[01:04] <daftykins> diddledan: camera! D:
[08:26] <mapps> morning
[08:57] <MooDoo> morning
[08:59] <mapps> fell asleep at 12!!
[08:59] <mapps> so early for me :)
[09:00] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:01] <mapps> morning bigcalm
[09:48] <mapps> arrows pretty good
[09:51] <directhex> who wants to re-do the website for Ye Olde SteamOSe for free? :D
[09:52] <bigcalm> directhex: you sound like some of my past clients :(
[09:52] <directhex> yeah, but none of them are as sexy as me
[09:53] <directhex> i'll get it done this week
[09:53] <directhex> by the end of wednesday i plan to have a release which supports raid (fakeraid and mdraid), lvm, ntfs resizing, and pre-5000-series radeons, none of which work with valve steamos
[09:54] <mapps> steamOSe?
[09:54] <directhex> under its new name, but yes
[10:02] <bigcalm> "directhex's better version of SteamOs" catchy
[10:03] <bigcalm> I see there's a sale on Rockstar Games. In preparation for the PC release of GTA V?
[10:04] <bigcalm> Journey of a Roach is now on Linux!
[10:04]  * bigcalm bounces off to play some
[10:05] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[10:06] <mapps> morning Knightwise
[10:06] <mapps> did you get ubuntu touch on the nexus7 in the end?
[10:13] <directhex> what the hell? why can't i install win7 in vmware?
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> directhex: because Microsoft hates you
[10:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:18] <directhex> man i'm hungry
[10:19] <brobostigon> brekkie?
[10:24] <directhex> grr, locked up again. wtf?
[10:27] <directhex> i'll try in BIOS
[10:32] <mapps> wheres it get stuck
[10:35] <directhex> i'll try 8.1 in UEFI
[10:35] <directhex> mapps, "completing installation"
[10:37] <bashrc> I am now a Windows free zone
[10:38] <directhex> frozen in BIOS too :/
[10:39] <bashrc> I did have windows 8 dual boot on my laptop until a few months ago but accidentally deleted it during a 13.10
[10:40] <mapps> UEFI vm!?
[10:42] <directhex> sure
[10:46] <directhex> i'll try w/ virtual scsi instead of virtual sata
[10:49] <directhex> nope. jesus
[12:23] <brobostigon> sunday beer day down the pub i reckon, nice and sunny and warm out.
[12:24] <penguin42> rather grey up here
[12:24] <brobostigon> :(
[12:24] <penguin42> we had 3 or four really nice days early in the week and by Friday I'm back to the heavier coat
[12:25] <brobostigon> ah,
[12:36] <jussi> beer!
[12:46] <mapps> hmm
[12:46] <mapps> i think il just get a sandwich from sainsburys no drink today
[12:46] <mapps> :)
[12:47] <mapps> overdone it recently!
[12:48] <jussi> mapps: awww... you should have one for me, shop is 4km away and Ive no car...
[12:48] <mapps> yea i have to walk 15mins to the shop;p
[12:49] <mapps> but i figure a walk wont hurt its ok weather
[12:49] <jussi> yeah, a walk is always good
[13:34] <czajkowski> DJones: it was an epic game :D
[13:45] <DJones> czajkowski: Finished celebrating yet?
[13:45] <czajkowski> DJones: been so sick all weekend
[13:45] <czajkowski> was all I could do to watch the matches on the couch with my duvet tbh
[13:46] <DJones> Oh dear
[13:46] <czajkowski> fell into bed after we won
[13:46] <DJones> That puts a downer on it, hopefully you felt better afterwards though
[13:46] <czajkowski> hopefully
[13:46] <czajkowski> cannot get my temp down :(
[14:25]  * penguin42 has had a bit of a cold for the last day or so - feels a lot better today fortunately
[15:09] <bashrc> czajkowski: sounds distinctly unpleasant
[15:47] <mapps> watched 10eps of arrow in 2 days:)
[18:19] <aquarius_> hey, people. A networking question. I have two Ubuntu machines; one wired only, one wired & wireless. There is a wifi network available. I want to connect the w+w machine to wifi, connect w+w to wired-only over ethernet cable,and have wired-only be able to see the internet via the wired network
[18:20] <aquarius_> I thinkthis needs bridging or something,but I don't understand it.
[18:20] <aquarius_> w+w is running maverick whichdoes not help.:)
[18:25] <StevenR> aquarius_: it really depends how much control you have over the wireless side
[18:28] <aquarius_> StevenR: control?
