=== Monotoko is now known as Guest45910 === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:13] hmm whats the need for 2 wireless networks on vm [05:13] 1 ghz and 1 2.4 [05:14] mapps: what do you mean? [05:14] 1x 5GHz and 1x 2.4? [05:14] well [05:14] yea [05:14] and what hardware you need for that? [05:14] er oops i said 1ghz and 1 2.4 [05:14] client side or access point side? [05:14] just the standard router they give us [05:14] i just wondered why [05:15] mapps: the 2.4 band is quite full, with other wifi networks, DECT, bluetooth, and lots of other things [05:15] ah will interfere with it? [05:15] so why not just use the 5ghz only?# [05:15] on 5GHz there are way more channels, with less overlap [05:15] 5GHz doesn't go through walls as well [05:16] And not every client device has a 5GHz radio, so backwards compatibility [05:16] good point [05:16] just looks funny haviong 4 wireless [05:16] 2 for BT FTC and 2 for Virgin media [05:17] I gave my 5GHz and 2.4GHz the same name + crypto [05:17] so my phone and laptop switch to the best signal automagically [05:54] morning everyone [05:54] mornin [05:59] morning [06:14] hey Myrtti mapps :) [06:14] how are you doin :- [06:18] wondering what to do today:D using last of my holiday been off since saturday till next weds [06:18] so i slept like 8pm-4am last night lol..so i guess il be sleeping odd hoursd today O_o [06:19] broke my laptop screen too..so there's another fun job for me [06:20] 3rd laptop screen ive had to replace:) [06:20] I would realy like to try installing the ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 2013 [06:20] just wondering how hard that is [06:20] ah yes [06:20] good idea Knightwise [06:20] i meant to try that too [06:20] but haven't got round to it..ive got the first Nexus7 im guessing mines 2012? [06:22] anyone know where the official documentation (and the official image on that is ? ) [06:22] ya [06:22] thewebsite [06:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [06:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [06:24] ah ok , that will give me a weekend project [06:24] ja looks like a long job [06:25] but can you also have the terminal apps like irssi and stuff on there ? [06:25] not sure [06:27] looks like it . [06:27] * Knightwise wondering if he should upgrade yet [06:27] yea you should try it [06:27] im going to [06:27] i just hadn't yet because it looked like a long process LOL [06:31] o/ [06:33] its like 10 mins work to get touch on your device... [06:35] pffft [06:35] looks like a lot of reading [06:35] :D [06:35] not really. but then again, I did have popey helping me :D [06:35] bwahahahah [06:36] :) [06:37] * Knightwise will wait till popey gets here :p [06:42] morning all [06:43] upgrading? [06:43] nexus 7 to ubuntu touch [06:44] ah cool [06:46] oh btw, just a feeling of how good my week has been - we had this picture made on Wednesday :) http://is.gd/dsCGtK [06:46] * jussi grinsd [06:47] oooooo wonderful :) congrats [06:48] jussi is pregnant! [06:48] unless im looking at the photo wrong [06:48] mapps: not I, but hte wife... :D [06:48] :) [06:48] first child? [06:48] mapps: second [06:49] ah [06:49] congrats :) [06:49] yes congrats jussi [06:49] thanks MooDoo, mapps :D [06:49] No you can join the 2 kids club ;) [06:49] s/no/now [06:49] ;] [06:50] 2 kids.sounds like a fulltime job! [06:50] it is :) [06:50] enough of a chore doing all the boring stuff for myself [06:50] mine are 5 and 2 :) [06:50] the cooking/cleaning all the really exciting stuff [06:51] mapps: your life changes. [06:51] (when you have kids) [06:51] i can imagine [06:51] both good and bad [06:51] i live on my own and have pretty much no rules [06:51] +1 [06:51] mapps: shut it [06:51] ;) [06:51] beyond pay my bills and go to work [06:51] lol [06:51] i still have to go to work!! [06:52] I love work, especially when I get home and smell the pooey nappies ;) [06:52] this first dates show on channel4 is so funny..hilarious when the daters dont get on [06:52] if they got on wouldn't be amusing at all lol [06:52] oh got I can't watch that type of program too cringe worthy :) [06:52] its so funny mate [06:52] when the girls like 'yea bill please' and they havent ordered [06:52] LOL [06:53] I end up wanting to punch the tv :) [06:53] 2 drinks and done..couldnt stand each other [06:54] this women cheated on her husband with a 22 yr old, shes like 40 and she's trying to claim its something to do with being bi-polar [06:54] err...do me a favour [06:55] lol ha ha ha ha [06:55] everytime I watch these shows, any reality shows i figure i wouldnt get on with like 99% of people [06:55] yeah we hate you too ;) [06:55] lol mwah! [06:55] lol [06:55] you havent been on any [06:55] ! [06:56] im guessing:) [06:56] no chance, I'm not that stupid [06:56] hay lets go on telly sound deperate and show people how dumb I am :) [06:56] I do that enough in RL ;) [06:56] yea i can do without it [06:56] i dont need to be on tv no desire [06:57] i dont need attention..not a five year old [07:10] the absolute worst reality tv show is.... (finish the sentence) [07:12] jussi: are wildcards supported? :) [07:12] _1 [07:12] nigelb: no :P [07:12] I'm a celeb....... [07:13] MooDoo: what was that horrible one from wales? The Valley or something? [07:13] no idea, I dread to thinkg [07:13] hahaha yea ive seen it [07:13] the valleys [07:13] hideous [07:15] MooDoo: stay as far away as you possibly can [07:15] * jussi shivers. [07:15] hehe:) [08:02] morning all [08:02] morning popey [08:02] popey: does Sky come and nibble you when you need to say something on a work Hangout? I just had that experience, it's a bit annoying trying to shove the cat off while talking [08:02] heh [08:02] Salem does [08:03] almost strangled the cat with my headphone lead [08:04] he mostly climbs on my desk during hangouts [08:04] https://plus.google.com/u/0/100016383867666174158/posts/Qvv711jG3UD <-- this morning [08:05] awwwww [08:05] http://imgur.com/3eIlcf7,gMe1S0c,97unblf,3DzW4a4,S1cd4v0,NvnoyAD,MHgWwMs,7cGpFDK,8DXGhuS,H8ReRsA [08:05] happens a fair amount [08:05] http://imgur.com/nSRJKwE,e4WTn08,DFbbAxE,P7OdIfw,sxeVqlg,dYnZfMT,7skcCCX,Xw9fzcP,JA3jOuD,tiRxP5n,iEPe4m7,gKitRqB,ay9ePyP,U3pjgz6,1oeqIU5,OszGF9S,YwCO9qV,IYOjYBg,DugCqLJ,Thlz1Wt,BTIIDpA,2veaRql,I9mOn1t,PoqPb4z,mYWWbNW,28BCHpQ [08:06] means I get to do the cat-stache http://imgur.com/28BCHpQ [08:06] Knightwise: wassup? [08:09] hey popey :à [08:09] might start playing around with putting ubuntu toch on the nexus 7 today :) [08:09] nexus 7 2012 or 2013? [08:10] 2013 [08:10] I thought i read something that it was now officially supported ? [08:10] yeah, it is [08:11] I mostly read books and watch video"s on my tablet .. so i think i can switch it over... [08:12] not sure if there is an ebook reader out there on touch. [08:12] there is, it displays epubs [08:12] upstream is a nice guy, has a bugtracker on github [08:12] Beru [08:13] and do you know if you can run terminal apps in ubuntu touch ? [08:19] Knightwise: it has a terminal [08:20] the default image is read-only, but that's easily changed, and you could apt-get install stuff [08:20] the downside with that is you lose whatever you apt-got when you do an over the air update [08:20] swings and roundabouts [08:26] popey: sounds cool. So i could install stuff like irssi and all the command line apps ? [08:26] yes [08:26] add keyboard and mouse and I have the smallest ubuntu machine in the house ? [08:26] Knightwise: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-06-11-083953.png [08:26] * drool * [08:27] nexus 7 + wireshark + public wifi somewhere ... [08:27] i think the word "Terminal" needs to be bigger [08:34] And you can just flash it with an ubuntu machine .. right ? [08:36] yes [08:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [08:37] using a better power supply for the beaglebone. The previous one was only about 300mA [08:37] so it would grey out if you tried to compile a kernel :) [08:51] You know its a bad start to the day when you think there's something wrong with your new glasses, then realise that they're fine and its just foggy [08:51] heh [08:52] Friday was poached egg on toast day [08:52] It can only go downhill from here [08:52] this is really cool to come accross :D http://www.ohwr.org/ [08:52] Bacon & sausage barm for me [08:53] cornflakes... [08:53] poached egg and tomato nomnomnom [08:53] i had eggs and bacon:D [08:53] popey: only beer can make it better :D [08:53] \o/ #breakfast-uk [08:53] washed down with a FULL FAT COKE [08:53] none of this diet/zero taste nonsense [08:53] :) [08:54] coke for breakfast? [08:54] yea i fancied one [08:54] ☻ [08:54] * popey likes Pepsi Max [08:54] didn't have any juice so it was water/tea or coke [08:55] I splurged and brewed a pot of Yorkshire [08:55] * neuro is on the Diet Irn-Bru [08:55] having drunk Twinings English Breakfast for a week the difference is very noticeable [08:55] well, two weeks [08:55] and i'm just about to go out and get rolls and bacon and brown sauce [08:55] diet drinks are so horrible. not only taste, but aspartame is really nasty stuff. [08:56] says you [08:56] what is it Myrtti? fancy tea? [08:56] yes jussi aspartame causes the cancer! [08:56] zero sugar..zero taste! [08:57] mapps: Yorkshire? just plain tea. [08:57] diet irn bru tastes fine to me [08:57] so does fanta zero, diet 7up and diet coke with cherry [08:57] the engliosh breakfast you talked of [08:57] i didnt know there was a diet coke w/cherry [08:57] yup [08:57] ugh [08:57] 400kb/s [08:57] on VM atm, why's it so slow [08:57] it's a black cherry flavour rather than the red cherry that you get in full fat cherry coke [08:58] wish i could link my VM + BT [08:58] but feels like it'd be too much effort [08:58] mapps: no, just plain tea too http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=256431702 [08:58] * neuro hugs his 2x80Mbps VDSL2 lines and wanders off for BACON [09:03] I had a continental/Yorkshire breakfast [09:05] popey: what was the url again (it scrolled offscreen) [09:13] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Ask A Question Day! :-D [09:13] JamesTait: Why? [09:13] MartijnVdS, what? [09:13] how? [09:13] Who wants to know? [09:13] Oh, the Answer a Question day is on Monday? [09:14] nigelb, where did you hear that? [09:14] Is anyone keeping track of these questions, so we can answer them on Monday? [09:15] MooDoo, did you need something from me last night? [09:15] JamesTait: I didn't. Do you know if it is? [09:15] JamesTait: not really, just wanted to say thnaks for posting the job advert on FB :) [09:16] MooDoo, did you see that I "liked" your comment on FB? [09:16] MooDoo, also, did you realise you just broke the chain of questions? :-P [09:16] nigelb, does such a thing even exist? [09:17] Don't you think it would be a good thing to exist? [09:18] Knightwise: google for ubuntu touch install ☻ [09:18] JamesTait: yes and no [09:19] nigelb, but where will it end? [09:19] Knightwise https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [09:23] Good morning peeps :) [09:25] bigcalm: hello [09:28] got it :) backing up now :-) [09:30] let me know how easy it is..i may try it after [09:33] hahah :) ok mapps :) i'll be your beta tester [09:35] BAAAAAAAAAACOOOOOOOOON! (to be screamed as though shouting "captain caveman") [09:35] o/ BACON! [09:35] i bet most of you whippersnappers won't even remember Captain Caveman without googling for it [09:35] someone needs their ADD meds [09:35] ooonga Mooonga ! [09:36] * Knightwise remembers [09:36] IDDQD meds? [09:36] MartijnVdS: IDKFA! [09:36] \o/ [09:36] MooDoo: IDSPISPOPD [09:36] oh boy [09:36] its friday .. right ? [09:36] no [09:36] blast from the past :D [09:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD36ZhpHPpE [09:37] due to unforeseen technical difficulties, we've had to rollback to Thursday [09:37] sorry about that [09:37] Captain Caveman was great! [09:39] * Knightwise should have probably deleted the videos and mp3's off his nexus before running the backup [09:39] CAPTAIN [09:39] CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE [09:39] ____ ___ _______ __ __ _ _ _ _ [09:39] / ___| / \ \ / / ____| \/ | / \ | \ | | | [09:39] | | / _ \ \ / /| _| | |\/| | / _ \ | \| | | [09:39] | |___ / ___ \ V / | |___| | | |/ ___ \| |\ |_| [09:39] \____/_/ \_\_/ |_____|_| |_/_/ \_\_| \_(_) [09:39] [09:39] ROFL ! ! ! ! [09:39] oh dear god no, let the pain stop :) [09:40] ROLL AND [09:40] ___ _ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___ ___ _ _ _ _ [09:40] | _ ) /_\ /_\ /_\ /_\ / __/ _ \ / _ \ / _ \| \| | \| | [09:40] | _ \/ _ \ / _ \ / _ \ / _ \ (_| (_) | (_) | (_) | .