[00:51] <hansford> anyone in here uses muse?
[01:55] <privato> tr
[08:58] <rhizo> Hi folks
[10:29] <rdz> hi all. I'm not sure where it is appropriate to ask such question, I'll try here anyway: I'm looking for a 8 channel in/out USB audio card that works in linux. Are there any recommendations? I am thinking of USB since virtually any laptop has it (unlike firewire or pci-x etc)
[10:31] <cfhowlett> rdz, not knowing your exact needs here, but I suggest you consider an external I/O interface such as the presonus 1 Box
[10:32] <cfhowlett> Y?  portability.
[10:33] <rdz> "but I suggest you consider an external I/O interface" yes
[10:33] <cfhowlett> rdz, see #opensourcemusicians for linux hardware recommendations
[10:34] <rdz> thanks
[10:34] <rdz> the presonus isn't 8-channel out, is it?
[10:35] <cfhowlett> rdz, the 1 box is not but they offer one.  I don't know which one - opensourcemusicians would know
[10:35] <rdz> cfhowlett, ok. thanks
[11:07] <gartral> i need someone to wite me a song.. lol
[11:08] <gartral> write*
[11:19] <zequence> rdz: There's only one that I know of that is really good for that
[11:20] <zequence> Presonus 1818VSL
[11:20] <zequence> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-May/084993.html
[11:21] <rdz> zequence, really?
[11:21] <rdz> that sounds like great news
[11:22] <zequence> When it comes to 8 channels, that is
[11:22] <rdz> so is it usb 2.0 class compliant?
[11:22] <rdz> or was it reverse engineered by alsa-devs?
[11:22] <zequence> Not sure, but I would bet class compliant in this case
[11:23] <zequence> Here's some resources too http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware_matrix
[11:23] <zequence> There's a dedicated driver for m-audio fast track ultra, but it may have problems
[11:23] <zequence> rdz: I would discuss on the linux audio user mail list
[11:24] <cfhowlett> m-audio has some linux-ready devices, too.
[11:24] <rdz> zequence, ok i'll do that
[11:24] <rdz> (i scrape the list archives first, i'm sure not the fist one)
[11:24] <rdz> do you guys know about the edirol ua 101?
[11:24] <rdz> from what it looks like it is exactly what i am looking for...
[11:25] <rdz> small, but still supports 8 analog out channels
[11:27] <rdz> sorry, if that got answered already, but http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/hardware_matrix lists only hardware that is actually supported
[11:27] <rdz> is that correct?
[11:27] <cfhowlett> rdz, yep
[11:28] <cfhowlett> though the list is not the most recent ...
[11:28] <zequence> rdz: It only lists hardware that are known to work by the people who edit that page
[11:29] <rdz> ok.. thanks
[11:36] <rdz> The Presonus 1818VSL looks very promising, indeed..
[11:36] <rdz> you guys have been a tremendous help
[11:36] <rdz> many thanks
[11:37] <rdz> it's somewhat sad, but i'm looking for an usb soundcard for the same reason that robin gareus mentions: i'd prefer to be able to use even in a few years, when it will be hard to get hardware with firewire or pci express slots
[11:38] <rdz> i already own an HDSP RPM, but when my current old laptop with PCMCIA slot dies, i cannot use it anymore....
[12:06] <zequence> I use a firewire device right now. Hard to find laptops that support it. I've heard add-on cards can work quite well
[12:07] <zequence> focusrite sapphire pro 40
[12:07] <zequence> focusrite saffire pro 40*
[14:57] <kirishitan> hello
[14:57] <kirishitan> my ubuntu studio 12.04.4 crash periodically
[14:57] <kirishitan> what can i do?
[14:59] <holstein> kirishitan: just elaborate
[14:59] <holstein> if its when you are using JACK, could be you are pushing it too hard
[14:59] <kirishitan> ?
[14:59] <holstein> have realistic expectations
[14:59] <holstein> kirishitan: say what happens when
[15:00] <holstein> kirishitan: what crashes? how? i what circumstance? and to what degree? and for how long?
[15:00] <kirishitan> i use a asus x450cc laptop
[15:01] <holstein> i use it on many asus proucts without any crashing...
[15:01] <holstein> what is causing what to crash and how?
