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knomeand it's not impossible to do multiple, flying to germany isn't too expensive anyway00:13
knomeactually,00:13
ochosijjfrv8: the font also seems a bit off btw in your screenshot. is this droid sans 9 with 96dpi?00:14
jjfrv8hmm, let me check00:14
ochosiknome: yeah, true00:14
jjfrv8good eye, ochosi 00:14
ochosimicahg: meeeeerge ;)00:14
knomea return bus trip to forssa (115km from helsinki) costs 46,10 euros...00:14
knomeso double that and you are in berlin and back!00:14
knomebut yeah, i'm off00:14
ochosijjfrv8: well that's what i'm not paid for to do here ;D00:14
ochosiknome: night!00:14
knomethanks everybody for the sprinting and stuff!00:14
knomenighty!00:14
knome->00:14
elfycya knome 00:17
ochosinight everyone!00:18
elfydkessel: - never noticed you in here as well :)00:18
jjfrv8knome, one with a jagged cut line: http://imagebin.org/29941502:01
jjfrv8knome, or a shortened one with no scroll bar: http://imagebin.org/29941602:02
elfyknome: MP done and waiting08:14
dkessel_elfy: you never noticed me here because I have never been here ;)08:50
elfyha ha ha08:50
knomeelfy, what do you think of something like "Xubuntu will always come without any fees; feel free to pass on your installation media to your friend and let them try Xubuntu as well!"09:44
AussieDownUnderknome, that's pretty long09:45
elfyI really don't like the any :)09:45
AussieDownUnder"Xubuntu like a dirty hippy, forever free"09:46
knomeelfy, yeah, remove that and what do you like it then :P09:46
knomeAussieDownUnder, that's not helpful.09:46
* elfy is just looking to see what it actually looks like09:46
knomeand i would also move it below the other <p> with that wording09:47
AussieDownUnder"xubuntu, forever free & shareable"09:47
AussieDownUnderYeah I lol sorry about that. And yeah don't take my advice ever. Except I think yours is way long.09:48
knomewe are not trying to come up with a motto09:48
AussieDownUnderminus the I*09:48
AussieDownUnderOooooh. I guess I should ask what you's are doing then? If yous even want to tell me that is.09:48
elfyknome: ok- how about "Xubuntu will always come without fees; feel free to pass on your installation media and let others try Xubuntu as well.09:48
AussieDownUnderelfy, that's a winner09:49
knomeAussieDownUnder, working on the installer slideshow09:49
knomeelfy, yeah, that sounds good09:49
AussieDownUnderknome, okay.09:49
elfyyou want me to do that and push?09:49
knomeelfy, and you think it's ok to drop it below the other paragraph?09:49
elfyyea - I think that will look more logical09:50
knomeif you have it handy, sure; if not, i can merge it locally09:50
elfygot it here 09:50
knomeok09:50
knomei'll look at other things meanwhile then09:50
elfyknome: ok - so I am pushing with the changes and ordered 1 - we'd love, 2 - pass it on and 3 - help us09:51
knomeyep09:51
AussieDownUndersorry dudes & dudets didn'y realise I was in this devel channel. I'll quit out since what yous are doing looks extremely important.09:52
elfyknome: pushed that09:52
knometa09:53
knomeso,09:53
knomewho did what09:53
elfyI don't understand 09:53
knomei'm updating the changelog09:53
elfyoic - no idea lol09:53
knomeok, pushed rev61110:01
knomewith changelog mentioning elfy as well ;)10:01
elfylol10:02
knomehmm10:02
knomelooks like it's a bit tight10:03
knomei'll make the column wider10:03
elfyok10:03
elfyI did wonder10:03
knomeheh,10:05
knomethat artwork is fron natty ;)10:05
elfyI still think that the mugshot image should be cut to fit - even in the light of a new day10:05
knomehehe10:05
knomeyeah10:05
knomewe'll discuss that with ochosi when he gets back10:06
elfyyep10:06
elfyd'oh10:07
elfymeant to reword slightly ... 10:07
knomehuh?10:07
elfyor at least talk about it 10:07
knomewhat then? :)10:07
elfyThe different ways to contribute to the Xubuntu community10:07
elfyrather than The different ways that you can contribute10:08
elfyit's obvious that it's 'you' 10:08
knomedone10:08
elfy*opinion*10:08
elfyok :)10:08
* elfy shall spend a bit of time looking at Simon's blog post this weekend too10:11
knomenice10:12
elfyand I just need to check figures for mine and give it a new look and that should be ready to roll shortly after release10:13
elfyknome: one thing I keep meaning to mention - with the old website you could see slightly older blog posts - not so now10:14
knomeelfy, yep10:14
knomeelfy, we will have to think of that, and if we start to use the team calendar more actively, maybe showing new events from that too10:15
elfyanything can be done to make them a bit more discoverable?10:15
elfyyea10:15
knomepossible, will have to touch the ode most probably though10:15
knomebut will look at that once all release-critical, deadline-related stuff is done10:15
elfyI guessed as much 10:15
knomethere is no website freeze ;)10:15
elfyoh yea of course - totally agree :)10:15
elfywas just mentioning it when I thought of it - because I will forget all about it till the next time :D10:17
knomeheh10:17
