[00:04] <Mark_K> However, in the adb shell, I was able to use iwconfig on wlan0 to make it aware of that network, so now the GUI network manager is aware of it, and I appear to have successfully connected. Thanks!
[00:06] <Rickardsbeer> good evening everyone
[00:07] <Rickardsbeer> Anyone here have tested the ubuntu-touch on their galaxy S3 ? I would really like to follow the procedure but I wanna make sure it will work somewhat :P
[00:17] <mdeslaur> is there a web directory of click apps somewhere?
[00:19] <pmcgowan> mdeslaur, there is one in progress
[00:19] <mdeslaur> pmcgowan: ah, cool, thanks.
[01:05] <Mark_K> And now I'm having another problem. I can't seem to make Ubuntu SDK aware of my device. It is a 2013 Nexus 7 (with Ubuntu Touch installed), but when I run adb devices -l, it lists it as a Nexus 4. Perhaps for this reason, Qt Creator insists that there is no device connected.
[01:09] <pmcgowan> Mark_K, adb devices -l shows my manta as a mako so not sure
[01:10] <Mark_K> pmcgowan: Possibly unrelated, then. I'll keep looking.
[01:10] <pmcgowan> Mark_K, definitely not right though
[01:11] <pmcgowan> the flash tools detects it properly
[01:12] <sirv> hello. I am old user of ubuntu. But it is first time setting up ubuntu for touchscreen.  I have a NUC setup with a dell touchscreen
[01:13] <sirv> it works fine with single touch. But it does not function like  a touchpad. Where can I get some help? I hope here.
[01:14] <pmcgowan> Mark_K, qtc is detecting my device
[01:15] <pmcgowan> sirv, probably more on #ubuntu-devel but those devs may be offline now
[01:16] <pmcgowan> sirv, the touch support on trusty is a focus
[01:17] <Mark_K> pmcgowan: A possible complicating factor is that my device is connected over wifi but my desktop uses a wired connection. I was only able to access the device over ssh by using adb port forwarding, as described in the release notes.
[01:17] <pmcgowan> Mark_K, oh, you cannot connect via usb?
[01:18] <sirv> pmcgowan, thank you for the quick reply. I will contact them to see what they say. Is trusty stable yet? :)
[01:18] <Mark_K> pmcgowan: I can connect via USB via adb shell, or via ssh using adb port forwarding as described on the release notes page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Accessing_the_device_over_SSH
[01:18] <bregma> sirv, what kind of touchpad function are you expecting?
[01:19] <pmcgowan> sirv, touch is a work in progress, we try to keep the promoted images stable always
[01:19] <pmcgowan> Mark_K, qtc will work over the usb connection
[01:21] <Mark_K> pmcgowan: That's what I was hoping to accomplish, so I just need to find out why it isn't working in my case. Your assurance that what I want is possible is helpful, so thank you.
[01:21] <sirv> bregma, for now I just need the keyboard to pop up when I am in a text field. I would like to use multi-touch/gestures in the near / medium future
[01:22] <sirv> pmcgowan, I will give trusty a try. Will it detect that I have a touchscreen and install accordingly? If not, where can I get some help with touchscreen setup?
[01:23] <pmcgowan> sirv, that is the goal, ubuntu-devel unless bregma has another suggestion
[01:24] <pmcgowan> trusty desktop is quite stable, using it here
[01:24] <bregma> sirv, it's very likely the touchscreen will be detected automatically and you do not need to do anything
[01:26] <sirv> pmcgowan , thank you. I will give trusty a try and see how touchscreen works.
[01:27] <sirv> bregma, thank you. I assume you mean on trusty. on 13.10 it did not for me.
[01:28] <bregma> sirv if you have trouble under Trusty, ping me in #ubuntu-devel
[01:32] <sirv> bregma, will do. Thank you both for helping me out.
[01:37] <vthompson> I'm listening to some of the vUDS sessions and it sounds like Qt5.2 is supposed to land today... when do we expect this to land on the proposed images?
[01:38] <vthompson> I want to know if I should get the music-app's Qt5.2 bug fixed in the click store/images soon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1291398
[01:38] <pmcgowan> vthompson, its in process now
[01:39] <vthompson> pmcgowan, OK, that is sooner than I had assumed. I thought we'd wait for Qt5.2 tagged bugs to be resolved.
[01:39] <pmcgowan> vthompson, but I believe the tests are no longer failing?
[01:40] <pmcgowan> per leo
[01:40] <vthompson> pmcgowan, his comment was that with the MP the test no longer fails
[01:41] <pmcgowan> I see
[01:42] <vthompson> I'll approve the merge and get it pushed to the store. Those who run proposed will just have to update via the store, I suppose. The bug is larger than just the single test--a number of things in the app break
[01:43] <pmcgowan> vthompson, ok, a number of things have been fixed so we may need to retest the app
[01:44] <pmcgowan> vthompson, check with popey I'd say
[01:44] <vthompson> pmcgowan, fixed in Qt5.2?
[01:44] <pmcgowan> yes or elsewhere, not sure what issues you saw
[01:45] <vthompson> something cause a change in how a variable was converted to a string... probably not something that would be fixed. I'll apt-get update and verify
[01:45] <pmcgowan> vthompson, if there are other bugs we should log/tag then and we can resolve next couple of days
[01:47] <pmcgowan> vthompson, are you using u1db ? we just fixed an issue there
[01:48] <vthompson> pmcgowan, not yet, no. It was with a LocalStorage query that returned a null value.
[01:48] <pmcgowan> ok
[02:10] <Archonax098> Can anyone direct me to the appropriate img/zip files for a 2013 Nexus 7 WiFi?
[02:12] <Archonax098> I have not been able to locate a clearly defined set of files that are compatible with my tablet, and all other avenues of installation have failed me.
[02:14] <Mark_K> Archonax098: Do you mean these? https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[02:15] <Archonax098> No; my apologies, I was referring to the image files to flash an installation of Ubuntu Touch.
[02:16] <Archonax098> The only touch files I have found are for the 'grouper' build, which is the 1st gen nexus 7 (2012) with WiFi. I tried to install it anyway because I'm stubborn and my phone (rightly) refused.
[02:16] <Mark_K> Archonax098: The installation instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install point to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[02:17] <Archonax098> That's what I was referring to for the 'grouper' build.
[02:20] <Archonax098> My apologies; I just found two separate instances of test builds for my device in particular. One is from a youtube video, the other is from a forum post at : < http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2628398 >. I will attempt these and reply with the results.
[03:02] <Archonax098> Yep, it appears to be working fine through an installation of MultiRom. It's downloading Ubuntu Touch atm and will automatically install when finished. Thanks for the help. ( :
[04:45] <vthompson> balloons, you around?
[04:46] <jjcompany> how to input apn for ubuntu touch
[04:46] <jjcompany> how to input apn for ubuntu touch?
[04:50] <jjcompany> how to input apn for ubuntu touch?
[04:50] <jjcompany> i am using nexus 4
[04:51] <vthompson> What do you mean by "apn"?
[05:09] <StatiK76> installed ubuntu touch (p4wifi) on a galaxy tab 10.1 (7500) without error.  Still boots into cyanogenmod?
[05:20] <htc_> hi, i am trying to install ubuntu on an Asus Nexus 7. The device identifies itself as grouper, but it has no 3G. I keep ending up with an error Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command. autodeploy.zip not found. I followed the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[05:20] <htc_> did anyone experience anything similar?
[05:21] <htc_> ubuntu 13.10, x64, running in virtual box
[05:43] <nijo> zupp??
[06:01] <nijo> zupp??
[07:01] <nijo> zupp??
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[08:04] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[08:04] <nhaines> I watched you an hour ago wrapping up the UDS summary.
[08:06] <dholbach> ah nice :)
[08:07] <nhaines> That entire session was very informative.  Leann amazed me by her rapidfire presentation.  :)
[08:08] <dholbach> yeah, it was nuts :-)
[08:08] <dholbach> "a light schedule" :-)
[08:27] <dholbach> ogra_, do you know if http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/ is supposed to be working?
[08:30] <timppa> dholbach: use http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/ it works :)
[08:31] <dholbach> timppa, yeah - looks like it work, still it'd be nice to have a bit more detail ;-)
[08:32] <timppa> dholbach: yes, it would be nice
[09:13] <Kajover> Hi. I would like to install ubuntu touch on my Nexus device. Are there any messaging apps available? Is it possible to access Google Hangouts for example.
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Ask A Question Day! :-D
[09:15] <popey> davmor2: just had the double screensaver unlock thing
[09:17] <JamesTait> popey, me too!
[09:17] <popey> ooh, wrong channel for that probably, sorry.
[09:17] <popey> davmor2: do you have a bug for it?
[09:20]  * JamesTait watches with interest, having found nothing yesterday and not having the time to file a meaningful report at the time.
[09:21] <nhaines> Kajover: you can use Facebook and Twitter through the Friends app, but no Hangouts.
[09:21] <Kajover> One other question.. Are the radio (roms) going to get updated automatically with ubuntu touch updates?
[09:22] <ogra_> Kajover, no
[09:22] <ogra_> Kajover, but the radio stack in ubuntu is now compatible with both, the 4.2 and 4.4 firmware, so this is not an issue
[09:23] <Kajover> Facebook would be good. What about whatsapp or anything else? Jabber?
[09:23] <Kajover> So how would one update the radio firmware in the future? And what would I have to update manually as well?
[09:23] <ogra_> whatsapp doesnt allow opensource ports ... so we have to wait until they consider it
[09:24] <nhaines> Kajover: Whatsapp wants $200,000 to support Ubuntu, and shuts down any third-party apps.
[09:24] <nhaines> Kajover: radio firmware is an OEM problem.  They'll handle it for you.
