[00:00] because people might install light-locker on non xubuntu systems [00:05] I would like to revert the "invalid" status, just not sure what your thoughts are [00:07] personally i'm not sure whether people really *need* the UI [00:07] the settings are actually quite simple [00:07] and anyway, that would be up to the ubuntu packagers who maintain light-locker [00:08] so it's "whishlist" [00:08] i don't see any trouble in adding it as a recommend [00:08] so if you want, re-assign it to light-locker as wishlist and comment on why you do it [00:09] because of the initial bug description :D [00:27] ochosi: can you please remove light-locker-settings from the Affects list [00:38] bluesabre: do you consider to fix bug 1280607 for trusty? [00:38] bug 1280607 in Catfish "Case insensitive search for non english file names doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280607 [00:38] or are there some drawbacks when you switch to python3? [00:39] brainwash: a lack of python3-zeitgeist [00:39] but thats not a necessary item [00:39] so I am going to discuss that with Noskcaj [00:39] no one likes zeitgeist anyway :) [00:40] but maybe the problem could be fixed in python2 [00:41] maybe, just need some investigation [00:41] yeah, worth a try [01:11] lderan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1291699 [01:11] Launchpad bug 1291699 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "Please add python-psutil to Depends for light-locker-settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:40] knome, pushed the MP with screensaver removed from chapters 11 & 12. That latest MP includes the changes in my earlier one... [01:41] so if they look good, I guess you only have to merge the latter one. [01:42] slickymaster, I think all that's left to do is fix the settings manager references in the following chapters: [01:42] 2, 7, 8, 9 & 13 [01:47] slickymaster, chapter 7 has an 'ndisgtk' entity for which I haven't yet created the 'wm-' counterpart. [01:48] slickymaster, so if you get around to doing that chapter, you will have to create that entity. [01:50] knome, all those ^^ changes should only be adding icons and shouldn't affect translations - unless I've overlooked something. [01:53] i'll do a test build [01:53] the entities file messed up some of the translations earlier, but that's now fixed [01:53] jjfrv8: See my ping? [01:53] was something easy to overlook, inheriting in multiple levels [01:59] Unit193, yes, thanks for the offer. I haven't been running makes on the final versions before I push, though. [02:22] jjfrv8: That'll be in the next proposal anyway, so some testing there might be good. [02:23] ok, will check it out. [02:34] hrm, sorry I miseed the meeting [02:39] hey micahg, are you terribly busy? [02:40] I've created the package for shimmer-themes-1.7.1 [02:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1291739 [02:40] Launchpad bug 1291739 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] shimmer-themes-1.7.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:40] I don't suppose you could upload it? [02:43] I think I have to reproduce that one to upload since it needs the orig tarballs [02:44] hrm, that's an interesting branch [02:45] bluesabre: is there somewhere I can verify the tarballs? [02:47] bluesabre: I just attached everything to the bug with those type of things. Sometimes they'll work if you can uscan the orig. [02:48] micahg: what do you mean? [02:48] this package has always been complicated, I had to do the same with shimmer-themes-1.6.2 [02:49] bluesabre: are the tarballs tagged somewhere like git? [02:49] Oooh, there was a way to work with multi-origs, if I could just remember how... [02:49] oh yes, https://github.com/shimmerproject [02:49] each tarball is based on the latest download [02:50] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases [02:50] ok, great [02:50] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Albatross/releases [02:50] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Bluebird/releases [02:50] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Numix/releases [02:50] https://github.com/shimmerproject/Orion/releases [02:51] the wallpapers one is carried from 1.7.0 [02:52] create-empty-orig, that's the one. [02:52] yeah, that's what we've got there [02:52] and from the last time I had to do this, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1227402 [02:52] Launchpad bug 1227402 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Please update shimmer-themes to 1.6.2" [Undecided,Fix released] [02:53] I'll work at getting developer/upload rights before 14.10 :) [02:53] well, to prevent issues of mismatched tarballs, I have to verify the signatures against the originals [02:54] s/signatures/hashes/ [02:54] makes sense [03:12] actually, let me do this in the morning, I need to be up early anyways [03:14] Good rest, micahg. [03:15] thanks micahg, have a good night [06:17] once again it's my patch pilot turn and there'a bunch of Xubuntu stuff here :) [06:18] I didn't do it this time! [06:18] \o. [06:18] Mirv: Anything I can assist with, sir? [06:26] at the rate pitti is doing what I believed to be