[01:50] <Roey> hey all
[01:50] <Roey> using atop I see that for a large btrfs replication I am getting a read rate from the SSD of only 21 MB/s.  Why is this so slow??
[03:02] <Beryl> oh jesus why is X using 14.3GB of memory
[04:07] <Beryl> Anyone have an idea why kwin blows up to tens of GB of ram and crashes X when I run some opengl programs but not others?
[04:08] <Beryl> I'm almost certain it's my graphics drivers... latest nvidia, I don't have this happen on fglrx
[05:58] <abirvalg> irc is live?
[05:59] <abirvalg> russkie sushestvuyut?:)
[07:30] <Beryl> Hahaha, I'm running kubuntu with openbox instead of kwin, I have no clue why I have done this.
[07:33] <rww> i've done that a few times. works pretty well, though i prefer kwin
[07:33] <Beryl> Runs quick, a lot of quirks though, no major issues
[08:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:04] <FlowRiser> Hey, BluesKaj ^^ How are you?
[11:04] <BluesKaj> hi FlowRiser, fine thanks, and you?
[11:04] <FlowRiser> Awesome, checking out Kde Gsoc Ideas
[12:48] <cesar_ferreira> hello
[12:48] <Shaarad> Hello
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hi Shaarad
[13:20] <Shaarad> Does anyone know how to make command line interface like cmus music player?
[13:21] <Shaarad> I downloaded the cmus source from git hub but I couldn't find precise documentation about the code
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Shaarad, you could have just installed with muon, it's in the repos
[13:29] <Shaarad> BluesKaj I actually want to modify the code so as to use it for different purpose.. But I wanted the similar interface
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Shaarad, perhaps searching for cmus documentation in the 'buntu forums might help you
[13:40] <Shaarad> Okay BluesKaj, because the wiki on git hub wasn't sufficient
[13:43] <lordievader> Shaarad: Isn't the documentation IN the code? Usually programmers use inline comments (if they don't use the excuse of "my code doesn't need commenting").
[13:45] <Shaarad> No lordievader, there aren't in line comments
[13:48] <lordievader> Hmm, I see. main.c doesn't contain a lot of comments. I guess they found the code too straight-forward to comment on.
[13:50] <Shaarad> So how will the Ubuntu forums help as suggested by BluesKaj?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> guess you have to search thru them to find out
[13:52] <Shaarad> Okay, thanks all :)
[14:12] <ari__> hi
[14:12] <lordievader> Hey ari__
[14:14] <dougl> morning ladies and gents :)
[14:14] <Aris> Hi
[14:14] <lordievader> Hey dougl
[14:17] <BluesKaj> hey dougl
[14:18] <dougl> what are we learning today... if I plan on being distracted maybe I wont be and not be late for church :)
[14:20] <ari__> hello everybody
[14:20] <ari__> i waan talk about bohdi
[14:20] <BluesKaj> we wouldn't want you to be late for church dougl, God forbid :)
[14:20] <ari__> bodhi
[14:20] <dougl> cli music player = mpg123? but I don't really know what you need...
[14:20] <dougl> lol
[14:24] <ari__> noone wants to talk to me
[14:24] <donix> brand new to linux on pc, have updated to latest version of kubuntu, and upgrades
[14:24] <ari__> i am a ggod girl though
[14:24] <dougl> ari__, i got 10 min
[14:24] <zzzqqqggg> hello
[14:24] <zzzqqqggg> anyone here?
[14:24] <donix> kde plasma app doesnt load on lgin, and crashes when i try to load from taskbar
[14:24] <BluesKaj> ari__, try #bodhilinux
[14:33] <dougl> BBL
[14:58] <daum> hey guys -i'm trying to setup raid1 on my machine however i don't see the option to say us as raid for the file system
[14:59] <daum> i have the 13.10 kubuntu burned to my usb drive
[17:02] <daum> anyone around that can help with getting raid 1 setup?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> !raid | daum
[17:06] <daum> BluesKaj, so i was trying to use kubuntu but it doesn't seem to have the raid option when you do manual like most of those guides say.  so then i tried to do just automatic then followed http://foivos.zakkak.net/tuts/ubuntu_1304_raid1_setup however now when i reboot to the temp grub profile i get that it can't find the md\1 device
[17:06] <daum> and can't load the kernel
[17:10] <BluesKaj> daum, maybe the ppl at #ubuntu can help, since the type of desktop shouldn't affect the raid setup
[17:10] <daum> ok will try there too
[17:47] <daum> is it easy to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> yes, install kubuntu-desktop, then you can switch between ubuntu and kubuntu at login
[17:49] <daum> ah perfect, ubuntu seems to have raid built into their installer now days
[17:49] <daum> so will install with that then make the switch
[17:51] <BluesKaj> daum,  your appls menu will have alot of duplication, apps that do the same thing on both desktopstho
[17:51] <daum> ah ok will try to find a guide to remove all the dupe appes
[17:52] <tigerden> But isn't KDE a bit slower than unity??
