[00:47] https://www.dropbox.com/s/elmz7cdq9mwiz7p/VID_20140315_004248.mp4 [00:47] classic Worms 2 [01:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5CjldZLXiAU [01:06] diddledan: gimme a waffle [02:16] does anyone know what the difference is between netgear prosafe plus switches and netgear prosafe smart switches? [04:27] hey [06:53] diddledan: plus are unmanaged? [06:53] ooh, timestamps. oops [09:02] morning boys and girls. [09:03] morning all [09:03] hey brobostigon [09:04] morning mapp [09:08] any plans for today pal [09:08] yes, need to get a new watchstrap for my pebble, the rubber watchstrap that came with it, irritates my eczema sometimes. [09:09] ah [09:09] never used a pebble [09:09] I never used a watch 8-) [09:09] mapp: they are very well known, but certainly here, not that many people have them. [09:13] I had fancy watches in the 1980s. The novelty soon wore off [09:26] today I will be mostly attempting to install ubuntu touch [09:45] cool [09:46] on what8 === shauno_ is now known as shauno [10:13] mapp: on nexus 4 === Monotoko is now known as Guest7559 [10:14] first I need to install ubuntu on a netbook and then use that to flash the phone [10:21] morning [10:22] morning [10:30] doing a dist-upgrade ..500MB phew [10:31] too many apps [10:38] gah [10:38] cant stop sneezing..horrid hayfever i guess [10:38] bashrc nexus4 is that a phone? [10:38] morning foobarry [10:38] bpip pip [10:39] bashrc: you can flash it without ubuntu [10:39] just checking out my swag from yesterdays tech show [10:40] prob 40 pens, 5 foam balls, coasters, sweets, gym bags, a lunch cool bag, some mugs, an led lenser torch and an iluv speaker [10:41] whered you go [10:41] insight show @ billinsgate [10:41] i got scanned a lot though so i will be spammed relentlessly [10:42] you went tothe fish market? [10:42] :D [10:42] had to googlw billinsgate heh [10:42] got the most awesome torch i've ever seen [10:42] scared to look directly at it [10:44] hmm [10:44] WOK [10:44] 20:12 [10:44] SOT [10:44] 23:06 [10:44] 2hr54 [10:44] woking/ [10:44] next one arrives 01;20 didnt even know they run that late [10:44] yes [10:44] do u drive? [10:44] nope [10:44] shame, prob a quick journey [10:44] else id drive back:) [10:45] SOT southampton? [10:45] stoke on trent [10:45] ah [10:45] wonder why the 23;06 train takes an hr longer [10:45] must stop somewhere [10:45] my mate studied there, went to some parties in the 90s [10:45] ah no doesnt leave euston till 22;50 [10:46] one things for sure i bet id get a whole carriage to myself [10:46] last time i got a train at like 8pm i had an entire coach to myself!! [10:49] I need some help. Anybody online? [10:49] yes [10:49] !ask [10:49] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [10:49] I'm new, so didn't know that. I'm installing Ubuntu as I type and I have accidentally enabled the assistive techs. Any way to disable it? [10:50] not even sure what that is O_o [10:51] Screen Reader and High Contrast options are turned on. How do I disable them? I can't access the system settings as Ubuntu is being installed. [10:51] ah [10:51] id just wait then must be a way once installed [10:52] Okay. This is really annoying, btw. [10:52] sec will google [10:53] Lee_: in the control panel (top right -> system settings) you can turn it off again [10:53] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236545 [10:54] There are no system settings or control panel. I have two icons at top-right, ascessibility and network. [10:56] If you can manage to click on the applet in the notification area, click it, open the preferences and uncheck the checkboxes. [10:56] What applet? [10:58] im not sure sorry ;/ maybe wait till its installed [10:58] Sure. Thanks for trying. :p [10:59] netbook install is progressing. The first thing I do is go to privacy and turn off web results. I don't want to send all my searches to Mark Shuttleworth - no matter how nice he may be [11:01] Why are so many people online in this chat channel when they don't have anything to ask and neither they are helping. [11:02] I set up a daemon which is more or less permanently logged in [11:02] a place to hang out Lee_ [11:02] the advantage is that you can see earlier conversations [11:02] easier to stay than go and come back imo [11:02] We can? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:05] ya [11:12] Installed 92% [11:13] If this is a place to hang out, why isn't anyone chatting? Is there a was to send private messages? [11:14] yea pm someone [11:14] and its the weekend [11:14] people have families and stuff to do [11:16] Then why are they online? [11:16] They're using a software or something? [11:16] I'm using a website called webchat.freenode.net instead of an IRC client. [11:17] yea [11:17] using irc clients..applications [11:26] Noob nilgroks concept of lurking [11:32] is nilgrok in the Jargon File ? [11:34] whats that? [11:34] O_o [11:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon_File === mapp is now known as mapps [11:41] http://www.jargondb.org/glossary/nil [11:50] example: "she nilgrokked the gonkulator" [13:01] installation complete [13:25] when flashing ubuntu touch how long does it take? [13:25] ask Knightwise he was trying it yesteday [13:26] not sure how far he gt [13:26] got [13:30] bashrc: which device? [13:30] what state is the device in right now and how are you flashing it [13:30] ah, seems to be going now. I hadn't unlocked the bootloader [13:30] popey: nexus 4 [13:31] obtained specially for the purpose of running ubuntu touch [13:33] D: [13:34] nice [13:35] I wanted to see what it's like and maybe try developing apps [13:35] daftykins: http://imgur.com/gallery/DfeEkgC [13:35] bashrc: we have #ubuntu-touch for phone chat where many of the devs hang out and #ubuntu-app-devel where app devs hang out fyi [13:35] ok [13:36] popey: :D [13:38] better ☻ === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [13:43] i was rather briefly expressing my shock at the obtaining of a Nexus solely to play with Touch [13:43] bashrc: was it second hand? are they going quite cheap now? [13:46] daftykins: yes second hand. It had German language Android 4.2 on it [13:47] ah-har [13:47] do the channels exist simultaneously or do you have to flash seperate ones? [13:48] you choose which channel and stay on it [13:48] I recommend the devel (trusty) channel [13:48] ok [13:49] I have 3 devices here, one always devel, one always devel-proposed and one I flash daily to muck about with [13:49] devel-proposed is the latest git/bzr? [13:50] devel-proposed is latest, but will break now and then [13:51] ok [13:51] its a bit broken today because we just landed qt5.2 [13:51] will be fixed next week [13:51] we generate an image every day, often twice or more a day [13:51] release early and often :) [13:51] the QA dashboard shows how well or badly they test http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/ [13:51] indeed [13:53] i should record my intro video for my google helpouts [13:53] need to watch a few more to get inspiration [13:54] #ubuntu does seem to be getting more potential users wandering in [13:55] for the time being funneling them off to -touch is the only thing to do, be neat if they had some easily available 'dummys guide intro' though [13:55] not that i've even googled to see if such a thing exists already :> [13:56] dummies guide to what? using or installing? [13:56] either [13:57] although i suppose publicising flashing devices could get pretty hairy :D [13:57] we have docs for flashing, but not using [13:57] as that changes over time [14:07] installed [14:08] my first impression is that from a visual design point of view this looks nicer than android [14:09] ;) [14:09] multitouch works well [14:12] ah the dreaded facebook [14:13] one fairly critical app for me would be keepassx, or something equivalent. Otherwise all my passwords are just long random strings [14:22] heh, my guess is that Friendica doesn't recognise whatever browser ubuntu touch uses. It's using something like greek language [14:23] bashrc: port it ☻ [14:24] the friendica thing is a bug with Friendica, just because ubuntu touch is new [14:24] keepassx might be worth porting [14:25] popey: my feet are a pillow apparently https://www.dropbox.com/s/xee6nhp7sgif7aw/IMG_20140315_141905.jpg [14:25] 4awww [14:25] - [14:25] bashrc: i can imagine others enjoying a port of keepassx [14:25] you know we have an app showdown running? [14:25] http://developer.ubuntu.com/2014/02/announcing-the-latest-ubuntu-app-showdown-contest/ [14:26] another think I notice on friendica is that the browser keeps complaining about my untrusted certificate. Is there any way to turn ssl warnings off? [14:26] not that I'm aware of yet [14:26] the browser is going to change soon as we switch to oxide i think [14:26] what browser is it using currently? [14:31] our own one based on webkit [14:32] http://launchpad.net/webbrowser-app [15:10] so. Is there a terminal app for ubuntu touch yet? [15:13] or can I ssh into the phone? [15:34] bashrc: both [15:35] bashrc: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-15-153524.png [15:35] (tablet on side) [15:56] popey: does webbrowser-app have ad blocking? [15:57] yesterday i had to install adblock plus on my tablet because nearly all webpages are serving android malware through ads these days [15:57] had a quick go with firefox but it is so buggy as to be unusable [15:57] ok, i got my measuring alittle wrong, my new pebble watchstrap is a few mm off on the smaller side, will it still work and no do any damage? [15:57] plus it doesn't support intents properly === stryx`_ is now known as stryx` [16:27] ali1234: not at the moment, no [18:51] I bet czajkowski was just about to string the video ref up if he'd allowed that try [18:52] ali1234: adblock edge > adblock plus [18:59] http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-71f844678379ca13e8a9c6556bac78b4?convert_to_webp=true [18:59] hehehe [19:06] hah [19:28] http://theverybesttop10.com/2014/03/15/cardboard-cat-art/#Caturday [19:29] worth getting a cat for this alone [19:29] just started watching arrow [19:29] ;[ [19:29] ;] even === zenpho_ is now known as zenpho [20:39] directhex: how much does datacentre electricity cost compared to residential? [20:39] (or anyone else with experience) [20:39] shauno maybe? [20:41] ali1234: Hmm from which point [20:41] ali1234: The cost to someone buying a server or the cost to the datacentre owner? [20:41] the cost to the datacentre owner [20:41] ali1234: considering moving to an airconditioned data floor? ;) [20:42] or the rate someone would get if they owned more than half the machines in the datacentre [20:42] ali1234: I'm not sure but you might be able to find those rates - I guess some industrial tarriff [20:43] it's gonna be cheaper though, right? [20:44] ali1234: I assume so, but I think they're under odd contracts - like you contract to buy so many MW in advance [20:44] https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/international-industrial-energy-prices [20:44] it tends to run cheaper just because it's predictable. providers hate spikey customers. but I don't know numbers [20:45] i don't need exact figures, just ballpark :) [20:46] those spreadsheets appear to be horribly broken [20:46] interesting - you should be putting your data centre in Belgium [20:46] ali1234: Works here [20:46] must be gnumeric then [20:46] ali1234: LibreOffice was OK with it [20:47] ali1234: I went for the quarterly industrial small/medium/large one [20:47] same [20:48] ali1234: Don't forget the data centre has a lot of per/kW provision extra costs - cooling adds about 1/3rd in energy usage, UPS adds some, generator provision etc [20:49] ali1234, it's hard to calulate exact numbers, as it's hard to separate out the cost of electiricty, the cost of cooling, the cost of general estates charges [20:51] it has to be more efficient though, or nobody would do it :) [20:52] cooling's awesome. every watt you stick into a computer, you spend another watt moving the heat [20:52] ali1234, the efficiency comes from the cooling [20:53] shauno, we had about 2:1 on compute:cooling power consumption [20:53] with air [20:54] shauno: The aircon systems aren't that efficient, even before you start having to add resilience against one failing [20:55] shauno: Of course american air con systems, for every watt you stick into your computer, you get some number of BTU out, and then need so many tonne of cooling - madness [20:59] I'm not sure we take enough credit for that ;) [20:59] British Thermal Units? [20:59] * zenpho dances around the room to skin tight by the ohio players ;o) [20:59] MartijnVdS: Nod, we never use them [21:01] btu are actually pretty logical, once you assume the rest of the 'standard' system [21:01] so are Watts [21:04] well wikipedia says that BTU is a measurement of energy [21:04] but watt is a measurement of power [21:04] ali1234: Right, but I think you actually measure your computers in kWh not kW [21:05] nah, i measure mine in kW [21:05] btu is closest to kcal in metric. 1 pound of water by 1 degree F, vs 1 kilo of water by 1 degree C [21:06] foreignheit :( [21:07] but we never see thermal calories used, just cocacola calories, so it sounds guanocrazy [21:08] (which is btu will drive penguin42 crazy. they're not just using weird units. they're measuring different things) [21:08] 1 kcal = slightly less than 4 BTU [21:08] 1 kilojoule = slightly more than 1 BTU [21:10] reminds me, I managed to prove a customer wrong by invoking the laws of physics :) [21:10] shauno: Right so watt is energy/time like kWh is [21:10] yes [21:11] kWh per hour is a measurement of power - also known as watts :) [21:11] kilowatts sorry :) [21:11] (they were adamant we were blocking them at our network, because their packet trace showed our IP on the ack/rst packet. I pointed out the same capture showed they were getting the RST returned in <1ms. they're in singapore, we're in paris. unpossible!) [21:15] triangu-location via timestamps - love it! === zenpho is now known as zenpho_ [21:16] * zenpho_ is away [21:18] just nice to spot the tiny details :) <1ms is almost guaranteed to be their network. but with this one being in singapore, the speed of light says it isn't us === hazrpg_ is now known as hazrpg [23:38] cant wait for may 5th..24s back:D [23:40] you know it's going to suck [23:40] shows always do when they get brought back [23:41] 24 is still just neocon porn, right? HERO WHITE MAN TORTURES RAGHEADS UNTIL THEY TELL HIM HOW TO DEFUSE THE BOMB [23:43] in lighter news, i have my first successful install/boot of Ye Olde rebuilt against valve's iso images rather than an ancient zip installer [23:44] \o/ [23:44] directhex: just let us know when there's a torrent to seed :> [23:44] daftykins, ta :) [23:45] i have a radeon 4000 in the mail. i intend to fix that limitation & allow non-fglrx [23:45] \o/ [23:45] ooh, a legacy beast eh [23:45] two birds with one stone? [23:49] ok. so i'm at the very least back where i started [23:49] i had to revert one updated package for now, as it breaks the install [23:50] bed for now. next week i'm off, looking after the wife. should have time to verify that mdraid works, also dmraid and lvm [23:50] and install from usb as well as dvd [23:51] lol directhex [23:51] and ali1234 maybe but im hoping itll be good and not a complete let down [23:51] basically, testing up the wazoo. i think there's a dmraid bug in debian [23:57] i can work around it in post_install though. but testtesttesttest [23:57] wish i had a testing pc for this :/ [23:58] hmm my samsung smart TV is running a web server but all it displays is a 404 :> [23:59] directhex: missus ok? [23:59] daftykins, scheduled surgery next week [23:59] daftykins, DLNA runs on http [23:59] ah-har [23:59] oh right, hrmm