preparing, no :) [06:27] Unit193: maybe tell if you've checked throuh lp:~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-artwork/shimmer-themes-1.7.1 ? I'll be building and smoke-testing it, but I'm unfamiliar with it otherwise [06:27] thunar and xfce4-places-plugin seem clear enough, I'll try to test the claimed fix somehow too [06:32] Mirv: I am not, but could glance at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/13/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t02:43 for a little background. [06:33] Wow, that's an amazingly small queue. [06:40] Unit193: thanks for the background link, that should be enough [06:41] Great! (Mica may not have time, he's been under time constraints at work all this cycle.) [07:01] ok, the tarballs match bit for bit the git upstream sources, check. [07:04] * Unit193 slips something else in. :P [07:36] ochosi: I posted in the testing forum re the keyboard thing - try and get more eyes on it [07:37] elfy: See the short note about ibus and your issue? [07:37] yea fleetingly [07:38] which is great - but if it is ibus causing it - then that needs fixing [07:43] Good to find out first, though. [07:44] no idea how we could do that [07:50] elfy: purge it [07:51] yes - but ... [07:51] will the damage have already been caused [07:51] and you could purge the world and still be left with US layout [07:51] conspiracy theorists ... [07:52] well, it's ibus.. you know, ipad, itunes,... [07:52] so it has to be bad :D [07:53] didn't think of that iHype side to it :p [07:55] Hah. :P [08:09] purging ihype works [08:09] I should have guessed at this poor attempt at world domination [08:11] not sure how to change what package the bug should be against [08:12] ibus? [08:12] too early [08:12] what I meant was - I can't change the package that the bug is filed against :p [08:13] which package is it? [08:13] at the moment console-setup [08:14] mmh, isn't that used primary for the console.. [08:15] couldn't tell you - I asked people at the time - best guess was that [08:15] does your keyboard layout problem also affect the login greeter? [08:16] no [08:17] so - how to change the package? or is it because I'm not in some lp group that I can't [08:18] or simply add ibus to the list [08:18] which I don't know how to do [08:18] first time lp user? :D [08:18] you know what - sod it [08:18] bbl [08:18] can you please link the report, so I can read it [09:24] brainwash_: it's this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1284635 [09:24] Launchpad bug 1284635 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Incomplete] [09:25] yay, we really got a lot of stuff sponsored, we seem to be doing ok for UIF [09:50] yup, it's been moving pretty smoothly here lately :) [09:51] micahg, looks like you're off the hook :) [10:04] oh snap, greeter screen remained visible for some additional seconds after login.. now I got 2 window entries in my windowlist [10:10] ^ ochosi [10:11] brainwash_, I think the release I am working on should fix that, no? [10:16] well, I thought that it was caused by the indicator stack not exiting properly [10:17] checking logs now, noticed that lightdm runs this command: lightdm-unity8-session startxfce4 [10:17] oh, that might be a fancy new regression [10:18] and unity-compositor is running too [10:18] o.o [10:19] I don't recall switching to mir/xmir [10:20] so it's xmir, on top of that the indicator stuff did not terminate properly [10:20] what a mess [10:37] bluesabre: so we maybe need to re-assign bug 1290575 [10:37] bug 1290575 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "lightdm-gtk-greeter does not exit cleanly when logging in" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290575 [10:37] d'awwww I just marked it as fixed [10:37] rebooted my system and now everything looks fine [10:38] partially fixed :) [10:39] the greeter is not the main target now (hopefully) [10:39] gppd [10:39] good [10:39] haha, fun [10:42] no way.. I did not even notice that xmir is now activated on my system [10:43] but it may be unrelated and there is something wrong in lightdm itself [10:44] ochosi: do you have xmir activated? [10:44] nope, i can't imagine [10:44] because you've also confirmed this problem with the 2 empty windows [10:45] yeah, but i don't have xmir installed [10:45] so how would i have it activated [10:45] but yeah, it does seem like a lightdm regression [10:45] nice [10:46] finding the culprit is not that easy in this case :) [10:50] anyhoo, please report your findings on the bugreport and then let's ask robert about it [11:19] forestpiskie, commented on bug 1277154 [11:19] bug 1277154 in xfce4-notes-plugin (Ubuntu) "Ctrl+W does not ask for confirmation on note delete" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1277154 [11:21] maybe we could drop bug 1271883 from the blueprint list [11:21] bug 1271883 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Workspace Settings number keys do not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271883 [11:22] bug 1271979 too [11:22] bug 1271979 in xfce4-sensors-plugin (Ubuntu) "Wrong color in xfce4-sensors panel bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271979 [11:22] yeah, that's minor stuff and upstream needs to decide [11:23] bug 1271883 would be nice to get fixed though [11:23] bug 1271883 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Workspace Settings number keys do not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271883 [11:24] it's minor too, but it's still... annoying [11:24] it has been always like this [11:24] does it mean it's not a bug? [11:25] I think it's not editable to prevent the user to add like 100 workspaces at once and crash the whole thing [11:25] maybe it should be a different kind of widget then [11:27] I don't expect any change [11:27] i don't expect either, but it's not an invalid bug either [11:27] no, more like "wishlist" :) [11:28] the context menu of xfdesktop also only allows the user to add/remove workspaces one by one [11:29] that's fine for 99.9% of all users [11:30] that's not the point [11:30] I know [11:30] the point is that if there is a widget that normally allows inserting numbers, people would expect it to allow it now [11:30] I mean that no one will complain about this bug [11:30] and if it doesn't... [11:31] it's not a deal breaker [11:31] no [12:00] Unit193: xmir is now enabled by default here, lightdm does not seems to respect the 10-unity-blabla.conf file [12:02] I've installed it manually ofc [12:03] and disabled it via the conf file long time ago [12:39] #type=unity no longer works? Hah, either bug or #ubuntu-mir [12:41] I noticed there was recently an update to move the unity conf file to a location from where it actually gets removed when the package gets removed [12:41] right, this one https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/trusty-changes/2014-March/011557.html [12:42] after install autoresize the system won't restart. Vm seems to freeze. Happens intermittently on i386 test. [12:42] brainwash_: ^ [12:44] Needs a better disable method, that way moving the file wouldn't matter. :/ (not that it'll likely happen again, but every upgrade in theory will override if it's not marked as a conffile.) [12:45] hey Unit193 [12:45] slickymasterWork: Howdy. [12:45] Mirv: Thanks for linking. [12:46] ah, thanks [12:46] (I only checked the mir package, not that one. >_>) [12:49] Uhh, it's not marked as a conffile, I'd purge it. [12:51] Mirv: Because it's in /usr/share, and not otherwise marked as a conffile, that means any changes to it are ignored as the file is "reset" with any updates, right? Or, is that any updates where the file is different? [12:51] (sorry for bugging.) [12:55] anybody who can explain thoroughly what you need to do in order to be able to translate our docs? [12:56] http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404DocCallTranslators [12:57] Unit193: your understanding is as good as mine, the conffiles always require some pondering :) maybe that particular conf file is thought to always remain constant [12:59] It's in the instructions for how to disable it, but perhaps. [13:00] Thanks. [13:34] knome: bug 1260341 is a high priority one, is this really appropriate? [13:34] bug 1260341 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Tapping lower-right corner of touchpad causes a right-click" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260341 [13:36] we can fix it easily in ubuntu, not sure what upstream thinks about it and how long it will take to get it approved [13:38] and it's not a regression or something like that [13:42] Hmmm, got xfdesktop crashed with SIGSEGV in xfce_desktop_refresh() on login last night. [13:45] Unit193: create a report [13:45] Could, but can't report to LP, PPA'd. [13:46] update your ppa [13:47] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=6583a1a632779e72ba6ecfa32a10f30980081876 [13:50] Dowh. [13:51] knome: yes - saw that [13:53] ok, thanks folks, see you again probably during my next patch pilot or so ;) [13:54] :) [13:54] Plan is to stick with .10 appfinder, right? [13:58] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-appfinder/commit/?id=8ef194e8fbf1652b27cf26c0a519c9be08631964 needless to say, this interests me. [14:23] Debugging. \o/ [14:23] brainwash_: Have a beginners guide to debugging, or anything else written on the subject. [15:10] bug 1260341 [15:10] bug 1260341 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Tapping lower-right corner of touchpad causes a right-click" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260341 [15:11] testing ristretto: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1600/results [15:12] several problems: do I file a bug for the testcase or for ristretto? [15:13] did you had a problem with the testcase? [15:14] well what fo you mean by "testcase". The instructions seem OK but there were many progblems with ristretto according to the instructions [15:14] I am here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug [15:15] then the bug should be on ristretto [15:15] looks like the place to list problems [15:16] if you find a typo on the testcase, or it makes a reference to something that you can't find, or makes no sense, then thats a testcase bug, if you find a bug in the program the testcase asked you to test, then the bug is in