[17:52] <daum> i've always liked kde way better (am actually switching from gentoo now)
[17:52] <daum> brb
[17:54] <BluesKaj> tigerden, I found the opposite
[17:54] <tigerden> UI wise KDE is always better, no doubt
[17:54] <BluesKaj> tigerden, I get rid of or disable apps that I never use
[17:55] <tigerden> Okay BluesKaj nice idea
[17:55] <BluesKaj> nepomuk and akonadi server for example, if you don't use the PIM apps
[17:55] <tigerden> Maybe adding ghost theme and enabling all UI effects has slowed my machine down a bit ;)
[17:56] <dougl> :P
[17:58] <tigerden> But for real speed I have arch with LXDE
[17:59] <BluesKaj> nepomuk and akonadi can't be uninstalled without removing kubuntu-desktop, unfortunately, altho when I was testing opensuse 13.1I was able to remove them without losing the kde desktop
[18:00] <tigerden> I think there should be a minimalistic version with same UI but only bare minimum apps
[18:00] <BluesKaj> still didn't make me an opensuse convert tho...not real impressed with their package management
[18:01] <tigerden> I have no idea about suse.. Never used
[18:01] <Roey> never sused suse?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> tigerden, agreed , I've been lobbying for soething similar, but it's fallen on deaf ears
[18:01] <Roey> oh hi BluesKaj
[18:01] <BluesKaj> hi Roey
[18:02] <tigerden> Nope.. I have used Ubuntu variants and arch.. Also raspbian
[18:04] <BluesKaj> thought arch would be an interesting OS, the most interesting part was the install. Using it didn't do much for me
[18:04] <tigerden> Yup.. That feeling when you finally see the desktop :D
[18:05] <tigerden> I have installed it on a 32gig flash drive which contains other OS isos for emergency
[18:09] <Roey> Though I understand this portmanteau, "Raspbian" sounds to me like an operating system for Soviet researchers
[18:09] <Roey> just wanted to put that out there.
[18:09] <Roey> tigerden:  ^
[18:10] <tigerden> Haha why so??
[18:11] <Roey> because it reminds me of Rasputin?
[18:11] <Roey> raspb-
[18:11] <Roey> that, probably
[18:11] <tigerden> Oh yeah! True!
[18:11] <Roey> raspBIAn <=> raspUTIn
[18:11] <Roey> or not Soviet, Czarist Russia, rather
[18:12] <BluesKaj> been thinking about a raspberry pi setup once my old HTPC dies, but the HP desktop just keeps chugging along
[18:12] <Roey> BluesKaj:  for what purposes do you see using raspbian?
[18:12] <Roey> specifically your usage of it
[18:12] <Roey> i.e. whatcha gonna do with it?
[18:12] <ikonia> chaps, maybe #kubuntu-offtopic for this conversation would be best please ?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> not raspian per se, Roey , just a simple setup as a media center
[18:13] <BluesKaj> right now kubuntu 13.10 does the job nicely
[18:21] <Roey> BluesKaj:  aha
[18:21] <Roey> ikonia:  aye
[18:22] <Roey> BluesKaj:  do you have experience with btrfs?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> Roey, nope
[18:24] <dougl> I do raspian
[18:25] <Roey> ah ok
[18:26] <BluesKaj> !btrfs
[18:26] <BluesKaj> Roey,^
[18:27] <Roey> well yes
[18:28] <dougl> I want raspbuntu for my dog's pi...
[18:29]  * dougl <grins>
[18:38]  * BluesKaj wonders if mixed file systems can be used on a sib=ngle install btrfs for / and ext4 for /home and swap
[18:38] <BluesKaj> single install
[18:47] <BluesKaj> swap isn't ext, my mistake
[18:47] <RGee> Hi guys! Just ported to Kubuntu. Just wanted to know how different is kubuntu from ubuntu expect for the fact that this uses kde?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> RGee, both use the ubuntu core, the desktops and apps are different altho gtk and kde apps can run either one
[18:51] <RGee> Hmm.. but the config files for both will be same, right? (the one not depending on kde)
[18:52] <BluesKaj> each app has it's own config file, and some are common to both desktops like pulseaudio for example
[18:55] <BluesKaj> RGee, did you have a particular app in mind ?
[18:57] <RGee> BluesKaj: Not really. Suppose, I want to modify something in lightdm.conf... So, I look up for a solution which is based on ubuntu. So, I just wanted to clarify that will it be the same for kubuntu?
[18:57] <RGee> BluesKaj: Pardon me. I'm pretty new to Linux.
[19:01] <BluesKaj> RGee, well i guess that depends on what you want to mod in the conf file since both OSs use a different default page for lightdm and I'm guessing that the ubuntu lightdm login page will remain the default if you installed ubuntu first
[19:03] <RGee> BluesKaj: Hmm... My main concern was the forum support for ubuntu is much better than that for kubuntu. So, basically wanted to ask whether they would work blindly in kubuntu or not. But I guess, it would work, but not blindly.