[09:24] <ogra_> nhaines, where did you get that number ?
[09:24] <nhaines> ogra_: I've heard it a couple of times, and the last time at SCALE, Jono told me.
[09:24] <ogra_> i heard quite different values :)
[09:24] <Kajover> An OEM problem... But I still have to install it somehow?
[09:24] <nhaines> ogra_: trust your sources then.  :)
[09:25] <nhaines> Kajover: no, an OEM problem and they deal with it.
[09:25] <nhaines> That's what I meant by "they'll handle it for you.
[09:25] <nhaines> ogra_: when Jono said it, it was in the context of "usually when a large ISV is approached, they say "for $xx,xxx, we'll build it for you."
[09:26] <Kajover> Maybe I  didn't quite understand.. If a new version of the radio comes out. How will I update the phone with it if I run ubuntu?
[09:26] <ogra_> Kajover, if you use a nexus device there is already radio firmware ... ubuntu will run on it ... if you buy a preinstalled ubuntu phone in the future the manufacturer has put it in place already and you wont have to care either
[09:26] <nhaines> Evernote was a rather notable exception, and I think that's working out pretty well.  :)
[09:26] <ogra_> nhaines, ah, k
[09:26] <ogra_> yeah, they do great stuff
[09:27] <ogra_> Kajover, we make sure the ubuntu radio stack will work with it, you dont need to upgrade it
[09:27] <Kajover> Yes but don't I need to upgrade it.. To benefit from improvements?
[09:27] <nhaines> Kajover: what improvements?
[09:27] <ogra_> what improvements ?
[09:27] <ogra_> heh
[09:27] <Kajover> Fixes etc.. It is still a firmware update, No?
[09:28] <nhaines> Yeah, but then you could break Ubuntu compatibility.
[09:28] <ogra_> what is broken that you need fixed in your firmware ?
[09:28] <nhaines> ogra_: sometimes Android firmware updates improve LTE performance or have other nice tweaks.  In the Android world people like to tweak radio firmware and flash different phone models.
[09:29] <nhaines> ogra_: It's a thing.
[09:29] <Kajover> I don't know.. On my Nexus 4 I am sure there won't be any significant changes but if you have a new phone there might be some changes worth upgrading for.
[09:29] <nhaines> Kajover: new phones wouldn't be supported by Ubuntu anyway.
[09:29] <ogra_> if you have a phone with ubuntu preinstalled, the firmware will be upgraded alongside
[09:29] <ogra_> automatically
[09:30] <Kajover> OK. So are there any drawbacks from installing touch?
[09:30] <Kajover> Are there any phones with ubuntu pre-installed?
[09:30] <nhaines> Kajover: Just dual-boot it.  Get MultiROM Manager or something.
[09:30] <nhaines> There are two phones with Ubuntu preinstalled coming this Autumn.
[09:30] <ogra_> for nexus devices where users have to fiddle with scripts from a PC to even get it installed upgrading radio or bootloader can both brick the device so we rather care that all firmware works with our stack ... if you want to you can manually flash your firmware but we wont do that automatically
[09:31] <Kajover> I didn't think about dual booting it.. That is a nice way to try it out. Thank you for the tip.
[09:31] <nhaines> ogra_: it's not fun if it's not dangerous.  :)
[09:32] <ogra_> Ubuntu still doesnt havy many apps, there are still some missing features (whatsapp, jabber ... email ... ) beyond that it is suitable for daily use
[09:32] <ogra_> really depends what you need
[09:32]  * ogra_ is happy with his ubuntu phone but i dont use things like whatsapp for example, so i'm not missing anything 
[09:32] <nhaines> Kajover: the main drawback is after you use Ubuntu for a bit, you spend the next hour edge-swiping in Android but nothing happens.  :)
[09:33] <Kajover> Well.. Phone, Internet and messaging over the internet.. That is it so far.
[09:33] <Kajover> Hehe
[09:33] <popey> I have seen a number of people switch away from whatsapp to Telegram
[09:33]  * popey notes we have a Telegram webapp in the store ㋛
[09:33] <Kajover> That for instance could be an alternative.
[09:33] <nhaines> Does anyone have any idea when new header stuff will land in the stack and on the SDK?
[09:34] <davmor2> popey: did you get the bugs for the screensaver?
[09:34] <popey> davmor2: i experienced it this morning
[09:34] <popey> got a bug number?
[09:34] <nhaines> Literally every time I schedule some time to do app design, something major changes.  :P
[09:35] <davmor2> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1292069
[09:35] <Kajover> One more thing.. Would you install touch now or wait till 14.04 releases?
[09:36] <nhaines> Kajover: just use the "devel" or "trusty" branch and you won't get daily updates, but they will have been very thoroughly tested.
[09:39] <Kajover> Ah still one more.. What about contact synchronization? Am I able to synchronize my contacts with Google or Microsoft.. Or any other service?
[09:39] <Kajover> .. The same for the calendar.
[09:40] <nhaines> No, but soon, with Google.
[09:40] <nhaines> Unless you use the commandline to sync your contacts.  Then yes now.
[09:45] <Kajover> Soon Google is enough for me. Thanks.
[10:06] <timppa> Is GSM/4G version of nexus 7 2013 supported?
[10:07] <ogra_> timppa, no, but i think Tassadar has a community build for it
[10:07] <timppa> ogra_: sh**, just bought one
[10:08] <ogra_> timppa, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06721.html
[10:08] <ogra_> he should have images for deb ...
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:08] <ogra_> (and afaik they work fine since they are derived from our flo (wifi version) images)
[10:09] <timppa> hopefully
[10:09] <timppa> thanks!
[10:09] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty --bootstrap=true --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu"
[10:09] <ogra_> should get you going
[10:12] <timppa> ogra_: is that for hammerhead only?
[10:12] <ogra_> timppa, no, for deb too afaik
[10:13] <ogra_> i see deb files here http://cdimage.tasemnice.eu/20140308/
[10:13] <ogra_> and here http://system-image.tasemnice.eu/trusty-proposed/deb/
[10:13] <timppa> I will try
[10:23] <timppa> hopefully there will be officially supported version on the gsm version of n7 also
[10:27] <imbehindyou> hey all - i have a question about ubuntu touch
[10:28] <imbehindyou> at its base, is the operating system ubuntu or android ?
[10:28] <ogra_> it is ubuntu but for using the binary blobs there runs a very small android inside an lxc container (for modem, sensor and graphics drivers)
[10:29] <ogra_> (oh, and the camera firmware)
[10:29] <matv1> hi just wondering: is anyone aware of a generic bug where updated clickpackages fail to start, but they do after a reboot?
[10:29] <ogra_> matv1, havent seen that, please file one
[10:30] <matv1> ogra are you sure thats not known? I have seen this before on quite a few ocaisions over well last year actualy. just not lately
[10:30] <matv1> but seeing it again just now after updating the calc
[10:30] <ogra_> well, i can update packages fine here and they work
[10:31] <ogra_> just did so yesterday
[10:31] <matv1> oh i am on maguro btw
[10:31] <ogra_> ah, k
[10:31] <matv1> still want that bug rep then?
[10:31] <ogra_> maguro is not being tested or promoted anymore
[10:31] <matv1> i know
[10:31] <ogra_> sure ... though mention that you are on maguro
[10:32] <matv1> ok will do
[10:33] <matv1> ogra do i need to pastebin some logs? i am not sure which if any would be usefull
[10:34] <ogra_> add the logs for the app from /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/
[10:34] <ogra_> and if you have also whatever related you find in /var/crash/
[10:35] <matv1> ok i will see whats there
[10:35] <matv1> thnx
[10:36] <cwayne> so what're the chances of landing 5.2 today
[10:37] <ogra_> cwayne, good i'd say
[10:38] <ogra_> everything sits in proposed already
[10:38] <ogra_> and the last non 5.2 build looks really good, that should give us a few days wiggle room to land it
[10:39] <ogra_> (dnot expect any new image promotions within the next week though 5.2 will likely break a lot even though we tra to test everything in advance)
[10:39] <ogra_> *try
[10:41] <cwayne> right, i jsut want it to get into -proposed for now :)
[10:41] <ogra_> that already happened, but it is still blocked
[10:43] <cwayne> well i meant a -proposed image
[10:45] <timppa> ogra_: paste.ubuntu.com/7089432
[10:46] <ogra_> timppa, hmm, talk to Tassadar once he is around
[10:47] <timppa> I will
[10:47] <ogra_> unless sergiusens has an idea ... might be a prob with ubuntu-device-flash ...
[10:47] <ogra_> (though i suspect it is rather server side)
[10:48] <timppa> Damn I'm pissed about myself (once again) for not looking up thibngs better... :(
[10:48] <timppa> I really thought that it's the same device and supported as the WiFi model...
[10:49] <timppa> ubuntu-device-flash has one update available, will try again
[10:50] <timppa> ah now it seems to do something
[10:50] <timppa> * Flashing version 236...
[10:50] <timppa> :D
[10:55] <ogra_> yay
[10:59] <sergiusens> ogra_, about what?
[11:01] <sergiusens> timppa, 2014/03/14 12:43:48 invalid character '<' looking for beginning of value ... that's most likely a failure to decode the json; I'll make the error message clearer
[11:03] <timppa> sergiusens: I updated the ubuntu-device-flash package and it started working again
[11:06] <timppa> what is Binder_2 process?
[11:07] <ogra_> the kernel IPC mechanism the binary blobs communicate through
[11:08] <timppa> ogra_: ok, it was hogging 100% CPU for a while
[11:08] <timppa> ogra_: Now I have r236 on my N7 :D
[11:08] <ogra_> congrats !
[11:19] <cwayne> is there a way to make sure a ppa is building against -proposed?
[11:29] <cwayne> ogra_, ^ any idea?