the program and should be reported accordingly [15:16] :) [15:16] schproodle: what GridCube was asking you is if you think the issue concerns the testcas per si or oth the problem is specific to ristretto [15:17] both, probably [15:17] Bug 1292025 [15:17] Error: Launchpad bug 1292025 could not be found [15:18] exactly, if the testcase says "click on the + icon" but the plus icon is not there, then the bug can be in either, now if the + icon is there and the program fails, then the bug is on the program [15:18] oh, status new [15:18] schproodle, you have to give it a time to process [15:19] yeah [15:19] gotta do both then eh [15:20] I will try to sort that. [15:22] OK 'Ubuntu Manual Tests" bug AND ristretto bug with ubuntu-bug [15:22] that it? [15:23] i would guess, remember to add those numbers to your report on the tracker [15:24] OK will do. Thanks :) [16:02] Bug #1292073 [16:02] bug 1292073 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "mouse wheel does not zoom image rather it goes back and forth through image list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292073 [16:03] Bug #1292073 [16:03] bug 1292073 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "ristretto: mouse wheel does not zoom image rather it goes back and forth through image list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292073 [16:42] schproodle: updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ristretto/+bug/1292073 [16:42] Launchpad bug 1292073 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "ristretto: mouse wheel does NOT zoom image rather it goes back and forth through image list" [Undecided,In progress] [16:45] elfy: ^^^ [16:53] slickymasterWork: see pm windows [16:54] windows 8 prime minister edition? [16:55] brainwash_: I see you're aware of which bug I was talking about [16:56] yes [16:59] so lets blame ibus? [16:59] Bug 1292070 [16:59] bug 1292070 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Ristretto online documentation does NOT start browser and display help" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292070 [17:00] where does this report belong as it is not a testcase problem per se [17:00] seems to involve several systems let alone ristretto [17:02] brainwash_: seems to be the case [17:03] purging ibus - then keyboard layout works fine without an mucking about with keyboard settings [17:03] bug 1291587 seems to be a similar case [17:03] bug 1291587 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Cant change keyboard layout in live mode xubuntu 14.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1291587 [17:04] ibus acting weird [17:04] yea I saw that one this morning - japanese one? [17:07] no [17:08] ok - sure I saw it - also saw a similar one but japanese [17:09] elfy: I'll have a MP for you to review, about what we were talking, by tomorrow [17:10] it'll be the weekend [17:10] thank god ;) [17:16] bbl -> [17:19] brainwash_: mmm - I'll boot todays daily and see if that's occuring - it definitely wasn't previously occuring [17:19] and I still have no idea how to change affected package in a bug [17:19] ;) [17:20] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/169356804/Screenshot%20-%2003132014%20-%2001%3A49%3A24%20PM.png [17:21] when I was fiddling about yesterday with that - I never actually saw the GB option - just the US one [17:27] so GB could not be added via "Add"? [17:27] not seeing that here [17:28] what about other variants of "en"? [17:28] brainwash_: no - you can add it fine via keyboard settings - and it works [17:28] but doesn't show in that ibus notification [17:29] so we need to discuss the pros and cons of ibus in xubuntu [17:29] and why it is enabled by default [17:30] I've just added GB and Belgian - neither show - looks like it's trying to [17:30] run "ibus-setup" [17:31] http://imagebin.org/299150 [17:31] see above the US - looks like an odd area of white above a seperator [17:31] but the settings dialog is from Xfce, the tray icon from ibus [17:31] both are not in sync [17:31] so please run "ibus-setup" [17:32] and do what? [17:32] try to add another kb layout [17:32] ok that works [17:33] but that's a side issue in my opinion - my issue is that I install xubuntu or the other 2 - and the system then completely ignores what I've set it to [17:34] I don't care what ibus says - I want my installed system to be how I installed it - as would anyone else :) [17:34] because ibus knows better and ignores the user [17:34] :) [17:35] this has got indicator-sound-gtk2 for saucy written all over it :( [17:36] so how do you change the package affecting a bug then? [17:36] so it needs be discussed in the next meeting [17:36] you click on the little arrow next to the package name [17:37] now you can edit the package name [17:37] I guess so - not sure what other languages it affects [17:38] I can't click on arrows - only the text [17:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635/+editstatus [17:39] Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout changes after login" [High,Confirmed] [17:39] yea - can see that [17:39] so the arrow is filtered in your browser? [17:39] filtered? [17:40] well, triangle pointing