[15:02] <kirishitan> it crash no matter what I do, with both firefox and chromium, it seems to be periodically, about 30 min
[15:02] <holstein> kirishitan: what crashes?
[15:03] <holstein> kirishitan: the entire OS? when browsing the internet?
[15:03] <kirishitan> the whole system freeze
[15:03] <holstein> kirishitan: when?
[15:03] <kirishitan> mouse, keyboard don't work
[15:03] <holstein> with flash content? just with the browser? any page in particular?
[15:03] <holstein> kirishitan: is it just the mouse and keyboard? or is the entire system frozen? can you get to TTY?
[15:03] <kirishitan> actually, i think it is periodically, be cause it happen with both fireofx, chromium, opera
[15:04] <holstein> kirishitan: dont think.. say what is happening..
[15:04] <holstein> kirishitan: what triggers what exactly to happen? i need details, friend
[15:04] <holstein> kirishitan: what site?
[15:04] <kirishitan> no way to get tty, system doesn't response to keyboard, even alt+prt scr
[15:04] <holstein> kirishitan: ok.. so what site?
[15:05] <kirishitan> may be youtube.com, but it did happen when i don't browse it
[15:05] <holstein> kirishitan: good new is.. this is not related to ubuntustudio, so you can go to a bigger support channel, such as #xubuntu or #ubuntu
[15:05] <holstein> but, this is likely flash related
[15:06] <holstein> kirishitan: the flash that desktop linux gets is outdated
[15:06] <holstein> you can read this factually at..
[15:06] <holstein> https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:06] <holstein> the best way to "fix" this is to get adobe to provide the tools needed to view the content they provide.. since that is not going to happen. what i do is one of 2 things..
[15:07] <holstein> i use either the chrome browser.. (not chromium) which has the latest flash for linux.. you can read that again factually at https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:07] <kirishitan> i run apt-get upgrade, but no use
[15:07] <holstein> kirishitan: right.. there *is* *no* *upgrade*
[15:07] <holstein> kirishitan: it is nt available to us
[15:07] <holstein> kirishitan: adobe doenst provide it
[15:08] <holstein> so, you can read above, and try the google-chrome browser which, as i said, *does* get the latest flash.. or, on to my second suggestion
[15:08] <kirishitan> not chromiium?
[15:08] <holstein> https://www.youtube.com/html5
[15:08] <Unit193> Linux only gets security updates.  Chromium can use chrome flash, but you have to extract it.
[15:08] <holstein> kirishitan: correct. as i said, you can read the factual statement above..
[15:09] <holstein> kirishitan: you can load the flash version from chrome into chromium.. or, you can install chrome and test it, and see if flash is indeed the issue
[15:09] <holstein> kirishitan: im not saying chrome is "good" or "better".. or that you should use it.. i am proposing that flash content is what is crashing your system. and you can test this by installing the chrome browser and using it for a bit
[15:10] <holstein> kirishitan: you can use Unit193 's suggestion and use the pepperflash from chrome in chromium if you prefer
[15:10] <Unit193> But concept is the same, test flash.
[15:11] <kirishitan> ok thanks, but i doubt the flash is the reason, because i used lubuntu a long time with firefox, chromium flash and it never crash
[15:11] <holstein> kirishitan: that is irrelevant
[15:11] <kirishitan> at the same computer
[15:12] <holstein> kirishitan: it *is* likely the issue.. flash content gets updated regularly.. and you could have had a flawless experience back then, and now you are accessing newer content with an older flash version
[15:12] <Unit193> kirishitan: How long do you wait for it?
[15:12] <kirishitan> ?
[15:12] <holstein> kirishitan: remove flash from the equation, otherwise, what you are saying is indicitive of a flash issue
[15:12] <kirishitan> ok, let me try
[15:13] <kirishitan> i will talk back later
[15:13] <Unit193> kirishitan: For it to become responsive, that is.  I came in late, and about to head out, but swapping out can really kill a computer as well.