[11:29] <ogra_> nope
[11:35] <didrocks> cwayne: looks at build logs
[11:35] <didrocks> look*
[11:35] <didrocks> you should see the update from -proposed
[11:35] <didrocks> otherwise, if you are the ppa owner, you can check the switch
[11:35] <cwayne> ah, how do you do that?
[11:36] <cwayne> ah nm
[11:36] <cwayne> got it, thanks didrocks!
[11:36] <didrocks> yw ;)
[11:44] <timppa> If I change the hostname on UT will it survive the OTA update?
[11:45] <timppa> Now I have a problem regarding ssh keys, hostname is the same on Nexus 4 and Nexus 7...
[11:56] <popey> timppa: yeah, it's annoying having multiple "ubuntu-phablet" hostnames around here
[11:58] <cwayne> should be changable now with hostnamectl
[12:01] <timppa> popey, cwayne thanks!
[12:06] <timppa> yes! this is awesome! Using terminal is way better on n7. Now I can use irssi with this :)
[12:07] <timppa> and gsm works also, no need to depend on wireless :)
[12:18] <davmor2> hey guys how do you do call switching?
[12:19] <popey> davmor2: get a second phone to call you
[12:20] <davmor2> popey: just tried it went through to answering machine as the line was busy
[12:20] <popey> same here
[12:20] <popey> might need enabling on the account
[12:21] <popey> yeah, checked on my iphone, it does the same
[12:27] <fps> holding my breath while performing step 4 on this nexus 4 i bought only for ubuntu touch ;D
[12:31] <popey> Saviq: do you know when the landscape mode for nexus 7 2013 is due to land? the one we had for mwc?
[12:31] <popey> I'd like to do some more extensive landscape app testing, but would rather not use a dated mwc build.
[12:32] <fps> the installation procedure seems to be well documented and rather streamlined already :D
[12:33] <davmor2> popey: does the light sensor actually work for you?
[12:36] <Saviq> popey, it's not gonna land
[12:36] <Saviq> popey, it was a hack
[12:36] <Saviq> popey, we need proper shell rotation that's due post-14.04
[12:39] <popey> Saviq: so we wont get landscape on the nexus 7 for 14.04?
[12:41] <rickspencer3> popey, lol
[12:42] <rickspencer3> popey, nice pic on g+
[12:42] <Saviq> popey, 'fraid not, no
[12:42] <popey> rickspencer3: taken with ubuntu phone ☻
[12:42] <popey> Saviq: hmm. bummer. thanks.
[12:43] <rickspencer3> Saviq, can't we just hard code the shell rotated into landscape mode rather than portrait?
[12:43] <Saviq> rickspencer3, it's not just about the shell
[12:44] <Saviq> rickspencer3, it's about app placement as well, so main/sidestage is the biggest issue there
[12:44] <rickspencer3> Saviq, but Nexus 10?
[12:44] <Saviq> rickspencer3, that's natively landscape
[12:44] <Saviq> rickspencer3, Nexus 7 is natively portrait
[12:44] <pmcgowan> Saviq, did we give up on some lower level workaround? seems it must be possible
[12:45] <rickspencer3> Saviq, right, so Nexus 10 we'll have sidestage and etc... soon, right?
[12:45] <pmcgowan> we have now on N10
[12:45] <Saviq> rickspencer3, it's there all the time
[12:45] <pmcgowan> such as it is
[12:45] <rickspencer3> ok, good
[12:45] <rickspencer3> :)
[12:45] <rickspencer3> thanks
[12:45] <Saviq> we have a few fixes in store for that, and we're starting to work on the right edge for it
[12:45] <Saviq> new right edge, that is
[12:46] <cwayne> but i thought the whole purpose of choosing the n7 was that it was big enough for sidestage
[12:46] <cwayne> hence the removal of n10 as officially supported
[12:46] <pmcgowan> we did not remove n10 btw
[12:46] <Saviq> pmcgowan, yes, we went for a unity-mir/unity8-level, otherwise transforming input was an issue
[12:47] <Saviq> cwayne, and sure, it is big enough for sidestage, but because it's native portrait, it's the wrong orientation for a side stage...
[12:58] <hapee> hi guys, can I post a question? and the question is: I see an update to build 237 where do I find information on the changes in that build?
[12:59] <pmcgowan> hapee, the "unofficial" way is to check http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/
[12:59] <pmcgowan> we dont really have proper release notes for each image
[13:00] <hapee> thanks pmcgowan this is good enough
[13:01] <didrocks> also the landing team email try to spot the biggest changes
[13:01] <didrocks> hapee: pmcgowan ^
[13:03] <fps> interesting. i just went onto the contacts thingie and an error message about a "terminal not being able to be configured remotely" popped up
[13:05] <fps> hm, i wonder if i can get carddav support to work somehow
[13:14] <fps> hmm, is there a built in way to lock the device with a pin/password?
[13:45] <fps> hm, uninstalling the gmail and facebook apps failed with an error
[13:45] <fps> is that expected?
[13:58] <dobey> popey: can you reflash #236 and try to install? do you have the .wrtable_image file on your phone? neither alecu nor myself could reproduce your bug :-/
[13:59] <popey> dobey: i will a bit later, yes.
[14:00] <dobey> k
[14:09] <barry> mandel: hi!  where are things with the new u-d-m and s-i silo?
[14:21] <lool> cjwatson: so beuno is adding support for multiple frameworks now
[14:21] <lool> he will send an email to the list
[14:24] <MacSlow> t1mp, got a moment?
[14:25] <didrocks> lool: ok, so we found what's needed
[14:25] <didrocks> for click and apparmor
[14:26] <t1mp> MacSlow: sure
[14:34] <didrocks> lool: ok, so phone-side, apart from the click ones, we should be ready (but messaging-app)
[14:51] <mandel> barry, qt5 is very close to land, we have l39 for us and we will request the silo asap
[14:51] <mandel> barry, we should get it later today and we will be able to test it in the devices
[14:51] <didrocks> beuno: as discussion, we introduced the ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev framework (maybe it will get renamed)
[14:51] <didrocks> beuno: mind taking that one into account, even if it's short-lived?
[14:51] <barry> mandel: sounds good!
[14:53] <cjwatson> didrocks: it was supposed to be -dev1
[14:54] <cjwatson> didrocks: and you didn't declare the new Base-Name and Base-Version fields
[14:54] <cjwatson> didrocks: I was going to do that when I added it, it's actually fairly important
[14:54] <didrocks> cjwatson: ah, we can still change it. Just trying to get things unblocked (I wasn't involved into the preparation and being dropped in the middle :/)
[14:54] <cjwatson> didrocks: mind if I rename it now and add those fields?  I don't want to have to clean this up later
[14:54] <didrocks> cjwatson: sure sure :)
[14:55] <didrocks> you are doing both upload?
[14:55] <didrocks> or can I help?
[14:55] <beuno> didrocks, sure thing, I'll add it to the store as supported in a short while
[14:55] <didrocks> beuno: so ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1
[14:55] <beuno> :)
[14:55] <beuno> so maybe I'll send an email to the list
[14:55] <beuno> and get a few +1s all around
[14:55] <beuno> and then add it
[14:56] <beuno> FWIW, landing it on the image won't break the scope/store
[14:56] <beuno> this is just so people can upload apps that target that
[14:56] <cjwatson> didrocks: both uploads?
[14:56] <cjwatson> beuno: click will need to be changed too
[14:56] <didrocks> cjwatson: yeah, the click apparmor needs a change, I can do it
[14:56] <didrocks> so -dev1?
[14:56] <cjwatson> didrocks: I'd be more comfortable if we let the security team take care of that, personally
[14:57] <didrocks> cjwatson: jdstrand isn't around and we are in the middle of the transaction, do you know who else from the security team can help?
[14:57] <cjwatson> there's no transaction here
[14:57] <cjwatson> apps are still built against 13.10 with click chroot, nothing changes
[14:57] <didrocks> cjwatson: well, all images will fail without that
[14:57] <didrocks> Touch image
[14:57] <cjwatson> why do image builds fail?
[14:58] <didrocks> because we can't generate a profile for the apps that needs a rebuild
[14:58]  * cjwatson uploads http://paste.ubuntu.com/7090583/
[14:58] <didrocks> (click apps)
[14:58] <cjwatson> well, I guess only if the change is really obvious
[14:58] <cjwatson> you don't need to change click for that though - that can wait for next week
[14:59] <cjwatson> that's only for building apps with click chroo
[14:59] <cjwatson> t
[14:59] <didrocks> cjwatson: it is really obvious (it's only click apparmor, not click)
[14:59] <cjwatson> well, sort of.  click-apparmor ought to be using libclick to get the framework name/version
[14:59] <didrocks> cjwatson: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/169495245/click-apparmor_0.1.15.3_0.1.15.4.diff.gz
[14:59] <cjwatson> I guess it isn't totally terrible to hardcode ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1 for now, but that code needs to not live for very long
[14:59] <didrocks> (yeah, it doesn't use default is the .framework file is present)
[15:00] <didrocks> cjwatson: right, that's why I don't do a MP and will email jamie directly
[15:00] <cjwatson> I have no idea whether that's OK or not, but your call I guess
[15:00] <cjwatson> please rename to -dev1 though :)
[15:00] <didrocks> cjwatson: we tested
[15:00] <didrocks> yeah, that was the "second upload" I was mentionning
[15:00] <didrocks> mentioning*
[15:00] <cjwatson> oh I see
[15:01] <jdstrand> what's going on?
[15:01] <cjwatson> I expect the profile isn't right, but I suppose it will work well enough for the core apps we ship
[15:01] <didrocks> ah jdstrand :)
[15:01] <jdstrand> we landed 14.04 frameworks today?