[18:29] <StevenR> yup. depends how much configuration control you have over the wireless side, and what it's capable of
[18:29] <StevenR> you've basically got three options, NAT, routing or bridging.
[18:30] <aquarius_> i can configure it w#hoever you want :)
[18:30] <aquarius_> *however
[18:32] <StevenR> bridging is simple, but depends on the wireless router/AP being OK with two IPs on the same MAC address (probably fine)
[18:32] <StevenR> so, you just need to use brctl to build a bridge
[18:34] <aquarius_> ok, what do I do? (I don't understand this stuff!)
[18:34] <StevenR> aquarius_: run brctl
[18:34] <StevenR> it's a terminal command
[18:34] <aquarius_> as root?
[18:34] <StevenR> no
[18:34] <aquarius_> (well, with sudo)
[18:35] <StevenR> (not yet)
[18:35] <aquarius_> ok, it lists subcommands
[18:36] <StevenR> ok, so add a bridge called br0 and then add your wired and wireless interfaces to it (you might break your networking when you do this)
[18:37] <aquarius_> ok, will try
[18:37] <AlanBell> cosmos time shortly :)
[18:38] <aquarius_> I have a br0 already from trying to follow other guides :)
[18:38] <StevenR> aquarius_: pastebin the output of brctl show then
[18:39] <bigcalm> How does one update a factoid in lubotu3?
[18:39] <aquarius_> bridge name	bridge id		STP enabled	interfaces br0		8000.000fb0c12c05	no		eth0
[18:40] <StevenR> aquarius_: use a pastebin please
[18:41] <aquarius_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7103715/
[18:41] <daftykins> another fine ride on the south cliffs today
[18:42] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x4n77vp7rb9123a/MGPDBthSjg
[18:42] <StevenR> aquarius_: ok, so eth0 is your wired interface?
[18:46] <bigcalm> !rat
[18:46] <aquarius_> StevenR: yep. On w+w, eth0 is the wired IF, configured static on 192.16.27.1 in /etc/network/interfaces, and wlan0 is the wireless IF, run by network manager and connected to the wifi network. dhcpd is running on eth0. On wired-only, eth0 is the wired IF, which has a dhcp address from w+w, and they can ping one another
[18:47] <daftykins> sounds alright
[18:48] <daftykins> although not sure you need to use a second class C subnet if you're bridging
[18:48] <aquarius_> I do not really understand that except in general terms :)
[18:49] <daftykins> i won't step on StevenR's toes as he's mid-process :)
[18:50] <StevenR> aquarius_: what is the wireless IP address on w+w ?
[18:53] <aquarius_> StevenR: 10.48.32.19
[18:53] <aquarius_> accordingto ifconfig
[18:54] <daftykins> you'd need to edit the route table of your router for your setup to work without NAT on the w+w machine
[18:55] <aquarius_> daftykins: I have no router. (The wifi network is not mine; it's a BT Fon network.)
[18:55] <daftykins> you fiend!
[18:55] <StevenR> aquarius_: ok, so forget about dhcpd on the wired side of w+w
[18:55] <aquarius_> StevenR: ok
[18:56] <aquarius_> daftykins: I'm paying for a day pass; I'mnot stealing it!
[18:56] <daftykins> :D
[18:59] <aquarius_> StevenR: so I should just configure wired-only to have a static ip for eth0 in network-manager?
[19:00] <aquarius_> actually I'll stop guessing and just do what I'm told :)
[19:00] <StevenR> in a bridging scenario, eth0 doesn't actually need an IP
[19:01] <StevenR> turn off dhcpd, add your wireless adaptor to the bridge and see if it works
[19:02] <aquarius_> StevenR: by "turn off dhcpd",  I should just /etc/init.d/dhcpd  stop, or actually uninstall it and restart networking?
[19:02] <StevenR> dhcpd stop
[19:03] <aquarius_> ok, dhcpd stopped
[19:03] <StevenR> so, add wireless to the bridge
[19:04] <aquarius_> $ brctl addif br0 wlan0 can't add wlan0 to bridge br0: Operation not permitted
[19:04] <StevenR> verify both interfaces are part of the bridge, and then, restart networking on wired only and see what happens
[19:04] <StevenR> sudo
[19:04] <aquarius_> (on two lines)
[19:05] <aquarius_> same error with sudo
[19:07] <StevenR> hmmm
[19:07] <StevenR> ok....