` | .` | [09:40] |___/_/ \_\/_/ \_\/_/ \_\/_/ \_\___\___/ \___/ \___/|_|\_|_|\_| [09:41] http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/caveman.jpg [09:41] remember this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOKAU8chsAA [09:41] bravestarr was rubbish [09:41] our comic book store had all the action figures in a collection last week [09:42] any train nerds in here? [09:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmlSNvOQnkE And this [09:43] proto he-man [09:43] discount buck rogers [09:44] LOL [09:44] true [09:44] * Knightwise watched some star trek animated series last week [09:44] biddy biddy biddy [09:45] gill gerard was cool in his day [09:45] this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExC6OEQazrc - is still the greatest kids tv show of the 80s though [09:45] gil gerard has been popping up in the star trek new voyages / phase II fan series [09:45] I loved that [09:45] ahahaha YES [09:46] neuro: my fave show ever!!!!!! http://youtu.be/U6Ng7VMqet0 [09:46] gotta love weird puppets [09:46] EEEEY OOOP LITTLE OLD LAAAADYYYYY [09:46] hehe [09:47] he [09:47] i htought that show was called Bomber-X [09:47] Knightwise: it was [09:47] but the dubbed UK version was redone [09:48] GREAT SPOTTED DRAAAAAGONNNN! [09:49] cool , nice to find that [09:49] I think i should download a couple of epps [09:49] same as Battle of the Planets was really Science Ninja Team Gatchaman, with some added bits (mainly 7-Zark-7) [09:53] i LOVED battle of the planets [09:53] I hated that little robot though [09:53] you'd probably love Gatchaman then, since he's not in it ;) [09:54] this is the french intro to "star fleet" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiScuDJPR2g [09:55] looking back .. its terrible [09:55] wow, that's cheesy [09:56] that looks more like the closing titles [09:56] i know , because of french cultural law 80% of tv shows need to be in french [09:56] so they dubbed EVERYTHING [09:57] dubbing should be a capital crime [09:57] magic roundabout? [09:57] without a doubt : the worst one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMNX1NRC7q0 [09:57] this is the japanese original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GisZ07wsiVY [09:58] i think we got the best deal to be honest [09:59] and yeah, that was the closing credits [09:59] opening credits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umubCnZ4PRY [10:01] did anyone else watch the japanese thunderbirds cartoon? [10:01] Thunderbirds 2086? [10:01] yes [10:02] haha [10:02] original title was 科学救助隊テクノボイジャ [10:02] Scientific Rescue Team Techno Voyager [10:02] "loosely inspired", but ITC bought the UK rights and rebranded it Thunderbirds [10:03] I think i remember that [10:03] it used to be on kids tv in the 80s... [10:04] i don't remember watching it [10:04] interesting though that the UK opening titles are like terrahawks ... [10:04] well i expect those are totally original [10:05] ? [10:05] well duh [10:05] the "computer" graphics stuff [10:05] since the japanese original wasn't called Thunderbirds 2086 :) [10:05] youtube-dl .. i love you [10:06] TB actually stood for "TechnoBoyager" but obviously a homage to "Thunderbird" [10:06] japanese opening titles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yzMSTsKbhk [10:07] oh, same music, heh [10:08] they don't make kids shows like this any more [10:08] Morning all [10:09] about 20 people were killed in the first 5 minutes [10:09] not in western cartoons [10:09] in fact that was one of the things they edited out of Gatchaman when making Battle of the Planets [10:10] yeah i guess what i meant was they don't SHOW kids tv like this any more [10:11] HAHAHA "stun gun" - yeah right [10:12] neuro: reminds me more of battle of the planets :) [10:17] morning boys and girls. [10:18] morning [10:18] morning mapps [10:20] I vaguely remember battle of the planets [10:20] wasn't it a cartoon in which htere were a lot of exploding space ships? [10:21] Yeah, and again, five young people [10:21] What is it with Japan and teams of 5 young people [10:21] neuro: or battle of the planets merged with thunderbirds maybe :D [10:21] fab 5 [10:21] BATTLE OF THE THUNDERBIRDS [10:22] they should have crossed battle of the planets with the magic roundabout [10:29] sweet [10:29] new laptop screen arrived! [10:29] only ordered it yesterday:) [10:29] :) [10:30] wow that's quick [10:40] nice [10:55] ya [10:55] but [10:55] they are only up the road judging by the postcode [10:56] yea 30mins in a car [11:01] mapps: maybe drive there next time and it will be 30 mins rather than an entire day ;) [11:03] i dont have a car :( [11:03] so itd be a nice long walk heh === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:15] Cool, Katherine Legge will be racing in Formula E! :D http://www.fiaformulae.com/drivers [11:33] electric racing series? fancy [11:34] and hooray. the lack of female drivers in motorsports is silly, especially considering small lightweight drivers are preferred [11:37] hmph, the test driver for our local team died. that's sad. [11:38] directhex: oh thats crap :/ [11:38] but yeah, the Electric series looks really interesting. [11:38] Should spell a lot of development in batteries and so on [11:40] jussi, she had a nasty crash in 2012, apparently caused her to not wake up in late 2013 [11:40] directhex: ouch. Has happened to the best of them though [11:41] what is forumla e? [11:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_de_Villota [11:43] mapps: like formula 1, but electric [11:44] most motorsport is in the local area here [11:44] which is probably something to do with silverstone being down the road [11:47] directhex: I went and drove a mclaren the other day :D [11:47] (at 3 sisters in wigan [11:50] anyone have a 4000-series or older radeon? [11:52] not I, mostly intel with a smattering of nvidia here [11:52] yes, loads of motorsport around here. [11:54] poor