[15:01] <didrocks> jdstrand: yeah, due to 5.2 transition
[15:02] <jdstrand> there is a landing in Pending for 0.2
[15:02] <jdstrand> it is well tested locally
[15:02] <didrocks> jdstrand: so, we were looking/poking around to see what needs to be changed framework-wise
[15:02] <didrocks> jdstrand: ah excellent, let's use your work then
[15:02] <didrocks> jdstrand: this is with ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1?
[15:02] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I just uploaded ubuntu-touch-meta with ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1, plus the Base-Name and Base-Version fields for all frameworks
[15:03] <jdstrand> it also doesn't use libclick, but that was a practical matter of things landing all around the same time. I have a plan to move to it, but 0.2 will work fine
[15:03] <didrocks> jdstrand: there was another issue we had when popey tried to install his app for ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1
[15:03] <didrocks> jdstrand: we needed that: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/169495245/click-apparmor_0.1.15.3_0.1.15.4.diff.gz
[15:03] <jdstrand> ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1 is one of the frameworks in the testsuite. it will work with 0.2
[15:03] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Once that's in place, you should safely be able to use from gi.repository import Click; Click.Framework.open etc.
[15:03] <cjwatson> or Click.Framework.get_frameworks
[15:04] <cjwatson> and framework.get_base_name() and .get_base_version() should work
[15:04] <jdstrand> I'd prefer to not switch to libclick today, as I'm off. but, like I said, 0.2 is ready and will work with the frameworks specified in the wiki, including -dev1
[15:04] <cjwatson> sure, I'm off too :)
[15:04] <jdstrand> :)
[15:04] <cjwatson> just popping in
[15:04] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I think you can now actually be off, and I'll be on for a bit, assuming this is the last thing you are working on :)
[15:05] <didrocks> jdstrand: how can we help to not destroy your day off?
[15:05] <cjwatson> yep.  I needed a break for carrying things around anyway ...
[15:05] <didrocks> jdstrand: feel free to ignore my upload then, but it was the only thing that enabled us to have aa-easy-proof -f regenarating the profile
[15:05] <jdstrand> didrocks: give me a silo, I'll test while eating breakfast. it won't take long. I finished all the new tests, testsuite, local testing, the MP, etc, etc this week. I'm ready to start the landing if you are
[15:06] <jdstrand> I've not looked at 0.1.15.4 and would prefer to use 0.2, since it is well tested
[15:06] <davmor2> didrocks: you mean aa-clickhook -f right?
[15:06] <jdstrand> is 0.1.15.4 uploaded?
[15:07] <didrocks> jdstrand: yeah, but we can ignore it :)
[15:08] <didrocks> jdstrand: ok, I ran "build" forcing to ignore the version
[15:08] <didrocks> jdstrand: silo 008
[15:08] <jdstrand> didrocks: so, 0.1.15.4 went through the proce and I need to merge in its changes, or was it uploaded outside of the process?
[15:09] <jdstrand> s/proce/process/
[15:09] <didrocks> jdstrand: I didn't know if you fix the branch ownership, hence the direct upload (but tested the same way)
[15:09] <jdstrand> (note, I mentioned in Pending that this was needed for the new frameworks)
[15:09] <fps> btw: is it ok to just use the apt tools on the commandline via adb shell to install software, etc>
[15:09] <fps> ?
[15:09] <fps> or does that harm the system in any way
[15:10] <jdstrand> I prefer the direct upload for this, since now I can truly ignore it :)
[15:10] <fps> i wonder if there's an overview for linux power users on what goes and what doesn't with ubuntu touch
[15:10] <didrocks> jdstrand: oh sure, please do if you tested (
[15:10] <jdstrand> I have tested 0.2 extensively. I will do the silo and retest with the built packages
[15:10] <didrocks> jdstrand: we'll need to fix the branch team then
[15:10] <didrocks> jdstrand: ok, changing the setting then
[15:11] <jdstrand> didrocks: it says 'Preparing packages', did you start the build?
[15:11] <cjwatson> fps: it's possible if you make the base image writable (phablet-config writable-image), but that breaks system-image-updates and is only really supported for developers testing stuff
[15:11] <cjwatson> developers of the platform itself I mean
[15:11] <didrocks> jdstrand: I did, just aborted though as per the discussion
[15:12] <didrocks> jdstrand: so that you can do a direct upload until we fix the branch ownership
[15:12] <jdstrand> didrocks: let's pause. I'm new to the process so I can't connect all the dots yet. what specifically do you need me to do? I just assume I start with 'Build'
[15:13] <fps> cjwatson: oh, too bad :(
[15:13] <fps> cjwatson: but good to know. thanks..
[15:13] <didrocks> jdstrand: you prefer to directly upload your package to the ppa until the branch ownership is fixed, right?
[15:13] <fps> cjwatson: but i guess one could be free to install a chroot on the device where one has free reign?
[15:13] <fps> cjwatson: for doing more linux-ish stuff
[15:14] <fps> or even a lxc?
[15:14] <jdstrand> didrocks: I can do that. I have a source package that is tested. that said, I'm fine with the MP and doing what we did yesterday
[15:14] <didrocks> jdstrand: no, let's do the source package if already ready and you feel more confortable for today
[15:14] <jdstrand> yesterday/wed
[15:14] <didrocks> jdstrand: so landing-006 for you
[15:15] <jdstrand> didrocks: ok. I've not uploaded a package directly to a silo ppa before. anything special?
[15:15] <didrocks> jdstrand: you can dput here: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-006
[15:15] <didrocks> jdstrand: then, run the build job with "watch only"
[15:15] <jdstrand> ack
[15:15] <didrocks> (or even watch only shouldn't be needed in fact)
[15:15] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, hows your day off so far
[15:16] <cjwatson> fps: sure, that should work
[15:16] <jdstrand> nice
[15:16] <jdstrand> :)
[15:16] <pmcgowan> same as colins it seems
[15:16] <jdstrand> I've just glad I couldn't sleep last night and finished up a load of testsuite updates for this :)
[15:16] <jdstrand> s/I've/I'm/
[15:17] <jdstrand> (ie, updated the security image tests)
[15:20] <jdstrand> ok, had to regenerate the changelog cause it still had UNRELEASED
[15:20] <jdstrand> uploading to silo now
[15:20] <didrocks> jdstrand: great!
[15:26] <didrocks> jdstrand: was it rejected? (I thought I added you to the right team)
[15:28] <jdstrand> didrocks: I don't see a rejection notification
[15:28] <jdstrand> but I don't see it in the ppa either
[15:29] <jdstrand> I did 'dput ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-006 ./*source.changes'
[15:29] <didrocks> yeah… weird
[15:29] <didrocks> and you are on the right team
[15:31] <didrocks> jdstrand: ok, let's not delay on that, if you are sure about your testing, please upload to the archive
[15:31] <didrocks> (not sure if ppa's publication has any issue)
[15:31] <jdstrand> I am. I ran the test plan, ran it on a mako, ran all the tests
[15:31] <didrocks> jdstrand: ok, upload then please :)
[15:31]  * didrocks frees the silo
[15:32] <jdstrand> uploaded
[15:32] <didrocks> thanks a lot jdstrand :)
[15:32] <didrocks> jdstrand: so, people have 2 strings to change, right
[15:33] <didrocks> ubuntu-sdk-13.10 -> ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1
[15:33] <didrocks> policy: 1.0 -> 2.0?
[15:39] <didrocks> (1.0 -> 1.1 it seems)
[15:58] <Allexz> Hey guys, thought id get a second look on ubuntu-touch, tried it momentarily when it was "new", should i go with devel or devel-proposed ? Any real difference?
[15:58] <popey> Allexz: i'd avoid -proposed for the next day or two ☻
[15:58] <popey> maybe install it now, and then update it on tuesday ☻
[15:59] <Allexz> I see, got a link to whats going on? ^
[15:59] <mhall119> Allexz: devel is "latest tested", devel-proposed is "latest untested"
[15:59] <mhall119> devel should always work
[15:59] <mhall119> -proposed might not
[15:59] <Allexz> Allright, i'll probably just stay on devel then :) flashing at the moment, has much happened since day 1 ?
[16:00] <lool> cjwatson: hey, would you know which components need work to move from click to libclick?
[16:01] <davmor2> Allexz: Loads
[16:12] <Allexz> wow... things has evolved
[16:15] <lool> cjwatson: nm, foudn thanks  :-)
[16:24] <Saviq> does anyone use dualboot here? does the ubuntu dualboot app reboot the device for you?
[16:24] <popey> Saviq: dpm does
[16:24] <Saviq> or well, for that matter, does "adb shell reboot" reboot? (probably reardless of dual boot)
[16:25] <cwayne_> adb shell reboot will reboot to android
[16:25] <Saviq> cwayne_, that's fine
[16:25] <Saviq> cwayne_, but yeah, that reboots, the app doesn't apparently
[16:25] <davmor2> Allexz: I'll take that as a good thing then :)
[16:32] <Allexz> davmor2:  wow, yes it's looking really great, i cannot wait for it to go gold
[16:33] <dpm> hi Saviq, ondra should know how the reboot happens, but I can point you to the code
[16:34] <Saviq> dpm, can you confirm that the dual boot app on ubuntu does reboot for you indeed? to either ubuntu or android?
[16:35] <dpm> Saviq, it does, for me, but I've not yet updated to the latest image promoted this week, I'm an image behind
[16:36] <dpm> Saviq, here's how the app on the Ubuntu side reboots: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vtuson/humpolec/ubuntudualboot/view/head:/backend/modules/ubuntuboot/ubuntuboot.cpp#L6
[16:37] <Saviq> dpm, hmm empty password it seems
[16:38] <dpm> Saviq, oh wait, it doesn't!
