[05:18]  * Squirm looks around
[05:37] <bduk> More almal
[05:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:15] <Spekko> Maaz: Coffee on
[06:15]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:15] <Spekko> morning all
[06:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Spekko!
[06:19] <Spekko> Maaz domo arigato
[06:19] <Maaz> do- itashi mashite Spekko san
[06:26] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[06:26]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:26] <Squirm> Maaz: massive
[06:26] <Maaz> Squirm: What?
[06:26] <Squirm> Maaz: largest
[06:26] <Maaz> Whew do you want a bath full Squirm?
[06:26] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[06:26] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[06:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[06:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:05] <jabberwocky93> morning inetpro
[07:29] <nlsthzn> alo
[09:13] <Vince-0> !
[09:40] <somaunn_> hello guys
[09:40] <somaunn_> hi nuvolari
[09:40] <somaunn_> hi drubin
[09:40] <somaunn_> hi inetpro
[09:40] <somaunn_> hi superfly
[09:48] <superfly> hi somaunn_
[09:51] <somaunn_> what's new here
[10:03] <sakhi> hi somaunn_ 
[10:04] <somaunn_> Hi sakhi
[10:05] <somaunn_> what's new here ?
[10:16] <Vince-0> surp
[10:16] <Vince-0> same dizl
[10:34] <Kilos> greetings superfly somaunn_ jabberwocky93 Spekko ThatGraemeGuy Vince-0 and others toooo
[10:34] <Kilos> being unorthodox helps at times
[10:34] <Spekko> Sup Kilos
[10:34] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[10:35] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[10:35]  * Squirm pops his head in
[10:35] <Kilos> my d-link is working, but in a roundabout way
[10:35] <Kilos> hi squirm
[10:35] <Kilos> inetpro you wont believe
[10:36] <inetpro> oh and hi Squirm, somaunn_ 
[10:36] <Kilos> i know whats wrong with the DWM-156 but dunno how to fix it
[10:36] <inetpro> Kilos: tell us
[10:36] <Kilos> but i have it online
[10:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi
[10:36] <Kilos> it isnt triggering usb-modeswitch
[10:36] <inetpro> Kilos: tell the world
[10:36] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: hi
[10:37] <Kilos> so the unorthodox way around that prov is to use another modem as well that triggers modeswitch and then the d-link goes online
[10:37] <Kilos> s/prov/prob
[10:38] <jabberwocky93> good afternoon Kilos
[10:38] <Kilos> do you use this link with 8ta for balances and recharging?
[10:38] <Kilos> https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=7163386960404486479
[10:39] <Kilos> that link shows my d-links info only even though nm sees zte and dlink as being online
[10:40] <Kilos> does all of this make sense to you guys
[10:40] <Squirm> Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't put humpty together again
[10:41] <Kilos> Squirm ?
[10:41] <Kilos> am i gonna crash?
[10:42] <Squirm> I don't know
[10:42] <Squirm> I think I need to go to sleep
[10:42] <Squirm> I was playing with espeak
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:42] <Squirm> I'm too tired for this
[10:42] <Squirm> work, I mean
[10:42] <Squirm> actually I'm not too bad, just in a really good mood
[10:43] <Squirm> the joys of sleep deprivation ^^
[10:43] <Kilos> hehe then work out what i do next man
[10:45] <inetpro> sorry kilos, very difficult to help during working hours but maybe someone else can try
[10:46] <Kilos> no man i dont need help
[10:46] <Kilos> its online
[10:47] <Kilos> inetpro just tell me if using one modem with no data on to trigger modeswitch to use the second modems data is crazy or not
[10:47] <somaunn_> hi Kilos
[10:47] <Kilos> now i can tell the telkom device section that their 156 dont trigger modeswitch
[10:48] <Kilos> i dont know if trigger is the right word
[10:48] <Kilos> then ill tell the world how to fix things
[10:56] <Kilos> inetpro vandag se reen kom van natal
[10:57] <Spekko> http://www.php.net/manual/en/security.magicquotes.what.php
[10:57] <Spekko> oops
[10:57] <Spekko> my bad
[11:00] <Kilos> hehe
[11:00] <Kilos> btw we had no power since 8am and i hope its not just on while the power peeps are having lunch
[11:01] <somaunn_> bye bye all
[11:01] <somaunn_> coming in few hours
[11:10] <charl> good afternoon
[11:10] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:10]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:11] <charl> Spekko: really good to see they deprecated and later removed that feature - it was long overdue
[11:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:17] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:17] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[11:26] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:28] <Spekko> charl, yeah agreed, but I'm running 5.4, and my content is still being escaped. Starting to think someone is mucking around in the DB Class.
