[00:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/elmz7cdq9mwiz7p/VID_20140315_004248.mp4
[00:47] <daftykins> classic Worms 2
[01:01] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5CjldZLXiAU
[01:06] <daftykins> diddledan: gimme a waffle
[02:16] <diddledan> does anyone know what the difference is between netgear prosafe plus switches and netgear prosafe smart switches?
[04:27] <mapp> hey
[06:53] <shauno_> diddledan: plus are unmanaged?
[06:53] <shauno_> ooh, timestamps.  oops
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <mapp> morning all
[09:03] <mapp> hey brobostigon
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning mapp
[09:08] <mapp> any plans for today pal
[09:08] <brobostigon> yes, need to get a new watchstrap for my pebble, the rubber watchstrap that came with it, irritates my eczema sometimes.
[09:09] <mapp> ah
[09:09] <mapp> never used a pebble
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> I never used a watch 8-)
[09:09] <brobostigon> mapp: they are very well known, but certainly here, not that many people have them.
[09:13] <bashrc> I had fancy watches in the 1980s.  The novelty soon wore off
[09:26] <bashrc> today I will be mostly attempting to install ubuntu touch
[09:45] <mapp> cool
[09:46] <mapp> on what8
[10:13] <bashrc> mapp: on nexus 4
[10:14] <bashrc> first I need to install ubuntu on a netbook and then use that to flash the phone
[10:21] <foobarry> morning
[10:22] <bashrc> morning
[10:30] <foobarry> doing a dist-upgrade ..500MB phew
[10:31] <foobarry> too many apps
[10:38] <mapp> gah
[10:38] <mapp> cant stop sneezing..horrid hayfever i guess
[10:38] <mapp> bashrc nexus4 is that a phone?
[10:38] <mapp> morning foobarry
[10:38] <popey> bpip pip
[10:39] <popey> bashrc: you can flash it without ubuntu
[10:39] <foobarry> just checking out my swag from yesterdays tech show
[10:40] <foobarry> prob 40 pens, 5 foam balls, coasters, sweets, gym bags, a lunch cool bag, some mugs, an led lenser torch and an iluv speaker
[10:41] <mapp> whered you go
[10:41] <foobarry> insight show @ billinsgate
[10:41] <foobarry> i got scanned a lot though so i will be spammed relentlessly
[10:42] <mapp> you went tothe fish market?
[10:42] <mapp> :D
[10:42] <mapp> had to googlw billinsgate heh
[10:42] <foobarry> got the most awesome torch i've ever seen
[10:42] <foobarry> scared to look directly at it
[10:44] <mapp> hmm
[10:44] <mapp> WOK
[10:44] <mapp> 20:12
[10:44] <mapp> SOT
[10:44] <mapp> 23:06
[10:44] <mapp> 2hr54
[10:44] <foobarry> woking/
[10:44] <mapp> next one arrives 01;20 didnt even know they run that late
[10:44] <mapp> yes
[10:44] <foobarry> do u drive?
[10:44] <mapp> nope
[10:44] <foobarry> shame, prob a quick journey
[10:44] <mapp> else id drive back:)
[10:45] <foobarry> SOT southampton?
[10:45] <mapp> stoke on trent
[10:45] <foobarry> ah
[10:45] <mapp> wonder why the 23;06 train takes an hr longer
[10:45] <mapp> must stop somewhere
[10:45] <foobarry> my mate studied there, went to some parties in the 90s
[10:45] <mapp> ah no doesnt leave euston till 22;50
[10:46] <mapp> one things for sure i bet id get a whole carriage to myself
[10:46] <mapp> last time i got a train at like 8pm i had an entire coach to myself!!
[10:49] <Lee_> I need some help. Anybody online?
[10:49] <mapp> yes
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[10:49] <Lee_> I'm new, so didn't know that. I'm installing Ubuntu as I type and I have accidentally enabled the assistive techs. Any way to disable it?
[10:50] <mapp> not even sure what that is O_o
[10:51] <Lee_> Screen Reader and High Contrast options are turned on. How do I disable them? I can't access the system settings as Ubuntu is being installed.
[10:51] <mapp> ah
[10:51] <mapp> id just wait then must be a way once installed
[10:52] <Lee_> Okay. This is really annoying, btw.
[10:52] <mapp> sec will google
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Lee_: in the control panel (top right -> system settings) you can turn it off again
[10:53] <mapp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236545
[10:54] <Lee_> There are no system settings or control panel. I have two icons at top-right, ascessibility and network.
[10:56] <mapp> If you can manage to click on the applet in the notification area, click it, open the preferences and uncheck the checkboxes.
[10:56] <Lee_> What applet?