east [17:40] it's missing in your browser, or? [17:40] no triangle - I see for instance ibus>>Bugs>>blah [17:41] hover over the >> and nothing :) hover over ibus or Bugs and it's selectable [17:41] =S [17:41] no clue [17:42] http://imagebin.org/299153 http://imagebin.org/299154 [17:42] :) [17:43] not there [17:43] the yellow line [17:43] oooh [17:43] :D [17:43] I see that now lol [17:43] the little triangle [17:43] yep - ok got it :) [17:44] but I already changed it some minutes ago :P [17:44] yea I saw that :) [17:48] added it to the agenda [18:04] brainwash_: what I'm unsure of is whether we had ibus and everything was fine and then we got it in notification area [18:04] all I know is I remember it going wrong when it showed up :) [18:07] brainwash_, you at all familiar with ristretto? [18:09] bug 1270894 sounds like just a redraw in the sidebar might be good [18:09] bug 1270894 in ristretto (Ubuntu) "Sorting by date or name not working properly in thumbnail bar" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270894 [18:10] the bug is nasty because when you scroll after changing the sort more (== advance to next image), the next image is shown correctly in the main area, but the sidebar has a wrong image highlighted === TheDrums is now known as DalekSec [22:37] sergio-br2: hey! [22:37] hey! hello [22:38] saw you're working on some stuff again :) [22:38] yeah [22:38] a little :) [22:38] the file-roller icon is really not a prime concern of mine [22:38] but i think it's just too much work if the icon is going to be more or less the same [22:38] i talked to jimmac today about how they're maintaining the gnome-icon-theme [22:39] it's a really interesting system [22:39] they have all icons from one app in one file [22:39] and then a script cuts them apart and puts them in the right place [22:39] i think it'd be pretty neat, cause you always see the sizes next to each other [22:39] only problem is migrating there [22:39] is it possible do this with svg? or it's other type of file? [22:39] it's all svg [22:40] but i have to look into it a bit more before i can tell whether we can do it [22:40] inside a tar or like that? [22:40] ah, ok [22:40] interesting [22:40] it's one svg per icon-type [22:40] e.g. one svg for all sizes of web-browser.svg [22:42] and then the script chops them apart and puts them into the correct place as png [22:43] are they in github? [22:44] yeah [22:44] found it [22:44] also need to clone it [22:45] haven't had time yet [22:45] brainwash_, Unit193: is there an existing bug for xscreensaver still being installed in trusty? [22:47] bluesabre: bug 1291019 [22:47] bug 1291019 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "xflock4 still uses xscreensaver by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1291019 [22:47] 2 issues, 1 report [22:48] fair enough [22:48] suppose I can try to fix both at once [22:48] dowloaded it, very interesting ochosi [22:48] sergio-br2: yeah, i think it'd make maintenance a lot easier [22:48] but we have to see whether we can get a hold of the migration script [22:49] cause converting elementary-xfce to this format by hand would take ages... [22:49] time to make light-locker #1 :) [22:49] Eh. :/ [22:49] yeah [22:49] bluesabre: but calling light-locker-command also launches it, so I'm not sure if we should change the order [22:49] ^ [22:51] going to change it to light-locker-command, xscreensaver, gnome-screensaver [22:51] that should make it work more as expected, even with alternative environments [22:52] bluesabre: See above, please. [22:52] sergio-br2: I've uploaded a patched version of xfce4-settings to https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test [22:53] brainwash: what do you mean by that? [22:53] sergio-br2: it "should" fix bug 1260341 [22:53] bug 1260341 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Tapping lower-right corner of touchpad causes a right-click" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260341 [22:53] great [22:54] need help to test? [22:54] sergio-br2: please test, you might need to toggle tap to click once, so the new settings take effect [22:54] ok [22:55] is it in repo? [22:55] in my PPA [22:56] bluesabre: I meant that if you run light-locker-command, it will start the light-locker process and use it to lock the screen [22:57] does xscreensaver do the same? [22:57] ok... is that somehow a problem? [22:57] (i personally think it's desirable that it starts the process btw) [22:58] not sure, if it's a serious problem [22:59] xscreensaver-command -lock [22:59] xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display :0.0 [22:59] So, xscreensaver first. [22:59] xubuntu user A prefers xscreensaver and enabled the autostart launcher, but xflock4 will call light-locker [23:00] brainwash: Thanks for pointing this out, I was unaware ll did this. [23:01] so, clicking the "lock screen" button should do nothing if the daemon is, for some reason, not running? [23:02] I prefer gnome and light-locker's aggressive, "if somebody tells me to lock, I am going to do it" [23:02] yeah, i mean if ppl really wanna stick to xscreensaver they should uninstall light-locker anyway [23:03]