[04:58] <bzoltan> mhall119: would you please pastbin the logs and the cmake command you wish to use?
[04:58] <bzoltan> mhall119:  could that GLES problem be this: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-36509  could it be this
[06:17] <Guest71154> helo wanted to flash my sgs i9000 with ubuntu touch 13.10. As i read calls and sms not working. Is it true?
[06:18] <nhaines> Probably?
[06:19] <Guest71154> bad.
[06:22] <timppa> good morning! How are things this morning? Qt5.2 has landed. :)
[06:24] <nhaines> timppa: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
[07:38] <timppa> nhaines: that's what it seems :D In here we had also spring and in the morning there were almost 20cm of snow :(
[07:39] <timppa> -also +almost
[07:39] <nhaines> timppa: sorry, I'm in California.  It's been 20-25°C all week and doesn't look like stopping.  :)
[07:39] <nhaines> Even when it rains it's still 20°C.  :P
[07:39] <timppa> nhaines: You lucky...
[07:39] <timppa> :)
[07:39] <nhaines> Okay, maybe it's 12-15° when it rains.  :)
[07:40] <timppa> that's manageable
[07:41] <nhaines> It's a nice perk
[07:41] <timppa> But regarding the latest build, music, notes and terminal at least seems to be broken. Don't know if that's a know issue
[07:42] <nhaines> I don't think I upgraded yet.
[07:42] <nhaines> Yesterday I did throw an HTML5 app that was suspiciously like one I wanted to write for Ubuntu... into an HTML5 app container, and it worked perfectly!  :D  So that was exciting.
[07:42] <timppa> Mu morning routines, drink coffee and update phone :D
[07:42] <timppa> Damn, I need to learn how to type
[07:42] <timppa> :(
[07:43] <nhaines> Just a little bit of converting page icons to toolbar stuff and it'd be all set!  :D  But I'm waiting for the new bottom edge and toolbar stuff to be a little more clear.
[07:43] <nhaines> And by toolbar I mean header, so much for typing well.  :)
[07:43] <timppa> nhaines: that's one thing I'm also waiting + scopes
[07:44] <timppa> It would be a killer thing if python was supported!
[07:44] <timppa> Hopefully some day
[07:44] <nhaines>  I know!  But it never will be.  :)
[07:45] <nhaines> Application isolation means that you have to run a new instances of the interpreter for every app.  And that gets expensive fast.
[07:45] <timppa> :(
[07:46] <timppa> Maybe I need to start learning c++ then
[07:46] <nhaines> Or Javascript!  Or maybe Go.
[07:47] <timppa> Well I know a little bit, Python and Java are the languages I can handle best
[07:47] <timppa> Javascript is easy but it's so limited!?
[07:47] <nhaines> Python and QuickBASIC for me, so you can imagine how useful that is. :P
[07:47] <timppa> QuickBASIC :D
[07:48] <timppa> oh and a tiny bit of assembler for C64
[07:48] <nhaines> I miss it.  But not enough to program in it still!  :D
[07:48] <nhaines> I can do assembler for the Z80, on a TI calculator.
[07:49] <timppa> That is one weird language, not so today thing anymore
[07:49] <nhaines> It's just machine code mnemonics.  It's hard to be smarter than a modern-day compiler now.  :)
[07:49] <timppa> yes it is
[08:48] <anpok> is there also a qt5.2 bzr repository on launchpad?
[09:22] <bzoltan> anpok: the packaging branches are here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/
[09:23] <bzoltan> anpok:  but if you need the upstream code, you better go for Digia's git repos
[09:44] <anpok> ah thats what I wanted to look into, thank you
[12:52] <ubuntuyay> any suitable guide to install ubuntu touch to a SM-P600 (galaxy note 2014) ?
[12:54] <ogra_> !devices | ubuntuyay
[12:55] <ubuntuyay> 4 devices...