[16:38] <Saviq> dpm, okies, bug, then
[16:38] <Saviq> dpm, /me files
[16:38] <dpm> sorry, I thought I'd rebooted to android recently. So sorry for the confusion. I can reproduce it, reboot does not work from the Ubuntu side
[16:39] <dpm> it just freezes the app
[16:45] <Saviq> dpm, bug #1292609
[16:46] <dpm> Saviq, confirmed, thanks
[16:46] <Saviq> dpm, on another note, does the download take a long, long time for you as well? it's much faster for me when I use ubuntu-device-flash, I'm on a 120Mbps hose, but with the android app it takes several minutes to download :/
[16:47] <dpm> Saviq, I used to have the problem with the long downloads (30 mins to 1h!), but the last two times it seems to have been fast enough (about 2-5 mins)
[16:48] <Saviq> dpm, ok thanks
[16:48] <dpm> I told ondra, but we could never figure out what it was. I'm on 50Mbps, but I didn't measure how fast the wireless connection was during the downloads
[16:50] <ondra> Saviq: what is your issue with reboot?
[16:50] <Saviq> ondra, it doesn't work ;)
[16:51] <Saviq> ondra, I even saw sudo prompting for the password on my console somehow
[16:51] <Saviq> ondra, so it looks like sudo doesn't go through and just hangs on the password prompt
[16:52] <ondra> Saviq: do you mean dualboot.sh script?
[16:52] <Saviq> ondra, no, the ubuntu app
[16:52] <ondra> Saviq: ahh that one, yeah
[16:52] <ondra> Saviq: there is some issue wiht it, introduces with latest ubuntu, 0220 still works
[16:53] <Saviq> ondra, I think you should be able to call a dbus thingy to reboot
[16:53] <ondra> Saviq: did not have time to look at it more, Victor is trying to have a look
[16:53] <ondra> Saviq: I don't think we have permissions for that
[16:53] <Saviq> ondra, lightdm is on the device after all, and you're in a proper ubuntu session, I'm assuming unconfined
[16:54] <Saviq> ondra, well, we should gain them - better than assuming knowledge of the password and going through sudo...
[16:54] <ondra> Saviq: I think we are confined
[16:54] <Saviq> ondra, I'm sure that can be solved with jdstrand :)
[16:54] <Saviq> ondra, maybe adding an exception specific for the dualboot app or something
[16:55] <Saviq> ondra, of course, I don't know what the long term plan for that app is (if any), so it might make sense not to spend any time on it
[16:56] <ondra> Saviq: I don't think it makes sense to get exception, so we will just try to resolve issue when it hangs on password now
[16:56] <cjwatson> lool: I've been working on upstart-app-launch, unity-scope-click, ubuntu-system-settings, and clickmanager-plugin, and I think click-apparmor probably should be as well
[16:56] <cjwatson> lool: nothing *needs* to move as such, there's full compatibility, but perf advantages
[16:59] <boiko> rsalveti: hey, can we get the ofono-qt MR merged now that the Qt5.2 has landed?
[17:00] <cjwatson> lool: (upstart-app-launch: branches approved and ready to land; unity-scope-click: I've done some work but waiting for new scopes before proceeding; ubuntu-system-settings: my patches compile, haven't tested them yet, could use advice on how to do accurate benchmarking of the relevant plugin; clickmanager-plugin: I have some unbuilt/untested patches)
[17:11] <balloons> libqt5core5 -> libqt5core5a has broken installation for the core apps ppa for some core apps that depend on it
[17:14] <cjwatson> they need to be rebuilt, aiui that's unavoidable
[17:15] <balloons> is a straight rebuild enough, do we need to update depends?
[17:19] <rsalveti> boiko: we're waiting to get at least one image first
[17:19] <boiko> rsalveti: :/
[17:19] <Knightwise> guys ?
[17:19] <cjwatson> balloons: check with Mirv but AFAIK a straight rebuild is fine
[17:20] <boiko> rsalveti: we have at least 3 MRs that we can't get built on jenkins because of that
[17:20] <balloons> ty
[17:20] <Knightwise> when I boot i get the dialog option on the nexus 7 that asks me if ROM may flash stock recovery on boot
[17:20] <Knightwise> what do I answer ? yes or no ?
[17:20] <boiko> rsalveti: and the change is really low risk: no one is using that code path yet
[17:20] <rsalveti> boiko: right, but unfortunately not much we can do now, people are working hard on that
[17:20] <Knightwise> hey alan_g !
[17:21] <rsalveti> balloons: just a rebuild should be enough
[17:21] <alan_g> Knightwise: ?
[17:21] <Knightwise> anyone have any idea what i should answer to the question if ROM may flash stock recovery on boot fix ?
[17:21] <Knightwise> I installed ubuntu touch using the wiki as a manual.
[17:21] <Mirv> balloons: straight no-change rebuild
[17:21] <Knightwise> everything seems to have gone ok , now its booting up
[17:22] <Knightwise> and then I get the question if Rom may flash stock recovery on boot FIX yes/no
[17:22] <Knightwise> yes : Disable recovery flash or NO (or GO back)
[17:23] <cjwatson> this may be the blind leading the blind, but when I saw that message I searched the web and found advice saying it actually didn't matter
[17:23] <Knightwise> in the manual it talks about the nexus 10 having this issue and that you should select "go back"
[17:24] <Knightwise> it seems to be rebooting now .. just not sure into what.
[17:25] <Knightwise> I got it ! :) it booted
[17:25] <DanChapman> Knightwise: i get that every time, all i do is just wait it eventually progresses on its own
[17:26] <Knightwise> aand it crashed.
[17:30] <ogra_> Knightwise, manual installs arent actually supported or tested anymore since a while ... use ubuntu-device-flash
[17:31] <Knightwise> i did :)
[17:31] <Knightwise> its working now
[17:31] <Knightwise> Whow..
[17:31] <Knightwise> alien !
[17:32] <ogra_> oh, i misread ... you said you used the wiki as a manual ... not you used the manual instructions on the wiki :)
[17:46] <popey> davmor2: you around? can you install franglish and tell me if you see the icon in the dash or not?
[17:47] <sergiusens> beuno, didrocks rsalveti when I try to upload the new clicks I don't get the 14.04 framework as an option
[17:47] <didrocks> sergiusens: beuno was working on that AFAIK
[17:47] <didrocks> lool: do you know? you told it was ongoing, right? ^
[17:47] <sergiusens> didrocks, ok, so I wait then
[17:47] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, see my point 3. in the email :p
[17:48] <didrocks> sergiusens: I think just get everything prepared
[17:49] <beuno> sergiusens, right
[17:49] <beuno> I haven't added it yet
[17:49] <beuno> -dev1 and -qml?
[17:50] <beuno> sergiusens, didrocks, if you guys +1 it I'll make it available now
[17:51] <didrocks> beuno: yeah, -dev1 is what we are going to use for now
[17:51] <beuno> ok, hold on to your seat
[17:51] <cjwatson> -dev1 is not in the same category as -qml
[17:51] <cjwatson> actually, bah, I think we got this wrong
[17:52] <beuno> I am not sure I understand how the store cares about these different categories
[17:52] <cjwatson> this is what you get for doing this on my day off :)
[17:52] <beuno> heh
[17:52] <beuno> cjwatson, the store hasn't accepted anything yet
[17:52] <beuno> so there's time
[17:52] <cjwatson> it was supposed to be ubuntu-sdk-14.04-{qml,papi,html}-dev1
[17:52] <beuno> I can not add it
[17:52] <cjwatson> we'd agreed on that, so just -dev1 was a mistake, sigh
[17:52] <cjwatson> but I'm really not going to fix it now, somebody who cares more about this mad rush today should do it
[17:52] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Click/Frameworks has the latest agreed stuff
[17:53] <cjwatson> (more or less agreed anyway)
[17:53] <beuno> so I think nobody's blocked on uploading to the store
[17:53] <didrocks> can we do a transition period?
[17:53] <didrocks> beuno: the image is
[17:53] <beuno> didrocks, why?
[17:53] <didrocks> beuno: see the landing team email, next image is going to be broken
[17:53] <cjwatson> I suppose you can do it as just bare -dev1 for now and please NOT advertise it for general use, just use it to unblock sergiusens
[17:54] <cjwatson> then we can split it ASAP next week
[17:54] <beuno> didrocks, I read it, I don't understand why you need to upload to the store
[17:54] <didrocks> cjwatson: yeah, I didn't give the full name on the ML
[17:54] <cjwatson> otherwise we confuse the hell out of appdevs
[17:54] <beuno> the click scope will handle any framework search
[17:54] <didrocks> beuno: because of the ABI uncompatibility?
[17:54]  * cjwatson -> elsewhere
[17:54] <didrocks> beuno: we don't have any compatible gallery, terminal or messaging app
[17:54] <didrocks> with latest image
[17:55] <didrocks> we need to rebuild those
[17:55] <didrocks> (the ones I listed)
[17:55] <sergiusens> cjwatson, beuno I can redo it
[17:55] <davmor2> popey: I'm back now so yes
[17:55] <didrocks> sergiusens: well, we already uploaded some packages in distro for that
[17:56] <sergiusens> didrocks, can't you redo it as well? :-)
[17:56] <didrocks> sergiusens: so, it's going to be painful and redelayed
[17:56] <sergiusens> ok
[17:56] <didrocks> sergiusens: more a question of delay
[17:56] <popey> davmor2: yes you can or yes you do see broken icons?