[19:09] <StevenR> might need to remove the IP addresses from wlan0 and use dhcp client on br0 to get access
[19:09] <StevenR> daftykins: thoughts?
[19:11] <daftykins> no direct experience with brctl i'm afraid, i'd suspect it could be network manager holding one or either though?
[19:12] <StevenR> good point
[19:12] <StevenR> not sure how to get around that
[19:13] <daftykins> when i've seen bridge configs in the past, they seem to all have to edit the interfaces file to specify the IP settings on the bridge interface instead of the real interfaces?
[19:13] <StevenR> yes, that's the way I do it
[19:13] <daftykins> not sure how that'd work with wireless though, at least it's probably unencrypted
[19:21] <aquarius_> I'm open to suggestions?
[19:23] <daftykins> mind you, isn't network manager meant to handle bridging pretty easily these days?
[19:25] <StevenR> daftykins: maverick
[19:25] <aquarius_> daftykins: it does but this machine is maverick :(
[19:25] <daftykins> D:
[19:25] <daftykins> apparently you might need to stop network-manager before you run the above command to add wlan0 to the bridge
[19:25] <daftykins> then you can start it again afterwards
[19:25] <daftykins> bear in mind that that's going to disconnect you between
[19:25] <aquarius_> ok
[19:25] <aquarius_> I'll trythat
[19:26] <aquarius_> will likely disappear :)
[19:26] <daftykins> hmm there's talk that the entire task just isn't do-able
[19:27] <aquarius_> back
[19:27] <aquarius_> (can yousee me?)
[19:27] <daftykins> yep
[19:27] <aquarius_> stopped NM, tried adding, same "not supported" error, restarted nm
[19:28] <popey> i use bridging on my home server
[19:28] <popey> but not the same way you do
[19:29] <popey> but I agree that you should maintain /etc/network/interfaces and not use nm
[19:30] <daftykins> http://cartesianproduct.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/wired-to-wireless-bridge-in-ubuntu-linux/
[19:31] <aquarius_> daftykins: I readthat, tried it, didn't work, gotconfused
[19:31] <MooDoo> evening all
[19:31] <daftykins> mm-hmm, anymore detail available for 'didn't work' ? :)
[19:32] <daftykins> hi \o
[19:32] <daftykins> how doyoudomoodoo? :>
[19:32] <MooDoo> :)
[19:32] <aquarius_> daftykins: well, Idon't know enough to even comment. It didn't seem to bridge things, perhaps?
[19:34] <aquarius_> but maybe it did and the problem was elsewhere. Idon't know :(
[19:34] <daftykins> is this a limited-time scenario?
[19:34] <daftykins> as otherwise i'd say get a dongle and be done with it
[19:34] <aquarius_> only need it up for a week
[19:34] <aquarius_> then brodband arrives
[19:34] <daftykins> technically we probably shouldn't be offering any help on any EOL distros
[19:37] <popey> yeah, upgrade you luddite ☻
[19:38] <aquarius_> popey: I'm on someone else's wifi, generously offered. Upgrading wouldbe very much unfairbandwidth.
[19:38] <ali1234> aquarius_: what you want to do has been possible with network manager for a long time
[19:38] <ali1234> i mean as far back as like 10.04 at least
[19:38] <aquarius_> from reading,it's been possible in pure NM since 13.04
[19:38] <ali1234> no it's MUCH older than that
[19:38] <ali1234> you don't even need to mess around with config file
[19:39] <aquarius_> ali1234: if you can tell me how to do it in nm that's great; I'm on 10.10.
[19:39] <ali1234> i have an image somewhere that shows how to do it
[19:39] <ali1234> hold on...
[19:39] <directhex> blurg. dmraid /o\
[19:39] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/htc/Screenshot-6.png
[19:40] <aquarius_> ali1234: there is no Edit Connections menu item
[19:40] <ali1234> it's now called "Edit"
[19:41] <ali1234> so in that screenshot, eth0 is my internet uplink, configured as you normally would
[19:41] <aquarius_> no. There isn't one at all.
[19:42] <ali1234> then you are not using network manager
[19:42] <diddledan> ali1234: are you sure that's for bridging and not NAT?
[19:42] <ali1234> it's for NAT
[19:42] <ali1234> there is no need for bridging
[19:42] <diddledan> yeah, aquarius_ was asking for bridging
[19:42] <aquarius_> I am using NM, and there's no Edit or Edit Connections option, I promise.
[19:43] <popey> aquarius_: wat
[19:43] <ali1234> diddledan: "have wired-only be able to see the internet via the wired network" - this will do that
[19:43] <ali1234> if you don't control the router then you will be behind NAT anyway, so double NAT will have literally no drawbacks
[19:44] <ali1234> aquarius_: show a screenshot pls
[19:44] <diddledan> wow, Meerkat went EOL almost 2 years ago
[19:45] <diddledan> that must be an ancient install :-)
[19:45] <ali1234> incidentally, that screenshot is done with 10.04, which is still supported. just sayin'
[19:45] <ali1234> actually is that true?
[19:45] <ali1234> was it 3 or 5 years?
[19:45] <diddledan> desktop was 3 IIRC
[19:45] <diddledan> server was 5
[19:46] <ali1234> N-M is used on server.....
[19:46] <diddledan> was that a typo?
[19:46] <diddledan> is vs isn't?
[19:47] <ali1234> okay, N-M was used on server in 10.04
[19:47] <ali1234> i remember everyone complaining about it
[19:47] <diddledan> really? I didn't recall that
[19:47] <ali1234> it's part of the reason why i have that screen shot
[19:48] <diddledan> I guess I just configured around it
[19:48] <diddledan> i.e. putting entries in /etc/network/interfaces for my servers so that NM didn't hook them
[19:49] <aquarius_> ali1234: http://postimg.org/image/5068ljnxb/ is screenshot
[19:50] <ali1234> why does it say "device not managed"
[19:50] <aquarius_> because eth0 isin /etc/network/interfaces with astatic ip#
[19:51] <ali1234> what happens if you run nm-connection-editor?
[19:55] <aquarius_> ali1234: aha!
[19:55] <aquarius_> right, that's encouraging
[19:55] <ali1234> so, you want to undo all your config changes, set up the wifi connection normally, and then for the wired connection do what the screenshot shows
[19:55] <ali1234> and that's it. it will just work
[19:56] <aquarius_> nice
[19:56] <ali1234> you might need to install dnsmasq if it isn't already
[19:56] <aquarius_> tryingthat
[19:56] <ali1234> that handles dhcp on the wired network, gives your other machine it's IP
[19:56] <ali1234> it will be a NAT connection but as you only have control over these two machines that isn't a problem
[19:59] <ali1234> also bridging and wifi do not mix well
[20:03] <daftykins> for reference: spaghetti bolognese with tabasco sauce on the bolognese sauce = much improved \o/
[20:03] <diddledan> what problems are supposed to be present when you bridge wifi?
[20:03] <daftykins> Gandalf shows up and tells the packet they shall not pass, afaik
[20:04] <diddledan> just I've never had an issue that I recall
[20:04] <diddledan> not that I've done it often
[20:04] <daftykins> diddledan: is the camera still on charge? :>
[20:04] <diddledan> ooh
[20:04] <aquarius__> ali1234: ok, have undoneother stuff (I think), andmarked wired connection as shared
[20:04] <diddledan> it's done
[20:04] <ali1234> diddledan: reflections
[20:05] <aquarius__> now I get acycle of "Auto eth0 Connection established" and "Wired network Disconnected" notify-osd popups
[20:05] <aquarius__> and the wiredconnection on wired-only is not connected
[20:06] <ali1234> on which machine?
[20:06] <aquarius__> ali1234: on w+w
[20:06] <aquarius__> (perhaps I misunderstood instructions? I didn't do anything at all on wired-only)
[20:06] <ali1234> do you have a cross over cable or at least one of the machines has auto sensing?
[20:07] <diddledan> do they still make interfaces without MDI-X?
[20:07] <ali1234> when you say a cycle, do you mean it just keeps showing the two messages forever?
[20:08] <aquarius__> ali1234: well, earlier I had dhcp running on eth0 on w+w and then wired-only did connect and they could ping one another, so I believethat one or both ends have autosensing
[20:08] <ali1234> ok
[20:08] <ali1234> did you disable all that?
[20:08] <ali1234> i mean really all of it
[20:08] <aquarius__> I *think* so
[20:08] <ali1234> the instructions are for a vanilla setup
[20:08] <aquarius__> but maybe I did not; I'velosttrack a little of all the changed things
[20:09] <ali1234> network manager will start the dhcp server for you and set up all the routing
[20:09] <aquarius__> only lo isin /etc/network/interfaces
[20:09] <aquarius__> dhcpd is not running
[20:10] <ali1234> it uses dnsmasq
[20:10] <aquarius__> (ya; I stopped the dhcpd I was running earlier, is whatI  meant)
[20:11] <aquarius__> dnsmasq is running
[20:12] <directhex> wow dmsetup. such bug. much mishandling of device nodes.
