[00:13] <knome> and it's not impossible to do multiple, flying to germany isn't too expensive anyway
[00:13] <knome> actually,
[00:14] <ochosi> jjfrv8: the font also seems a bit off btw in your screenshot. is this droid sans 9 with 96dpi?
[00:14] <jjfrv8> hmm, let me check
[00:14] <ochosi> knome: yeah, true
[00:14] <jjfrv8> good eye, ochosi 
[00:14] <ochosi> micahg: meeeeerge ;)
[00:14] <knome> a return bus trip to forssa (115km from helsinki) costs 46,10 euros...
[00:14] <knome> so double that and you are in berlin and back!
[00:14] <knome> but yeah, i'm off
[00:14] <ochosi> jjfrv8: well that's what i'm not paid for to do here ;D
[00:14] <ochosi> knome: night!
[00:14] <knome> thanks everybody for the sprinting and stuff!
[00:14] <knome> nighty!
[00:14] <knome> ->
[00:17] <elfy> cya knome 
[00:18] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:18] <elfy> dkessel: - never noticed you in here as well :)
[02:01] <jjfrv8> knome, one with a jagged cut line: http://imagebin.org/299415
[02:02] <jjfrv8> knome, or a shortened one with no scroll bar: http://imagebin.org/299416
[08:14] <elfy> knome: MP done and waiting
[08:50] <dkessel_> elfy: you never noticed me here because I have never been here ;)
[08:50] <elfy> ha ha ha
[09:44] <knome> elfy, what do you think of something like "Xubuntu will always come without any fees; feel free to pass on your installation media to your friend and let them try Xubuntu as well!"
[09:45] <AussieDownUnder> knome, that's pretty long
[09:45] <elfy> I really don't like the any :)
[09:46] <AussieDownUnder> "Xubuntu like a dirty hippy, forever free"
[09:46] <knome> elfy, yeah, remove that and what do you like it then :P
[09:46] <knome> AussieDownUnder, that's not helpful.
[09:46]  * elfy is just looking to see what it actually looks like
[09:47] <knome> and i would also move it below the other <p> with that wording
[09:47] <AussieDownUnder> "xubuntu, forever free & shareable"
[09:48] <AussieDownUnder> Yeah I lol sorry about that. And yeah don't take my advice ever. Except I think yours is way long.
[09:48] <knome> we are not trying to come up with a motto
[09:48] <AussieDownUnder> minus the I*
[09:48] <AussieDownUnder> Oooooh. I guess I should ask what you's are doing then? If yous even want to tell me that is.
[09:48] <elfy> knome: ok- how about "Xubuntu will always come without fees; feel free to pass on your installation media and let others try Xubuntu as well.
[09:49] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, that's a winner
[09:49] <knome> AussieDownUnder, working on the installer slideshow
[09:49] <knome> elfy, yeah, that sounds good
[09:49] <AussieDownUnder> knome, okay.
[09:49] <elfy> you want me to do that and push?
[09:49] <knome> elfy, and you think it's ok to drop it below the other paragraph?
[09:50] <elfy> yea - I think that will look more logical
[09:50] <knome> if you have it handy, sure; if not, i can merge it locally
[09:50] <elfy> got it here 
[09:50] <knome> ok
[09:50] <knome> i'll look at other things meanwhile then
[09:51] <elfy> knome: ok - so I am pushing with the changes and ordered 1 - we'd love, 2 - pass it on and 3 - help us
[09:51] <knome> yep
[09:52] <AussieDownUnder> sorry dudes & dudets didn'y realise I was in this devel channel. I'll quit out since what yous are doing looks extremely important.