[12:55] <ubuntuyay> "full list" lol
[12:55] <ogra_> if there is none, you can search on xda forums ... if you cant find anything there you might have to do a port yourself
[12:55] <Mirv> bzoltan: infinity requires some blood to be shed regarding how QtC plugins were packaged, but he did fixes last night and I'll sync the changes to your bzr repos
[12:56] <bzoltan> Mirv: cool
[12:56] <ogra_> ubuntuyay, use the scrollbar of your browser :P
[12:56] <bzoltan> Mirv:  looking forward to see it
[12:56] <ubuntuyay> ive scoured the internet for some support for the 2014, found nothing, mostly just galaxy tab 1 or 2
[14:03] <dampppp> Hi! Is Nexus 5 "supported" by Ubuntu phone?
[14:03] <popey> dampppp: we dont have an official version for it, but someone in the community might
[14:04] <Tassadar> dampppp: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06721.html
[14:04] <dampppp> So that is a Yes? How far has the development come? I tried Ubuntu phone last year when it was really really shallow
[14:06] <popey> the Nexus Status spreadsheet has a summary of the current state for supported devices
[14:07] <popey> the nexus 5 is a community port, so I don't know the status of that
[14:08] <Tassadar> works pretty nice except the sound is still buggy (no sound on second call, for example - it was solved on n4, but n5 is still the same for some reason)
[14:08] <Tassadar> dampppp: things have improved a lot, but it's still in development - don't expect it to compete with android just yet
[14:12] <dampppp> Oh. Im no android user. Im an iPhone guy, but I want to make some apps so it will be ready when the RC comes out
[14:12] <dampppp> When do you guys excpect Ubuntu phone to be "done" ?
[14:13] <dampppp> How is Carrier support, 3G/4G support etc right now? Is the phone usable?
[14:13] <popey> later this year
[14:13] <dampppp> Sweet popey
[14:56] <bashrc> is there a terminal app?
[15:03] <dampppp> Tassadar: How is the cellular support nowadays?
[15:03] <Tassadar> on n5, it works fine, but there is no GUI to set APN information yet, so mobile data might not work out of the box on your netwrok
[15:03] <Tassadar> network
[15:03] <Tassadar> sms and calls work
[15:04] <Tassadar> but as I said, the sound does not work after the first call
[15:19] <bzoltan>  bashrc: yes, there is
[15:25] <sergiusens> rsalveti, ping ping
[15:32] <popey> sergiusens: how was the bbq?
[15:37] <mhall119> bzoltan: when I open this project in qtc it asks me for the cmake flags, which I give as "-DWITH_QT5=on -DWITH_UBUNTU=on -DWITH_DESKTOP=off", and that works fine when building it natively in qtc, but when I tell it to build a click package for armhf using click chroot, the plugin script doesn't pass those cmake flags to the qtc_chroot_cmake script
[15:37] <sergiusens> popey, great :-)
[15:37] <sergiusens> thanks
[15:37] <popey> yay
[15:38] <sergiusens> very tasty
[15:38] <mhall119> bzoltan: I found the same upstream bug last night, and yeah I think it might be related to my problem, need to dig more into it still
[15:39] <bzoltan> mhall119:  the build in chroot issue you found sounds like a real bug in our process ... would you please file a bug and assign it to me?
[15:39] <sergiusens> what problem?
[15:40] <bzoltan> mhall119:  the next week is the "week of quality" for us
[15:42] <sergiusens> ah
[15:45] <mhall119> bzoltan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1292892
[15:45] <mhall119> once again I can't assign bugs to you on that project, Launchpad won't let me
[15:57] <dampppp> Tassadar: How is the cellular network on the Ubuntu phone as of now? Is it usable or just dev?
[15:57] <Tassadar> I've answered that already, did you miss that?
