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daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/elmz7cdq9mwiz7p/VID_20140315_004248.mp400:47
daftykinsclassic Worms 200:47
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5CjldZLXiAU01:01
daftykinsdiddledan: gimme a waffle01:06
diddledandoes anyone know what the difference is between netgear prosafe plus switches and netgear prosafe smart switches?02:16
mapphey04:27
shauno_diddledan: plus are unmanaged?06:53
shauno_ooh, timestamps.  oops06:53
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:02
mappmorning all09:03
mapphey brobostigon09:03
brobostigonmorning mapp09:04
mappany plans for today pal09:08
brobostigonyes, need to get a new watchstrap for my pebble, the rubber watchstrap that came with it, irritates my eczema sometimes.09:08
mappah09:09
mappnever used a pebble09:09
MartijnVdSI never used a watch 8-)09:09
brobostigonmapp: they are very well known, but certainly here, not that many people have them.09:09
bashrcI had fancy watches in the 1980s.  The novelty soon wore off09:13
bashrctoday I will be mostly attempting to install ubuntu touch09:26
mappcool09:45
mappon what809:46
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bashrcmapp: on nexus 410:13
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bashrcfirst I need to install ubuntu on a netbook and then use that to flash the phone10:14
foobarrymorning10:21
bashrcmorning10:22
foobarrydoing a dist-upgrade ..500MB phew10:30
foobarrytoo many apps10:31
mappgah10:38
mappcant stop sneezing..horrid hayfever i guess10:38
mappbashrc nexus4 is that a phone?10:38
mappmorning foobarry10:38
popeybpip pip10:38
popeybashrc: you can flash it without ubuntu10:39
foobarryjust checking out my swag from yesterdays tech show10:39
foobarryprob 40 pens, 5 foam balls, coasters, sweets, gym bags, a lunch cool bag, some mugs, an led lenser torch and an iluv speaker10:40
mappwhered you go10:41
foobarryinsight show @ billinsgate10:41
foobarryi got scanned a lot though so i will be spammed relentlessly10:41
mappyou went tothe fish market?10:42
mapp:D10:42
mapphad to googlw billinsgate heh10:42
foobarrygot the most awesome torch i've ever seen10:42
foobarryscared to look directly at it10:42
mapphmm10:44
mappWOK10:44
mapp20:1210:44
mappSOT10:44
mapp23:0610:44
mapp2hr5410:44
foobarrywoking/10:44
mappnext one arrives 01;20 didnt even know they run that late10:44
mappyes10:44
foobarrydo u drive?10:44
mappnope10:44
foobarryshame, prob a quick journey10:44
mappelse id drive back:)10:44
foobarrySOT southampton?10:45
mappstoke on trent10:45
foobarryah10:45
mappwonder why the 23;06 train takes an hr longer10:45
mappmust stop somewhere10:45
foobarrymy mate studied there, went to some parties in the 90s10:45
mappah no doesnt leave euston till 22;5010:45
mappone things for sure i bet id get a whole carriage to myself10:46
mapplast time i got a train at like 8pm i had an entire coach to myself!!10:46
Lee_I need some help. Anybody online?10:49
mappyes10:49
MartijnVdS!ask10:49
lubotu3Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience10:49
Lee_I'm new, so didn't know that. I'm installing Ubuntu as I type and I have accidentally enabled the assistive techs. Any way to disable it?10:49
mappnot even sure what that is O_o10:50
Lee_Screen Reader and High Contrast options are turned on. How do I disable them? I can't access the system settings as Ubuntu is being installed.10:51
mappah10:51
mappid just wait then must be a way once installed10:51
Lee_Okay. This is really annoying, btw.10:52
mappsec will google10:52
MartijnVdSLee_: in the control panel (top right -> system settings) you can turn it off again10:53
mapphttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123654510:53
Lee_There are no system settings or control panel. I have two icons at top-right, ascessibility and network.10:54
mappIf you can manage to click on the applet in the notification area, click it, open the preferences and uncheck the checkboxes.10:56
Lee_What applet?10:56
mappim not sure sorry ;/ maybe wait till its installed10:58
Lee_Sure. Thanks for trying. :p10:58
bashrcnetbook install is progressing.  The first thing I do is go to privacy and turn off web results.  I don't want to send all my searches to Mark Shuttleworth - no matter how nice he may be10:59