[09:52] <elfy> knome: pushed that
[09:53] <knome> ta
[09:53] <knome> so,
[09:53] <knome> who did what
[09:53] <elfy> I don't understand 
[09:53] <knome> i'm updating the changelog
[09:53] <elfy> oic - no idea lol
[10:01] <knome> ok, pushed rev611
[10:01] <knome> with changelog mentioning elfy as well ;)
[10:02] <elfy> lol
[10:02] <knome> hmm
[10:03] <knome> looks like it's a bit tight
[10:03] <knome> i'll make the column wider
[10:03] <elfy> ok
[10:03] <elfy> I did wonder
[10:05] <knome> heh,
[10:05] <knome> that artwork is fron natty ;)
[10:05] <elfy> I still think that the mugshot image should be cut to fit - even in the light of a new day
[10:05] <knome> hehe
[10:05] <knome> yeah
[10:06] <knome> we'll discuss that with ochosi when he gets back
[10:06] <elfy> yep
[10:07] <elfy> d'oh
[10:07] <elfy> meant to reword slightly ... 
[10:07] <knome> huh?
[10:07] <elfy> or at least talk about it 
[10:07] <knome> what then? :)
[10:07] <elfy> The different ways to contribute to the Xubuntu community
[10:08] <elfy> rather than The different ways that you can contribute
[10:08] <elfy> it's obvious that it's 'you' 
[10:08] <knome> done
[10:08] <elfy> *opinion*
[10:08] <elfy> ok :)
[10:11]  * elfy shall spend a bit of time looking at Simon's blog post this weekend too
[10:12] <knome> nice
[10:13] <elfy> and I just need to check figures for mine and give it a new look and that should be ready to roll shortly after release
[10:14] <elfy> knome: one thing I keep meaning to mention - with the old website you could see slightly older blog posts - not so now
[10:14] <knome> elfy, yep
[10:15] <knome> elfy, we will have to think of that, and if we start to use the team calendar more actively, maybe showing new events from that too
[10:15] <elfy> anything can be done to make them a bit more discoverable?
[10:15] <elfy> yea
[10:15] <knome> possible, will have to touch the ode most probably though
[10:15] <knome> but will look at that once all release-critical, deadline-related stuff is done
[10:15] <elfy> I guessed as much 
[10:15] <knome> there is no website freeze ;)
[10:15] <elfy> oh yea of course - totally agree :)
[10:17] <elfy> was just mentioning it when I thought of it - because I will forget all about it till the next time :D
[10:17] <knome> heh
[10:44] <elfy> knome: slight error on slide 7 - currently says The different to contribute ... missing ways :)
[10:48] <elfy> bbl
[11:02] <knome> heh
[11:05] <dkessel_> slide 5 says "left top" - shouldn't that rather be "top left"?
[11:05]  * knome shrugs :)
[11:06] <arrith> is there a task tracker for the xubuntu website? (i should probably google this, i'm assuming launchpad)
[11:07] <knome> arrith, https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
[11:07] <arrith> thanks :X
[11:12] <arrith> is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com automated or people submit reports?
[11:13] <knome> people submit results
[11:13] <arrith> ah ok. that makes sense. are there any automated test suites for the isos?
[11:15] <arrith> http://qa.ubuntu.com/getting-involved/automated-tests/
[11:16] <arrith> hm few google results on that
[11:23] <knome> Unit193, linguas2 looks okay to me. is there something else we need to make the translations working?
[11:28] <Unit193> Full translations?
[11:29] <knome> well we almost have such. :P
[11:46] <Unit193> knome: I'd say testing.
[11:49] <brainwash> slickymaster: hey, should we turn bug 1289411 into a meta report? because there are also upstream patches for xfce4-settings and libxfce4ui which addresses the initial problem (messed up xfce_dialog_show_help function)
[11:58] <Unit193> knome: Unbroke it now too.
[11:59] <knome> :)
[11:59] <knome> i should test it some day
[11:59] <knome> like tomorrow
[12:00] <knome> bluesabre, bug 1223808
[12:00] <knome> bluesabre, did that ever get fixed?
[12:01] <bluesabre> knome: I think there have been multiple uploads after that
[12:01] <bluesabre> I can check today
[12:01] <knome> ok, thanks
[12:02] <Unit193> knome: One thing, you can only decide to make the English guide, but the startpage will always have translated links.
[12:03] <Unit193> s/translated/translation/
[12:03] <knome> bluesabre, bug 1291019 ?