[10:58] <mapp> im not sure sorry ;/ maybe wait till its installed
[10:58] <Lee_> Sure. Thanks for trying. :p
[10:59] <bashrc> netbook install is progressing.  The first thing I do is go to privacy and turn off web results.  I don't want to send all my searches to Mark Shuttleworth - no matter how nice he may be
[11:01] <Lee_> Why are so many people online in this chat channel when they don't have anything to ask and neither they are helping.
[11:02] <bashrc> I set up a daemon which is more or less permanently logged in
[11:02] <mapp> a place to hang out Lee_
[11:02] <bashrc> the advantage is that you can see earlier conversations
[11:02] <mapp> easier to stay than go and come back imo
[11:02] <Lee_> We can?
[11:05] <mapp> ya
[11:12] <Lee_> Installed 92%
[11:13] <Lee_> If this is a place to hang out, why isn't anyone chatting? Is there a was to send private messages?
[11:14] <mapp> yea pm someone
[11:14] <mapp> and its the weekend
[11:14] <mapp> people have families and stuff to do
[11:16] <Lee_> Then why are they online?
[11:16] <Lee_> They're using a software or something?
[11:16] <Lee_> I'm using a website called webchat.freenode.net instead of an IRC client.
[11:17] <mapp> yea
[11:17] <mapp> using irc clients..applications
[11:26] <awilkins> Noob nilgroks concept of lurking
[11:32] <bashrc> is nilgrok in the Jargon File ?
[11:34] <mapp> whats that?
[11:34] <mapp> O_o
[11:36] <bashrc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon_File
[11:41] <bashrc> http://www.jargondb.org/glossary/nil
[11:50] <bashrc> example: "she nilgrokked the gonkulator"
[13:01] <bashrc> installation complete
[13:25] <bashrc> when flashing ubuntu touch how long does it take?
[13:25] <mapps> ask Knightwise he was trying it yesteday
[13:26] <mapps> not sure how far he gt
[13:26] <mapps> got
[13:30] <popey> bashrc: which device?
[13:30] <popey> what state is the device in right now and how are you flashing it
[13:30] <bashrc> ah, seems to be going now.  I hadn't unlocked the bootloader
[13:30] <bashrc> popey: nexus 4
[13:31] <bashrc> obtained specially for the purpose of running ubuntu touch
[13:33] <daftykins> D:
[13:34] <popey> nice
[13:35] <bashrc> I wanted to see what it's like and maybe try developing apps
[13:35] <popey> daftykins: http://imgur.com/gallery/DfeEkgC
[13:35] <popey> bashrc: we have #ubuntu-touch for phone chat where many of the devs hang out and #ubuntu-app-devel where app devs hang out fyi
[13:35] <bashrc> ok
[13:36] <daftykins> popey: :D
[13:38] <popey> better ☻
[13:43] <daftykins> i was rather briefly expressing my shock at the obtaining of a Nexus solely to play with Touch
[13:43] <daftykins> bashrc: was it second hand? are they going quite cheap now?
[13:46] <bashrc> daftykins: yes second hand.  It had German language Android 4.2 on it
[13:47] <daftykins> ah-har
[13:47] <bashrc> do the channels exist simultaneously or do you have to flash seperate ones?
[13:48] <popey> you choose which channel and stay on it
[13:48] <popey> I recommend the devel (trusty) channel
[13:48] <bashrc> ok
[13:49] <popey> I have 3 devices here, one always devel, one always devel-proposed and one I flash daily to muck about with
[13:49] <bashrc> devel-proposed is the latest git/bzr?
[13:50] <popey> devel-proposed is latest, but will break now and then
[13:51] <bashrc> ok
[13:51] <popey> its a bit broken today because we just landed qt5.2
[13:51] <popey> will be fixed next week
[13:51] <popey> we generate an image every day, often twice or more a day
[13:51] <bashrc> release early and often :)
[13:51] <popey> the QA dashboard shows how well or badly they test http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/
[13:51] <popey> indeed
[13:53] <popey> i should record my intro video for my google helpouts
[13:53] <popey> need to watch a few more to get inspiration
[13:54] <daftykins> #ubuntu does seem to be getting more potential users wandering in
[13:55] <daftykins> for the time being funneling them off to -touch is the only thing to do, be neat if they had some easily available 'dummys guide intro' though
[13:55] <daftykins> not that i've even googled to see if such a thing exists already :>
[13:56] <popey> dummies guide to what? using or installing?
[13:56] <daftykins> either
[13:57] <daftykins> although i suppose publicising flashing devices could get pretty hairy :D
[13:57] <popey> we have docs for flashing, but not using
[13:57] <popey> as that changes over time
[14:07] <bashrc> installed
[14:08] <bashrc> my first impression is that from a visual design point of view this looks nicer than android
[14:09] <daftykins> ;)
[14:09] <bashrc> multitouch works well
[14:12] <bashrc> ah the dreaded facebook
[14:13] <bashrc> one fairly critical app for me would be keepassx, or something equivalent.  Otherwise all my passwords are just long random strings
[14:22] <bashrc> heh, my guess is that Friendica doesn't recognise whatever browser ubuntu touch uses.  It's using something like greek language
[14:23] <popey> bashrc: port it ☻
[14:24] <bashrc> the friendica thing is a bug with Friendica, just because ubuntu touch is new
[14:24] <bashrc> keepassx might be worth porting
[14:25] <daftykins> popey: my feet are a pillow apparently https://www.dropbox.com/s/xee6nhp7sgif7aw/IMG_20140315_141905.jpg
[14:25] <popey> 4awww
[14:25] <popey> -
[14:25] <popey> bashrc: i can imagine others enjoying a port of keepassx
[14:25] <popey> you know we have an app showdown running?
[14:25] <popey> http://developer.ubuntu.com/2014/02/announcing-the-latest-ubuntu-app-showdown-contest/
[14:26] <bashrc> another think I notice on friendica is that the browser keeps complaining about my untrusted certificate.  Is there any way to turn ssl warnings off?
[14:26] <popey> not that I'm aware of yet
[14:26] <popey> the browser is going to change soon as we switch to oxide i think
[14:26] <bashrc> what browser is it using currently?
[14:31] <popey> our own one based on webkit
[14:32] <popey> http://launchpad.net/webbrowser-app
[15:10] <bashrc> so.  Is there a terminal app for ubuntu touch yet?
[15:13] <bashrc> or can I ssh into the phone?
[15:34] <popey> bashrc: both
[15:35] <popey> bashrc: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-15-153524.png
[15:35] <popey> (tablet on side)
[15:56] <ali1234> popey: does webbrowser-app have ad blocking?
[15:57] <ali1234> yesterday i had to install adblock plus on my tablet because nearly all webpages are serving android malware through ads these days
[15:57] <ali1234> had a quick go with firefox but it is so buggy as to be unusable
[15:57] <brobostigon> ok, i got my measuring alittle wrong, my new pebble watchstrap is a few mm off on the smaller side, will it still work and no do any damage?
[15:57] <ali1234> plus it doesn't support intents properly
[16:27] <popey> ali1234: not at the moment, no
[18:51] <DJones> I bet czajkowski was just about to string the video ref up if he'd allowed that try
[18:52] <daftykins> ali1234: adblock edge > adblock plus
[18:59] <daftykins> http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-71f844678379ca13e8a9c6556bac78b4?convert_to_webp=true
[18:59] <daftykins> hehehe
[19:06] <popey> hah
[19:28] <foobarry> http://theverybesttop10.com/2014/03/15/cardboard-cat-art/#Caturday
[19:29] <foobarry> worth getting a cat for this alone
[19:29] <mapps> just started watching arrow
[19:29] <mapps> ;[
[19:29] <mapps> ;] even
[20:39] <ali1234> directhex: how much does datacentre electricity cost compared to residential?
[20:39] <ali1234> (or anyone else with experience)
[20:39] <ali1234> shauno maybe?
[20:41] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm from which point
[20:41] <penguin42> ali1234: The cost to someone buying a server or the cost to the datacentre owner?
[20:41] <ali1234> the cost to the datacentre owner
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: considering moving to an airconditioned data floor? ;)
[20:42] <ali1234> or the rate someone would get if they owned more than half the machines in the datacentre
[20:42] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm not sure but you might be able to find those rates - I guess some industrial tarriff
[20:43] <ali1234> it's gonna be cheaper though, right?
[20:44] <penguin42> ali1234: I assume so, but I think they're under odd contracts - like you contract to buy so many MW in advance
[20:44] <ali1234> https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/international-industrial-energy-prices
[20:44] <shauno> it tends to run cheaper just because it's predictable.  providers hate spikey customers.  but I don't know numbers
[20:45] <ali1234> i don't need exact figures, just ballpark :)
[20:46] <ali1234> those spreadsheets appear to be horribly broken
[20:46] <penguin42> interesting - you should be putting your data centre in Belgium
[20:46] <penguin42> ali1234: Works here
[20:46] <ali1234> must be gnumeric then
[20:46] <penguin42> ali1234: LibreOffice was OK with it
[20:47] <penguin42> ali1234: I went for the quarterly industrial small/medium/large one
[20:47] <ali1234> same
[20:48] <penguin42> ali1234: Don't forget the data centre has a lot of per/kW provision extra costs - cooling adds about 1/3rd in energy usage, UPS adds some, generator provision etc
[20:49] <directhex> ali1234, it's hard to calulate exact numbers, as it's hard to separate out the cost of electiricty, the cost of cooling, the cost of general estates charges
[20:51] <ali1234> it has to be more efficient though, or nobody would do it :)
[20:52] <shauno> cooling's awesome.  every watt you stick into a computer, you spend another watt moving the heat
[20:52] <directhex> ali1234, the efficiency comes from the cooling
[20:53] <directhex> shauno, we had about 2:1 on compute:cooling power consumption
[20:53] <directhex> with air
[20:54] <penguin42> shauno: The aircon systems aren't that efficient, even before you start having to add resilience against one failing
[20:55] <penguin42> shauno: Of course american air con systems, for every watt you stick into your computer, you get some number of BTU out, and then need so many tonne of cooling - madness
[20:59] <shauno> I'm not sure we take enough credit for that ;)
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> British Thermal Units?
[20:59]  * zenpho dances around the room to skin tight by the ohio players ;o)
[20:59] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Nod, we never use them
[21:01] <shauno> btu are actually pretty logical, once you assume the rest of the 'standard' system
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> so are Watts
[21:04] <ali1234> well wikipedia says that BTU is a measurement of energy
[21:04] <ali1234> but watt is a measurement of power
[21:04] <penguin42> ali1234: Right, but I think you actually measure your computers in kWh not kW
[21:05] <ali1234> nah, i measure mine in kW
[21:05] <shauno> btu is closest to kcal in metric.  1 pound of water by 1 degree F, vs 1 kilo of water by 1 degree C
[21:06] <daftykins> foreignheit :(
[21:07] <shauno> but we never see thermal calories used, just cocacola calories, so it sounds guanocrazy
[21:08] <shauno> (which is btu will drive penguin42 crazy.  they're not just using weird units.  they're measuring different things)
[21:08] <ali1234> 1 kcal = slightly less than 4 BTU
[21:08] <ali1234> 1 kilojoule = slightly more than 1 BTU
[21:10] <shauno> reminds me, I managed to prove a customer wrong by invoking the laws of physics :)
[21:10] <penguin42> shauno: Right so watt is energy/time like kWh is
[21:10] <ali1234> yes
[21:11] <ali1234> kWh per hour is a measurement of power - also known as watts :)
[21:11] <ali1234> kilowatts sorry :)
[21:11] <shauno> (they were adamant we were blocking them at our network, because their packet trace showed our IP on the ack/rst packet.  I pointed out the same capture showed they were getting the RST returned in <1ms.  they're in singapore, we're in paris.  unpossible!)
[21:15] <zenpho> triangu-location via timestamps - love it!
[21:16]  * zenpho_ is away
[21:18] <shauno> just nice to spot the tiny details :)  <1ms is almost guaranteed to be their network.  but with this one being in singapore, the speed of light says it isn't us
[23:38] <mapps> cant wait for may 5th..24s back:D
[23:40] <ali1234> you know it's going to suck
[23:40] <ali1234> shows always do when they get brought back
[23:41] <directhex> 24 is still just neocon porn, right? HERO WHITE MAN TORTURES RAGHEADS UNTIL THEY TELL HIM HOW TO DEFUSE THE BOMB
[23:43] <directhex> in lighter news, i have my first successful install/boot of Ye Olde rebuilt against valve's iso images rather than an ancient zip installer
[23:44] <daftykins> \o/
[23:44] <daftykins> directhex: just let us know when there's a torrent to seed :>
[23:44] <directhex> daftykins, ta :)
[23:45] <directhex> i have a radeon 4000 in the mail. i intend to fix that limitation & allow non-fglrx
[23:45] <daftykins> \o/
[23:45] <daftykins> ooh, a legacy beast eh
[23:45] <daftykins> two birds with one stone?
[23:49] <directhex> ok. so i'm at the very least back where i started
[23:49] <directhex> i had to revert one updated package for now, as it breaks the install
[23:50] <directhex> bed for now. next week i'm off, looking after the wife. should have time to verify that mdraid works, also dmraid and lvm
[23:50] <directhex> and install from usb as well as dvd
[23:51] <mapps> lol directhex
[23:51] <mapps> and ali1234 maybe but im hoping itll be good and not a complete let down
[23:51] <directhex> basically, testing up the wazoo. i think there's a dmraid bug in debian
[23:57] <directhex> i can work around it in post_install though. but testtesttesttest
[23:57] <directhex> wish i had a testing pc for this :/
[23:58] <daftykins> hmm my samsung smart TV is running a web server but all it displays is a 404 :>
[23:59] <daftykins> directhex: missus ok?
[23:59] <directhex> daftykins, scheduled surgery next week
[23:59] <directhex> daftykins, DLNA runs on http
[23:59] <daftykins> ah-har
[23:59] <daftykins> oh right, hrmm