Lee_Why are so many people online in this chat channel when they don't have anything to ask and neither they are helping.11:01
bashrcI set up a daemon which is more or less permanently logged in11:02
mappa place to hang out Lee_11:02
bashrcthe advantage is that you can see earlier conversations11:02
mappeasier to stay than go and come back imo11:02
Lee_We can?11:02
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mappya11:05
Lee_Installed 92%11:12
Lee_If this is a place to hang out, why isn't anyone chatting? Is there a was to send private messages?11:13
mappyea pm someone11:14
mappand its the weekend11:14
mapppeople have families and stuff to do11:14
Lee_Then why are they online?11:16
Lee_They're using a software or something?11:16
Lee_I'm using a website called webchat.freenode.net instead of an IRC client.11:16
mappyea11:17
mappusing irc clients..applications11:17
awilkinsNoob nilgroks concept of lurking11:26
bashrcis nilgrok in the Jargon File ?11:32
mappwhats that?11:34
mappO_o11:34
bashrchttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon_File11:36
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bashrchttp://www.jargondb.org/glossary/nil11:41
bashrcexample: "she nilgrokked the gonkulator"11:50
bashrcinstallation complete13:01
bashrcwhen flashing ubuntu touch how long does it take?13:25
mappsask Knightwise he was trying it yesteday13:25
mappsnot sure how far he gt13:26
mappsgot13:26
popeybashrc: which device?13:30
popeywhat state is the device in right now and how are you flashing it13:30
bashrcah, seems to be going now.  I hadn't unlocked the bootloader13:30
bashrcpopey: nexus 413:30
bashrcobtained specially for the purpose of running ubuntu touch13:31
daftykinsD:13:33
popeynice13:34
bashrcI wanted to see what it's like and maybe try developing apps13:35
popeydaftykins: http://imgur.com/gallery/DfeEkgC13:35
popeybashrc: we have #ubuntu-touch for phone chat where many of the devs hang out and #ubuntu-app-devel where app devs hang out fyi13:35
bashrcok13:35
daftykinspopey: :D13:36
popeybetter ☻13:38
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daftykinsi was rather briefly expressing my shock at the obtaining of a Nexus solely to play with Touch13:43
daftykinsbashrc: was it second hand? are they going quite cheap now?13:43
bashrcdaftykins: yes second hand.  It had German language Android 4.2 on it13:46
daftykinsah-har13:47
bashrcdo the channels exist simultaneously or do you have to flash seperate ones?13:47
popeyyou choose which channel and stay on it13:48
popeyI recommend the devel (trusty) channel13:48
bashrcok13:48
popeyI have 3 devices here, one always devel, one always devel-proposed and one I flash daily to muck about with13:49
bashrcdevel-proposed is the latest git/bzr?13:49
popeydevel-proposed is latest, but will break now and then13:50
bashrcok13:51
popeyits a bit broken today because we just landed qt5.213:51
popeywill be fixed next week13:51
popeywe generate an image every day, often twice or more a day13:51
bashrcrelease early and often :)13:51
popeythe QA dashboard shows how well or badly they test http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/13:51
popeyindeed13:51
popeyi should record my intro video for my google helpouts13:53
popeyneed to watch a few more to get inspiration13:53
daftykins#ubuntu does seem to be getting more potential users wandering in13:54
daftykinsfor the time being funneling them off to -touch is the only thing to do, be neat if they had some easily available 'dummys guide intro' though13:55
daftykinsnot that i've even googled to see if such a thing exists already :>13:55
popeydummies guide to what? using or installing?13:56
daftykinseither13:56
daftykinsalthough i suppose publicising flashing devices could get pretty hairy :D13:57
popeywe have docs for flashing, but not using13:57
popeyas that changes over time13:57
bashrcinstalled14:07
bashrcmy first impression is that from a visual design point of view this looks nicer than android14:08
daftykins;)14:09
bashrcmultitouch works well14:09
bashrcah the dreaded facebook14:12
bashrcone fairly critical app for me would be keepassx, or something equivalent.  Otherwise all my passwords are just long random strings14:13
