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* Squirm looks around05:18
bdukMore almal05:37
ThatGraemeGuymorning all05:53
SpekkoMaaz: Coffee on06:15
* Maaz washes some mugs06:15
Spekkomorning all06:15
MaazCoffee's ready for Spekko!06:19
SpekkoMaaz domo arigato06:19
Maazdo- itashi mashite Spekko san06:19
SquirmMaaz: coffee on06:26
* Maaz starts grinding coffee06:26
SquirmMaaz: massive06:26
MaazSquirm: What?06:26
SquirmMaaz: largest06:26
MaazWhew do you want a bath full Squirm?06:26
SquirmMaaz: botsnack06:26
MaazThank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp06:26
MaazCoffee's ready for Squirm!06:30
inetprogood mornings06:56
jabberwocky93morning inetpro07:05
nlsthznalo07:29
Vince-0!09:13
=== somaunn is now known as somaunn_
somaunn_hello guys09:40
somaunn_hi nuvolari09:40
somaunn_hi drubin09:40
somaunn_hi inetpro09:40
somaunn_hi superfly09:40
superflyhi somaunn_09:48
somaunn_what's new here09:51
sakhihi somaunn_ 10:03
somaunn_Hi sakhi10:04
somaunn_what's new here ?10:05
Vince-0surp10:16
Vince-0same dizl10:16
Kilosgreetings superfly somaunn_ jabberwocky93 Spekko ThatGraemeGuy Vince-0 and others toooo10:34
Kilosbeing unorthodox helps at times10:34
SpekkoSup Kilos10:34
Kilosinetpro ping10:34
inetprohi Kilos10:35
* Squirm pops his head in10:35
Kilosmy d-link is working, but in a roundabout way10:35
Kiloshi squirm10:35
Kilosinetpro you wont believe10:35
inetprooh and hi Squirm, somaunn_ 10:36
Kilosi know whats wrong with the DWM-156 but dunno how to fix it10:36
inetproKilos: tell us10:36
Kilosbut i have it online10:36
ThatGraemeGuyhi10:36
Kilosit isnt triggering usb-modeswitch10:36
inetproKilos: tell the world10:36
inetproThatGraemeGuy: hi10:36
Kilosso the unorthodox way around that prov is to use another modem as well that triggers modeswitch and then the d-link goes online10:37
Kiloss/prov/prob10:37
jabberwocky93good afternoon Kilos10:38
Kilosdo you use this link with 8ta for balances and recharging?10:38
Kiloshttps://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=716338696040448647910:38
Kilosthat link shows my d-links info only even though nm sees zte and dlink as being online10:39
Kilosdoes all of this make sense to you guys10:40
SquirmHumpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't put humpty together again10:40
KilosSquirm ?10:41
Kilosam i gonna crash?10:41
SquirmI don't know10:42
SquirmI think I need to go to sleep10:42
SquirmI was playing with espeak10:42
Kiloslol10:42
SquirmI'm too tired for this10:42
Squirmwork, I mean10:42
Squirmactually I'm not too bad, just in a really good mood10:42
Squirmthe joys of sleep deprivation ^^10:43
Kiloshehe then work out what i do next man10:43
inetprosorry kilos, very difficult to help during working hours but maybe someone else can try10:45
Kilosno man i dont need help10:46
Kilosits online10:46
Kilosinetpro just tell me if using one modem with no data on to trigger modeswitch to use the second modems data is crazy or not10:47
somaunn_hi Kilos10:47
Kilosnow i can tell the telkom device section that their 156 dont trigger modeswitch10:47
Kilosi dont know if trigger is the right word10:48
Kilosthen ill tell the world how to fix things10:48
Kilosinetpro vandag se reen kom van natal10:56
Spekkohttp://www.php.net/manual/en/security.magicquotes.what.php10:57
Spekkooops10:57
Spekkomy bad10:57
Kiloshehe11:00
Kilosbtw we had no power since 8am and i hope its not just on while the power peeps are having lunch11:00
somaunn_bye bye all11:01
somaunn_coming in few hours11:01
charlgood afternoon11:10
charlMaaz: coffee on11:10
* Maaz puts the kettle on11:10