[17:56] <didrocks> sergiusens: and not thrilled after 12h here :p
[17:56] <ogra_> heh, whats 12h
[17:56] <davmor2> popey: I'm installing it now
[17:56] <popey> ta
[17:56] <didrocks> ogra_: without running, that's why I would prefer we don't argue on the same thing :)
[17:57] <davmor2> popey: I see an icon in the store I don't one it is installed
[17:57] <ogra_> didrocks, oh, i thought you went running
[17:57] <didrocks> ogra_: well, see the channels and continuous pings, I couldn't
[17:57] <ogra_> bah
[17:57] <davmor2> s/one/once
[17:57] <ogra_> thats indeed bad
[17:57] <popey> davmor2: brilliant, thanks
[17:57] <didrocks> all that because that transition wasn't really prepared
[17:57] <didrocks> and dumped on me
[17:57] <didrocks> so ok, let's go on
[17:57] <didrocks> beuno: can you just implement those names (+ the definitives)
[17:58] <didrocks> beuno: then, we'll retransition to the real ones
[18:04] <sergiusens> cjwatson, fwiw popey would need to not make app developers use this new framework
[18:04] <didrocks> sergiusens: well, the can use the new name I guess
[18:04] <popey> its only for app devs which have had to rebuild binary chunks?
[18:04] <popey> surely
[18:04] <didrocks> ubuntu-sdk-14.04-{qml,papi,html}-dev1
[18:05] <popey> there's only 3 devs affected by this.
[18:05] <didrocks> popey: can you advertize that one? They will just not be displayed until Monday
[18:05] <sergiusens> didrocks, they can't test with the new name until it's in though; apparmor rejects unknown frameworks
[18:05] <didrocks> and we won't promote an image beforehand
[18:05] <popey> I dont see this as the biggest issue we have ☻
[18:05] <sergiusens> so they can stage but can't test
[18:05] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, at least, they won't need to reupload?
[18:05] <popey> didrocks: I already mailed them the other one, happy to update them with more spam ☻
[18:05] <didrocks> popey: I'm sure you like spamming :)
[18:05] <popey> I do!
[18:06] <beuno> didrocks, sergiusens, I'll email the list and once I get +1s all around, I'll add
[18:06] <ogra_> popey, shouldnt you also mail the ML given that we have an app contest running ?
[18:07] <ogra_> there might be more binary apps in the works
[18:07] <didrocks> beuno: hum, when/from who do you wait for the +1s?
[18:07] <beuno> didrocks, you, sergiusens, cjwatson, jdstrand and lool
[18:07] <beuno> ideally
[18:07] <popey> ogra_: not yet. I dont think we want to send out info until we have this somewhat nailed down.
[18:07] <didrocks> beuno: cjwatson and jdstrand are off
[18:07] <didrocks> beuno: so that won't happen anytime soon
[18:07] <popey> ogra_: but yes, we do need to make it more widely known
[18:07] <ogra_> right
[18:08] <popey> thanks ☻
[18:08] <didrocks> lool doesn't seem to be around
[18:08] <beuno> didrocks, and you're sure that if the store doesn't allow uploading (but yes querying), it would still block you?
[18:08] <beuno> if yes
[18:08] <beuno> give me the exact strings you need
[18:08] <beuno> and I'll add them
[18:08] <didrocks> beuno: we are more than 100% sure or we won't work around the clock for that
[18:08] <sergiusens> beuno, the problem is  the image picks the clicks from the store
[18:09] <beuno> right
[18:09] <sergiusens> beuno, you can make it avail only for the com.ubuntu namespace if that's possible
[18:09] <didrocks> beuno: so, the minimal we need is the one cjwatson mentionned (the wrong one accepted in distro for now)
[18:09] <didrocks> beuno: which is ubuntu-sdk-14.04-dev1
[18:09] <beuno> didrocks, adding it now
[18:09] <didrocks> thanks :)
[18:10] <fps> ok, is there a general system/architecture overview for ubuntu touch somewhere on the web??
[18:11] <beuno> didrocks, sergiusens, done
[18:11] <beuno> I;ll be in gtalk for the next hour
[18:11] <beuno> if you need me
[18:11] <didrocks> beuno: excellent, and let's get the real naming on Monday with everything transition
[18:11] <beuno> and then back in IRC
[18:12] <didrocks> thanks again
[18:13] <dansuf> How can I run sernsorservice?
[18:13] <dansuf> sensorservice*
[18:13] <ogra_> your container should run it automatically
[18:14] <ogra_> you can enter it with lxc-xonsole -nandroid -t0 and try to start it manually though
[18:14] <dansuf> ogra_: thanks, i will try it beacuse in logcat i've got many messages "waiting for sensorservice"
[18:17] <c0nd0r> hey I was redirected here with my question. I have ubuntu touch 13.10 on my nexus 4 and I just installed gnome and ran dist-upgrade without apt-get gnome-shell
[18:17] <c0nd0r> and now I have a black screen. can anybody assist
[18:17] <c0nd0r> I really do not want to have to reload using ttwrp
[18:17] <popey> uh
[18:18] <ogra_> there is no X11 support ... gnome wont run
[18:18] <c0nd0r> is there any kind of rescue procedure I can do
[18:18] <popey> you installed gnome shell on your phone?
[18:18] <c0nd0r> I attempted installing gnome with dist-upgrade
[18:18] <popey> on your phone?
[18:18] <c0nd0r> correct
[18:18] <ogra_> heh
[18:18] <c0nd0r> It was working fine. now a black screen
[18:18] <popey> yeah, as ogra_ says that's not going to work.
[18:18]  * ogra_ hands popey some valerian tea
[18:18] <c0nd0r> so what do I do now?
[18:19] <popey> two optinos.
[18:19] <popey> *options
[18:19] <ogra_> re-flash ?
[18:19] <popey> 1. re-flash - quick, easy
[18:19] <c0nd0r> and the other option?
[18:19] <popey> 2. try and unpick what you did
[18:19] <c0nd0r> yes. I can do that in seconds
[18:19] <ogra_> (and also use something up to date ... 13.10 is really old)
[18:19] <popey> apt-get autoremove gnome-shell
[18:19] <popey> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty
[18:19] <popey> \o/
[18:19] <ogra_> well
[18:20] <ogra_> --bootstrap for the first one as well :)
[18:20] <popey> oh, of course.
[18:20] <ogra_> (and be in the bootloader)
[18:20] <c0nd0r> ummm
[18:20] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install covers it nicely ☻
[18:20] <ogra_> right
[18:20] <c0nd0r> I think its going to be a reflash
[18:20] <popey> +1
[18:20] <popey> you know it makes sense
[18:20] <popey> get rid of that smelly gnome
[18:20] <ogra_> yeah
[18:20] <popey> ☻
[18:21] <c0nd0r> I have no idea how to run that procedure with a black screen through the bootloader
[18:21] <ogra_> and of the rusty 13.10
[18:21] <popey> reboot by pressing power and holding it
[18:21] <popey> then when it vibrates on boot, hold VolDown
[18:21] <ogra_> and hold down vol-dn during boot up
[18:22] <dansuf> after running  lxc-console command i've got no shell, when i type sth nothing happens
[18:23] <ogra_> did you use the options i gave ?
[18:23] <dansuf> yeah
[18:23] <ogra_> -nandroid -t0
[18:23] <c0nd0r> not yet. I am slow at this ogra_
[18:23] <c0nd0r> I havent reflashed
[18:23] <ogra_> it might need an empty enter to show the shell prompt
[18:23] <fps> taking a look at the SDK webpages, it seems to be tailored to using Qt Creator
[18:23] <ogra_> c0nd0r, i was answering dansuf
[18:24] <fps> i suppose everything is possible from the commandline, too
[18:24] <dansuf> and i don't know how to close that app
[18:24] <fps> to integrate into different build processes, development environments, etc..
[18:24] <ogra_> dansuf, it should have told you when entering the terminal ... something like ctrl-a+q
[18:25] <popey> fps: yeah, a lot of what we do with qtcreator has scripts behind it, like adb shell this, and click build that...
[18:25] <Tassadar> ctrl+a k, if I remember correctly
[18:25] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# lxc-console -nandroid -t0
[18:25] <ogra_> Connected to tty 0
[18:25] <ogra_> Type <Ctrl+a q> to exit the console, <Ctrl+a Ctrl+a> to enter Ctrl+a itself
[18:25] <fps> popey: ok, i'm in the camp of trying to understand first what needs to be done, so i can lateron trust graphical tools more
[18:26] <Tassadar> ..then I don't remember it correctly)
[18:26] <ogra_> :)
[18:26] <fps> i.e. using ant based builds for android before checking what eclipse can do for me, etc..
[18:26] <ogra_> i wasnt sure either
[18:26] <popey> fps: sounds like a fun packed friday evening ☻
[18:26] <Tassadar> it was k on Ubuntu Desktop on Nexus 7
[18:26] <Tassadar> with that serial console over usb
[18:27] <ogra_> ah, yeah ... the old times :)
[18:27] <fps> popey: :D
[18:27] <timppa> is there a way to increase the screen blanking/lockout time?
[18:28] <ogra_> Tassadar, btw, timppa is your first deb user (well, in this channel at least) :)
[18:28] <ogra_> timppa, not yet, no
[18:28] <timppa> ok
[18:28]  * ogra_ just saw the mail on the ML
[18:28] <Tassadar> yeah, I think several more are trying it out with the multiboot already)
[18:29] <timppa> Tassadar, thank you for the n7 gsm port :)
[18:29] <Tassadar> I didn't do anything, just merged the commits from gerrit rsalveti made and added the device into the "build system" (read: the bash script ran by cron)
[18:29] <timppa> it's working rather well
[18:30] <timppa> :)
[18:31] <Tassadar> I should probably add it to the wiki as well, but the device page seems rather outdated
[18:31] <timppa> that might be helpful to others as well
[18:33] <timppa> just read the ml. Qt5.2 is coming? :)
[18:34] <ogra_> it is already there ...