women, why did you deliberately run them over [12:00] it seems sad really, if comedians have nothing better to do, the bbc commisions them to do chat shows. [12:05] Yeah, but it's discovered that if you fire them they become political activists (Russell Brand) [12:14] russell brand shouldnt have anyhting to do with either imo. [12:15] he is a nut. [12:17] mmmm... hot english mustard [12:18] also, horseradish sauce is something I need to see if I can find here... [12:18] Myrtti: know if its possible to get it here? [12:23] hm [12:23] installed fedora on my desktop and now its not got vista listed in the boot menu for grub [12:23] mapps: does it also ahve a Windows partition? [12:24] yea [12:24] or a recovery partition [12:24] it shows windows 7 [12:24] heh.. someone's detection is outdated [12:24] what a pain [12:24] so i need to manually edit grub [12:25] brobostigon: A well educated Nut :) [12:26] davmor2: good point, yes. [12:27] I find it mildly amusing that most comedians are university graduates as are most ageing rockstars :D [12:27] hello davmor2 [12:28] davmor2: the stupid rockstars drugged themselves into an early grave? [12:29] MartijnVdS: haha [12:29] More like the working class guys didn't have time to practise guitar [12:30] hmm [12:30] os-prober only finding windows 7 [12:31] keith moon, for example. [12:33] ooh, cool, there will be an event in london (formula e) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:41] fair bit of wind here now... [12:46] 5mph wind here. [12:56] awilkins: more like working class guys could afford the instruments [12:59] like mark knopfler. [13:03] brobostigon: we've got somewhere about a 7 on the beaufort scale. [13:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale [13:04] maybe an 8 [13:07] jussi: i shall have to work out how to convert the scales. [13:07] :D [13:08] Wind speeds are always in "Beaufort scale" numbers on weather reports here in .nl [13:08] i think i saw a way to display beaufort scaling on my pebbles weather app. [13:10] how could i abbreviate beaufort to fit on my watchface? [13:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpcAd__qHP0 Baufort scale sketch from mitchell & webb... [13:11] they have a sketch for everything [13:12] indeed they do [13:12] its one of my faves [13:12] the homeopathic a&e one is also a classic [13:12] i used to go to sleep listening to mitchell & webb [13:13] ah no cbs reality here [13:13] grmpf..no judge judy for me today === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === TwistedLucidity is now known as CenZart [14:15] jussi: http://www.punnitse.fi/ http://www.littlebritannia.fi/ [14:15] jussi: make your own mustard from the powder [14:16] anyone playing riddling? [14:16] Myrtti: mustard I have. the horseradish sauce... [14:16] (hot english mustard is available in select citimarkets) [14:16] I'd be amazed if P&S or LB didn't have them [14:17] Myrtti: do the finns have an equivalent? "finnish version" ? [14:17] I have no idea what horseradish is in finnish... [14:17] piparjuuri [14:18] https://fi.foodie.fm/#!/entry/6417808347512 [14:18] https://fi.foodie.fm/#!/entry/8712566423392 [14:20] lol @ the name "crème bonjour" - literally "cream hello" or "cream good day" [14:21] did I spell cream right? I can spell crème fine, but doing it in my native language? [14:27] Myrtti: OH NOM. lets see if it tastse anything like what it should taste like... :D [14:30] has anyone commented on Shuttleworth's beard? [14:30] bashrc: Ive seen many comments... [14:31] but do feel free :P [14:32] I think it's an improvement === CenZart is now known as TwistedLucidity [14:44] i think it looks unprofessional [14:44] unless you mean he's done something with it of late [14:45] did you see him see why he did it? [14:45] nah [14:46] someone he knows got stopped by the TSA for hours.. when the guy left (was 100% innocent) he asked the TSA why they stopped him, the TSA guy said "to be honest, it was the beard" [14:46] hahaha [14:46] mark flies a lot, so i think he is trolling the TSA [14:46] hoping to get stopped ☻ [14:46] he used to have a t-shirt that said "I am not a terrorist" in arabic on it === mapp is now known as mapps [14:46] XD [14:47] I guess if you travel a lot like he does, you get bored at customs ☻ [14:47] lol [14:47] * diddledan fondles his own beard [14:48] if you ever see me in the big slopey queue at Gatwick, prepare to cry as i walk past all the queues and nip down the little 'Channel Island flights only' side bit ;) [14:48] total bypass \o/ [14:48] wow my client is seriously lucky [14:48] i managed to find this on ebay... [14:48] www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Vaio-vgn-tt-keyboard-palm-rest-touch-pad-/111299104398 [14:49] £14 to get a replacement keyboard for his water damaged one \o/ [14:50] Myrtti: \o/ foldio on its way! [14:50] UK only daftykins - not causing you any issues for channel islands ? [14:50] diplo: probably won't, we have postcodes so we kind of get the benefit of the doubt in such circumstances [14:51] :) [14:51] i would rage if not [14:54] why does every idiot and their mum think they should go to ascot and cheltenham yet the rest of the year they dont care about horseracing at all [14:54] mapps: for ladies' day [14:55] it's a special celebration of hats [14:55] but todays just cheltenham day 2 and the papers show the usual tarted up girls and idiot guys in suits [14:55] yeah well they're toffs or toff-wanabes :-p [14:55] dont see the point in going..I hated chester..having to wear a suit in the royal enclosure and paying more to do so? [14:56] 35 quid and HAD towear a suit normal tattersals like 10 quid wear anything [14:57] nowt like paying money to be told what to wear [14:57] lol yea [14:57] pay more to be told i have to wear a suit and tie..and beer costs 4.50 [14:57] ouch [14:57] and you can bet with the on course robbers....betfairs always better [14:59] i am bringing ye olde steamose back to life, under a new name [15:00] lol @ on-course robbers with their refreshing little lifts (tic-tacs) [15:00] directhex: valve shirking again? [15:01] diddledan, well, some stuff needs better coverage than it has right now, and r4 doesn't work