auto, or auto-duplex-10gb10:43
MartijnVdSyes.10:43
foobarryit makes vmware complain10:43
MartijnVdSAnything from 1Gb onwards -> auto duplex10:43
MartijnVdSauto negotiate *everything* even10:44
foobarryin vsphere i cannot choose autoneg on my adapter10:44
foobarrymight check the bios10:44
foobarryi can choose it on the intel 1gb ones10:45
MartijnVdSwait.. you have a *virtual* 10Ge adapter?10:45
MartijnVdS*confused*10:45
foobarryi have phyiscal ones10:45
foobarrybut looking at the pyhs adapter details in vmware shows 10gb,full, rather than autoneg10:46
MartijnVdSit probably autonegotiated full, because that's the only option for 10Ge?10:46
foobarryno. autoneg appears as an option on the 1gbs10:47
foobarryneed to inspect my host profile and the bios settings10:47
MartijnVdSfoobarry: 10GbE and 1GbE are different technologies10:48
foobarryMartijnVdS: my confusion arises because when applying a host profile, it says it is setting the physical 10gb nics to autoneg10:49
foobarrybut when i reapply the proifle , it says it is doing it again10:49
foobarryso when i inspect the adapter, it doesn't look like autoneg is set10:49
MartijnVdSfoobarry: what is "applying a host profile"?10:50
foobarryvmware's way of making sure all hypervisors have the same settings10:50
foobarryi think its just a vmware oddity..10:51
foobarryof which there are a few10:52
bigcalmWould anybody here buy car headlight bulbs so cheaply as this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/HALOGEN-HEADLAMP-BULB-P14-5s-10mm/dp/B0045UXOT0/11:10
foobarryi bought one yesterday for £3.9511:10
foobarrywhat's h1? i bought h711:10
bigcalmI usually pay about 7ish quid each when mine pop11:10
MartijnVdSbigcalm: only if I wanted to blind other people11:10
foobarrybigcalm: then you go to halfords11:11
diploI work for an electrical wholesaler, the lamps ( that's what we call them ) are really cheap compared to the Halfords of the world11:11
foobarryhalfords = pc world11:11
diploThe profit the sheds make is quite unbelievable11:11
bigcalmfoobarry: 7ish quid is the cheapest you can do. H1 are expensive everywhere else11:11
foobarryh1 is high beam?11:12
foobarrychanging the bulb on a focus sucks. need to wait til the weekend to do mine11:12
bigcalmH1 = dipped, H7 = main11:13
foobarryoh11:14
foobarryman gave me wrong one.11:14
bigcalmOh my car - Peugeot 40711:14
bigcalms/Oh/On11:14
foobarrywhich is "normal"11:15
foobarrydipped or main11:15
bigcalmdipped11:15
bigcalmYou use your main (full) beam when driving on country lanes with no on coming traffic and street lights11:15
foobarryterminology is confusing11:15
foobarryregular and high11:15
foobarryin my world11:16
bigcalmfoobarry: look here :) http://www.powerbulbs.com/vehicles/cars/uk-ireland/peugeot/407/2004-onwards/car-headlight-bulbs11:16
foobarryrebooted my server 4 times in a row. keep missing the f1 page as it takes 5 mins to boot11:16
foobarry* Dipped/Low Beam: H7 (499)11:17
foobarryphew11:17
bigcalmSee, it differs from car to car11:17
* bigcalm orders 10 H1 bulbs11:19
foobarryi'd prefer a builb that lasts long time11:19
foobarrywonder if its possible or they all come from same factory11:20
foobarryi don't think i've used 10 bulbs in 20+ years11:23
bigcalmhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/HALOGEN-HEADLAMP-BULB-P14-5s-10mm/dp/B0078F6QTE/11:24
bigcalmI think that'll do me11:24
bigcalmIs 55W enough for dipped?11:25
davmor2bigcalm: I could look at the haynes but I don't like you that much :P11:27
davmor2morning all11:27
bigcalmMorning11:28
foobarrylol11:28
bigcalmI think the ones I've been buying have been 55W. It'll do11:29
davmor2bigcalm: dipped beam is apparently a D2s-35w Xenon bulb apparently11:29
bigcalmdavmor2: maybe in recent versions. I don't have Xenon bulbs11:30
davmor2bigcalm: oh only on some so you would have to check on your car which is fitted11:30
bigcalmThey piss me off as well11:30
foobarryi feel about cars the way many people feel about computers11:31
foobarrystuf goes wrong you pay top dollar because you are clueless11:32