[15:13] <holstein> kirishitan: you should try the latest supported flash from the manufacturer for a few days, and test
[15:14] <kirishitan> ok, but today is the first day i use ubuntu studio, and i think that flash player i used in lubuntu is the same as ubuntu studio
[15:15] <holstein> kirishitan: ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[15:15] <holstein> kirishitan: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[15:15] <holstein> kirishitan: same repos.. same flash version
[15:15] <holstein> kirishitan: the site i linked you has *facts* about how flash is not supported anymore from teh manufacturer. and how chrome gets the latest versio
[15:15] <holstein> version*
[15:17] <holstein> kirishitan: test your sites that are allegedly crashing your machine with the latest version of flash from the manufacturer
[15:18] <kirishitan> should i use gnash?
[15:18] <holstein> kirishitan: i didnt suggest that
[15:19] <holstein> kirishitan:  i suggested, and still suggest testing the problematic sites with what the manufacturer suggests at that site i linked
[15:20] <holstein> kirishitan: try what you like.. but, you are using an older version of flash on newer flash content.. that is a fact.. its a usual issue that i see a lot.. and its what i suggest you try to make sure the issue *is* flash related
[15:20] <holstein> kirishitan: it should take about 3 minutes to install google-chrome.. that is an easy way to troubleshoot the issue
[15:21] <holstein> its not that chrome is better either.. its that chrome is allowed to facilitate that manufacturer version
[15:21] <kirishitan> ok, but it may take long before i ahve an answer for my problem, because it never crashed instantly when i use site that has flash
[15:21] <holstein> kirishitan: that just further supports the flash related issue im proposing
[15:26] <kirishitan> it crashed again
[15:26] <kirishitan> when i'm not using any web browser
[15:26] <holstein> kirishitan: feel free and ask any question you need help with
[15:27] <kirishitan> and i've just turn on a few minutes
[15:27] <holstein> ie "my computer crashes when im doing x"
[15:27] <kirishitan> anyway, now i think it crashed randomly no matter what im doing
[15:28] <holstein> you think?
[15:28] <holstein> kirishitan: confirm that.. run the machine.. test tty
[15:28] <holstein> could be you have failing hardware.. any ram or hard drive failure could do that.. graphics cards can
[15:28] <kirishitan> yes, because today it crashed several time while im doing different task, no
[15:29] <kirishitan> proprietary driver installed
[15:29] <holstein> kirishitan: so, its not only with the browser and youtube then? as you earlier indicated?
[15:29] <kirishitan> i used to think is it with the browser, but now i think it's not
[15:30] <kirishitan> it's randomly and unpredictable
[15:30] <holstein> sure.. hardware failures are like that
[15:30] <holstein> kirishitan: what would i do? test with a live CD.. that removes my current installation from the euqation as well as my hard drive
[15:31] <kirishitan> ok, let me try
[15:33] <kirishitan> but it might be this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1184451
[15:33] <kirishitan> a lot of people talking in that bug said they use xubuntu, which is similar to ubuntu studio (use xfce)
[15:34] <holstein> kirishitan: is it a screen freeze?
[15:34] <holstein> kirishitan: you said it was a system freeze, correct? no tty?
[15:35] <kirishitan> may be i mistook a screen freeze with a system freeze, but nothing which i do include alt+prtscr, alt+f2, alt+tab works
[15:35] <holstein> "I can do CTRL-ALT-F6 CTRL-ALT-F7 and it works again, but really annoying, can't find "
[15:35] <holstein> ^ from that report
[15:35] <holstein> kirishitan: so, what im reading at that report is, the screen is frozen, but the system is not
[15:36] <holstein> kirishitan: you have to answer that question and determine.. is the system frozen, or the screen
[15:37] <kirishitan> ok, but to know what it reaaly is, i have to wait for another freeze to know
[15:38] <holstein> sure.. i spend hours and days on those
[15:38] <holstein> thats why folks get so much per hour to deal with it..
[15:38] <holstein> but, ideally, you would have a supported operating system to test with . to make sure the hardware is functioning properly
[15:39] <holstein> or, the os install disc that you *know* worked.. like, ubuntu 12.04.2 or whatever you know was supported
[15:39] <holstein> a kernel upgrade could cause what you are reporting.. but you havent said you upgraded and then this started happening..
[15:40] <kirishitan> oh, i did ugrade the kernel
[15:41] <holstein> kirishitan: then, try booting the older kernel..
[15:41] <holstein> kirishitan: thats why im asking how long it has been happening
[15:41] <kirishitan> but i only use the old kernel about 10 min before i upgrade so i'm not sure it's because of the new or not
[15:41] <holstein> kirishitan: if its something that has *always* happened. or only with this kernel.. or whatever
[15:41] <holstein> *anything* relevant
[15:41] <holstein> you are a detective.. you look at facts and evidence.. and rule out variables
[15:42] <holstein> kirishitan: you said you have use ubuntu before?
[15:42] <holstein> kirishitan: you can install the *same* generic kernel from lubuntu 13.10 into ubuntustudio and test
[15:42] <holstein> kirishitan: we have a lowlatency kernel that could be causing issues
[15:42] <holstein> kirishitan: its just a matter of figuring out what is going on
[15:44] <kirishitan> how to use the generic kern?
[15:44] <kirishitan> i mean how to use it instead of low lat?
[15:44] <holstein> kirishitan: why not just use lubuntu or xubuntu?
[15:44] <holstein> kirishitan: you can add whatever audio production applications you might want to it
[15:45] <kirishitan> some of the software ubuntu studio had don't work well on my previous ver
[15:45] <holstein> kirishitan: anyways.. the kernels are in the repos.. you can use the package manager of your choice to install the kernel that used to work for you in lubuntu
[15:45] <holstein> kirishitan: you mean, 13.04 previous version?
[15:45] <holstein> kirishitan: they are the *same* versions
[15:45] <kirishitan> i mean lubuntu 13.10
[15:46] <holstein> kirishitan: they are the same versions
[15:46] <kirishitan> but some soft of studio didn't wokr well with lubuntu 13.10 in my lap
[15:46] <holstein> kirishitan: not for me
[15:46] <holstein> kirishitan: they are the *same*
[15:47] <holstein> kirishitan: but, you can find the generic kernel, if you like
[15:47] <holstein> kirishitan: though, im not saying thats the issue. just soemthing else you can troubleshoot
[15:47] <holstein> kirishitan: i think you would do better being in the larger xubuntu or ubuntu communities for support
[15:48] <kirishitan> well, but may i have your email or facebook, i promise i won't spam before google.
[15:49] <kirishitan> for issues
[15:51] <kirishitan> it's just because if i only use irc, i may never find you again if next week i have an answer for my problem or something
[15:53] <kirishitan> .
[15:56] <holstein> kirishitan: i am here around the clock.. logged in
[15:56] <holstein> and you can get help for what you are looking for at #xubuntu like the topic suggests
[15:56] <kirishitan> ok
[15:56] <kirishitan> thank
[15:56] <holstein> http://likethecow.com/ is me
[15:58] <kirishitan> =))
[15:59] <kirishitan> i'm not a composer, i draw copycats
[17:00] <hansford> I need some help here for muse program.....
[17:00] <holstein> hansford: whats the issue?
[17:01] <hansford> hostein ... I been trying it out but unable get any sound out......
[17:01] <holstein> hansford: you can use "tab" to auto complete nicknames.. like typing "hol" and pressing "tab" key..
[17:01] <holstein> hansford: i would break your issue up into parts
[17:01] <holstein> hansford: can the system make sounds?
[17:02] <hansford> in other programs yes
[17:02] <holstein> hansford: are you using JACK?
[17:02] <hansford> tried it with and without
[17:02] <holstein> hansford: are you using JACK?
[17:03] <hansford> yes
[17:03] <holstein> hansford: with nothing to do with muse.. just generally
[17:03] <holstein> hansford: so, audio works with JACK?
[17:03] <holstein> hansford: you are able to get what to work?
[17:04] <hansford> when I load the soundfonts in .....and test the sound......nothing.......go through the key range....nothing.....
[17:04] <holstein> hansford: ok
[17:05] <holstein> hansford: this may or may not seem like  a waste of time.. but what *is* working with JACK?
[17:05] <holstein> hansford: aduacious? yoshimi? ardour3?
[17:05] <hansford> ardour 3....rosegarden.....hydrogen.....
[17:06] <holstein> hansford: ok.. in muse are you able to get audio to playback?
[17:07] <hansford> the levels are moving but no sounds.....then I double check it against rosegarden...and I get sound\
[17:08] <holstein> hansford: so, in muse, are you able to playback any audio only file?