properly anymore afaik [15:01] diddledan, so at least i need a "this is the same as valve" release [15:01] aah [15:02] but i want to go further than that [15:02] first thing to do is rebuild my scripts, more or less from scratch, to handle being run from the .iso not the .zip [15:04] not a bad kickstarter return: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/weebl/the-savlonic-album [15:04] just shy of 35k when they wanted 12.5k [15:09] Kickstarter never ceases to amaze me. [15:22] http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/25 [15:26] * bigcalm wobbles in and out of existence [15:26] popey: yeah, I noticed [15:27] bigcalm: awesome, how do you manage that, 'cos I want to be able to do it, too :-) [15:27] diddledan: put an offer in on a house while your wife is out. I'm not sure if I should be alive or not right now [15:28] bigcalm: eek [15:28] that's scary stuff right there [15:30] bigcalm: wibble [15:31] davmor2: if you had underpants on your head and a pencil stuffed up each nostril then I might think you were going mad [15:32] diddledan: it was aimed squarely at * bigcalm wobbles in and out of existence I think he has the underpants on his head and pencils up his nose :D [15:33] as long as there are underpants and pencils somewhere I'll be happy [15:36] bigcalm: more importantly why is diddledan not outraged at his wife being not only at your house but now out ;) [15:37] lmao I missed that [15:38] and there's a reason to delete a line and retype instead of repurposing something that's half-written [15:39] * bigcalm shakes his head [15:39] bigcalm: it'll be fine as long as it is the house she loves and you like :) [15:39] Ha [15:39] We both love it [15:39] bigcalm: better still [15:40] directhex: ratio 100 - can I stop seeding this torrent yet? ;) [15:42] XD [15:42] bigcalm: apparently it doesn't work anymore so it could be wise XD [15:45] why not? [15:51] Goodness me. People are still downloading it from me [15:51] 2 connections, one at 24% one at 76% [15:51] :> [15:52] bigcalm: shame you can't send them a message [15:52] oh no? ;) [15:52] like windows' net send only via bittorrent [15:54] you used to be able to do that on kazaa... [15:54] or one of those things [15:54] really. don't google "rule 34". [15:55] that's scary [15:55] why would you do that [15:55] Why wouldn't you do that? [15:55] I need eyebleach now [15:56] the nsfw search? :P [15:56] yeah I don't have safesearch turned on [15:56] but [15:56] maybe that would be a good idea for the futures [15:57] surely you must have known what you were getting in to? [15:57] nope, I'd not heard of rule34 before [15:57] which is scary in itself [16:01] Why are people discussing "Rule 34" in a familty-friendly channel? There could be children reading. THINK OF THE CHILDREN! [16:01] /daily-mail [16:01] Rule 34 says that someone somewhere IS thinking of the children. [16:02] And that there is a website devoted to publishing pictures of this person's musings [16:02] I mentioned it as a public service announcement for the children to know what to avoid [16:06] awilkins: I am sure Cameron rescinded Rule 34; so we are all safe. [16:07] what is "rule 34"? It sounds like a Wolfram automaton [16:08] if you can think of it, there's a grumble flick of it [16:08] to use theregister's terminology [16:42] hey everyone [16:42] I seem to have a hard time getting the nexus 7 into the bootloader menu [16:50] adb reboot bootloader , would do it. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:09] brobostigon: i moved up a step [17:10] Knightwise: clarify. [17:10] I forgot to boot it into bootloader [17:10] ok, [17:10] how far along are you with it now Knightwise [17:11] I just unlocked the bootloader [17:11] i'm at step 4 [17:12] downloading the image [17:12] have you flashed custom recovery? [17:12] erm ... [17:13] what do you mean by that ? [17:13] i entered ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap [17:13] something like CWM ? [17:13] nope , i just followed the steps on the wiki [17:13] ok, i havent actually flashed ubuntu touch, so couldnt tell you about that. [17:14] to boldly go ... :) [17:14] i now see a home screen with an ubuntu logo. [17:14] its rebooting the recovery from flash it says [17:14] booting [17:14] nice ubuntu logo :p [17:15] taking its sweet time :p [17:16] * Knightwise gonna get coffee [17:16] nice [17:18] ok , i seem to et a question here [17:18] ROM may flash stock recovery on boot [17:18] Yes : disable recovery from flash [17:18] or NO [17:19] brobostigon: ? any advice ? [17:19] not sure, sorry. [17:19] stock recovery might break something [17:19] Knightwise: try #ubuntu-touch [17:19] good idea batman, ask the experts. [17:20] seems sophos and os x don't mix [17:20] http://openforum.sophos.com/t5/Sophos-Anti-Virus-for-Mac-Home/Sophos-9-causes-Mavericks-to-freeze/m-p/16279#M7456 [17:20] * Knightwise dashing over there === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [18:27] I may have shared this before, can't remember. but: http://grahamcluley.com/2014/02/pregnant-wifes-medical-equipment-windows-xp-chkdsk [18:28] (I'm cleaning my inbox) [18:38] hehe, not seen that before [18:39] why would a piece of medical equipment be connected to the internet? [18:40] ali1234: bad network design [18:40] ARGH [18:40] Modal box covering whole screen. Good by website [18:41] the internet sucks [18:41] ali1234: they may network it so that the nurses station can duplicate the information and the idiot network designer might wire their desktops and therefore the internet into the same segment [18:41] yes, i suppose [18:42] similar to how you end up with air conditioners exposed to the internet allowing large companies to be pwned because they didn't know their aircon was vulnerable to attack [18:44] I believe there was a thanksgiving issue last year of just that exact thing happening. hackers took control of air-con in stores and from there they had unrestricted access to the billing systems because the stores thought that behind the firewall was safe to leave the billing system unrestricted [18:44] hah [18:44] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/target-hackers-broke-in-via-hvac-company/ [18:45] oh thats the target breach? blimey [18:45] that's some william gibson shiz right there [19:04] yea [19:05] read that a while back, the aircon company had remote access to monitor the systems [19:10] worth noting that doesn't mean the aircon was exposed to the internet; it means the partner company had access to target's network [19:11] yeah [19:12] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/13/google_cloud_price_cuts/ [19:12] google has undercut it's own storage [19:13] shauno: good point [19:13] Tainted Love what a classic [19:13] it looks like it was a poorly guarded password to gain access to the network in target's case [19:14] my guess would be an inside job [19:14] by someone at the contractor [19:15] either that or a complicated heist involving dressing up like air-conditioner repair men and installing hardware backdoors [19:15] company I worked for got done over by people dressed as aircon engineers [19:15] possibly a combination of both [19:15] came in on a saturday and took half the RAM out of every PC in the building [19:15] "oops, i accidentally-on-purpose plugged our monitoring system into the company network" [19:16] "easily done, the ports are like right next to each other" [19:16] in unrelated musings. with a bit of cutting and wrenching, the box that RS ship their RasPis in serves as a suitable run-time case once you can get the cables through the bodywork with the aforementioned cutting [19:16] :D [19:16] didn't fancy a cheap cute case? [19:17] I fancy a better case, but this gets me up-n-running quickly [19:18] all you really need is anonymous to pull a fake terror alert on black friday and you basically have the first half of neuromancer [19:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcDZS7iYNsA [19:24] the thing about attacks that disrupt the internet is that they are self-limiting [19:25] ali1234: true, but they're still annoying :) [19:25] yeah but that's about it for most people [19:26] erm, I don't like his representation of IRC being for hackers [19:26] why? [19:26] are you a hacker? [19:26] diddledan: have you seen ircnet? [19:26] yes. [19:26] as in the media representation of hacker [19:26] arguably [19:27] what would more correctly be termed cracker [19:27] urgh gonna have to go for a nap in a bit [19:27] cant stop yawning;/ [19:28] i have the skills. i just don't use them for evil [19:29] but would you consider that IRC is purely for hacker-types? [19:30] pretty much that and the occasional newb who wanders in by mistake [19:30] lol [19:30] lol [19:31] hello all [19:31] anyone on ubuntu 14.04 and updated to the latest version? [19:32] lol @ that video though, it's an entertaining explanation of the problem [19:32] after the latest update i've no unity :( [19:32] bug 1292396 [19:33] bug 1292396 in unity (Ubuntu) "After upgrade Unity session is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292396 [19:33] will watch the vid in a sec..then its a quick 2-3hr nap for me [19:33] "xubuntu user unaffected" [19:35] i've got a question: when we get systemd and it's awesome containers, will we finally be able to easily deploy a proper juju cloud on a single dedicated server? [19:35] i know you can sort of do it now, but it's not very good... [19:37] ah well looks like i'm not the only one unity is broken for :D [19:37] I won't bother with todays updates then [19:38] DJones: yeah for my laptop unity won't load at all, just takes you to the desktop wallpaper, you can ctrl-alt-f1 to get a new login or ctrl alt t to get a terminal but that's all ;) [19:41] ah well i'll just update tomorrow, it's no biggy :D [19:41] Seems to be a few mentions in +1 for that issue as well [19:42] ah well [19:43] it's not really an issue as I can multi boot into *gasp* Windows ;) [19:44] MooDoo: can you login to a guest session? [19:44] popey: ooo not tried hang on let me check [19:47] popey: same result, just takes you to a unity less desktop but you can ctrl alt t to get a terminal [19:47] MooDoo: what video card? [19:48] nvidia but i'm not using any drivers so just default driver that comes with it [not sure] [19:48] as the broken user, does "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" pull in any new packages? [19:48] nv or nuvoux or something [19:49] nouveau [19:49] yeah [19:49] nueveau [19:49] close [19:49] nouveau - learn french! :-p [19:49] diddledan: No :P [19:49] roughly translated = modern or new [19:50] yeag [19:50] blarg [19:50] i did get the beta drivers working though [19:50] work fine [19:50] popey: 0 upgraded, 963 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [19:50] Need to get 466 MB of archives. [19:50] ouch [19:50] MooDoo: upgrading to 14.04? [19:50] MooDoo: yeah, do that [19:50] diddledan: already am on 14.04 [19:51] downloading. [19:51] MooDoo: 963 newly installed? what you doing?! [19:51] diddledan: I just apt-get updated download the latest updates to trusty and it's broken unity [19:52] aah, does the caret (^) on the end of a package tell apt to install the entire dependency tree again? [19:52] if so I'm gonna have to remember that - seems like a great capability [19:53] on gentoo the equivalent is `emerge --empty-tree world` aka `emerge -e world` where world means every package currently installed [19:53] or rather than currently installed but "previously requested to be installed" [19:54] like apt's "manually installed" option vs "automatically installed" to allow for `apt-get autoremove` [19:55] I really should unlearn some of my Gentoo knowledge [19:58] 7500th September 1993 [19:58] o_O [19:59] my Ubuntu box at work seems to have subscribed to the idea of eternal september [20:03] Monotoko: lots of noobs on it? [20:06] popey: no dice, but don't worry about it :) I can wait for updates lol [20:06] MooDoo: did you reboot? [20:06] yeah [20:07] first I pkill'd the user, then rebooted still no unity [20:07] MartijnVdS, could say that - my co-worker tried to "fix" my graphics driver [20:07] so it doesn't even POST [20:07] *now [20:08] popey last think in dmesg is init: Failed to spawn hybrid-gfx main process: unable to execute: No such file or directory not sure if it's related [20:11] MooDoo: so you have