bashrcheh, my guess is that Friendica doesn't recognise whatever browser ubuntu touch uses.  It's using something like greek language14:22
popeybashrc: port it ☻14:23
bashrcthe friendica thing is a bug with Friendica, just because ubuntu touch is new14:24
bashrckeepassx might be worth porting14:24
daftykinspopey: my feet are a pillow apparently https://www.dropbox.com/s/xee6nhp7sgif7aw/IMG_20140315_141905.jpg14:25
popey4awww14:25
popey-14:25
popeybashrc: i can imagine others enjoying a port of keepassx14:25
popeyyou know we have an app showdown running?14:25
popeyhttp://developer.ubuntu.com/2014/02/announcing-the-latest-ubuntu-app-showdown-contest/14:25
bashrcanother think I notice on friendica is that the browser keeps complaining about my untrusted certificate.  Is there any way to turn ssl warnings off?14:26
popeynot that I'm aware of yet14:26
popeythe browser is going to change soon as we switch to oxide i think14:26
bashrcwhat browser is it using currently?14:26
popeyour own one based on webkit14:31
popeyhttp://launchpad.net/webbrowser-app14:32
bashrcso.  Is there a terminal app for ubuntu touch yet?15:10
bashrcor can I ssh into the phone?15:13
popeybashrc: both15:34
popeybashrc: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-15-153524.png15:35
popey(tablet on side)15:35
ali1234popey: does webbrowser-app have ad blocking?15:56
ali1234yesterday i had to install adblock plus on my tablet because nearly all webpages are serving android malware through ads these days15:57
ali1234had a quick go with firefox but it is so buggy as to be unusable15:57
brobostigonok, i got my measuring alittle wrong, my new pebble watchstrap is a few mm off on the smaller side, will it still work and no do any damage?15:57
ali1234plus it doesn't support intents properly15:57
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popeyali1234: not at the moment, no16:27
DJonesI bet czajkowski was just about to string the video ref up if he'd allowed that try18:51
daftykinsali1234: adblock edge > adblock plus18:52
daftykinshttp://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-71f844678379ca13e8a9c6556bac78b4?convert_to_webp=true18:59
daftykinshehehe18:59
popeyhah19:06
foobarryhttp://theverybesttop10.com/2014/03/15/cardboard-cat-art/#Caturday19:28
foobarryworth getting a cat for this alone19:29
mappsjust started watching arrow19:29
mapps;[19:29
mapps;] even19:29
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ali1234directhex: how much does datacentre electricity cost compared to residential?20:39
ali1234(or anyone else with experience)20:39
ali1234shauno maybe?20:39
penguin42ali1234: Hmm from which point20:41
penguin42ali1234: The cost to someone buying a server or the cost to the datacentre owner?20:41
ali1234the cost to the datacentre owner20:41
MartijnVdSali1234: considering moving to an airconditioned data floor? ;)20:41
ali1234or the rate someone would get if they owned more than half the machines in the datacentre20:42
penguin42ali1234: I'm not sure but you might be able to find those rates - I guess some industrial tarriff20:42
ali1234it's gonna be cheaper though, right?20:43
penguin42ali1234: I assume so, but I think they're under odd contracts - like you contract to buy so many MW in advance20:44
ali1234https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/international-industrial-energy-prices20:44
shaunoit tends to run cheaper just because it's predictable.  providers hate spikey customers.  but I don't know numbers20:44
ali1234i don't need exact figures, just ballpark :)20:45
ali1234those spreadsheets appear to be horribly broken20:46
penguin42interesting - you should be putting your data centre in Belgium20:46
penguin42ali1234: Works here20:46
ali1234must be gnumeric then20:46
penguin42ali1234: LibreOffice was OK with it20:46
penguin42ali1234: I went for the quarterly industrial small/medium/large one20:47
ali1234same20:47
penguin42ali1234: Don't forget the data centre has a lot of per/kW provision extra costs - cooling adds about 1/3rd in energy usage, UPS adds some, generator provision etc20:48
directhexali1234, it's hard to calulate exact numbers, as it's hard to separate out the cost of electiricty, the cost of cooling, the cost of general estates charges20:49
ali1234it has to be more efficient though, or nobody would do it :)20:51