[16:11] <dampppp> Tassadar: Yes, im at work and someone closed the window :(
[16:11] <Tassadar> 16:03] <Tassadar> on n5, it works fine, but there is no GUI to set APN information yet, so mobile data might not work out of the box on your netwrok
[16:11] <Tassadar> [16:03] <Tassadar> network
[16:11] <Tassadar> [16:03] <Tassadar> sms and calls work
[16:11] <Tassadar> [16:04] <Tassadar> but as I said, the sound does not work after the first call
[16:45] <dampppp> Tassadar: Haha. Ok! So I need to set the APN information via my computer? Its not much APN information I will need  to set anyways so :)
[16:46] <dampppp> And that bug sounds weird
[16:46] <Tassadar> yeah, there are some scripts present to set the apn
[16:46] <dampppp> I feel like that is kind of a critical bug, and its strange that they havent corrected that since last year when I had a similar problem om N4
[16:46] <Tassadar> it works fine on N4
[16:47] <Tassadar> just N5 is not "officialy" supported and nobody from the community figured it out yet
[16:47] <dampppp> Right now yeah? But I tried it last June I think. It was almost impossible to make a call. But I loved the Ubuntu Phone idea so I had to try it
[16:48] <Tassadar> calls should be fine on N4 right now
[16:48] <dampppp> Yeah, but I dont want to buy another n4 :p
[16:48] <dampppp> Ill get the n5 for about 100 usd here i Norway without a plan or subscribtion so it would be a nice development phone to test apps on
[16:48] <dampppp> Or wouldnt you agree?
[16:49] <Tassadar> yeah, should be just fine for app development
[16:50] <Tassadar> and you can have multiboot on it, if you want to use it as daily driver and ubuntu won't be able to satisfy that for you
[16:51] <dampppp> Haha. Aight. No, ill never use an android.
[16:51] <dampppp> im an iphone guy :)
[16:54] <timppa> dampppp: I _was_ an iPhone guy also but now my iPhone just serves me as alarm clock. And that's only until ubuntu alarms are reliable enough :D
[16:55] <timppa> ubuntu touch is a very nice platform. I just bought Nexus 7 as a tablet, that's buy buy time to iPad
[16:55] <dampppp> Haha. Ok :P Ubuntu alarms were reliable last june on the n4 tho? I used that one as an alarm then ;p
[16:56] <dampppp> I dont really see myself changing from apple even tho I love the Ubuntu Project
[16:57] <timppa> apple products are nice but I don't want to lug around two phones or tablets
[16:57] <timppa> I like ubuntu more so that's what I carry
[16:57] <timppa> alarm clock, last June? Nexus 4?
[16:57] <timppa> w00t?
[17:00] <dampppp> I think so? I remember i had a fight making it work, or maybe Im mistaken? :O
[17:01] <dampppp> But thank you for your answers guys!
[17:03] <snwh> where can I find the current build number (online)?
[17:18] <ogra_> snwh, http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/
[17:18] <snwh> ogra_, thanks
[17:18] <ogra_> snwh, note that this does only show the builds, noz if they were promoted or not
[17:19] <ogra_> http://system-image.ubuntu.com/trusty/mako/ lets you roughly guess which have been promoted
[17:20] <snwh> that the one I was looking for. I couldn't remember "system-image"
[17:40] <aurora82> hi.
[17:40] <aurora82> I have a trouble installing ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 grouper.
[17:41] <aurora82> Can someone help me?
[17:44] <aurora82> Please.
[17:50] <vthompson> sergiusens, popey, I notice that we bumped the music app version and it's available in the store. It seems to place the updated version in /usr/share/click/preinstalled. Previously updates were going into opt. I tried to run the music-app but was unable to launch it. I verified that "1.3.381" was installed with "click list"
[17:54] <cjwatson> Updates from system images go into /usr/share/click/preinstalled/
[17:54] <cjwatson> It only goes into /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ if you install it from the store yourself
[17:55] <cjwatson> Are there any relevant errors in /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/*music-app* (I can't remember the exact file name, poke around)?