an optimus gfx card? [20:11] davmor2: no nvidia [20:11] but i'm looking in this file x-0-greeter.log [20:12] unity-greeter.vala:581: Got a SIGTERM [20:12] ** (unity-settings-daemon:1182): WARNING **: Name taken or bus went away - shutting down [20:12] and hello davmor2 :D [20:12] so it.. missed the bus? :) [20:13] MooDoo: do lspci | grep VGA [20:13] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [NVS 3100M] (rev a2) [20:15] MartijnVdS: you wait for an hour for a bus and then three come along at once [20:15] diddledan: yes, tell that to unity [20:16] davmor2: /var/log/lightdm x-0-greeter.log - http://pastebin.com/67y3e1sd [20:17] hybrid-gfx suggests it _thinks_ you've got an optimus frankenstein? [20:17] really, what idiot thought that optimus was a good idea? [20:18] diddledan: it's a prime name if you ask me ;) [20:18] the name is fine, it's the technology that I take issue with [20:18] MooDoo: no that is the name of the switching driver [20:18] diddledan: Seems to work fine for me on 14.04, although I've avoided todays updates after previous comments [20:19] davmor2: I know i was jesting, did you see my pastebin? [20:19] MooDoo: I did all gibberish to me :) [20:19] MooDoo: did you get any updates at all? [20:19] davmor2: you mean double MartijnVdS (dutch)? [20:20] davmor2: ubuntu-desktop all up to date, apt-get update ; dist-upgrade all up to date [20:20] davmor2: lots of people mentioning it in +1 [20:20] I blame popey [20:20] lol [20:22] MooDoo: that log file is only for the login screen [20:23] have a look in ~/.cache/upstart [20:23] that's where all the session logs go [20:24] (unity-panel-service:1877): Gtk-WARNING **: Cannot create custom menu item of type 'unity.widgets.systemsettings.tablet.accesspoint' [20:24] :) [20:25] only a warning... [20:25] how long have you been on +1? [20:26] ages, all this has happened since I dist-upgraded earlier on [20:26] there was a bug a while back that caused the unity8 preview to get installed when it shouldn't have been [20:26] that might possibly be conflicting somehow [20:26] it even got installed on my xubuntu somehow [20:27] ali1234: ok thanks, having a play :D [20:27] i was like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRX6LXDpWs [20:54] MooDoo: is unity installed? [20:54] apt-cache policy unity [20:54] MooDoo: Have a look at this thread on the mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-March/037420.html [20:55] MooDoo: Last message in the thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-March/037424.html "The problem is in, or associated with, [20:55] lightdm, but stopping and restarting it made no difference. Currently, I [20:55] have altered the default desktop manager to gdm. This works, but I [20:55] really don't like it! [20:55] That seems like the same problem [21:04] bigcalm: you around? [21:11] MooDoo: I've just done a dist-upgrade and everything is good here? [21:25] Evening [21:25] howdy doo [21:28] is that a dist-upgrade to trusty? [21:32] dist-upgrade doesn't mean going between distros [21:32] it means grabbing *all* the latest packages for a given one === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [21:36] the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that upgrade will never remove an old package if required by an update to an existing one - let's say you have foo 1.0 which depends on libfoo1, and then an update comes for foo 2.0 which depends on libfoo2 - upgrade will not upgrade you to foo 2.0, but dist-upgrade will [21:36] handy to know [21:37] i've always been very cautious to experiment with apt actions - i'm nervous about getting into a state where things are broken [21:39] dont use apt then ☻ [21:39] Software Updater is for you ☻ [21:39] even though it has a stupid name [21:40] does what it say on the tin [21:40] still sounds like a bad shareware app from 20 years ago. [21:40] dogmatic69: I am here now, sup? [21:40] aah shareware, how I miss thee [21:41] or not [21:41] doom was shareware. [21:41] let us not mock shareware [21:41] now it's open source [21:41] i am not mocking shareware [21:41] archive.org has a huge collection of shovelware-shareware now [21:41] i am mocking software updater and _bad_ shareware [21:41] my favourite shareware used to be getright [21:41] kde also always makes me think of cover disks from the past [21:42] oh blimey [21:42] i used getright! [21:42] I'd forgotten getright! [21:42] or was that textfiles.com - i forget... very interesting to browse thru [21:42] i used that to grab mame roms back in uh...1997 [21:42] best way to download half-life patchs when your modem disconnected every 120 minutes [21:42] maybe? [21:42] i still own getright :D [21:42] got it installed right now in fact [21:42] popey: not so much mame, but I used it around the same era [21:42] think i used it to grab beos 5 personal edition too [21:42] i used to download stuff and put it on zip disks ☻ [21:42] connected via parallel port [21:42] D: [21:42] zip disks?! wow [21:42] haha [21:43] was "paint shop pro" shareware? [21:43] with the crazy printer passthrough [21:43] I wasn't aware anybody ever used those [21:43] i had 3! [21:43] one was onboard ide [21:43] an external parallel (for taking to work) and a scsi one [21:43] i had a client that backed up to them but the drive died eventually [21:43] * popey looks for a photo [21:43] click-death [21:43] I think I still have a jaz drive - successor to zip drive - used it a lot with my Akai sampler [21:44] scsi was best [21:44] I'm trying to remember the name of the competitor to zip [21:44] the parallel zip didn't work if you also had a parallel scanner and parallel printer [21:44] diddledan, ls120 [21:44] My first CD burner was a 2x SCSI one [21:44] sat under my display [21:44] :D [21:44] was more like removable hdd iirc [21:44] rather than tape [21:44] iomega had a super cheap scsi card, the zip zoom, for scsi zip drives [21:45] zip+zoom was basically plug & play compared to parallel nightmare [21:45] aah, maybe it was syquest [21:45] iomega had jaz zdrives too right? [21:46] *jazz [21:46] i think just one z [21:46] daftykins: yeah, zip and jazz were both iomega things [21:46] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Iomega_jaz-2-GB-Laufwerk_01_KMJ.jpg [21:46] and, according to wiki it is only one Z, as zenpho suggests [21:46] media was like £100 though [21:47] http://imgur.com/I9kXAla [21:47] so much crap tech in that picture from my den [21:47] ah, i did write it with one then put a second in the wrong place [21:47] old sony laptop, pcmcia network card, old 486 dell [21:47] and a cat [21:47] the cat is not crap tech :( [21:47] admittedly he or she was only running on 4 paws at the time [21:47] teh kittie is totally cute-tech, no? [21:48] *ba-dum-tish* [21:51] imgur collects the most cruddiest crud of the whole internet according to the "today's best images" list [21:51] http://imgur.com/R5Ng7ID [21:51] ☻ [21:51] daftykins: two drums and a cymbal fall down the stairs.... ba-dum-tish ;o) [21:51] `.