elfyknome: slight error on slide 7 - currently says The different to contribute ... missing ways :)10:44
elfybbl10:48
knomeheh11:02
dkessel_slide 5 says "left top" - shouldn't that rather be "top left"?11:05
* knome shrugs :)11:05
arrithis there a task tracker for the xubuntu website? (i should probably google this, i'm assuming launchpad)11:06
knomearrith, https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website11:07
arriththanks :X11:07
arrithis http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com automated or people submit reports?11:12
knomepeople submit results11:13
arrithah ok. that makes sense. are there any automated test suites for the isos?11:13
arrithhttp://qa.ubuntu.com/getting-involved/automated-tests/11:15
arrithhm few google results on that11:16
knomeUnit193, linguas2 looks okay to me. is there something else we need to make the translations working?11:23
Unit193Full translations?11:28
knomewell we almost have such. :P11:29
Unit193knome: I'd say testing.11:46
brainwashslickymaster: hey, should we turn bug 1289411 into a meta report? because there are also upstream patches for xfce4-settings and libxfce4ui which addresses the initial problem (messed up xfce_dialog_show_help function)11:49
ubottubug 1289411 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "Help button of Desktop Settings UI doesn't open online help" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128941111:49
Unit193knome: Unbroke it now too.11:58
knome:)11:59
knomei should test it some day11:59
knomelike tomorrow11:59
knomebluesabre, bug 122380812:00
ubottubug 1223808 in gmusicbrowser (Ubuntu) "gmbrc misses line to activate albuminfo-plugin" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122380812:00
knomebluesabre, did that ever get fixed?12:00
bluesabreknome: I think there have been multiple uploads after that12:01
bluesabreI can check today12:01
knomeok, thanks12:01
Unit193knome: One thing, you can only decide to make the English guide, but the startpage will always have translated links.12:02
Unit193s/translated/translation/12:03
knomebluesabre, bug 1291019 ?12:03
ubottubug 1291019 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "xflock4 still uses xscreensaver by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129101912:03
bluesabreI'll fix that this weekend, we found a security hole, created a patch, and cavalier will do a new release this weekend12:04
knomeok12:04
bluesabreI'll fix that as I get the new release uploaded12:04
knomejust for the record, please don't attach bugs to the topic-... blueprint12:05
knomethey don't show up in the tracker12:05
knomei'm moving those to -t-bugs and -t-features as appropriate12:05
bluesabreok12:06
knomebug 117711612:06
ubottubug 1177116 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Xfwm4's 'dialog' window has an unused maximise-button" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117711612:06
knomeare we doing something for that?12:06
knomei guess not12:06
bluesabrenot sure, ali1234 is the only one that "gets" xfwm12:06
knomeali1234, bug 117711612:06
brainwashwe talked about it yesterday12:07
knomeaha12:07
knomeso... what's the status12:07
knomeare we trying to tackle that or not?12:07
brainwasha fix seems to be unlikely12:07
brainwashunless I try to resolve it :D12:07
knomethat doesn't imply if there is work to be done to try to fix it or not12:08
brainwashso it's more of a "wishlist" thing12:08
knomei understand the scope12:08
brainwashno one has done anything until now, so no12:08
brainwashwe don't want to break anything at this point of the dev cycle12:09
knomeunlinking it then12:09
brainwashshould we add bug 1232804 to t-features?12:11
ubottubug 1232804 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Improve "login greeter -> desktop" transition in Xubuntu" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123280412:11
knomei'm generally +1 for adding "fix released" bugs12:12
knomebecause it's obvious that this progress was made for T12:12
knomethough could also be -t-bugs12:12
* knome shrugs12:12
knomeyou decide12:12
brainwashnot really a bug12:12
brainwashok12:12
Unit193brainwash: What didn't make it?12:34
brainwashUnit193: what do you mean?12:36
Unit193Nothing, nevermind.12:37
Unit193Though, not sure I'm in favor of it in Xfwm, causes quirks on one computer here.12:38
brainwashso you should create a lp report12:40
brainwashotherwise we won't know which hardware/driver might cause problems12:41
Unit193RV370/M22, but haven't tried it in Trusty yet.12:42
brainwashplease do12:43
Unit193(Tried it on this hardware in Trusty, that is.)12:45
jjfrv8knome, does it look like this: http://imagebin.org/299466 because I'm building it on precise, or is that the way you wanted it?12:49
knomejjfrv8, hmm, no, that's not the way it's supposed to look16:35
knomejjfrv8, i'll investigate on it16:35
slickymasterhey guys17:01
elfyhi slickymaster 17:02
slickymasterhey elfy 17:05
slickymasterbrainwash: what's the actual procedure to turn a bug into a meta report?17:08