[17:55] <vthompson> That's what I had assumed previously... I did recently update my image and the phone was running the previous version 1.2.376 of music. I updated via the click store and rebooted and now it doesn't work
[17:55] <vthompson> Nope, no new log for 1.3.381 is created
[17:55] <vthompson> hm, maybe I'll look at the old log
[17:55] <cjwatson> https://click.readthedocs.org/en/latest/databases.html explains (sort of) the click database structure
[17:56] <cjwatson> Also check /var/log/syslog for apparmor denials, and see where the music-app link in ~/.local/share/applications/ points
[17:59] <vthompson> Nothing in syslog and the destop file in applications seems to correctly point to 1.3.381
[18:11] <popey> vthompson: what version of image do you have on your device?
[18:12] <vthompson> popey, currently running r238
[18:13] <vthompson> popey, I also uninstalled music and was unable to find it in the search or the list of available apps in the dash. I did a click register and it shows up again, but still unable to launch it
[18:13] <popey> vthompson: I expect that image to be broken I'm afraid.
[18:14] <popey> I dont expect a fixed image to be built until monday. Sorry.
[18:15] <vthompson> popey, hm, so I'll roll back one build. What should I do to get music working again? Just unregister the 1.3.381 version and register the older one 1.2.376?
[18:15] <popey> if you flash 237 and don't update from the store you should be good
[18:15] <vthompson> ok, I'll try that. Thanks!
[18:20] <sergiusens> popey, vthompson the latest image works rather well though
[18:20] <vthompson> sergiusens, when do we expected that to hit the proposed channel?
[18:20] <Andril> hello all
[18:20] <sergiusens> cjwatson, the preinstalled music apps is launching (at least with upstart) as seen on the dashboard
[18:21] <sergiusens> vthompson, it is in the proposed channel; isn't it?
[18:21] <sergiusens> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click list|grep music
[18:21] <sergiusens> com.ubuntu.music	1.3.381
[18:21] <sergiusens> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click pkgdir com.ubuntu.music
[18:21] <sergiusens> /usr/share/click/preinstalled/.click/users/@all/com.ubuntu.music
[18:21] <vthompson> sergiusens, hm, I'll check again. It wasn't around 30 minutes ago. 239 I take it?
[18:22] <sergiusens> vthompson, or do you mean devel channel
[18:22] <sergiusens> if so, the latext music won't work there
[18:22] <vthompson> sergiusens, Nope proposed
[18:22] <Andril> any idea if Ubuntu Touch will be available for download to existing Meizu MX 3 owners?
[18:24] <sergiusens> vthompson, I'm on 238 fwiw
[18:24] <vthompson> sergiusens, could you go into the click updater and see if Music is listed as an update? Maybe the click updater foobar'd my preinstalled 1.3.381
[18:26] <GBean> I'm very interested in Ubuntu Touch but haven't used it yet as I would need to buy a Nexus first. I'd like to know how much functionality it has. I would assume it's a fully functional linux distro but the apps page only shows a few "core apps" and some of them are works in progress. Are regular linux programs working on it?
[18:28] <GBean> (I don't care about the "apps" as much as I do having a normal linux distro on a tablet)
[18:36] <GBean> One thing I would like is OpenVPN, which is ridiculous to set up on an ipad since you have to email the .ovpn files to the ipad user. Stupid. Being able to set up OpenVPN normally would be a nice feature.
[18:38] <GBean> And ownCloud, which requires payment for the ipad app, which requires attaching a credit card account the ipad.
[18:41] <GBean> Running a remote deskto like tightvnc or vino would be great too so I could help people admin the device.
[18:42] <popey> GBean: its very much like any other linux distro
[18:42] <popey> GBean: there's some changes though like read only image and no X11
[18:44] <GBean> popey, by "read only" you mean normal user cannot write?
[18:44] <popey> by default, the root filesystem is mostly readonly
[18:45] <popey> you can type a simple command to make it rw
[18:45] <GBean> so it's designed to not be modified much?
[18:45] <popey> its more so we can do easy over the air updates to the system
[18:46] <GBean> and what about X11? Is it running on some GUI stuff from Google Android?