` [21:52] zenpho: is that a Tim Vine? [21:52] popey: is that RMS on the t-shirt? [21:52] yes [21:52] probably yes - it's terrible but kinda clever - hallmark of Tim Vine [21:52] zenpho: :D [21:52] popey: and what's happened to your hair?! [21:53] and what are you doing to that poor goat? [21:53] http://imgur.com/tyemeS6 [21:53] my pc circa 1999 [21:53] scsi cd burner... [21:53] it doesn't like me [21:53] of all the things in that picture, the only thing I still have, and is on my desk right now, is the stapler [21:53] the image is broke :-( [21:53] omg my 1996 pentium 1 dan had those speakers! [21:54] ☻ [21:54] also, don't you guys find split level desks the spawn of satan? [21:54] yes [21:54] :D [21:54] binned that one 10 years ago [21:54] hehe [21:54] and another cat no less! === zenpho is now known as zenpho_ [21:55] popey: but *gasp* - Windows! [21:55] xfce? [21:55] erm [21:55] hah [21:55] fvwm [21:55] yeah [21:55] i didnt move to linux till well after that [21:55] I new it was an acronym [21:55] http://imgur.com/qEo8ZST [21:55] pretty sure that Dan PC has a zip drive [21:56] above the floppy [21:56] oh, i still have that bin ☻ [21:56] that looks like a zip on the left of the pc and in the base-unit a cdrom drive which required the cd in a caddy [21:56] cat -> mouse [21:57] plus, two PC under the desk FTW! [21:57] I've got a similar setup right now (2 pc under the desk) [21:58] popey: is that a black US Robotics modem atop the zip? [21:58] yes [21:58] :O! [21:58] oh, the zip is in that one too [21:58] scsi, daisy chained off the cdrom [21:58] which I had to not breathe near when burning [21:58] I've still got a 56k modem around here somtplace [21:58] :> [21:58] giant altec lansing speakers [21:59] s/t/e/ [21:59] popey: are both of those palm pdas? [21:59] ya [22:00] Palm 5000 and Palm IIIx [22:00] used to love them [22:00] ☹ [22:00] two because: batteries? === martinr is now known as Guest35904 [22:00] or was one superceding? [22:00] yeah [22:01] i used to use it to read books before ebook readers were cool [22:01] lol [22:01] i read and re read HHGTTG while rocking sophie to bed [22:01] which is 4 years after this pic [22:01] there's loads of awesome old tech in that pic [22:01] aah nostalgia [22:01] :) [22:02] netgear switches haven't changed in design... at all. [22:02] i'm really looking forward to setting up this Lenovo X240 for my client [22:02] love my Netgear GS108 \o/ [22:02] I want a T model [22:02] i use more than 8 ports though :( [22:02] smart [22:03] I'm currently using 17 ethernet ports from my router + switches which includes the port on the router to the modem [22:03] so 16 LANny ones [22:04] crikey, that's a fair chunk more than me [22:04] all that for only you or a shared place? :) [22:04] i have a gs116 but am not using many ports [22:04] they're not all in the same segment though - I've segregated at least 3 from my lan to separate subnets/vlans [22:05] directhex: they're two 8s joined aren't they? [22:05] all for me :-D [22:05] O_O what are all those devices? D: [22:05] daftykins, probably. you know that's why usb hubs are either 4 ports or 7 ports, right? 2x4 ports, with one plugged into the other internally [22:05] no idea :-p [22:06] directhex: i consider USB hubs an abomination === martinr_ is now known as oneking [22:09] I've got 1xRPi (onion router), 2xAP (wifi) 3xSwitch (using 3 ports on the router so they can potentially be discounted from the total) then I have 1xNAS PC, 1xXenServer PC, 1xPC I want to do something with but haven't decided what,, 1xRPi NTPd, 1xRPI ???, and 3 which don't seem to be illuminated right now [22:09] not sure what the others are [22:10] aah, 1xOpenReach Fibre-to-the-cab modem [22:11] so I'm unaccounted for 3 connections? [22:11] don't you love when you have no idea what "that ethernet cable" or "that screw" goes to?! [22:12] aah, forgot the most obvious. the 1xMAC that I'm talking to you with [22:13] :D [22:13] pics! [22:23] you'll have to remind me in a while, I've just put my battery on to charge so I can take a photo [22:23] :> [22:27] wait.. google+ auto backup for mac tells me that uploading photos with a maximum dimension of 2048px doesn't use any drive quota - i.e. the uploader says "unlimited storage at 2048px" [22:28] ah-har [22:29] my Nexus 4 just this second started offering me some kinda backup [22:54] lol, I just got notified that an uploaded photo of mine of a christmas tree had an "auto awesome" effect applied that makes the lights twinkle [22:54] on google+ [23:02] i think i saw that, or one like it [23:23] Is there anything handy I can get that just puts my phone in my file browser, over wifi? [23:27] Azelphur: airdroid is good but not in your file browser and it's for Android [23:27] yea that's what I've been using, it's just a pain to scan the QR code every time, would much rather have it all ready to go in the file browser [23:28] I wonder if you could set up a samba server on your phone [23:29] I know you can get ssh, but I imagine it wouldn't handle reconnects well [23:30] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.sambaserver [23:31] Just search for samba server [23:31] Lots out there [23:31] All appear to need the device rooted [23:32] fun, I guess that could work, i still don't think nautilus will handle reconnects well [23:33] Sleep now === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey