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hansfordanyone in here uses muse?00:51
privatotr01:55
rhizoHi folks08:58
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rdzhi all. I'm not sure where it is appropriate to ask such question, I'll try here anyway: I'm looking for a 8 channel in/out USB audio card that works in linux. Are there any recommendations? I am thinking of USB since virtually any laptop has it (unlike firewire or pci-x etc)10:29
cfhowlettrdz, not knowing your exact needs here, but I suggest you consider an external I/O interface such as the presonus 1 Box10:31
cfhowlettY?  portability.10:32
rdz"but I suggest you consider an external I/O interface" yes10:33
cfhowlettrdz, see #opensourcemusicians for linux hardware recommendations10:33
rdzthanks10:34
rdzthe presonus isn't 8-channel out, is it?10:34
cfhowlettrdz, the 1 box is not but they offer one.  I don't know which one - opensourcemusicians would know10:35
rdzcfhowlett, ok. thanks10:35
gartrali need someone to wite me a song.. lol11:07
gartralwrite*11:08
zequencerdz: There's only one that I know of that is really good for that11:19
zequencePresonus 1818VSL11:20
zequencehttp://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-May/084993.html11:20
rdzzequence, really?11:21
rdzthat sounds like great news11:21
zequenceWhen it comes to 8 channels, that is11:22
rdzso is it usb 2.0 class compliant?11:22
rdzor was it reverse engineered by alsa-devs?11:22
zequenceNot sure, but I would bet class compliant in this case11:22
zequenceHere's some resources too http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware_matrix11:23
zequenceThere's a dedicated driver for m-audio fast track ultra, but it may have problems11:23
zequencerdz: I would discuss on the linux audio user mail list11:23
cfhowlettm-audio has some linux-ready devices, too.11:24
rdzzequence, ok i'll do that11:24
rdz(i scrape the list archives first, i'm sure not the fist one)11:24
rdzdo you guys know about the edirol ua 101?11:24
rdzfrom what it looks like it is exactly what i am looking for...11:24
rdzsmall, but still supports 8 analog out channels11:25
rdzsorry, if that got answered already, but http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware_matrix lists only hardware that is actually supported11:27
rdzis that correct?11:27
cfhowlettrdz, yep11:27
cfhowlettthough the list is not the most recent ...11:28
zequencerdz: It only lists hardware that are known to work by the people who edit that page11:28
rdzok.. thanks11:29
rdzThe Presonus 1818VSL looks very promising, indeed..11:36
rdzyou guys have been a tremendous help11:36
rdzmany thanks11:36
rdzit's somewhat sad, but i'm looking for an usb soundcard for the same reason that robin gareus mentions: i'd prefer to be able to use even in a few years, when it will be hard to get hardware with firewire or pci express slots11:37
rdzi already own an HDSP RPM, but when my current old laptop with PCMCIA slot dies, i cannot use it anymore....11:38
zequenceI use a firewire device right now. Hard to find laptops that support it. I've heard add-on cards can work quite well12:06
zequencefocusrite sapphire pro 4012:07
zequencefocusrite saffire pro 40*12:07
kirishitanhello14:57
kirishitanmy ubuntu studio 12.04.4 crash periodically14:57
kirishitanwhat can i do?14:57
holsteinkirishitan: just elaborate14:59
holsteinif its when you are using JACK, could be you are pushing it too hard14:59
kirishitan?14:59
holsteinhave realistic expectations14:59
holsteinkirishitan: say what happens when14:59
holsteinkirishitan: what crashes? how? i what circumstance? and to what degree? and for how long?15:00
kirishitani use a asus x450cc laptop15:00
holsteini use it on many asus proucts without any crashing...15:01
holsteinwhat is causing what to crash and how?15:01
kirishitanit crash no matter what I do, with both firefox and chromium, it seems to be periodically, about 30 min15:02
holsteinkirishitan: what crashes?15:02
holsteinkirishitan: the entire OS? when browsing the internet?15:03
kirishitanthe whole system freeze15:03
holsteinkirishitan: when?15:03
kirishitanmouse, keyboard don't work15:03
holsteinwith flash content? just with the browser? any page in particular?15:03
holsteinkirishitan: is it just the mouse and keyboard? or is the entire system frozen? can you get to TTY?15:03
kirishitanactually, i think it is periodically, be cause it happen with both fireofx, chromium, opera15:03
holsteinkirishitan: dont think.. say what is happening..15:04
holsteinkirishitan: what triggers what exactly to happen? i need details, friend15:04
holsteinkirishitan: what site?15:04
kirishitanno way to get tty, system doesn't response to keyboard, even alt+prt scr15:04
holsteinkirishitan: ok.. so what site?15:04
kirishitanmay be youtube.com, but it did happen when i don't browse it15:05
holsteinkirishitan: good new is.. this is not related to ubuntustudio, so you can go to a bigger support channel, such as #xubuntu or #ubuntu15:05
holsteinbut, this is likely flash related15:05
holsteinkirishitan: the flash that desktop linux gets is outdated15:06
holsteinyou can read this factually at..15:06
holsteinhttps://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/15:06
holsteinthe best way to "fix" this is to get adobe to provide the tools needed to view the content they provide.. since that is not going to happen. what i do is one of 2 things..15:06
holsteini use either the chrome browser.. (not chromium) which has the latest flash for linux.. you can read that again factually at https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/15:07
kirishitani run apt-get upgrade, but no use15:07
holsteinkirishitan: right.. there *is* *no* *upgrade*15:07
holsteinkirishitan: it is nt available to us15:07
holsteinkirishitan: adobe doenst provide it15:07
holsteinso, you can read above, and try the google-chrome browser which, as i said, *does* get the latest flash.. or, on to my second suggestion15:08
kirishitannot chromiium?15:08
holsteinhttps://www.youtube.com/html515:08
Unit193Linux only gets security updates.  Chromium can use chrome flash, but you have to extract it.15:08
holsteinkirishitan: correct. as i said, you can read the factual statement above..15:08
holsteinkirishitan: you can load the flash version from chrome into chromium.. or, you can install chrome and test it, and see if flash is indeed the issue15:09
holsteinkirishitan: im not saying chrome is "good" or "better".. or that you should use it.. i am proposing that flash content is what is crashing your system. and you can test this by installing the chrome browser and using it for a bit15:09
holsteinkirishitan: you can use Unit193 's suggestion and use the pepperflash from chrome in chromium if you prefer15:10
Unit193But concept is the same, test flash.15:10
kirishitanok thanks, but i doubt the flash is the reason, because i used lubuntu a long time with firefox, chromium flash and it never crash15:11
holsteinkirishitan: that is irrelevant15:11
kirishitanat the same computer15:11
holsteinkirishitan: it *is* likely the issue.. flash content gets updated regularly.. and you could have had a flawless experience back then, and now you are accessing newer content with an older flash version15:12
Unit193kirishitan: How long do you wait for it?15:12
kirishitan?15:12
holsteinkirishitan: remove flash from the equation, otherwise, what you are saying is indicitive of a flash issue15:12
kirishitanok, let me try15:12
kirishitani will talk back later15:13
Unit193kirishitan: For it to become responsive, that is.  I came in late, and about to head out, but swapping out can really kill a computer as well.15:13
holsteinkirishitan: you should try the latest supported flash from the manufacturer for a few days, and test15:13
kirishitanok, but today is the first day i use ubuntu studio, and i think that flash player i used in lubuntu is the same as ubuntu studio15:14
holsteinkirishitan: ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu15:15
holsteinkirishitan: lubuntu *is* ubuntu15:15
holsteinkirishitan: same repos.. same flash version15:15
holsteinkirishitan: the site i linked you has *facts* about how flash is not supported anymore from teh manufacturer. and how chrome gets the latest versio15:15
holsteinversion*15:15
holsteinkirishitan: test your sites that are allegedly crashing your machine with the latest version of flash from the manufacturer15:17
kirishitanshould i use gnash?15:18
holsteinkirishitan: i didnt suggest that15:18
holsteinkirishitan:  i suggested, and still suggest testing the problematic sites with what the manufacturer suggests at that site i linked15:19
holsteinkirishitan: try what you like.. but, you are using an older version of flash on newer flash content.. that is a fact.. its a usual issue that i see a lot.. and its what i suggest you try to make sure the issue *is* flash related15:20
holsteinkirishitan: it should take about 3 minutes to install google-chrome.. that is an easy way to troubleshoot the issue15:20
holsteinits not that chrome is better either.. its that chrome is allowed to facilitate that manufacturer version15:21
kirishitanok, but it may take long before i ahve an answer for my problem, because it never crashed instantly when i use site that has flash15:21
holsteinkirishitan: that just further supports the flash related issue im proposing15:21
kirishitanit crashed again15:26
kirishitanwhen i'm not using any web browser15:26
holsteinkirishitan: feel free and ask any question you need help with15:26
kirishitanand i've just turn on a few minutes15:27
holsteinie "my computer crashes when im doing x"15:27
kirishitananyway, now i think it crashed randomly no matter what im doing15:27
holsteinyou think?15:28
holsteinkirishitan: confirm that.. run the machine.. test tty15:28
holsteincould be you have failing hardware.. any ram or hard drive failure could do that.. graphics cards can15:28
kirishitanyes, because today it crashed several time while im doing different task, no15:28
kirishitanproprietary driver installed15:29
holsteinkirishitan: so, its not only with the browser and youtube then? as you earlier indicated?15:29
kirishitani used to think is it with the browser, but now i think it's not15:29
kirishitanit's randomly and unpredictable15:30
holsteinsure.. hardware failures are like that15:30
holsteinkirishitan: what would i do? test with a live CD.. that removes my current installation from the euqation as well as my hard drive15:30
kirishitanok, let me try15:31
kirishitanbut it might be this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/118445115:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1184451 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 13.10 random screen freeze while Normal OS activites" [Low,Incomplete]15:33
kirishitana lot of people talking in that bug said they use xubuntu, which is similar to ubuntu studio (use xfce)15:33
holsteinkirishitan: is it a screen freeze?15:34
holsteinkirishitan: you said it was a system freeze, correct? no tty?15:34
kirishitanmay be i mistook a screen freeze with a system freeze, but nothing which i do include alt+prtscr, alt+f2, alt+tab works15:35
holstein"I can do CTRL-ALT-F6 CTRL-ALT-F7 and it works again, but really annoying, can't find "15:35
holstein^ from that report15:35
holsteinkirishitan: so, what im reading at that report is, the screen is frozen, but the system is not15:35
holsteinkirishitan: you have to answer that question and determine.. is the system frozen, or the screen15:36
kirishitanok, but to know what it reaaly is, i have to wait for another freeze to know15:37
holsteinsure.. i spend hours and days on those15:38
holsteinthats why folks get so much per hour to deal with it..15:38
holsteinbut, ideally, you would have a supported operating system to test with . to make sure the hardware is functioning properly15:38
holsteinor, the os install disc that you *know* worked.. like, ubuntu 12.04.2 or whatever you know was supported15:39
holsteina kernel upgrade could cause what you are reporting.. but you havent said you upgraded and then this started happening..15:39
kirishitanoh, i did ugrade the kernel15:40
holsteinkirishitan: then, try booting the older kernel..15:41
holsteinkirishitan: thats why im asking how long it has been happening15:41
kirishitanbut i only use the old kernel about 10 min before i upgrade so i'm not sure it's because of the new or not15:41
holsteinkirishitan: if its something that has *always* happened. or only with this kernel.. or whatever15:41
holstein*anything* relevant15:41
holsteinyou are a detective.. you look at facts and evidence.. and rule out variables15:41
holsteinkirishitan: you said you have use ubuntu before?15:42
holsteinkirishitan: you can install the *same* generic kernel from lubuntu 13.10 into ubuntustudio and test15:42
holsteinkirishitan: we have a lowlatency kernel that could be causing issues15:42
holsteinkirishitan: its just a matter of figuring out what is going on15:42
kirishitanhow to use the generic kern?15:44
kirishitani mean how to use it instead of low lat?15:44
holsteinkirishitan: why not just use lubuntu or xubuntu?15:44
holsteinkirishitan: you can add whatever audio production applications you might want to it15:44
kirishitansome of the software ubuntu studio had don't work well on my previous ver15:45
holsteinkirishitan: anyways.. the kernels are in the repos.. you can use the package manager of your choice to install the kernel that used to work for you in lubuntu15:45
holsteinkirishitan: you mean, 13.04 previous version?15:45
holsteinkirishitan: they are the *same* versions15:45
kirishitani mean lubuntu 13.1015:45
holsteinkirishitan: they are the same versions15:46
kirishitanbut some soft of studio didn't wokr well with lubuntu 13.10 in my lap15:46
holsteinkirishitan: not for me15:46
holsteinkirishitan: they are the *same*15:46
holsteinkirishitan: but, you can find the generic kernel, if you like15:47
holsteinkirishitan: though, im not saying thats the issue. just soemthing else you can troubleshoot15:47
holsteinkirishitan: i think you would do better being in the larger xubuntu or ubuntu communities for support15:47
kirishitanwell, but may i have your email or facebook, i promise i won't spam before google.15:48
kirishitanfor issues15:49
kirishitanit's just because if i only use irc, i may never find you again if next week i have an answer for my problem or something15:51
kirishitan.15:53
holsteinkirishitan: i am here around the clock.. logged in15:56
holsteinand you can get help for what you are looking for at #xubuntu like the topic suggests15:56
kirishitanok15:56
kirishitanthank15:56
holsteinhttp://likethecow.com/ is me15:56
kirishitan=))15:58
kirishitani'm not a composer, i draw copycats15:59
hansfordI need some help here for muse program.....17:00
holsteinhansford: whats the issue?17:00
hansfordhostein ... I been trying it out but unable get any sound out......17:01
holsteinhansford: you can use "tab" to auto complete nicknames.. like typing "hol" and pressing "tab" key..17:01
holsteinhansford: i would break your issue up into parts17:01
holsteinhansford: can the system make sounds?17:01
hansfordin other programs yes17:02
holsteinhansford: are you using JACK?17:02
hansfordtried it with and without17:02
holsteinhansford: are you using JACK?17:02
hansfordyes17:03
holsteinhansford: with nothing to do with muse.. just generally17:03
holsteinhansford: so, audio works with JACK?17:03
holsteinhansford: you are able to get what to work?17:03
hansfordwhen I load the soundfonts in .....and test the sound......nothing.......go through the key range....nothing.....17:04
holsteinhansford: ok17:04
holsteinhansford: this may or may not seem like  a waste of time.. but what *is* working with JACK?17:05
holsteinhansford: aduacious? yoshimi? ardour3?17:05
hansfordardour 3....rosegarden.....hydrogen.....17:05
holsteinhansford: ok.. in muse are you able to get audio to playback?17:06
hansfordthe levels are moving but no sounds.....then I double check it against rosegarden...and I get sound\17:07
holsteinhansford: so, in muse, are you able to playback any audio only file?17:08
holsteinhansford: not midi.. audio only17:08
holsteinhansford: load up a known good audio file, and see if you can play it back17:08
hansfordno audio file ...no midi file..\17:08
holsteini think i would point it to yoshimi after testing yoshimi to make sure it plays17:09
holsteinyou can try an older or newer version of muse17:09
holsteinhansford: has muse ever worked?17:09
hansfordfirst time playing with it......17:10
holsteinhansford: in that case, i would just confirm the connections then17:10
hansfordI use rosegarden alot here for the midi files17:10
holsteinare you using qjackctl for the connections? if not, look there, and confirm the connections17:11
holsteini would start with a simple audio file17:11
hansfordplays audio file ok.....but cant get midi sounds17:16
hansfordholstein,  is there any good manual on muse?  been looking every wheres for one17:19
hansfordholstein  thanks got it working .....how.... I dont know......17:46
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unreadyhey guys, I hope someone can help me. i'm a total linux newb - i just installed ubuntustudio 13.10 and can't get an internet connection. i have an asus WL-138G V220:04
unreadywireless that is20:04
unreadyit says it is supported out-of-the-box in the wifidocs, but that doesn't seem so20:05
zenpho_in the bar at the top of the screen - what menu shows up when you click the icon with an up and down arrow?20:05
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unreadyit says ethernet network disconnected/VPN connections/enable networking ticked20:06
unreadyand 'edit'20:06
unreadyi tried edit and entered all the info like sssid, passwort etc20:07
unreadystill nothing20:07
zenphohrrm...20:07
unreadyi didn't enter BSSID and device mac address - should i?20:08
zenphoprobably not... if the device doesn't show up in the menu, then it sounds like the problem is deeper than settings at that level20:08
unreadyso my wireless adapter should show up in the menu? yes, it does not20:09
zenphoif you use a terminal and type "lsmod" (which will show you the drivers loaded) - is the card mentioned?20:09
zenphoi _think_ the card should show up in the menu - it should show up as a wireless connection - but you only mentioned "ethernet" which is probably the wired card20:10
unreadyyes i tried lspci-v command and it shows20:10
unreadybut i don't think it shows with the lsmod command20:11
unreadyshould i install the driver manually?20:11
zenphoi couldn't remember if lsmod showed device drivers - i'm slightly more than linux noob myself - trying my best to think thru the problem tho ;o)20:12
unreadythanks man :)20:12
zenphoif you look at the logs in /var/log - are there any mentions of problems there?20:13
zenphoyou could "grep -Ri asus /var/log/*" (without quotes, and perhaps with other keywords)20:14
unreadyhmm, doesn't seem so...20:14
unreadyok wil ltry20:14
zenphoah, well actually probably not /var/log/* ... it'll probably find all sorts of useless logs - my mistake20:15
unreadynope, nothing, tried asus, realtek, wireless, wifi20:15
unreadyif i would maybe try and install the driver?20:16
unreadybut i don't know how :|20:16
zenphommm... i'm kinda out of ideas - sorry for such a weak help20:16
unreadyno problem, i appreciate the effort :)20:16
zenpho"insmod" is the command to load a driver module, but we need to know what the module file is called for that card... i'm looking20:18
zenphoi forget, did you try "lsmod" to see if any wifi modules were mentioned?20:18
unreadyyes, no wifi mentioned20:19
unreadyi have to mention that i have tried regular ubuntu and mint and it worked without problems straight after installation20:19
zenphoi'm not sure what to suggest next - i'm doing a little googling around but i'm sure you've seen the same pages i've seen20:23
unreadyyeah, ive just found this entry http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=214645820:23
unreadythe very last post20:23
unreadyi have a broadcom 4318 device, however i can't access the net wia cable20:23
unreadycan i download this package from other computer and install it on ubuntu?20:24
zenphoi think so yes, i guess you'd probably end up with a package file which you could use "synaptic package manager" to install20:25
unreadyok will try that, thanks so much for the help20:25
zenphowe'd probably be better off manually downloading the package in a browser - that way you don't have to dig around to find out where the downloaded package is in a cache20:26
zenphomaybe?20:27
unreadyyes i just downloaded it and have a tar file on my ubuntu system now20:27
unready.gz extension20:28
unreadyhow do i install this -.-20:28
zenphotrouble is - that looks like just a .tar.gz (like a .zip file) which isn't like a .deb package that synaptic package manager will know how to install20:28
zenphoi think20:28
zenphoi have the same .tar.gz downloaded now too - let me see if I can persuade it to install here (even tho I don't need it - heh!)20:29
unreadyi extracted it and it contains broadcom folder with two files with extensions .bin and .hex20:29
zenphomm, i guess those are the firmware files we need - but they no-doubt need to go somewhere specific for another piece of software to find 'em20:30
unreadyyeah, makes sense20:30
zenphoi'm wondering if the .tar.gz we've both downloaded is just the "raw data" - without the extra "package installation data"  - like where to put the files20:32
zenphoi wonder if i try (with my connection here) to install "linux-firmware-nonfree" then look in my package cache (if i can figure out where that is)20:32
zenphooki - i think the cache is in "/var/cache/apt/archives" -- if you look for "linux-firmware-nonfree_1.14ubuntu1_all.deb"20:37
zenphoit's that ".deb" file which contains all the installation data as well as the raw files20:37
unreadyaha20:39
unreadyhow do i get this .deb file there?20:39
zenphoyou could copy the .deb file with a usb stick to the problem machine then use "synaptic package manager" to install it20:39
unreadyok trying now20:41
zenphoare you currently on a linux machine?20:41
zenphoif you install "linux-firmware-nonfree" on the machine you're on, it'll download the .deb to "/var/cache/apt/archives" before installing - you can just copy the file to a usb memory stick20:41
* zenpho crosses fingers20:42
zenphoi'm _really_ out of ideas if this doesn'y work20:42
unreadyno windows... but i have just copied the .deb file to ubuntu and double clicked on it and its installing20:42
unreadyhope it works :)20:42
zenphome too!20:43
zenphoyou'll probably have to reboot before it'll load - i'm sure there's a non-rebooty way but i'm not sure20:46
unreadyoh yeah! it works20:49
unreadythanks man for all your help20:49
unreadyI will pay it forward :)20:49
zenphowoop!20:50
zenphoi'm glad you got it working... very satisfying!20:50
unreadyyap, for a moment i thought 'it's back to windows for me'20:51
unreadyglad to see that isn't so20:51
unreadyjust one more thing and then i'll quit bugging - what's the keyboard shrotcut for the terminal?20:51
unreadyctrl+alt+t doesn't do anything20:52
zenphoi'm not sure there is a shortcut - i always start one, then have it minimised in case i need it20:52
unreadyoh ok, cool20:53
* zenpho dances around the room to skin tight by the ohio players ;o)20:59
zenphowhat a tune!20:59
unreadyohio players, oh yea :)21:01
unreadylover rollercoaster is the best21:01
unready*love21:01
unreadydayum, a great tune indeed21:04
zenphoyeh the repeating ascending/descending line in love rollercoaster really sticks with you!21:08
cfhowlettohio players : fire!21:08
zenphosince we're talking funk... the "fire" bass line reminds me of the parliament "give up the funk" chant21:12
unreadyyep! had an immediate association21:13
unreadythat thumpin boomin phat bootsy sound21:13
unreadylove it21:13
unready:)21:13
zenphohehe21:13
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* zenpho_ is away21:16
combinatoricHi there, I'm trying to upgrade my ubuntustudio and keep getting an error msg about my boot folder not having enough room22:27
combinatoricI've cleared the boot folder but still there's not enough memory22:27
combinatoricany idea the best way to tackle this?22:27

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