[18:48] <sergiusens> vthompson, one sec; I have no updates for music
[18:48] <popey> GBean: Initially we used surfaceflinger, now we're using mir
[18:49] <popey> sergiusens: on #237 I see an update for music to 1.3.381 and shouldn't, because that's for the new framework ☹
[18:50] <GBean> don't know what those are, will have to look those up. As I said, I'm interested in remote desktop although shell access may be good enough for helping people I know.
[18:51] <vthompson> sergiusens, popey, what I ultimately did was just stick with 238 and I unregistered music 1.3.381 and registered 1.2.376. I'll just update the files in that installation location like I normally do for development.
[18:54] <GBean> popey, it would be nice to have some documentation on regular linux usage on a tablet. Some things I'm interested in are: firefox, filezilla, openvpn, owncloud, network-manger type interface for VPN internet, IRC, image/video management, document readers/editors, remote shell,
[18:55] <GBean> image and video editing. For images, Gimp may be too complex so use something simpler for cropping.
[18:56] <GBean> As long as the browser is fully functional I think firefox could be used for a lot of things like email and file uploads/downloads.
[18:58] <sergiusens> popey, yeah, I sent that in the email
[18:58] <sergiusens> popey, the updater seems to have no framework filtering
[18:58] <sergiusens> popey, what I did try was to update and got an error
[18:58] <sergiusens> as the click subsystem will fail on missing frameworks
[19:01] <GBean> in my experience, running owncloud on my own server and having people access it with browser has been easy for people to use and understand. We've been using this to share photos and videos and it works great. This is why I think openvpn and owncloud are important for a tablet.
[19:02] <GBean> a lot of what people do is share photos and videos
[19:02] <GBean> and want some remote location to store them
[19:03] <GBean> Apple's ipad is horrible for trying to do that independent of Apple/dropbox servers.
[19:05] <popey> GBean: in order, no, no, no, no, no, in progress, limited, limited, ssh
[19:20] <GBean> popey, thanks for the reply. I just noticed it uses "webbrowser app" and not firefox. I assumed it was using firefox. This is interesting.
[19:22] <GBean> popey, looks to me like this project needs more help. I think a lot of people like the convenience of a tablet and don't like the constraints that Apple has. Lots of people would also be interested in running linux on a tablet. If more people get the word out, I think this can cause the hardware to sell pretty well.
[19:24] <popey> GBean: Feel free to ask Mozilla to port firefox to Ubuntu Touch ☻
[19:25] <GBean> I assumed from info on Ubuntu 14.04, which Shuttleworth said is designed to support Nexus 7 and 10, that Touch was more thoroughly developed than it currently is. I just learned about this Touch project recently. I told someone about it and he's already interested in buying a Nexus 10, as am I. But now I'm little disappointed it's not developed enough yet.
[19:25] <popey> It's way further along than it was a year ago ☻
[19:27] <GBean> being able to connect a keyboard so it can switch between a laptop and tablet would be the jackpot
[19:27] <GBean> would also like an ebook reader
[19:28] <ogra_> that will happen on the way to 16.04
[19:28] <ogra_> (the "attach a keyboard" nit)
[19:29] <ogra_> *bit
[19:29] <ogra_> we have an ebook reader in the appstore already
[19:29] <ogra_> (there are a few 100 apps already ... and the pool is steadily growing)
[19:30] <GBean> what's the link to the appstore?
[19:30] <popey> we dont have a web UI for it right now
[19:30] <popey> you install apps directly on the device
[19:31] <GBean> though one reason to use open source is that one doesn't need a store for common programs like text readers
[19:31] <ogra_> how is that related to opensource ?
[19:32] <GBean> open source can save money for the end user
[19:32] <GBean> while also actually being more secure
[19:32] <ogra_> and how is that related to the way you distribute the stuff ?
[19:33]  * ogra_ is pretty sure the majority of apps in the store is (and will be) opensource
[19:33] <GBean> using a paid service for sharing notes/highlights can be useful
[19:33] <popey> we have that already ㋛
[19:33] <ogra_> ??