[12:04] <bluesabre> I'll fix that this weekend, we found a security hole, created a patch, and cavalier will do a new release this weekend
[12:04] <knome> ok
[12:04] <bluesabre> I'll fix that as I get the new release uploaded
[12:05] <knome> just for the record, please don't attach bugs to the topic-... blueprint
[12:05] <knome> they don't show up in the tracker
[12:05] <knome> i'm moving those to -t-bugs and -t-features as appropriate
[12:06] <bluesabre> ok
[12:06] <knome> bug 1177116
[12:06] <knome> are we doing something for that?
[12:06] <knome> i guess not
[12:06] <bluesabre> not sure, ali1234 is the only one that "gets" xfwm
[12:06] <knome> ali1234, bug 1177116
[12:07] <brainwash> we talked about it yesterday
[12:07] <knome> aha
[12:07] <knome> so... what's the status
[12:07] <knome> are we trying to tackle that or not?
[12:07] <brainwash> a fix seems to be unlikely
[12:07] <brainwash> unless I try to resolve it :D
[12:08] <knome> that doesn't imply if there is work to be done to try to fix it or not
[12:08] <brainwash> so it's more of a "wishlist" thing
[12:08] <knome> i understand the scope
[12:08] <brainwash> no one has done anything until now, so no
[12:09] <brainwash> we don't want to break anything at this point of the dev cycle
[12:09] <knome> unlinking it then
[12:11] <brainwash> should we add bug 1232804 to t-features?
[12:12] <knome> i'm generally +1 for adding "fix released" bugs
[12:12] <knome> because it's obvious that this progress was made for T
[12:12] <knome> though could also be -t-bugs
[12:12]  * knome shrugs
[12:12] <knome> you decide
[12:12] <brainwash> not really a bug
[12:12] <brainwash> ok
[12:34] <Unit193> brainwash: What didn't make it?
[12:36] <brainwash> Unit193: what do you mean?
[12:37] <Unit193> Nothing, nevermind.
[12:38] <Unit193> Though, not sure I'm in favor of it in Xfwm, causes quirks on one computer here.
[12:40] <brainwash> so you should create a lp report
[12:41] <brainwash> otherwise we won't know which hardware/driver might cause problems
[12:42] <Unit193> RV370/M22, but haven't tried it in Trusty yet.
[12:43] <brainwash> please do
[12:45] <Unit193> (Tried it on this hardware in Trusty, that is.)
[12:49] <jjfrv8> knome, does it look like this: http://imagebin.org/299466 because I'm building it on precise, or is that the way you wanted it?
[16:35] <knome> jjfrv8, hmm, no, that's not the way it's supposed to look
[16:35] <knome> jjfrv8, i'll investigate on it
[17:01] <slickymaster> hey guys
[17:02] <elfy> hi slickymaster 
[17:05] <slickymaster> hey elfy 
[17:08] <slickymaster> brainwash: what's the actual procedure to turn a bug into a meta report?
[17:15] <slickymaster> hey knome, the whisker shot is broken diagonally ;)
[17:15] <knome> mamma mia
[17:15] <knome> :P
[17:16] <knome> i'm off to sauna, bbl
[17:16] <slickymaster> you lucky one :P
[17:16] <slickymaster> and privileged
[17:16] <elfy> anyone got link to menulibre's docs 
[17:17] <elfy> nvm - got it here lol
[17:17] <slickymaster> here elfy http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs
[17:20] <elfy> ta
[18:02] <elfy> slickymaster: if you get chance over the next few days menulibre is there now https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1256911/+merge/211181
[19:36] <brainwash> Noskcaj: any idea regarding bug 1291606 ?