[17:08] <holstein> hansford: not midi.. audio only
[17:08] <holstein> hansford: load up a known good audio file, and see if you can play it back
[17:08] <hansford> no audio file ...no midi file..\
[17:09] <holstein> i think i would point it to yoshimi after testing yoshimi to make sure it plays
[17:09] <holstein> you can try an older or newer version of muse
[17:09] <holstein> hansford: has muse ever worked?
[17:10] <hansford> first time playing with it......
[17:10] <holstein> hansford: in that case, i would just confirm the connections then
[17:10] <hansford> I use rosegarden alot here for the midi files
[17:11] <holstein> are you using qjackctl for the connections? if not, look there, and confirm the connections
[17:11] <holstein> i would start with a simple audio file
[17:16] <hansford> plays audio file ok.....but cant get midi sounds
[17:19] <hansford> holstein,  is there any good manual on muse?  been looking every wheres for one
[17:46] <hansford> holstein  thanks got it working .....how.... I dont know......
[20:04] <unready> hey guys, I hope someone can help me. i'm a total linux newb - i just installed ubuntustudio 13.10 and can't get an internet connection. i have an asus WL-138G V2
[20:04] <unready> wireless that is
[20:05] <unready> it says it is supported out-of-the-box in the wifidocs, but that doesn't seem so
[20:05] <zenpho_> in the bar at the top of the screen - what menu shows up when you click the icon with an up and down arrow?
[20:06] <unready> it says ethernet network disconnected/VPN connections/enable networking ticked
[20:06] <unready> and 'edit'
[20:07] <unready> i tried edit and entered all the info like sssid, passwort etc
[20:07] <unready> still nothing
[20:07] <zenpho> hrrm...
[20:08] <unready> i didn't enter BSSID and device mac address - should i?
[20:08] <zenpho> probably not... if the device doesn't show up in the menu, then it sounds like the problem is deeper than settings at that level
[20:09] <unready> so my wireless adapter should show up in the menu? yes, it does not
[20:09] <zenpho> if you use a terminal and type "lsmod" (which will show you the drivers loaded) - is the card mentioned?
[20:10] <zenpho> i _think_ the card should show up in the menu - it should show up as a wireless connection - but you only mentioned "ethernet" which is probably the wired card
[20:10] <unready> yes i tried lspci-v command and it shows
[20:11] <unready> but i don't think it shows with the lsmod command
[20:11] <unready> should i install the driver manually?
[20:12] <zenpho> i couldn't remember if lsmod showed device drivers - i'm slightly more than linux noob myself - trying my best to think thru the problem tho ;o)
[20:12] <unready> thanks man :)
[20:13] <zenpho> if you look at the logs in /var/log - are there any mentions of problems there?
[20:14] <zenpho> you could "grep -Ri asus /var/log/*" (without quotes, and perhaps with other keywords)
[20:14] <unready> hmm, doesn't seem so...
[20:14] <unready> ok wil ltry
[20:15] <zenpho> ah, well actually probably not /var/log/* ... it'll probably find all sorts of useless logs - my mistake
[20:15] <unready> nope, nothing, tried asus, realtek, wireless, wifi
[20:16] <unready> if i would maybe try and install the driver?
[20:16] <unready> but i don't know how :|
[20:16] <zenpho> mmm... i'm kinda out of ideas - sorry for such a weak help
[20:16] <unready> no problem, i appreciate the effort :)
[20:18] <zenpho> "insmod" is the command to load a driver module, but we need to know what the module file is called for that card... i'm looking
[20:18] <zenpho> i forget, did you try "lsmod" to see if any wifi modules were mentioned?
[20:19] <unready> yes, no wifi mentioned
[20:19] <unready> i have to mention that i have tried regular ubuntu and mint and it worked without problems straight after installation
[20:23] <zenpho> i'm not sure what to suggest next - i'm doing a little googling around but i'm sure you've seen the same pages i've seen
[20:23] <unready> yeah, ive just found this entry http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2146458
[20:23] <unready> the very last post
[20:23] <unready> i have a broadcom 4318 device, however i can't access the net wia cable
[20:24] <unready> can i download this package from other computer and install it on ubuntu?
[20:25] <zenpho> i think so yes, i guess you'd probably end up with a package file which you could use "synaptic package manager" to install
[20:25] <unready> ok will try that, thanks so much for the help
[20:26] <zenpho> we'd probably be better off manually downloading the package in a browser - that way you don't have to dig around to find out where the downloaded package is in a cache
[20:27] <zenpho> maybe?
[20:27] <unready> yes i just downloaded it and have a tar file on my ubuntu system now
[20:28] <unready> .gz extension
[20:28] <unready> how do i install this -.-
[20:28] <zenpho> trouble is - that looks like just a .tar.gz (like a .zip file) which isn't like a .deb package that synaptic package manager will know how to install
[20:28] <zenpho> i think
[20:29] <zenpho> i have the same .tar.gz downloaded now too - let me see if I can persuade it to install here (even tho I don't need it - heh!)
[20:29] <unready> i extracted it and it contains broadcom folder with two files with extensions .bin and .hex
[20:30] <zenpho> mm, i guess those are the firmware files we need - but they no-doubt need to go somewhere specific for another piece of software to find 'em
[20:30] <unready> yeah, makes sense
[20:32] <zenpho> i'm wondering if the .tar.gz we've both downloaded is just the "raw data" - without the extra "package installation data"  - like where to put the files
[20:32] <zenpho> i wonder if i try (with my connection here) to install "linux-firmware-nonfree" then look in my package cache (if i can figure out where that is)
[20:37] <zenpho> oki - i think the cache is in "/var/cache/apt/archives" -- if you look for "linux-firmware-nonfree_1.14ubuntu1_all.deb"
[20:37] <zenpho> it's that ".deb" file which contains all the installation data as well as the raw files
[20:39] <unready> aha
[20:39] <unready> how do i get this .deb file there?
[20:39] <zenpho> you could copy the .deb file with a usb stick to the problem machine then use "synaptic package manager" to install it
[20:41] <unready> ok trying now
[20:41] <zenpho> are you currently on a linux machine?
[20:41] <zenpho> if you install "linux-firmware-nonfree" on the machine you're on, it'll download the .deb to "/var/cache/apt/archives" before installing - you can just copy the file to a usb memory stick
[20:42]  * zenpho crosses fingers
[20:42] <zenpho> i'm _really_ out of ideas if this doesn'y work
[20:42] <unready> no windows... but i have just copied the .deb file to ubuntu and double clicked on it and its installing
[20:42] <unready> hope it works :)
[20:43] <zenpho> me too!
[20:46] <zenpho> you'll probably have to reboot before it'll load - i'm sure there's a non-rebooty way but i'm not sure
[20:49] <unready> oh yeah! it works
[20:49] <unready> thanks man for all your help
[20:49] <unready> I will pay it forward :)
[20:50] <zenpho> woop!
[20:50] <zenpho> i'm glad you got it working... very satisfying!
[20:51] <unready> yap, for a moment i thought 'it's back to windows for me'
[20:51] <unready> glad to see that isn't so
[20:51] <unready> just one more thing and then i'll quit bugging - what's the keyboard shrotcut for the terminal?
[20:52] <unready> ctrl+alt+t doesn't do anything
[20:52] <zenpho> i'm not sure there is a shortcut - i always start one, then have it minimised in case i need it
[20:53] <unready> oh ok, cool
[20:59]  * zenpho dances around the room to skin tight by the ohio players ;o)
[20:59] <zenpho> what a tune!
[21:01] <unready> ohio players, oh yea :)
[21:01] <unready> lover rollercoaster is the best
[21:01] <unready> *love
[21:04] <unready> dayum, a great tune indeed
[21:08] <zenpho> yeh the repeating ascending/descending line in love rollercoaster really sticks with you!
[21:08] <cfhowlett> ohio players : fire!
[21:12] <zenpho> since we're talking funk... the "fire" bass line reminds me of the parliament "give up the funk" chant
[21:13] <unready> yep! had an immediate association
[21:13] <unready> that thumpin boomin phat bootsy sound
[21:13] <unready> love it
[21:13] <unready> :)
[21:13] <zenpho> hehe
[21:16]  * zenpho_ is away
[22:27] <combinatoric> Hi there, I'm trying to upgrade my ubuntustudio and keep getting an error msg about my boot folder not having enough room
[22:27] <combinatoric> I've cleared the boot folder but still there's not enough memory
[22:27] <combinatoric> any idea the best way to tackle this?