[19:34] <ogra_> you are massively jumping topics :)
[19:34] <GBean> ogra_, what you are saying is making it sound to me like getting any use out of Ubuntu Touch means paying money for apps in a "store"
[19:35] <ogra_> anyway, i dont think having a store for click packages vs having an apt repositoritory for deb packages makes any difference about the licensing of what you distribute through either of them
[19:35] <GBean> when I can install linux on a laptop for free
[19:36] <ogra_> you can install ubuntu on a nexus4 for free as well
[19:36] <GBean> if by "store" you mean "repository" with some apps costing $0 than all is well
[19:36] <ogra_> as well as all apps in the store ... (of which most have an opensrouce license)
[19:37] <GBean> I'm willing to contribute funds to projects/people who need them
[19:37] <ogra_> by store i mean the click app store we have ... i dont get why the way you distribute binaries makes any difference in what license said binaries have for you
[19:38] <ogra_> it is simply a different way of distributing ...
[19:38] <GBean> "store" sounds like people are going to have to pay for stuff all the time
[19:38] <GBean> which also requires attaching credit/debit/paypal card info to a device, which some people don't like doing
[19:39] <ogra_> there will hopefully be a lot of to pay for apps too
[19:39] <ogra_> but that doesnt stop distribution of opensource apps through the same channel
[19:40] <ogra_> there might even be paid opensrouce apps ;)
[19:40] <ogra_> and free closed source apps
[19:40] <GBean> why not call it "download center" instead of "store"?
[19:40] <ogra_> still , a store is just a way ot delivering
[19:40] <ogra_> sure, you could call it however you want :)
[19:41] <ogra_> i dont even think we have any official name for it ourselves yet
[19:41] <GBean> what matters is what the admins call it, which the public sees
[19:41] <ogra_> no
[19:41] <ogra_> what matters is what marketing calls it ;)
[19:41] <ogra_> admins wont make advertisements
[19:42] <GBean> yeah I know people associate tablets/smartphones with "stores" but part of the linux experience is that people don't gouged moneywise
[19:42] <ogra_> lol
[19:43] <ogra_> you are aware that the biggest amount of aenduser linux installations is called android, right ?
[19:43] <GBean> no
[19:44] <GBean> that's crazy
[19:44] <popey> yeah, we call it store, there's no paid apps in it ☻
[19:44] <ogra_> and the second biggest one is called chromeos
[19:44] <ogra_> (the latter hasnt been monetized by google yet, but i am sure that will happen)
[19:44] <GBean> from my experience, people haven't trusted open source until a multinational corporation endorsed it
[19:45] <ogra_> people have trusted opensroucne on servers since the internet exists
[19:45] <GBean> these are people I know who switched about 3-4 years ago from Internet Explorer to Chrome
[19:46] <ogra_> but the linux desktop market is still idling at 1-3%
[19:46] <GBean> I've been telling them to use firefox and they didn't care. Once Google Corporation pushed Chrome, those people skipped past firefox and went to Chrome.
[19:46] <ogra_> probably 5% by now ... i have stopped following it
[19:49] <GBean> ogra_, how many Android users are aware they're using linux?
[19:49] <omac> How do I disable auto-download updates?
[19:49] <omac> At the command-line..
[19:51] <ogra_> GBean, 10% perhaps ... probably a bit more
[20:06] <sergiusens> GBean, ogra_ popey according tot he dictionary a store is just a place where your store stuff to find; a store doesn't imply sales from my pov
[20:10] <GBean> sergiusens, public relations people would do market research and ask people what they think is meant by "store". I'm guessing most people will think it's a place where things are for sale for a price. But lots of people are now used to smartphone/tablet "stores" as having apps that are free.
[20:12] <GBean> so market research across several demographics and see what people think of "store" versus "download center" or "repository"
[20:13] <sergiusens> GBean, I think of download centar a place to get trojans and spam (download.com) and repository I guess is a geek term
[20:13] <sergiusens> so when you store stuff, it's because you plan on selling it?