shaunocooling's awesome.  every watt you stick into a computer, you spend another watt moving the heat20:52
directhexali1234, the efficiency comes from the cooling20:52
directhexshauno, we had about 2:1 on compute:cooling power consumption20:53
directhexwith air20:53
penguin42shauno: The aircon systems aren't that efficient, even before you start having to add resilience against one failing20:54
penguin42shauno: Of course american air con systems, for every watt you stick into your computer, you get some number of BTU out, and then need so many tonne of cooling - madness20:55
shaunoI'm not sure we take enough credit for that ;)20:59
MartijnVdSBritish Thermal Units?20:59
* zenpho dances around the room to skin tight by the ohio players ;o)20:59
penguin42MartijnVdS: Nod, we never use them20:59
shaunobtu are actually pretty logical, once you assume the rest of the 'standard' system21:01
MartijnVdSso are Watts21:01
ali1234well wikipedia says that BTU is a measurement of energy21:04
ali1234but watt is a measurement of power21:04
penguin42ali1234: Right, but I think you actually measure your computers in kWh not kW21:04
ali1234nah, i measure mine in kW21:05
shaunobtu is closest to kcal in metric.  1 pound of water by 1 degree F, vs 1 kilo of water by 1 degree C21:05
daftykinsforeignheit :(21:06
shaunobut we never see thermal calories used, just cocacola calories, so it sounds guanocrazy21:07
shauno(which is btu will drive penguin42 crazy.  they're not just using weird units.  they're measuring different things)21:08
ali12341 kcal = slightly less than 4 BTU21:08
ali12341 kilojoule = slightly more than 1 BTU21:08
shaunoreminds me, I managed to prove a customer wrong by invoking the laws of physics :)21:10
penguin42shauno: Right so watt is energy/time like kWh is21:10
ali1234yes21:10
ali1234kWh per hour is a measurement of power - also known as watts :)21:11
ali1234kilowatts sorry :)21:11
shauno(they were adamant we were blocking them at our network, because their packet trace showed our IP on the ack/rst packet.  I pointed out the same capture showed they were getting the RST returned in <1ms.  they're in singapore, we're in paris.  unpossible!)21:11
zenphotriangu-location via timestamps - love it!21:15
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* zenpho_ is away21:16
shaunojust nice to spot the tiny details :)  <1ms is almost guaranteed to be their network.  but with this one being in singapore, the speed of light says it isn't us21:18
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mappscant wait for may 5th..24s back:D23:38
ali1234you know it's going to suck23:40
ali1234shows always do when they get brought back23:40
directhex24 is still just neocon porn, right? HERO WHITE MAN TORTURES RAGHEADS UNTIL THEY TELL HIM HOW TO DEFUSE THE BOMB23:41
directhexin lighter news, i have my first successful install/boot of Ye Olde rebuilt against valve's iso images rather than an ancient zip installer23:43
daftykins\o/23:44
daftykinsdirecthex: just let us know when there's a torrent to seed :>23:44
directhexdaftykins, ta :)23:44
directhexi have a radeon 4000 in the mail. i intend to fix that limitation & allow non-fglrx23:45
daftykins\o/23:45
daftykinsooh, a legacy beast eh23:45
daftykinstwo birds with one stone?23:45
directhexok. so i'm at the very least back where i started23:49
directhexi had to revert one updated package for now, as it breaks the install23:49
directhexbed for now. next week i'm off, looking after the wife. should have time to verify that mdraid works, also dmraid and lvm23:50
directhexand install from usb as well as dvd23:50
mappslol directhex23:51
mappsand ali1234 maybe but im hoping itll be good and not a complete let down23:51
directhexbasically, testing up the wazoo. i think there's a dmraid bug in debian23:51
directhexi can work around it in post_install though. but testtesttesttest23:57
directhexwish i had a testing pc for this :/23:57
daftykinshmm my samsung smart TV is running a web server but all it displays is a 404 :>23:58
daftykinsdirecthex: missus ok?23:59
directhexdaftykins, scheduled surgery next week23:59
directhexdaftykins, DLNA runs on http23:59
daftykinsah-har23:59
daftykinsoh right, hrmm23:59

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