[19:04] <BluesKaj> what are you trying to change in the conf file and why ?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> ubuntu also consists of 3 desktops, kubuntu just one
[19:06] <RGee> BluesKaj: Nothing particularly at the moment. But in the morning I wanted to disable guest login. So, I figured that works for *buntu
[19:06] <BluesKaj> supported desktops that is
[19:06] <RGee> BluesKaj: desktops as in?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> unity, gnome, and cinnamon
[19:08] <BluesKaj> afaik at least, I haven't spent much time there in the last few months since kubuntu is now supported officially by blue systems
[19:11] <BluesKaj> I'm talking about the ubuntu support channel
[19:12] <RGee> BluesKaj: Hmm... What do you use on your system, if you don't mind?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> what do i use ? , I installed kubuntu which uses the kde desktop
[19:14] <RGee> BluesKaj: Oh.. Pardon me, I'm new to all this.
[19:14] <BluesKaj> !flavours
[19:14] <BluesKaj> RGee,^
[19:16] <RGee> BluesKaj: This I knew. :)
[19:16] <RGee> BluesKaj: Have you used Debian?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> ok good
[19:18] <BluesKaj> yes, i started with debian as my first serious linux install about 11 yrs ago, a yr or so later switched to kubuntu, never cared for the debian root permission setup
[19:19] <RGee> BluesKaj: I hear ubuntu is based on debian. Is it correct?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:20] <BluesKaj> being an old windows guy I was attracted to the kde desktop and layout
[19:22] <RGee> BluesKaj: Oh yeah. I started using ubuntu about 2 years ago. Was on unity for a while. Switched to gnome. Used that for quite some time. I loved that. But then it was too simple. And now on kubuntu.
[19:22] <RGee> BluesKaj: So, how is ubuntu different from debian?
[19:24] <BluesKaj> !debian
[19:25] <dougl> good chat!
[19:27] <BluesKaj> dougl, some of that monitors might disagree :)
[19:27] <dougl> ... if I could but in, as you learn what is kde and what is gnome you will know what source to use generally.... and now we know why I have those wild problems
[19:28] <dougl> lol
[19:28] <dougl> debian is off topic!
[19:29] <dougl> RGee, how long on linux?
[19:29] <RGee> BluesKaj: I'm sorry if I did something which I'm not supposed to do.
[19:29] <dougl> I do that
[19:30] <dougl> you are all good
[19:30] <RGee> dougl: around 2 years.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> most gnome stuff will run on kde and vice versa, at least it used to do so...and debian is the father of all 'buntus
[19:31] <RGee> BluesKaj: Yeah, I read that link. Good read :)
[19:31] <BluesKaj> but the debian apps aren't written for any ubuntu flavours
[19:31] <dougl> the support for ubuntu is awesome... I have even used debian packages in ubuntu installs.
[19:31] <RGee> BluesKaj: Instead Ubuntu takes the debian packages forward and supply to the main crowd?
[19:32] <BluesKaj> that can cause problems
[19:32] <dougl> :)
[19:33] <BluesKaj> any debian app has an ubuntu/flavour equivalent afaik
[19:34] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried debian in very long time
[19:34] <dougl> the one I am thinking of was synergy...
[19:34] <RGee> How long does it generally take for a new kubuntu release after an new ubuntu release?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> and have no desire to, think the permissions are wierd and I got frustarated having to constantly enter my pw, probly because I didn't understand how to use kwallet , which I stll avoid :)
[19:36] <RGee> What exactly is kwallet?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> RGee, usually the same schedule
[19:36] <RGee> Hmm.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> !kwallet
[19:37] <RGee> Oh..
[19:37] <RGee> !help
[19:38] <RGee> !patience
[19:38] <RGee> !irc
[19:38] <RGee> !firefox
[19:38] <RGee> !dell
[19:39] <BluesKaj> ok RGee so you've learned how to invoke the infobot ...enough already
[19:39] <RGee> This bot is awesome!
[19:39] <RGee> Haha! :D
[19:39] <Unit193> !msgthebot
[19:39] <BluesKaj> you can look the info up for various apps on the muon package manager search
[19:39] <BluesKaj> RGee,^
[19:40] <BluesKaj> thanks Unit193
[19:40] <RGee> Thanks!
[19:41] <RGee> What all kinds of bots do we have here?
[19:41] <BluesKaj> just one bot  that has access to the info
[19:42] <Unit193> Sure.
[19:45] <BluesKaj> ok, these old eyes need a rest... laters
[20:00] <mhumm2> I need some help
[20:09] <mark____> hello test
[20:10] <mark____> Okay.  I need some help...
[20:11] <mark____> is anybody here?
[20:12] <mark____> quit
[20:27] <mhumm61> I need some help with kubuntuforums.net
[20:27] <mhumm61> I need a good email address for one of the moderators.