bigcalmHehe11:32
foobarry"your disk brakes are pitted" "your machine is low on swap space"11:32
bigcalmWow, this is a very clever use of youtube & tumblr http://sumire-uesaka-parallax-view.tumblr.com/11:36
jussioooh oooh, its 13:37 now!!! :D11:37
jussi:P11:37
bigcalmBah, 2 hours to go11:38
foobarry!release11:41
lubotu3Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases11:41
foobarry!tardy11:42
foobarry!trusty11:42
lubotu3Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu.  See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+111:42
Myrttiturdy11:42
foobarrywhens beta1 out?11:42
popeylast month11:44
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule11:44
foobarryah, was thinking final beta :S11:45
foobarry27th11:45
davmor2jussi: you and your fake timezone raising our hopes11:47
jussidavmor2: pffft :P11:47
davmor2popey: do you have issue with the new lock screen11:47
dwatkinsare we allowed screensavers yet on a default install?11:48
popeydavmor2: be more specific?11:48
davmor2popey: it appears but the screen doesn't blank you unlock it and then the screen blank and then you have to unlock it again11:49
bigcalmCan't remember the last time I wanted to use a screen saver other thank blackness and going to standby. Saving power is a good thing11:49
dwatkinsI agree that saving power is good, but sometimes it's nice to have pretty patterns on the screen (and on the desktop background, which is where I sometimes run glmatrix)11:51
foobarryyeah11:51
foobarrypretty is nice in an office of conformity and dullness11:52
dwatkinsexactly, it also shows I'm in the office but have just stepped away from my desk.11:52
popeydavmor2: having difficulty parsing that11:52
davmor2popey: on the desktop, your screen is suppose to blank after 5 minutes correct?  Instead what is happening is it is displaying the new lock screen.  You unlock is and 2-3 second later the screen blanks and you have to unlock it again to get back to the desktop11:54
davmor2popey: was that a better description11:54
popeyok11:54
foobarrynew unity lockscreen looks a lot like login screen #confusing - did i log out?11:54
popeyit looks almost identical to the login screen #consistent11:54
popeydavmor2: i rarely leave my machine for more than 5 mins to trigger it, will try at lunch11:55
davmor2popey: let me see what happens if I lock it11:55
davmor2popey: I just went to the loo so it had locked while I was gone that is the only reason I've seen it :)11:56
popeyThanks for the detail.11:56
popeyPee faster.11:56
davmor2popey: no I think it was close to locking anyway, this machine hadn't :P11:57
jussithe weird thing is on kde when I wake up from sleep I unlock the kde lock screen, then the unity one comes up and I have to unlock that also. (I also have unity installed)12:05
popeydavmor2: nope, i dont get two unlocks12:34
bigcalmDoes anybody get what looks like two wifi icons in the notification area?12:34
bigcalmOne acts as normal, the other just allows you to enable/disable wifi and wired connections12:35
davmor2popey: seb128 just pointed out that it might be a race between unity that now handles it and the old gnome lock as I haven't rebooted so I'm going to do that now and see what happens12:35
popeybigcalm: yes, uninstall indicator-network12:37
MartijnVdSpopey: that also removes ubuntu-system-settings as a dependency12:38
MartijnVdSand unity-scope-click12:38
popeyintentional12:38
popeyyou dont want/need those, unless you plan on using unity812:38
MartijnVdSI removed the "mediascanner service' yesterday12:39
MartijnVdSno idea how that got installed12:39
bigcalmpopey: doesn't bother me, just unexpected12:48
mappshello13:23
mappswell dusk till dawn the series was a let down ;/13:24
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dwatkinsI didn't have high hopes for it.14:37
mappsyou watched it too?14:41
bigcalmWelp. That house may have been 20k cheaper than the one we like. But the price isn't enough to sway us14:41
popeybigcalm: where you moving to?14:51
bigcalmpopey: same area that we're in right now14:52
popeyoh14:52
bigcalmMy parents have given us 40k to help us get our own house (they don't like us renting)14:52
popeygolly14:52
popeyhandy14:53
bigcalmIndeed14:53
bigcalmThe way they put it; it's money we'd be getting any way once they die, might as well make use of it now14:53
bigcalmI appear to have very level headed parents14:53
bigcalmWell, you've met them14:54
popeyheh14:57
Myrtti:-)14:58
MyrttiI've moved out of my apartment \o/14:58
MartijnVdSMyrtti: and into..? :)14:58
Myrttididn't go crazy in the process14:58
MartijnVdSMyrtti: (congrats, btw)14:58
MyrttiMartijnVdS: temporary staging point at my sisters14:58
Myrttimy 1½m³ of stuff arrived safe and sound to UK on Monday14:59
bigcalmMyrtti: well done :) I hope the emigration goes well :)14:59
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PendulumMyrtti: yay! congrats!15:02
bigcalmdogmatic69: ping15:30
dogmatic69bigcalm:  pong15:31
bigcalmdogmatic69: ta for VM info before. Glad it's still working15:32
bigcalmdogmatic69: CakePHP 1.1 - I have a field that I need to alter from a boolean to a int. I've altered the database and deleted the default_ cache file for the class. But CakePHP rebuilds it with that field as a boolean. Any thoughts?15:33
dogmatic69strange15:34
dogmatic69you stick debug on?15:34
bigcalmDebugging is on, what should I look for?15:35
dogmatic69how do you know its still 'bool'15:35
bigcalmI reload the default_ file after it's been recreated and its in there as a boolean15:35
bigcalmI only looked there because my code to save a field with 2 kept on coming back as 115:35
* bigcalm deletes the whole of the cache/models directory15:36
davmor2bigcalm: with your parents being so normal what the hell happened to you :P15:36
bigcalmNot having a schema in a file is painful15:38
* bigcalm kippers davmor215:38
MartijnVdSpopey: do you know the new screensaver? where do I file bugs on it? :)15:38
popeyI guess it's part of unity15:39
davmor2MartijnVdS: the new lock screen is unity why?15:40
davmor2MartijnVdS: I'm about to file a bug for the lock screen showing on lock rather than blanking the screen if it is that15:41
bigcalmdogmatic69: wrong field name :)15:41
dogmatic69hehe15:42
* bigcalm sighs and continues his sorry life15:42
dogmatic69bigcalm:  cake 3 is alsmot out :D15:42
MartijnVdSdavmor2: If you lock with Ctrl+Alt+L, then walk away for $screensaver_timeout, then unlock, it will unlock, then relock again after a few seconds; unlocking the second time sticks15:42
bigcalmdogmatic69: I'm a Symfony2 person these days. I really should look at ZendFramework 2 at some point15:43
davmor2MartijnVdS: yeah I couldn't replicate it initially but it seems to work if you are away for a while15:43
bigcalmdogmatic69: and even look at getting Zend certification15:43
dogmatic69cool15:43
MartijnVdSdavmor2: so it's known?15:43
bigcalmWhen I find the time for that, who knows15:44
davmor2MartijnVdS: by me I couldn't replicate it I spoke to popey about it earlier :)15:44
MartijnVdSdavmor2: I'll file it then15:44
davmor2MartijnVdS: sure pass me the bug number and I'll confirm it15:44
MartijnVdSdavmor2: 129206915:48
bigcalmbug 1292069 ?15:50
lubotu3bug 1292069 in Unity "After locking the screen manually (Ctrl+Alt+L), then walking away, need to unlock twice" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129206915:50
* bigcalm is lazy ;)15:50
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cocoa117so am i right to assume the syslog-ng or rsyslog or syslogd is the program that is designed to handle logs, so it can be redistributed or managed. The individual program such as bind, sendmail, httpd will need to be configured to use those syslog program in order for administrator to handle the logs properly?17:14
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MooDooJamesTait: ping19:30
davmor2MooDoo: what did JamesTait do to annoy you ;)19:39
MooDoodavmor2: nothing posted a job advertisement19:40
MooDoowanted to say thanks :D19:40
davmor2MooDoo: why have you applied for it?19:41