[19:37] <brainwash> the mouse package has been updated for quite some time
[19:38] <brainwash> dutch translation was added 2013-04-26
[19:41] <brainwash> so add it and rebuild? or build from a new git snapshot, because only translations have been added/updated anyway
[19:44] <brainwash> oh, should be "the mousepad package hasn't been updated for quite some time" :)
[20:14] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Maybe check various bugtrackers for other reasons for a mousepad 0.3.1 to be released
[20:15] <brainwash> there are none
[20:15] <brainwash> valid reasons
[20:23] <Noskcaj> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=General&list_id=16313&product=Mousepad&resolution=---
[20:29] <brainwash> so we pick random patches and release a new version? :)
[20:30] <brainwash> that sounds somewhat unlikely
[20:40] <Unit193> Maintainer of mousepad on IRC?
[20:47] <Noskcaj> brainwash, It's possible there will be a release for just translation updates, but some bugfixes would make a release more likely
[20:48] <brainwash> sounds reasonable
[20:49] <Unit193> xfce 10497 would be good.
[21:11] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/XHjVq0WVYaM5cee8LMN9/ backtrace for that bug.
[21:11] <Unit193> Well, "backtrace"
[21:19] <brainwash> why do you even ctrl-click-drag in the first place?
[21:20] <Unit193> Because that's what the bug report said would lag it. :P
[21:20] <brainwash> if it does not work, does it break any functionality?
[21:22] <brainwash> we should tell the dutch guy, that he needs to fix some random mousepad bug, so that his translation will finally land in ubuntu :)
[21:23] <Unit193> Hah, he really wants everything translated. :P
[21:42] <andrzejr> ochosi, bugfix release of the indicator plugin
[21:45] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-indicator-plugin/commit/?id=162fac0d77373c5c4195eea03dbaf8f02e924a1a - xfce 10749
[21:46] <brainwash> it can be marked as resolved then I guess
[21:48] <brainwash> Noskcaj: do you know what's wrong here? https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/xfce-git/+build/5815847
[21:49] <brainwash> wasn't able to build it successfully yet
[21:49] <Noskcaj> What packaging changes have there been from what's in ubuntu?
[21:50] <brainwash> I simply updated the changelog and copied the debian folder
[21:50] <Unit193> brainwash: Yes.
[21:50] <Unit193> brainwash: Also, recently PPA'd it for you, thanks for the hint.
[21:50] <brainwash> ppa'd what?
[21:51] <Unit193> xfdesktop.
[21:51] <Noskcaj> the bottom of https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+recipe/xfdesktop-git should say 3.0 ,not 0.3
[21:51] <Noskcaj> i don't know if that changes anything
[21:52] <Unit193> Noskcaj: bzr builder 0.3 is right, this isn't Debian packaging.
[21:52] <brainwash> the recipe format?
[21:52] <Unit193> It's the dash.
[21:53] <brainwash> maybe I should try to build it locally first
[21:55] <Noskcaj> Unit193, oops
[21:56] <brainwash> Noskcaj: did you check the build log?
[21:56] <Noskcaj> Just that dh_auto_configure did nothing
[21:56] <Unit193> brainwash: As I said, it's the dash, trusty no longer accepts those in native packages.
[21:59] <brainwash> dash? which dash? =S
[21:59] <Noskcaj> in the version number
[22:03] <bluesabre> any translators around?
[22:03] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, en_AU :)
[22:03] <bluesabre> works for me
[22:03] <bluesabre> :)
[22:03] <bluesabre> https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk
[22:04] <bluesabre> rosetta was messed up, please update your translation and let's see if it sticks
[22:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: I can do en_AU, s/o/ou/g -i :P
[22:05] <bluesabre> haha
[22:05] <Noskcaj> :)
[22:06] <Noskcaj> translation works fine
[22:06] <Unit193> s/chips/crisps/ -e s/fries/chips/ :P
[22:06] <bluesabre> good deal
[22:07] <bluesabre> I'll see if launchpad correctly does the automatic upload later, and then I'll do a call for refreshed translations
[22:16] <Noskcaj> Unit193, learn s/z/s and you have completed you en_au training
[22:17] <Unit193> Thus, why I think it's pointless. :P
[22:18] <Noskcaj> of course it's pointless. I do it for lulz and lp karma
[22:18] <Unit193> Which is a near abusive reason to. :/
[22:20] <brainwash> so where is the dash and how do I remove it?