charlSpekko: really good to see they deprecated and later removed that feature - it was long overdue11:11
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!11:14
charlMaaz: thanks11:17
Maazcharl: Okay :-)11:17
Kiloshi charl 11:26
Spekkocharl, yeah agreed, but I'm running 5.4, and my content is still being escaped. Starting to think someone is mucking around in the DB Class.11:28
inetproKilos: when I say help I also mean to include respond11:36
Kilosok11:38
* Kilos in dog box again11:48
charlhi Kilos 11:56
charlSpekko: you can disable it, can't you?11:56
Kiloshi nlsthzn 12:07
nlsthznalo12:08
Kiloswhat does dmesg do13:16
inetproman dmesg13:29
inetproit explains it very clearly13:30
inetprook maybe not so clearly as the FreeBSD man page but you should get a good idea13:31
inetproKilos: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmesg13:32
Kilosty13:33
Squirm45min13:43
Kiloseish how does one get cutecom to see usb modems15:43
Kilosmine shows /dev/ttyS1 to 4 and nothing else and they all cant open modems15:44
Kiloshmm...17:27
Golynxo/17:32
Kiloso/17:33
Golynx\o/17:34
Golynxhow you doing uncle Kilos17:34
Kilosvery good ty and you Golynx 17:35
Kilosd-link working inna manner17:35
Trixar_zaHow did you get it to work?17:36
Kiloslekker fast17:36
Golynxi'm okay ty17:36
Kilosusing 2 modems17:36
Kilosone with no data to trigger modeswitch and the new one to do the work17:36
Trixar_zaThat shouldn't work Oo17:37
Kiloslol17:37
Trixar_zaAs I understand it - the modem is already switched when it's plugged in on linux - it just doesn't have ports assigned17:38
Trixar_zaor something like that17:38
Trixar_za:P17:38
Kilosnm doesnt even see it is there17:39
Kilosbut with the zte and the dlink it works17:39
Trixar_zaWeird17:39
Trixar_zaI have a ZTE one too17:39
Kilosnm shows 2 connections17:39
Trixar_zaan old K3570-Z17:40
Kilosi still cant get sakis3g working though17:40
Trixar_zaSo I haven't tested sakis3g with too many of them17:40
Trixar_zaMy sister has one of the new d-link ones17:40
Kilosand got latest ppa for nm and modeswitch17:40
Kilosmy zte is a mf190 but it keeps disconnecting when it feels like it17:41
Trixar_zaThere might be a fix for it in the latest usb_modeswitch17:41
Trixar_zawhat is the version number of the dlink again17:41
Trixar_zaso when I'm back on Linux I can check17:41
Kilosif i unplug the zte connection dies17:41
Kilosdwm-156 version 717:41
Kilossakis tell me i need libusb and or usb-compact17:42
=== jabberwocky93__ is now known as jabberwocky93
Kilosi have lotsa lib-usb and usb-dev but still sakis dont work17:43
Trixar_zaThe older usb_modeswitch needs the older libusb17:43
Trixar_zaLike I said, I have to upgrade it17:43
Trixar_zaAnd the device database while I'm at it17:43
Kilosoh its not here17:43
Trixar_zaI can only imagine how many extra ones they add17:44
Trixar_zaadded*17:44
Kilosi thought you said i must get the latest modeswitch so i got the ppa17:44
Kiloshehe17:44
Trixar_zaTechnically sakis3g should be able to use the system usb_modeswitch, but since it's not compatible with the new database format17:45
Trixar_za... it can't really do anything17:45
Kiloscan it be because ive gone 64bit?17:46
Trixar_zaUnlikely17:46
Trixar_zaSakis3g just can't read the new device database and use it17:47
Trixar_zaThat's the biggest problem17:47
Kilosanyway using 2 modems ive been connected all afternoon since about lunch time17:47
Trixar_zaIt's also why I make my own custom one using the old file syntax17:47
Kilosyou got some savvy with modems17:47
Trixar_zaYou should test the newest sakis3g when I finally make it17:47
Trixar_za:P17:48
Kiloswhat can be missing in the dlink that lets the pc see it needs to modeswitch17:48
Trixar_zaKind of getting impatient, so I might just install something like Debian so I can fix it17:48
Kilosits like its boot sector is missing17:49
Kiloslemme know when you have done with new sakis and ill test it17:50
Trixar_zaLet me see about downloading a install disc :P17:50
Trixar_zaWell that's ironic17:54
Trixar_zaDebian XFCE's iso is smaller than Debian LXDE's iso17:54
Kiloshi nlsthzn 17:55
nlsthzngood evening ZA channel and uncle Kilos 17:55
Kiloshehe17:55
Trixar_zaAnyway, bbl - going to go download thing thing quick :P17:55
Trixar_zathis*17:56
Kilosok17:56
nlsthzncan't believe after four days of hopping hell I ended up using Ubuntu Gnome Edition 14.04 :p17:57
Kiloswhy cant you believe it18:00
* jabberwocky93 slaps spekko__ with a large trout18:01
* jabberwocky93 can't wait for stable weston on his raspberry pi!18:02
jabberwocky93using omx player just isn't fun18:02
nlsthznbecause I am running Gnome 3 on purpose :p18:04
nlsthznjust heads up - http://youtu.be/Gi9CXi1fBw8 - I have a few beta keys so if someone is really interested in trying out a new moba...18:04
* Golynx wonder if Debian XFCE is better than Ubuntu Xfce18:04
Trixar_zaRight - should be an hour download18:04
nlsthzndoubt it Golynx 18:04
Trixar_za<--- back on 3G18:05
Golynxnlsthzn does the later have too much added on18:05
Trixar_zanlsthzn: I have my own tastes18:05
Trixar_zaI like XFCE, but I hate it's parts (same with LXDE actually)18:06
Trixar_zaSo I just use my own favorites like VLC, Deadbeef and gnome-mplayer18:06
nlsthznI think Xubuntu has a sane mix of applications... 18:06
nlsthznand just that little bit of polish and preconfiguration making it awesome18:07
Trixar_zaMy Windows and Linux settings should also be interchangeable18:08
Golynxnlsthzn yeah sounds good18:08
nlsthznwas playing with xubuntu 14.04 yesterday... they do multi-monitor support really well18:08
nlsthznor at least xfce 4.10 does :[18:09
nlsthzn:p18:09
Golynxbut a bit of gnome added in wont hurt18:09
Trixar_zaI've made an effort to use multi-platform software like Hexchat and Claws-mail18:09
Trixar_zaI'm just waiting for rubuntu18:09
Trixar_zaAs in razorQt Ubuntu18:09
Trixar_za:P18:09
nlsthznwell... it is just an apt-get away ;)18:10
Trixar_zaTrue... :P18:10
Kiloshi psydroid 18:12
Kilosnlsthzn is 14.04 unity worse than 12.0418:12
Kilosi like unity if i hasnt got all the eye candy in18:13
nlsthznnew unity much much faster18:14
nlsthznsince 13.10 much better18:14
psydroidhi Kilos 18:14
psydroidhi nlsthzn 18:15
psydroidhi Trixar_za 18:15
nlsthznhey psydroid 18:15
* psydroid is waiting for 14.04 to be released before he upgrades18:15
nlsthznI have now run Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Gnome edition 14.04 :p18:15
nlsthznwith the new automated testing breakage is almost non existant18:16
psydroid:D18:17
psydroidthat's awesome18:17
psydroidand much needed as well18:18
nlsthznstill a rough edge or two as you can imagine18:18
nlsthznunity didn't get much attention... still unity 7, some new scopes ...18:18
nlsthznnight all :)18:22
Trixar_zaNight nlsthzn18:22
Kilosnight nlsthzn 18:22
Kilossleep tight18:22
Kilosbot time again18:24
MaazKilos: Sorry...18:24
Kiloshi bereavement 18:24
Kiloshmm...18:25
psydroidnight nlsthzn 18:26
Golynx:O18:29
psydroidhi Golynx 18:29
psydroidbye bereavement18:29
Golynxhi psydroid18:29
psydroidforever ...18:30
Golynxlol18:30
Kilosya good18:31
Kilosthat was done by freenode hey18:31
Kilosjust got a mail from sourceforge resources that talks about the bot threat18:32
KilosSome of the most serious threats networks face today are "bots," 18:33
Golynxya, and "AI" gets better everyday18:34
Golynxsmart bots is not good, in the wrong hands18:34
Kiloshad another one about nsa jacking bots and using them to spy18:34
Trixar_zaYou know18:35
Trixar_zaI just realized that Liam backwards is mail18:35
Kiloslol18:35
Kilosso liamT  is tmail18:35
Trixar_zaThat's how I noticed it18:36
Kilosbut he chats here sometimes18:36
Trixar_zalol18:36
Trixar_zaIt's more fun if it was LiamG18:36
KilosliamT you not a bot hey?18:36
Kiloslol18:36
Kilosi dont like peeps craqshing freenode18:36
Kiloswish they could auto kline them on entry18:37
Kilosthis was the 9th one in a week and a bit here18:37
Trixar_zaI wouldn't worry if it was just one or two at a time18:38
Kilosthey planning another big ddos i think18:38
Trixar_zaIt's when you get a flood of like 10 or more that you should be worried about line or part flooding18:38
Kilosthey mustnt even be allowed to enter18:38
Trixar_zaAnyway - bbl - going to install now18:38
Kilosok18:38
Trixar_zaand if I don't see you - goodnight :P18:38
Kilosenjoy and ty Trixar_za 18:39
* Trixar_za downloads his own sakis3g just in case18:39
Kiloshehe18:39
Kiloswhere is the package18:39
Kilosi like the just in case18:39
Kiloshi superfly 18:39
Kiloswb psydroid_ 18:40
psydroid_ty Kilos 18:41
superflyhi Kilos18:42
Kilosinetpro praat gou voor jy te moeg is18:44
psydroid_hi superfly 18:54
superflyhi18:55
Golynxhey superfly18:55
Golynxsuperfly did you use flask with apache or nginx18:58
superflyGolynx: it depends18:59
superflyGolynx: at CareerJunction they use Apache with mod_wsgi, it's probably the most technically mature solution18:59
superflyI've used Flask with nginx and Phusion Passenger19:00
Golynxi used a old mod_wsgi file i had already but gave out errors. So i just installed a new one19:01
Golynxah thanks , i will use apache then19:01
somaunn_Hi all19:04
somaunn_hi Kilos19:04
Kiloswb somaunn_ 19:04
somaunn_thanks Kilos19:04
somaunn_guess what ?19:04
Kiloswhat?19:05
somaunn_i'm installing Ubuntu on my close friend Laptop19:05
somaunn_she gave up with Windows today19:06
somaunn_too much of nonsens she said19:06
Golynx\o/19:06
jabberwocky93it will be fun they said19:06
Golynxhi somaunn_19:06
somaunn_the install process is quite good now but still i found it a bit slow19:06
somaunn_hi Golynx19:06
somaunn_i found it more friendly than 12.10 (where i actually stop using ubuntu)19:08
Kiloslol19:08
Kilossooner or later everyone will be sick up and fed with windows19:10
somaunn_yeah you right19:10
Kilosjust taking a long time19:10
somaunn_but still there is a need for us to brign with sort of order in the linux world19:10
Kilosbut everyone that gets converted converts a couple more once they understand ubuntu19:11
Kilosi dont think one can do much about order in the linux world because there are too many systems and everyone is free to do his own thing19:12
Kilosits like trying to get a pack of untrained dogw to pull a sled19:13
Kilosdogs19:13
Kilosor even untrained oxen to pull a plow19:14
inetproKilos: ek praat19:14
inetpromaar waaroor?19:14
inetprogood evening19:14
Kilosnaand inetpro hoe gaan dit19:14
inetprobaie goed en daar?19:15
inetprosorry that I'm late19:15
* inetpro was at lent service19:15
* inetpro now reading through the backlogs19:17
somaunn_Kilos: to be free doesn't mean the Chaos must reign19:18
Kilosanper wonderlik19:18
Kilosamper ook19:18
Kilosdie modem is vinnig19:18
Kiloslol elke keer wat ek nog iets probeer het het ek telkom laat weet dit en dit doen dat19:18
Kilosen hulle het gese dankie 19:18
Kilosnou met die twee modems antwoord hulle nie19:18
Kilosnp inetpro 19:18
Kilosyou here now19:18
Kilossjoe19:18
somaunn_Linux is doing better and even more than what we hope 19:18
Kilosi agree somaunn_ but it peeps are rahter a different breed19:18
somaunn_but i think it's time to come with more order and even well organized stuffs19:18
Kilosyou try getting 2 million peeps to pull together19:19
inetprosomaunn_: what do you suggest we do?19:20
somaunn_Kilos: possible ... very possible ... look what governement are doing all arround the world 19:20
Kilosthats going into politics but all govts are controlled19:21
Golynxdidn't Mark Shuttleworth try to bring order to linux with Unity or even Ubuntu 19:21
KilosGolynx remember when you strated here how hardegat you were19:22
inetprosomaunn_: do you work for government?19:22
Kilosmost it peeps are like that19:22
GolynxKilos lol yeah :p19:22
Kilosyou  lucky i have mellowed with age19:22
Golynxfor me it was hard to switch from windows, but now i'm comfortable with linux. 19:23
GolynxWindows not even on my brain anymore lol19:23
Kilosi had the same prob with my daughter19:23
Kilosnow she has no choice but to use windows for her work but now she loves ubuntu19:24
Kilosand see how you have mellowed19:24
Kilosold saying "lead by example"19:25
Kilosthe fly is a pro at that19:25
Golynxhehe ya true19:25
inetproKilos: oh wow, is your daughter now back on Ubuntu again?19:26
Kilosshe has it still on her old pc but the one that was donated for her art stuff and the tablet drawing thing is windows19:27
Kilosif she hadda bought a wacom tablet before going ubuntu she would still be using ubuntu19:27
superflyI dual-booted for a while. then some error cropped up in Windows with my sound (worked perfectly in Linux, so it wasn't my hardware) and I stopped booting into Windows. 6 months later I removed my windows partition because it was just taking up space19:29
inetprosomaunn_: there are some very good examples of government OSS initiatives out there indeed19:29
Kilossomaunn_ where you went??19:33
somaunn_an international conference where all LINUX dev will sit together and work with others to bring such solide and reliable solutions19:44
somaunn_inetpro: no i don't but i'm close to those peoples from few countries in africa (not really an example) but still it's the same concept19:45
somaunn_Kilos: i'm here19:45
somaunn_busy fixing few stuffs19:45
somaunn_my ubuntu install just causing problem19:45
Kilosah thought you went to sleep19:45
somaunn_look like the DVD is scac19:45
Kilosoh my19:45
Kilosusb usbs for installing19:46
Kilosuse19:46
Kilosget unetbootin and make bootable usb sticks for ubuntu19:46
somaunn_inetpro: these gov OSS are just a pretext for those folks to 1st drop their cost down (good thing if they redistribute to populations) 2nd to also try and control the majority by using the same tools 19:47
somaunn_what the minority really like is to control the majority19:48
somaunn_and we are the majority19:48
GolynxBill Gates is probably spreading the "Windows way" while spraying his cash all over Africa19:48
somaunn_africa is the last block that MS want to control19:50
liamTKilos: nope not a bot19:51
Kiloslol cool wb19:51
Kilosweve had a run of bots here19:52
Kilosinetpro did you see last bot was klined19:52
Kilossommer gou ook19:52
inetprono19:53
Kilos[20:29] <-- bereavement has left this server (K-Lined).19:53
Kilosmaybe freenode is also watching them now19:53
Golynxthey talked about the bot problem in ##freenode last week19:54
Golynxso your right Kilos19:54
Kilosyay19:55
Golynx:)19:56
* Kilos falling asleep here20:00
Kilosnight ll. sleep tight20:00
Kilossee ya tomorrow20:00
Kilosnight all as well20:00
somaunn_bye bye20:04

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