MooDoodavmor2: yeah19:41
davmor2MooDoo: with us?19:41
MooDoodavmor2: yeah IS Squad lead19:41
davmor2MooDoo: Oh god no ;)19:41
MooDoodavmor2: lol thanks for your support sir ;)19:42
davmor2MooDoo: I mean YAY! \o/19:42
MooDoolol cheeky fecker ;)19:42
davmor2MooDoo: hey the last one was very nearly serious ;)19:44
MooDoodavmor2: here's very nearly two fingers at you / ;)19:45
davmor2MooDoo: if you get it it'll be \o/ \o/ \o/ :)19:45
MartijnVdS*\o/* *\o/* ?19:46
davmor2MooDoo: if you get it, it's your round.......always ;)19:47
MooDoodavmor2: deal.  but don't hold your breath ;)19:47
MooDooMartijnVdS: Don't you mean *\o/* */0\* C A ?19:52
* MartijnVdS wonders how that second emoticon works19:52
davmor2MartijnVdS: yeah the pompoms should be on the inside :D19:53
mappshmm20:56
mappsanchorman 2 was a let down too grmpf20:56
daftykinsmapps: yeah pretty yawn that was :(21:01
MooDooCan't say I've seen anchorman to be honest21:01
dogmatic69_anyone know if the sky box internals are good for anything?21:09
bigcalmYou could desolder components21:10
dogmatic69_well I was thinking more the main board is basically a raspberry pi21:11
dogmatic69_it runs linux, has hdmi, eth, sata etc21:11
mappsoh does it?21:13
mappsdidnt know hm21:13
mappsdaftykins always the case eh when somethings talked up so much..fails to live up to the hype and that21:13
dogmatic69_amstrad drx89021:13
daftykinsmapps: hmm i watched it pretty early so hadn't heard any hype, for #2 i mean21:14
daftykins#1 is... marmite21:14
dogmatic69_http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/271404727009_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg21:16
dogmatic69_must be someone hacking these things21:16
daftykinslooks like RAM beside the sink21:17
daftykinsserial port to fudge with21:17
dogmatic69_ye21:18
dogmatic69_eth, 2x sata, usb, serial.. has all the makings of something good21:18
dogmatic69_on the left seems like a load of I/O, they connect to another board with all the other stuff. power, rca, sound etc.21:19
dogmatic69_way cheaper than a pi too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMSTRAD-SKY-HD-MAIN-BOARD-ON-THE-DRX890-/271404727009?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Satellite_TV_Receivers&hash=item3f30fb7ae121:21
MG__Heating and fan sound problem sony vaio21:30
MG__?21:30
MG__any suggestion?21:32
dogmatic69_new fan21:32
MooDooyou could be a little clearer, what's the problem?21:38
MG__But I don't have problem using windows.21:38
MG__two days ago I installed ubuntu desktop on my sony Vaio laptop.21:38
MG__Now when I run windows there is no fan sound.21:39
bigcalmIt's possibly a graphics issue. Installing the binary drivers may help21:39
daftykinsversion? laptop model? hardware spec? sound hardware?21:39
MG__but as I go to ubuntu fan makes a lot noise.21:39
MG__Ubuntu Desktop 12.0421:41
MooDooMG__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/359591/how-do-i-fix-loud-fan-noise-and-heat-on-my-sony-vaio21:41
MG__Sony Vaio,21:41
MG__Tnaks MooDoo21:41
MooDootry it see what happens21:42
MG__What is TPL?21:42
MG__Sorry TLP?21:42
MooDooadvanced power management - http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html21:43
MG__Thanks MooDoo21:44
MooDoobut a lot of people say this will work although I can't confirm as i've never tried it - echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch21:44
MG__Good21:44
MooDooI would search for it in google before you try it, just to make sure it's not something that will cause your computers to freeze or something21:46
daftykinsfrozenputer21:46
MG__Ok21:51
MG__Thanks MooDoo21:52
MG__actually I have everything in this nootebook.21:52
MG__I can't do risk.21:52
MG__MooDoo, please note as I said21:53
MG__I don't have any problem using windows21:53
MooDooyeah I think it's specific to linux, you'd ave to google it21:55
MG__Ok21:57
MG__Lets try21:57
MG__Thank you for your help.21:57
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MooDoono probs21:59
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