[18:34] <ogra_> still hiding from the images though ... it is a bit shy
[18:35] <timppa> on the latest build?
[18:35] <timppa> w00t :)
[18:35] <ogra_> no, hiding from the images yet :)
[18:35] <ogra_> (there is no image with it yet)
[18:35] <timppa> ah :)
[18:36] <ogra_> and i woulldnt recommend to use the first few images with 5.2 ... we'll still be sorting out bugs until ... well, probably tuesday
[18:37] <dansuf> lxc-console still gives me no prompt, even after pressing enter
[18:37] <c0nd0r> ogra what is the recommended procedure to upgrade from trusty 13.10
[18:37] <c0nd0r> last time I got black screen running apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:38] <timppa> :) first thing in the morning, ota update the heck out of everything ;)
[18:38] <ogra_> form saucy 13.10 you mean ?
[18:38] <c0nd0r> I am on trusty
[18:38] <ogra_> c0nd0r, apt isnt really supported
[18:38] <c0nd0r> is trusty the latest
[18:38] <dansuf> trusty is 14.04
[18:39] <ogra_> the proper way to upgrade is to use the UI ... alternatively you can use system-image-cli -v via adb if there is a new image available
[18:39] <c0nd0r> ah thats what I have then
[18:39] <c0nd0r> unforunately I thought gnome would work
[18:39] <ogra_> no, there is no X11
[18:39] <ogra_> nothing that uses X11 will work
[18:39] <c0nd0r> i saw an article where it was supported
[18:39] <c0nd0r> guess not
[18:40] <ogra_> nope ... not on the phone/tablet images
[18:40] <ogra_> they use Mir
[18:41] <c0nd0r> gotcha. thanks
[18:41] <c0nd0r> phone back up and running
[18:41] <c0nd0r> :)
[18:41] <timppa> Tassadar: should the n7 work as phone also? Data works but calls fail
[18:42] <rsalveti> not sure if the hardware is able to do voice calls
[18:42] <fps> one could implement an x server
[18:42] <timppa> ok
[18:42] <fps> then x apps would work ;D
[18:43] <fps> in a crappy way
[18:43] <dansuf> I still didn't manage to get the prompt in lxc-console using arguments -nandroid -t0
[18:44] <fps> i'd love to have that though. hookup keyboard and mouse and have a normal desktop session on the phone (albeit small)
[18:44] <fps> would be awesome
[18:44] <dansuf> yeah and i would love to get ubuntu touch working
[18:45] <dansuf> i am trying to port it to my not so popular (i think its not) phone
[18:46] <fps> i just bit the bullet and got myself a nexus 4
[18:46] <fps> just for ubuntu touch. otherwise my htc desire hd was still fine (even got kitkat on it)
[18:48] <dansuf> If I could afford a new phone I would really have better ways to spend that money
[18:48] <fps> btw: this link: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-mainview.html is dead. linked from here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/building_your_first_qml_app/
[18:48] <dansuf> Thgat's why I work with my current model
[18:48] <fps> dansuf: what device do you have?
[18:49] <dansuf> Sony Ericsson Live With Walkman
[18:49] <dansuf> codename: coconut
[18:49] <fps> sounds rather esoteric :D
[18:51] <dansuf> I believe sensormanager is something that doesnt have to work to get a working system so I'll try to disable it
[18:52] <fps> hm, it also seems the introductory example doesn't follow the style guidelines
[18:52] <fps> [missing the spacer between heading and content]
[19:04] <taiebot> Finally managed to get 3g working thanks to https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06868.html
[19:04] <taiebot> I think it should be put somewhere maybe on the wiki.
[19:06] <taiebot> But to set up an APN you just need to cd /usr/share/ofono/scripts/ python create-internet-context yourapnhere and reboot
[19:29] <fps> btw: should there be something like the ubuntu software center installed on the phone?
[19:32] <fps> or what's the preferred way to search/install apps
[19:32] <fps> ?
[19:33] <ogra_> the applications page
[19:33] <pmcgowan> fps, the app scope in the dash, there is a search option or can browse all the more suggestions
[19:34] <fps> ogra_: aha, on the applications page it only lists installed ones
[19:34] <fps> pmcgowan: aha
[19:34] <ogra_> fps, are you online ?
[19:34] <fps> ogra_: actually had wifi off
[19:34] <fps> turning it on
[19:34] <ogra_> it pulls the list of available apps dynamically
[19:35] <fps> ogra_: hmm ok
[19:36] <fps> pmcgowan: forgive my ignorance, but a] what's the "dash"? and b] what's a "scope"?
[19:36] <fps> ;D
[19:36] <pmcgowan> fps, we call the "desktop"ish space the dash
[19:37] <fps> e.g. the home screen?
[19:37] <pmcgowan> scopes are elements that expose content in the dash, so you see music scope, app scope, etc
[19:37] <pmcgowan> yes home screen
[19:37] <pmcgowan> and other screens
[19:37] <fps> yeah, ok, i see my music in the home screen
[19:37] <pmcgowan> scopes search for local and/or remote content
[19:37] <fps> and in the applications screen i have some dash plugins listed
[19:37] <pmcgowan> and one scope can include content from other scopes
[19:38] <pmcgowan> right you can sortof treat scopes like apps
[19:38] <fps> so scopes are just some sort of data provider for the dash
[19:38] <fps> ok
[19:38] <pmcgowan> make them a favorite, etc, an updated desigbn will be landing shortly
[19:38] <pmcgowan> yes
[19:38] <fps> ok, so on the application screen i have three scopes: 1] recent apps, 2] installed apps, 3] dash plugins
[19:39] <pmcgowan> yep
[19:39] <pmcgowan> I think they are three but could be implemented as fewer scopes
[19:39] <pmcgowan> could be one scope looking for three types of things
[19:40] <fps> ok, so if i go back to the home screen
[19:40] <pmcgowan> when the new desigb lands it will be even more obvious
[19:40] <fps> there's an application scope and a music scope
[19:40] <pmcgowan> right
[19:40] <fps> and in the indicator bar at the top there's a search button that i can click
[19:40] <fps> that one searched only locally
[19:40] <fps> let me try again with the net enabled
[19:41] <pmcgowan> fps, home scope is only showing local data yes
[19:42] <fps> ah, i still had a terminology hangup
[19:42] <fps> on the application scope the search button only searches locally, too
[19:42] <fps> hmm
[19:45] <pmcgowan> fps, it will search the store as well
[19:45] <pmcgowan> then just touch an app and you get the option to install it
[19:46] <fps> pmcgowan: hmm,so just be more patient? ok
[19:46] <pmcgowan> should be quick actually
[19:47] <fps> then it's not working.. or my search term doesn't have any hits
[19:47] <fps> "sync"
[19:47] <fps> ;D
[19:47] <pmcgowan> could be
[19:47] <pmcgowan> try cats
[19:47] <fps> nothing..
[19:47] <fps> oh well
[19:48] <pmcgowan> do you see apps under More suggestions?
[19:48] <fps> there's no "more suggestions"
[19:48] <fps> i only have threee sections on the applications scope
[19:49] <fps> 1] recent apps 2] installed and 3] dash plugins
[19:54] <fps> oh well, seems i broke the thing pretty quickly ;D
[19:58] <pmcgowan> fps, then you are not online?
[19:58] <fps> pmcgowan: i checked with the browser
[19:58] <fps> pmcgowan: i am online
[19:59] <pmcgowan> oh sorry
[19:59] <fps> still no search results for "cat"
[19:59] <pmcgowan> you need to login to the ubuntu one account first
[19:59] <pmcgowan> using settings online accounts
[19:59] <fps> ok, i don't have one
[19:59] <fps> dammit
[19:59] <pmcgowan> I thought you would still see then without one though
[19:59] <fps> i thought i was rid of the forced account nonsense..
[19:59] <fps> ok..
[20:00] <fps> thanks.. i will resort to using apt-get then ;D
[20:00] <pmcgowan> its still under consideration, its there to help users recover the apps they get
[20:00] <pmcgowan> fps, well the apps are all click packages, they will get exposed via a web api at some point
[20:00] <fps> hmm, it does make sense for billing purposes, etc..
[20:01] <fps> pmcgowan: cool
[20:01] <fps> and maybe also for persistence across devices, etc.. but please, dear god, don't make it mandatory :D
[20:02] <pmcgowan> right
[20:02] <fps> oh well, it's open source after all, and more than android at that..
[20:02] <fps> so if i don't like it i could change it ;D
[20:02] <fps> so it's all good..
[20:04] <thumperest> hello everyone
[20:05] <fps> yo
[20:06] <beuno> fps, can you access: https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?q=cat
[20:07] <beuno> that's the URL the api is hitting
[20:07] <fps> beuno: from the browser on the phone?
[20:07] <beuno> fps, yes
[20:08] <beuno> if you can, then there's some problem locally
[20:08] <fps> i guess i can check that with wget in adb shell
[20:08] <beuno> if you can't, there's a network problem
[20:08] <fps> works fine with wget
[20:09] <fps> beuno: pmcgowan also found the issue though i think. i'm not logged into a ubuntu one account
[20:09] <pmcgowan> he tells me thats not needed
[20:09] <beuno> fps, well, as you can see, that URL is not authenticated
[20:09] <beuno> as wget just passed it through
[20:09] <beuno> maybe the scope does something else kind of funky
[20:09] <fps> beuno: true. other application logic might check the logged in state though?
[20:09] <fps> ok
[20:09] <beuno> so it would be good to log in and see if that fixes
[20:09] <beuno> it
[20:10] <fps> hmm, i suppose i will have to create an account then.. open the ubuntu one app, etc?
[20:10] <fps> sorry, complete noob here. just flashed this baby a couple of hours ago..