[20:14] <GBean> usually I associate "store" with a place full things for sale and nothing is free
[20:14] <GBean> but right now I'm looking into Cyanogenmod as I haven't known much about it
[20:15] <GBean> I've been using the old laptops of people who dumped them for ipads ;)
[20:15] <GBean> and have only recently been looking into tablets
[20:16] <GBean> I think lots of people are not aware that they can be using community linux versions on Android devices, and this sounds very interesting to me
[20:17] <GBean> I'd like to know how Ubuntu Touch compares to Cyanogenmod
[20:20] <GBean> actually, I read about this recently
[20:21] <GBean> this is it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/FAQ#How_is_Ubuntu_Touch_connected_to_Android.3F
[20:21] <GBean> to Ubuntu Touch is better than CyanogenMod, based on what I read there
[20:21] <GBean> "Ubuntu now is the underlying Operating System and the few remaining Android bits are started inside an lxc container during boot"
[20:22] <GBean> this is what gets me interested in Ubuntu Touch
[20:23] <GBean> I want it to be as fully linux as possible
[20:26] <popey> it is linux ☻
[20:27] <GBean> I think I'm confusing myself here. I was interpreting "Android" as having more proprietary integrations whereas the Ubuntu Touch would be more open source. I'm not sure which one is more open source.
[20:27] <popey> one of the goals is to be more open than android
[20:27] <GBean> or which one gives the end user more capabilities
[20:28] <GBean> popey, that's what I like to hear
[20:35] <rsalveti> sergiusens: pong pong
[20:49] <robert1_> hi guys, i'm connected on my nexus4 via terminal (phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/Pictures$), how can i get my pics on my pc?
[20:50] <ogra_> define "via terminal"
[20:50] <ogra_> adb ? ssh ?
[20:50] <robert1_> ogra_, hi, adb
[20:50] <ogra_> if you are connected via adb you should be able to ise mtp as well, it is enabled by default
[20:50] <ogra_> (read: just use your filemanager)
[20:51] <ogra_> s/ise/use/
[20:51] <ogra_> if that doesnt work for whatever reason, you can use adb pull (but thats a bit painful) or enable ssh and pull it via scp
[20:55] <robert1_> ogra_, no, sorry, the device is not showing in the filemanager 12.04 here, on a live-session 13.10 it was showed, i have no ssh installed, so i would like to use adb pull, can you please give me the correct command?
[20:55] <ogra_> ah, yeah, 12.04 has issues with mtp devices
[20:56] <ogra_> adb pull /home/phablet/Pictures/nameofyourpicturehere.jpg .
[20:56] <ogra_> something like that
[20:56] <ogra_> and you have to do that for each picture iirc ... adb wont support *.jpg
[20:57] <ogra_> but if you use 12.04 you will definitely have an ssh client installed
[20:57] <ogra_> adb shell start ssh
[20:57] <ogra_> adb shell ifconfig
[20:57] <ogra_> grab the IP for the wlan device from there
[20:58] <ogra_> then scp phablet@ipyoufoundoutabove:/hoome/phablet/Pictures/* .
[21:00] <robert1_> ogra_, adb pull /home/phablet/Pictures/nameofyourpicturehere.jpg works great for me, thank you :-)
[21:00] <ogra_> ok
[21:00] <ogra_> i guess it depends how many you have to pull :)
[21:01] <robert1_> ogra_, yes, for my 2 pictures its ok
[21:01] <ogra_> heh, true
[21:01] <sergiusens> ogra_, robert1_ you can adb pull /home/phablet/Pictures localdir
[21:01] <sergiusens> it will walk the tree
[21:01] <ogra_> oh ?
[21:02] <ogra_> never worked for me when i tried
[21:02] <ogra_> (though since we have mtp i didnt try anymore :P)
[21:02] <sergiusens> ogra_, that's how I push all the tests ;-)
[21:02] <robert1_> sergiusens, ah ok, thats sounds good, i will try
[21:02] <GBean> popey, forgot to mention voip ;) one of the most important apps
[21:02] <sergiusens> ogra_, what doesn't work is passing matchers such as *
[21:02] <ogra_> right
[21:03] <ogra_> i didnt know it automatically walks the tree
[21:03] <ogra_> always tried wildcards
[21:03] <robert1_> robert@Ideapad-S205:~$ adb pull /home/phablet/Pictures
[21:03] <robert1_> pull: building file list...
[21:03] <robert1_> pull: /home/phablet/Pictures/image20140314_0001.jpg -> ./image20140314_0001.jpg
[21:03] <robert1_> pull: /home/phablet/Pictures/image20140210_0003.jpg -> ./image20140210_0003.jpg
[21:03] <robert1_> 2 files pulled. 0 files skipped.
[21:03] <robert1_> 2007 KB/s (2648493 bytes in 1.288s)
[21:03] <robert1_> robert@Ideapad-S205:~$
[21:03] <ogra_> cool
[21:06] <GBean> hope someone works on Kim Dotcom's skype alternative, which will be encrypted
[21:06] <GBean> get an app for that
[21:07] <GBean> here's Kim Dotcom talking about his major encrypted cloud and communications infrastructure he's building: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvwe9nGVkxQ
[21:13] <GBean> http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/19/kim-dotcom-mega-cloud-storage-launches-for-early-adopters/
[21:24] <robert1_> If I want to install an other version, via "ubuntu-device-flash -channel=saucy -revision=XXX", will i keep my data?
[21:26] <robert1_> works this command also with "ubuntu-device-flash -channel=trusty -revision=XXX"?
[21:27] <sergiusens> robert1_, as long as you don't --wipe or don't --bootstrap you should be fine
[21:27] <sergiusens> robert1_, you generally don't need to pass --revision
[21:28] <milad> اه
[21:28] <milad> hi to every body
[21:28] <milad> im have e problem
[21:28] <milad> by install ubuntu touch on my  memo pad tabled
[21:30] <robert1_> sergiusens, thanks, you mean "ubuntu-device-flash -channel=trusty=XXX"
[21:32] <milad> this
[21:33] <milad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[21:34] <Toad1359> When is an ubuntu phone due to hit shelves?
[21:34] <sergiusens> robert1_, just ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty
[21:34] <milad> ok
[21:35] <popey> Toad1359: later this year
[21:35] <popey> GBean: i agree about voip
[21:35] <Toad1359> Thanks.
[21:36] <milad> can i boot 2 grub on boot grub
[21:36] <milad> ?
[21:36] <milad> android and ubuntu at beginnig
[21:38] <parsix> ok
[21:39] <parsix> how can install ubuntu touch on tablet
[21:39] <robert1_> sergiusens, but where in the command i type in the rev-No.? perhaps "ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty=236" ?
[21:39] <parsix> are u have video training ?
[21:40] <sergiusens> robert1_, use --revision; what I said was that you don't need to pass a specific revision most of the time
[21:42] <robert1_> sergiusens, yes you're right but with rev. 237 i have several problems, thats the reason i will a littlebit downgrading
[21:51] <robert1_> if i try "ubuntu-device-flash" the terminal say "command not found". Why? (device is listed with "adb devices")
[21:56] <robert1_> sorry my fault, i must first install ubuntu-device-flash
[22:00] <robert1_> what means that? robert@Ideapad-S205:~$ ubuntu-device-flash -channel=trusty -revision=236
[22:00] <robert1_> unknown flag `c'
[22:00] <robert1_> robert@Ideapad-S205:~$
[22:00] <cjwatson> --channel not -channel
[22:00] <cjwatson> also --revision not -revision
[22:01] <robert1_> cjwatson, ok, thanks, that should be changed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[22:02] <cjwatson> Indeed, fixing
[22:03] <cjwatson> (Though it's a wiki, anyone can fix it)
[22:14] <cwayne> is there a way to emit signals from go to catch in qml?
[22:30] <omac> How disable auto-download updates at the command-line?