[11:36] <inetpro> Kilos: when I say help I also mean to include respond
[11:38] <Kilos> ok
[11:48]  * Kilos in dog box again
[11:56] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:56] <charl> Spekko: you can disable it, can't you?
[12:07] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[12:08] <nlsthzn> alo
[13:16] <Kilos> what does dmesg do
[13:29] <inetpro> man dmesg
[13:30] <inetpro> it explains it very clearly
[13:31] <inetpro> ok maybe not so clearly as the FreeBSD man page but you should get a good idea
[13:32] <inetpro> Kilos: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmesg
[13:33] <Kilos> ty
[13:43] <Squirm> 45min
[15:43] <Kilos> eish how does one get cutecom to see usb modems
[15:44] <Kilos> mine shows /dev/ttyS1 to 4 and nothing else and they all cant open modems
[17:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:32] <Golynx> o/
[17:33] <Kilos> o/
[17:34] <Golynx> \o/
[17:34] <Golynx> how you doing uncle Kilos
[17:35] <Kilos> very good ty and you Golynx 
[17:35] <Kilos> d-link working inna manner
[17:36] <Trixar_za> How did you get it to work?
[17:36] <Kilos> lekker fast
[17:36] <Golynx> i'm okay ty
[17:36] <Kilos> using 2 modems
[17:36] <Kilos> one with no data to trigger modeswitch and the new one to do the work
[17:37] <Trixar_za> That shouldn't work Oo
[17:37] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <Trixar_za> As I understand it - the modem is already switched when it's plugged in on linux - it just doesn't have ports assigned
[17:38] <Trixar_za> or something like that
[17:38] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:39] <Kilos> nm doesnt even see it is there
[17:39] <Kilos> but with the zte and the dlink it works
[17:39] <Trixar_za> Weird
[17:39] <Trixar_za> I have a ZTE one too
[17:39] <Kilos> nm shows 2 connections
[17:40] <Trixar_za> an old K3570-Z
[17:40] <Kilos> i still cant get sakis3g working though
[17:40] <Trixar_za> So I haven't tested sakis3g with too many of them
[17:40] <Trixar_za> My sister has one of the new d-link ones
[17:40] <Kilos> and got latest ppa for nm and modeswitch
[17:41] <Kilos> my zte is a mf190 but it keeps disconnecting when it feels like it
[17:41] <Trixar_za> There might be a fix for it in the latest usb_modeswitch
[17:41] <Trixar_za> what is the version number of the dlink again
[17:41] <Trixar_za> so when I'm back on Linux I can check
[17:41] <Kilos> if i unplug the zte connection dies
[17:41] <Kilos> dwm-156 version 7
[17:42] <Kilos> sakis tell me i need libusb and or usb-compact
[17:43] <Kilos> i have lotsa lib-usb and usb-dev but still sakis dont work
[17:43] <Trixar_za> The older usb_modeswitch needs the older libusb
[17:43] <Trixar_za> Like I said, I have to upgrade it
[17:43] <Trixar_za> And the device database while I'm at it
[17:43] <Kilos> oh its not here
[17:44] <Trixar_za> I can only imagine how many extra ones they add
[17:44] <Trixar_za> added*
[17:44] <Kilos> i thought you said i must get the latest modeswitch so i got the ppa
[17:44] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <Trixar_za> Technically sakis3g should be able to use the system usb_modeswitch, but since it's not compatible with the new database format
[17:45] <Trixar_za> ... it can't really do anything
[17:46] <Kilos> can it be because ive gone 64bit?
[17:46] <Trixar_za> Unlikely
[17:47] <Trixar_za> Sakis3g just can't read the new device database and use it
[17:47] <Trixar_za> That's the biggest problem
[17:47] <Kilos> anyway using 2 modems ive been connected all afternoon since about lunch time
[17:47] <Trixar_za> It's also why I make my own custom one using the old file syntax
[17:47] <Kilos> you got some savvy with modems
[17:47] <Trixar_za> You should test the newest sakis3g when I finally make it
[17:48] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:48] <Kilos> what can be missing in the dlink that lets the pc see it needs to modeswitch
[17:48] <Trixar_za> Kind of getting impatient, so I might just install something like Debian so I can fix it
[17:49] <Kilos> its like its boot sector is missing
[17:50] <Kilos> lemme know when you have done with new sakis and ill test it
[17:50] <Trixar_za> Let me see about downloading a install disc :P
[17:54] <Trixar_za> Well that's ironic
[17:54] <Trixar_za> Debian XFCE's iso is smaller than Debian LXDE's iso
[17:55] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:55] <nlsthzn> good evening ZA channel and uncle Kilos 
[17:55] <Kilos> hehe
[17:55] <Trixar_za> Anyway, bbl - going to go download thing thing quick :P
[17:56] <Trixar_za> this*
[17:56] <Kilos> ok
[17:57] <nlsthzn> can't believe after four days of hopping hell I ended up using Ubuntu Gnome Edition 14.04 :p
[18:00] <Kilos> why cant you believe it
[18:01]  * jabberwocky93 slaps spekko__ with a large trout
[18:02]  * jabberwocky93 can't wait for stable weston on his raspberry pi!
[18:02] <jabberwocky93> using omx player just isn't fun
[18:04] <nlsthzn> because I am running Gnome 3 on purpose :p
[18:04] <nlsthzn> just heads up - http://youtu.be/Gi9CXi1fBw8 - I have a few beta keys so if someone is really interested in trying out a new moba...
[18:04]  * Golynx wonder if Debian XFCE is better than Ubuntu Xfce
[18:04] <Trixar_za> Right - should be an hour download
[18:04] <nlsthzn> doubt it Golynx 
[18:05] <Trixar_za> <--- back on 3G
[18:05] <Golynx> nlsthzn does the later have too much added on
[18:05] <Trixar_za> nlsthzn: I have my own tastes
[18:06] <Trixar_za> I like XFCE, but I hate it's parts (same with LXDE actually)
[18:06] <Trixar_za> So I just use my own favorites like VLC, Deadbeef and gnome-mplayer
[18:06] <nlsthzn> I think Xubuntu has a sane mix of applications... 
[18:07] <nlsthzn> and just that little bit of polish and preconfiguration making it awesome
[18:08] <Trixar_za> My Windows and Linux settings should also be interchangeable
[18:08] <Golynx> nlsthzn yeah sounds good
[18:08] <nlsthzn> was playing with xubuntu 14.04 yesterday... they do multi-monitor support really well
[18:09] <nlsthzn> or at least xfce 4.10 does :[
[18:09] <nlsthzn> :p
[18:09] <Golynx> but a bit of gnome added in wont hurt
[18:09] <Trixar_za> I've made an effort to use multi-platform software like Hexchat and Claws-mail
[18:09] <Trixar_za> I'm just waiting for rubuntu
[18:09] <Trixar_za> As in razorQt Ubuntu
[18:09] <Trixar_za> :P
[18:10] <nlsthzn> well... it is just an apt-get away ;)
[18:10] <Trixar_za> True... :P
[18:12] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[18:12] <Kilos> nlsthzn is 14.04 unity worse than 12.04
[18:13] <Kilos> i like unity if i hasnt got all the eye candy in
[18:14] <nlsthzn> new unity much much faster
[18:14] <nlsthzn> since 13.10 much better
[18:14] <psydroid> hi Kilos 
[18:15] <psydroid> hi nlsthzn 
[18:15] <psydroid> hi Trixar_za 
[18:15] <nlsthzn> hey psydroid 
[18:15]  * psydroid is waiting for 14.04 to be released before he upgrades
[18:15] <nlsthzn> I have now run Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Gnome edition 14.04 :p
[18:16] <nlsthzn> with the new automated testing breakage is almost non existant
[18:17] <psydroid> :D
[18:17] <psydroid> that's awesome
[18:18] <psydroid> and much needed as well
[18:18] <nlsthzn> still a rough edge or two as you can imagine
[18:18] <nlsthzn> unity didn't get much attention... still unity 7, some new scopes ...
[18:22] <nlsthzn> night all :)
[18:22] <Trixar_za> Night nlsthzn
[18:22] <Kilos> night nlsthzn 
[18:22] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:24] <Kilos> bot time again
[18:24] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[18:24] <Kilos> hi bereavement 
[18:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:26] <psydroid> night nlsthzn 
[18:29] <Golynx> :O
[18:29] <psydroid> hi Golynx 
[18:29] <psydroid> bye bereavement
[18:29] <Golynx> hi psydroid
[18:30] <psydroid> forever ...
[18:30] <Golynx> lol
[18:31] <Kilos> ya good
[18:31] <Kilos> that was done by freenode hey
[18:32] <Kilos> just got a mail from sourceforge resources that talks about the bot threat
[18:33] <Kilos> Some of the most serious threats networks face today are "bots," 
[18:34] <Golynx> ya, and "AI" gets better everyday
[18:34] <Golynx> smart bots is not good, in the wrong hands
[18:34] <Kilos> had another one about nsa jacking bots and using them to spy
[18:35] <Trixar_za> You know
[18:35] <Trixar_za> I just realized that Liam backwards is mail
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> so liamT  is tmail
[18:36] <Trixar_za> That's how I noticed it
[18:36] <Kilos> but he chats here sometimes
[18:36] <Trixar_za> lol
[18:36] <Trixar_za> It's more fun if it was LiamG
[18:36] <Kilos> liamT you not a bot hey?
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> i dont like peeps craqshing freenode
[18:37] <Kilos> wish they could auto kline them on entry
[18:37] <Kilos> this was the 9th one in a week and a bit here
[18:38] <Trixar_za> I wouldn't worry if it was just one or two at a time
[18:38] <Kilos> they planning another big ddos i think
[18:38] <Trixar_za> It's when you get a flood of like 10 or more that you should be worried about line or part flooding
[18:38] <Kilos> they mustnt even be allowed to enter
[18:38] <Trixar_za> Anyway - bbl - going to install now
[18:38] <Kilos> ok
[18:38] <Trixar_za> and if I don't see you - goodnight :P
[18:39] <Kilos> enjoy and ty Trixar_za 
[18:39]  * Trixar_za downloads his own sakis3g just in case
[18:39] <Kilos> hehe
[18:39] <Kilos> where is the package
[18:39] <Kilos> i like the just in case
[18:39] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:40] <Kilos> wb psydroid_ 
[18:41] <psydroid_> ty Kilos 
[18:42] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:44] <Kilos> inetpro praat gou voor jy te moeg is
[18:54] <psydroid_> hi superfly 
[18:55] <superfly> hi
[18:55] <Golynx> hey superfly
[18:58] <Golynx> superfly did you use flask with apache or nginx
[18:59] <superfly> Golynx: it depends
[18:59] <superfly> Golynx: at CareerJunction they use Apache with mod_wsgi, it's probably the most technically mature solution
[19:00] <superfly> I've used Flask with nginx and Phusion Passenger
[19:01] <Golynx> i used a old mod_wsgi file i had already but gave out errors. So i just installed a new one
[19:01] <Golynx> ah thanks , i will use apache then
[19:04] <somaunn_> Hi all
[19:04] <somaunn_> hi Kilos
[19:04] <Kilos> wb somaunn_ 
[19:04] <somaunn_> thanks Kilos
[19:04] <somaunn_> guess what ?
[19:05] <Kilos> what?
[19:05] <somaunn_> i'm installing Ubuntu on my close friend Laptop
[19:06] <somaunn_> she gave up with Windows today
[19:06] <somaunn_> too much of nonsens she said
[19:06] <Golynx> \o/
[19:06] <jabberwocky93> it will be fun they said
[19:06] <Golynx> hi somaunn_
[19:06] <somaunn_> the install process is quite good now but still i found it a bit slow
[19:06] <somaunn_> hi Golynx
[19:08] <somaunn_> i found it more friendly than 12.10 (where i actually stop using ubuntu)
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <Kilos> sooner or later everyone will be sick up and fed with windows
[19:10] <somaunn_> yeah you right
[19:10] <Kilos> just taking a long time
[19:10] <somaunn_> but still there is a need for us to brign with sort of order in the linux world
[19:11] <Kilos> but everyone that gets converted converts a couple more once they understand ubuntu
[19:12] <Kilos> i dont think one can do much about order in the linux world because there are too many systems and everyone is free to do his own thing
[19:13] <Kilos> its like trying to get a pack of untrained dogw to pull a sled
[19:13] <Kilos> dogs
[19:14] <Kilos> or even untrained oxen to pull a plow
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: ek praat
[19:14] <inetpro> maar waaroor?
[19:14] <inetpro> good evening
[19:14] <Kilos> naand inetpro hoe gaan dit
[19:15] <inetpro> baie goed en daar?