[20:10] <beuno> now that I think about it, I'm sure it's not that
[20:10] <beuno> as the account thing comes into play when you try and download
[20:10] <beuno> alecu_, ping?
[20:11] <fps> maybe i'm completely stupid though or we have a total misunderstanding
[20:11] <alecu_> beuno: pong
[20:11] <beuno> fps, http://login.ubuntu.com/
[20:11]  * alecu_ reads backlog
[20:11] <beuno> alecu_, can you confirm the click scope doesn't need you to have a U1 account to search and show results?
[20:11] <fps> we're talking about the little search button at the top of the screen of the "applications" screen/scope
[20:11] <fps> ?
[20:12] <alecu_> beuno: the click scope needs no credentials to search and to show details for a given result
[20:12] <alecu_> beuno, fps: credentials are only asked when about to install
[20:12] <fps> ok
[20:12] <alecu_> I mean, about to start the download and install.
[20:12]  * fps doesn't want to steal your time with noobiness and lack of l33tn3ss
[20:14] <alecu_> fps: try doing a search with the tiny magnifying glass, in the "Applications" page.
[20:15] <fps> alecu_: you mean at the top of the screen? left of the different indicators?
[20:15] <fps> that's the search button i meant above
[20:15] <pmcgowan> fps, you need to be on the applications page in the dash
[20:15] <fps> pmcgowan: i am. The one titled "Applications"
[20:15] <pmcgowan> right
[20:16] <fps> is there a way to debug the communication of the components maybe? syslog? dbus monitoring?
[20:18] <alecu_> fps: plug your phone, and on your pc do: adb shell tail -f /home/phablet/.cache/unity-scope-click.log
[20:18] <fps> ok
[20:19] <fps> http://pastebin.com/Rae1SzU8
[20:19] <fps> this is what shows after hitting the search for "cat"
[20:20] <pmcgowan> online search is off? alecu_
[20:20] <fps> oh, it's my noobiness
[20:21] <fps> yes
[20:21] <fps> i'm very sorry for stealing your time
[20:21] <pmcgowan> hah
[20:21] <pmcgowan> you disabled it I think
[20:21] <pmcgowan> I forgot one could do that
[20:21] <fps> when i first flashed the device i went through the settings and disabled the online search for the dash
[20:21] <fps> not knowing what i was
[20:21] <fps> ;D
[20:21] <pmcgowan> there you go
[20:21] <pmcgowan> hey it worked
[20:21] <fps> indeed
[20:21] <alecu_> I'm pretty sure sergiusens will love to be reminded about that setting
[20:22]  * fps feels bad now
[20:22] <pmcgowan> np
[20:22] <sergiusens> alecu_, lol :-)
[20:24] <alecu_> pmcgowan: I had completely forgotten about that too. I think we should somehow show that in the UI when doing searches, like a small yellow bar somewhere that says "online searches are off", or "your network is disconnected"
[20:24] <pmcgowan> absolutely
[20:24] <alecu_> fps: would you mind opening a bug in ubuntu-scope-click about that? I can help you with that
[20:25] <dansuf> is that bad when there are no files in /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system, data and cache?
[20:25] <fps> alecu_: sure. i think i once had a launchpad account before there was the big hacking some moons ago
[20:25] <fps> alecu_: dunno if it still works.. let's see
[20:26] <fps> or was the hack targetting the ubuntu forums? can't remember.. let's see
[20:26] <alecu_> fps: please report the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+filebug
[20:26] <asomething> Anyone else seeing problems with user metrics? It still just displaying "No data sources available" even though I've done things today which should update it...
[20:26] <alecu_> fps: the hack targetted the forums, right
[20:27] <pmcgowan> asomething, it should not say that, should say no text messages etc
[20:27] <fps> alecu_: i guess it's not really a bug report though, but rather a feature request or. well, let's see.
[20:27] <asomething> pmcgowan, any idea how to go about debugging it?
[20:28] <fps> title: "When doing searches in the UI there should be an indicator that searches are only local"
[20:28] <fps> does that capture the spirit?
[20:28] <alecu_> fps: I would argue that it's a bug if it takes four people thirty minutes to figure out :-)
[20:28] <fps> fair enough
[20:30] <pmcgowan> asomething, sorry I dont
[20:30] <pmcgowan> asomething, have you made changes to your install?
[20:30] <asomething> nope, it's still read-only
[20:30] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:31] <pmcgowan> asomething, which build is it?
[20:31] <asomething> r237
[20:32] <fps> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1292700
[20:35] <pmcgowan> asomething, I am checking to see how to debug
[20:37] <asomething> ps aux | grep "usermetricsservice"  shows that the service is running
[20:37] <fps> making good UIs is hard. to find the right balance of information density and discoverability is an art
[20:37] <pmcgowan> asomething, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/+bug/1286276
[20:38] <fps> one that i'm not good at. that's why almost all software i write avoids guis ;D
[20:38] <pmcgowan> asomething, I suspect a reboot will fix it
[20:39] <asomething> pmcgowan, Sadly not. I've definitely rebooted today. More than once even...
[20:39] <fps> btw: if i want to familiarize myself with the whole system from the general arcitecture working down to aspects that interest me, what would you guys point me at?
[20:39] <fps> the source? ;D
[20:40] <pmcgowan> asomething, please comment on that bug then, although there is a bit of a rewrite coming, so it may take time to see a fix
[20:41] <asomething> pmcgowan, will do. thanks
[20:48] <dansuf> Logcat is spamming with messages that it's waiting for sensorservice and surfaceflinger. I've got black screen. Do these messages prevent booting ubuntu?
[20:54] <dansuf> Also I've got this in /home/phablet/.xsession-errors:
[20:54] <dansuf> Mount failed for selinuxfs on /sys/fs/selinux:  No such file or directory
[20:54] <dansuf> init: window-stack-bridge main process (1055) killed by SEGV signal
[21:11] <alecu_> fps: thanks for the bug report. What do you mean by "the whole system"?
[21:11] <alecu_> fps: the whole "ubuntu touch" operating system? or the dash/scopes UI?
[21:19] <dansuf> I am porting touch to ny device and I still have go a black screen. Does any of these errors caouse it? http://pastebin.com/ZiXe5UMC
[21:41] <dansuf> I've got this error in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log and I think this is the cause of lightdm's stop on boot
[21:41] <dansuf> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<std::runtime_error> >'
[21:41] <dansuf>   what():  error during hwc set()
[21:41] <dansuf> Aborted (core dumped)
[21:41] <dansuf> May it be connected with wrong udev rules for gpu?
[21:49] <fps> alecu_: i meant the whole software stack that you get after installing ubuntu touch on a phone :D
[21:49] <fps> alecu_: and re your comments on the bug report:
[21:50] <fps> i was just entering this:
[21:50] <fps> Or maybe show different sections in the search results.
[21:50] <fps> One section for the phone local results, one section for results from ubuntu one, etc..
[21:50] <fps> the section could then indicate that it is disabled
[21:51] <fps> but from your sample screenshot it looks like you're using a different version than me anyways..
[21:51] <fps> so i might misinterpret that screen
[21:53] <dansuf> I don't know hot to find udev rulees for egl for my phone
[21:54] <cwayne_> huh, wanted to try out go + qml, but it seems to be broken
[22:06] <sergiusens> cwayne_, how so?
[22:06] <sergiusens> cwayne_, those gl examples probably won't work in an egl only environment
[22:07] <cwayne_> sergiusens, nm, i was missing deps
[22:07] <sergiusens> k
[22:07] <cwayne_> i thought the 5.2.1 transition broke it
[22:07] <cwayne_> was too quick to assume :)
[22:09] <popey> you know what assumption does!
[22:09] <popey> ☻
[22:11] <dansuf> I think I have udev issues with egl. Can somebody help me?
[22:16] <matv1> popey do you remember if anything ever came of  https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart-app-launch/+bug/1270975
[22:17] <popey> matv1: i think it was determined to not be a problem (that error message)
[22:17] <matv1> okay. i ran into something very similar this morning
[22:18] <matv1> and remember it happening a couple of times before that
[22:18] <matv1> i did a bug report for it
[22:18] <matv1> its 1292725
[22:21] <popey> bug 1292725
[22:21] <matv1> yes
[22:22] <matv1> and i have definitely seen that before on quite a few occasions
[22:32] <nik90> popey: erm when I do a update, it is trying to remove ubuntu-sdk, ubuntu-sdk-libs and so on
[22:32] <nik90> popey: is this expected?
[22:32] <popey> nik90: on your desktop?
[22:32] <nik90> popey: yes on the desktop 14.04
[22:32] <popey> apt-cache policy ubuntu-sdk
[22:33] <popey>   Installed: 1.111
[22:33] <popey>   Candidate: 1.113
[22:33] <nik90> popey: yup I see the same output
[22:33] <popey> any ppa listed?
[22:33] <nik90> http://imgur.com/TDc7N2s
[22:33] <nik90> checking now
[22:34] <nik90> I have the core apps and the phablet tools PPA
[22:34] <popey> hm
[22:34] <nik90> the SDK ppa is not enabled
[22:34] <popey> i bet its the core apps ppa
[22:34] <popey> can you ppa purge it, update and dist-upgrade again and see if that does it?
[22:34] <nik90> ok
[22:36] <nik90> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7092713/
[22:38]  * popey suspects some of that sdk stuff is built against qt 5.0x
[22:38] <popey> and needs rebuilding
[23:10] <mhall119> bzoltan: it doesn't look like qtc is passing my cmake flags to the chroot
[23:12] <dansuf> Black screen, surfaceflinger, unity8 and maliit-server are being killed and respawned, any tips?
[23:13] <dansuf> I mean, surfaceflinger is used, not mir and it's not killed, just the two other processes
[23:40] <mhall119> hmmm, something is failing due to GLES, something something