slickymasterhey knome, the whisker shot is broken diagonally ;)17:15
knomemamma mia17:15
knome:P17:15
knomei'm off to sauna, bbl17:16
slickymasteryou lucky one :P17:16
slickymasterand privileged17:16
elfyanyone got link to menulibre's docs 17:16
elfynvm - got it here lol17:17
slickymasterhere elfy http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs17:17
elfyta17:20
elfyslickymaster: if you get chance over the next few days menulibre is there now https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1256911/+merge/21118118:02
brainwashNoskcaj: any idea regarding bug 1291606 ?19:36
ubottubug 1291606 in mousepad (Ubuntu) "Mousepad isn't localized in Dutch, although fully translated into Dutch on Launchpad" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129160619:36
brainwashthe mouse package has been updated for quite some time19:37
brainwashdutch translation was added 2013-04-2619:38
brainwashso add it and rebuild? or build from a new git snapshot, because only translations have been added/updated anyway19:41
brainwashoh, should be "the mousepad package hasn't been updated for quite some time" :)19:44
Noskcajbrainwash, Maybe check various bugtrackers for other reasons for a mousepad 0.3.1 to be released20:14
brainwashthere are none20:15
brainwashvalid reasons20:15
Noskcajhttps://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=General&list_id=16313&product=Mousepad&resolution=---20:23
brainwashso we pick random patches and release a new version? :)20:29
brainwashthat sounds somewhat unlikely20:30
Unit193Maintainer of mousepad on IRC?20:40
Noskcajbrainwash, It's possible there will be a release for just translation updates, but some bugfixes would make a release more likely20:47
brainwashsounds reasonable20:48
Unit193xfce 10497 would be good.20:49
ubottuxfce bug 10497 in General "Ctrl-click-drag freezes mousepad, using 100% of CPU" [Critical,Assigned] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1049720:49
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/XHjVq0WVYaM5cee8LMN9/ backtrace for that bug.21:11
Unit193Well, "backtrace"21:11
brainwashwhy do you even ctrl-click-drag in the first place?21:19
Unit193Because that's what the bug report said would lag it. :P21:20
brainwashif it does not work, does it break any functionality?21:20
brainwashwe should tell the dutch guy, that he needs to fix some random mousepad bug, so that his translation will finally land in ubuntu :)21:22
Unit193Hah, he really wants everything translated. :P21:23
andrzejrochosi, bugfix release of the indicator plugin21:42
Unit193http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-indicator-plugin/commit/?id=162fac0d77373c5c4195eea03dbaf8f02e924a1a - xfce 1074921:45
ubottuxfce bug 10749 in General "blank Properties window" [Major,New] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074921:45
brainwashit can be marked as resolved then I guess21:46
brainwashNoskcaj: do you know what's wrong here? https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/xfce-git/+build/581584721:48
brainwashwasn't able to build it successfully yet21:49
NoskcajWhat packaging changes have there been from what's in ubuntu?21:49
brainwashI simply updated the changelog and copied the debian folder21:50
Unit193brainwash: Yes.21:50
Unit193brainwash: Also, recently PPA'd it for you, thanks for the hint.21:50
brainwashppa'd what?21:50
Unit193xfdesktop.21:51
Noskcajthe bottom of https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+recipe/xfdesktop-git should say 3.0 ,not 0.321:51
Noskcaji don't know if that changes anything21:51
Unit193Noskcaj: bzr builder 0.3 is right, this isn't Debian packaging.21:52
brainwashthe recipe format?21:52
Unit193It's the dash.21:52
brainwashmaybe I should try to build it locally first21:53
NoskcajUnit193, oops21:55
brainwashNoskcaj: did you check the build log?21:56
NoskcajJust that dh_auto_configure did nothing21:56
Unit193brainwash: As I said, it's the dash, trusty no longer accepts those in native packages.21:56
brainwashdash? which dash? =S21:59
Noskcajin the version number21:59
bluesabreany translators around?22:03
Noskcajbluesabre, en_AU :)22:03
bluesabreworks for me22:03
bluesabre:)22:03
bluesabrehttps://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk22:03
bluesabrerosetta was messed up, please update your translation and let's see if it sticks22:04
Unit193bluesabre: I can do en_AU, s/o/ou/g -i :P22:05
bluesabrehaha22:05
Noskcaj:)22:05
Noskcajtranslation works fine22:06
Unit193s/chips/crisps/ -e s/fries/chips/ :P22:06
bluesabregood deal22:06
bluesabreI'll see if launchpad correctly does the automatic upload later, and then I'll do a call for refreshed translations22:07
NoskcajUnit193, learn s/z/s and you have completed you en_au training22:16
Unit193Thus, why I think it's pointless. :P22:17
Noskcajof course it's pointless. I do it for lulz and lp karma22:18
Unit193Which is a near abusive reason to. :/22:18
brainwashso where is the dash and how do I remove it?22:20

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