[19:15] <inetpro> sorry that I'm late
[19:15]  * inetpro was at lent service
[19:17]  * inetpro now reading through the backlogs
[19:18] <somaunn_> Kilos: to be free doesn't mean the Chaos must reign
[19:18] <Kilos> anper wonderlik
[19:18] <Kilos> amper ook
[19:18] <Kilos> die modem is vinnig
[19:18] <Kilos> lol elke keer wat ek nog iets probeer het het ek telkom laat weet dit en dit doen dat
[19:18] <Kilos> en hulle het gese dankie 
[19:18] <Kilos> nou met die twee modems antwoord hulle nie
[19:18] <Kilos> np inetpro 
[19:18] <Kilos> you here now
[19:18] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:18] <somaunn_> Linux is doing better and even more than what we hope 
[19:18] <Kilos> i agree somaunn_ but it peeps are rahter a different breed
[19:18] <somaunn_> but i think it's time to come with more order and even well organized stuffs
[19:19] <Kilos> you try getting 2 million peeps to pull together
[19:20] <inetpro> somaunn_: what do you suggest we do?
[19:20] <somaunn_> Kilos: possible ... very possible ... look what governement are doing all arround the world 
[19:21] <Kilos> thats going into politics but all govts are controlled
[19:21] <Golynx> didn't Mark Shuttleworth try to bring order to linux with Unity or even Ubuntu 
[19:22] <Kilos> Golynx remember when you strated here how hardegat you were
[19:22] <inetpro> somaunn_: do you work for government?
[19:22] <Kilos> most it peeps are like that
[19:22] <Golynx> Kilos lol yeah :p
[19:22] <Kilos> you  lucky i have mellowed with age
[19:23] <Golynx> for me it was hard to switch from windows, but now i'm comfortable with linux. 
[19:23] <Golynx> Windows not even on my brain anymore lol
[19:23] <Kilos> i had the same prob with my daughter
[19:24] <Kilos> now she has no choice but to use windows for her work but now she loves ubuntu
[19:24] <Kilos> and see how you have mellowed
[19:25] <Kilos> old saying "lead by example"
[19:25] <Kilos> the fly is a pro at that
[19:25] <Golynx> hehe ya true
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: oh wow, is your daughter now back on Ubuntu again?
[19:27] <Kilos> she has it still on her old pc but the one that was donated for her art stuff and the tablet drawing thing is windows
[19:27] <Kilos> if she hadda bought a wacom tablet before going ubuntu she would still be using ubuntu
[19:29] <superfly> I dual-booted for a while. then some error cropped up in Windows with my sound (worked perfectly in Linux, so it wasn't my hardware) and I stopped booting into Windows. 6 months later I removed my windows partition because it was just taking up space
[19:29] <inetpro> somaunn_: there are some very good examples of government OSS initiatives out there indeed
[19:33] <Kilos> somaunn_ where you went??
[19:44] <somaunn_> an international conference where all LINUX dev will sit together and work with others to bring such solide and reliable solutions
[19:45] <somaunn_> inetpro: no i don't but i'm close to those peoples from few countries in africa (not really an example) but still it's the same concept
[19:45] <somaunn_> Kilos: i'm here
[19:45] <somaunn_> busy fixing few stuffs
[19:45] <somaunn_> my ubuntu install just causing problem
[19:45] <Kilos> ah thought you went to sleep
[19:45] <somaunn_> look like the DVD is scac
[19:45] <Kilos> oh my
[19:46] <Kilos> usb usbs for installing
[19:46] <Kilos> use
[19:46] <Kilos> get unetbootin and make bootable usb sticks for ubuntu
[19:47] <somaunn_> inetpro: these gov OSS are just a pretext for those folks to 1st drop their cost down (good thing if they redistribute to populations) 2nd to also try and control the majority by using the same tools 
[19:48] <somaunn_> what the minority really like is to control the majority
[19:48] <somaunn_> and we are the majority
[19:48] <Golynx> Bill Gates is probably spreading the "Windows way" while spraying his cash all over Africa
[19:50] <somaunn_> africa is the last block that MS want to control
[19:51] <liamT> Kilos: nope not a bot
[19:51] <Kilos> lol cool wb
[19:52] <Kilos> weve had a run of bots here
[19:52] <Kilos> inetpro did you see last bot was klined
[19:52] <Kilos> sommer gou ook
[19:53] <inetpro> no
[19:53] <Kilos> [20:29] <-- bereavement has left this server (K-Lined).
[19:53] <Kilos> maybe freenode is also watching them now
[19:54] <Golynx> they talked about the bot problem in ##freenode last week
[19:54] <Golynx> so your right Kilos
[19:55] <Kilos> yay
[19:56] <Golynx> :)
[20:00]  * Kilos falling asleep here
[20:00] <Kilos> night ll. sleep tight
[20:00] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow
[20:00] <Kilos> night all as well
[20:04] <somaunn_> bye bye