[20:14] <aquarius__> ali1234: is there an NM logsomewhere I can look at? syslogshows many lines(repeated) butno obvious *errors*
[20:14] <ali1234> aquarius__: pastebin ifconfig -a please
[20:14] <ali1234> also route -n
[20:14] <ali1234> is it still showing the popups?
[20:15] <aquarius__> ali1234: yes it is
[20:15] <ali1234> then it is trying to set up the network but failing for some reason
[20:15] <aquarius__> ali1234: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7104259/
[20:15] <aquarius__> that br0 thing is still there
[20:16] <ali1234> okay you need to get rid of that br0
[20:16] <daftykins> last thing, eth0 was still attached to it
[20:16] <ali1234> how did you bring it up?
[20:16] <aquarius__> ah,yes
[20:17] <directhex> for the non-twitterites: I have £140, and I want a case, power supply, mobo, RAM, and x64 CPU. Don't care about vintage as long as mobo has software RAID e.g. Intel
[20:17] <diddledan> directhex: software raid?
[20:17] <diddledan> why would you want that?
[20:18] <directhex> diddledan, to debug software raid issues in steamos installer
[20:18] <diddledan> aah
[20:18] <aquarius__> ok,removed eth0 from br0. Can't delete br0 because "bridge br0 is still up; can't delete it"
[20:18] <penguin42> directhex: By software RAID you mean bios supported RAID or just do mdraid?
[20:18] <diddledan> aquarius__: ifconfig br0 down
[20:18] <aquarius__> how do I take it down?
[20:18] <aquarius__> ah
[20:18] <ali1234> brctl br0 down?
[20:18] <daftykins> a bridge too far...
[20:19]  * daftykins ducks
[20:19] <penguin42> ifdown
[20:19] <ali1234> reboot the computer?
[20:19] <directhex> penguin42, the former
[20:19] <diddledan> daftykins: at least it's not at remagen
[20:19] <aquarius__> OK, br0 now not in ifconfig -a
[20:19] <diddledan> or over the river kwai
[20:19] <daftykins> ;]
[20:19] <aquarius__> still getting popups
[20:20] <diddledan> yeah, you still need to reconfigure eth0
[20:20] <ali1234> no
[20:20] <ali1234> network manager does that
[20:20] <diddledan> nm doesn't know that there have been changes tho
[20:20] <ali1234> it doesn't care. it will stomp them if it can
[20:20] <diddledan> so you need to tell nm to reconfigure it I mean
[20:20] <aquarius__> eth0 ismarked as Share with other computers in NM
[20:21] <ali1234> try rebooting to get back to a known state
[20:21] <aquarius__> ok
[20:21] <aquarius__> be back in a sec then:)
[20:21] <diddledan> \o/ for "helpful" software making it impossible to do things without rebooting
[20:21] <ali1234> this would have worked if you all hadn't told him to start editing config files and running brctl
[20:22] <daftykins> config editing never happened
[20:23] <daftykins> aaaand we are where we are, no reason to get all moany over water under the bridge
[20:23] <daftykins> uh-oh bridge :(
[20:23] <diddledan> it must be the river kwai then
[20:23] <diddledan> that's the only one that mentions anything to do with water
[20:24] <diddledan> I guess they were all three going over water though
[20:25] <daftykins> or marshland 0o
[20:25] <daftykins> i have no idea!
[20:26] <directhex> penguin42, mdraid & lvm already works. dmraid doesn't, it's heavily buggy
[20:27] <penguin42> ok, it's specifically the dm not the md you're after - that's a bit more specific on the board
[20:27] <diddledan> tell the users not to try
[20:27] <diddledan> use software raid only
[20:28] <diddledan> afaict bios-raid is a world of pain
[20:28] <ali1234> i've got a dell gx270 - i think it has raid
[20:28] <directhex> diddledan, thereby excluding anyone who already uses raid on windows
[20:28] <ali1234> it's also like 10 years old
[20:28] <diddledan> -_-
[20:29] <diddledan> |
[20:29] <directhex> most motherboards that aren't the absolute lowest-end models have some kind of terrible software RAID support
[20:29] <ali1234> is that what you want?
[20:30] <ali1234> oh wait, it isn't 64 bit
[20:32] <ali1234> how about one of these? http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=1868&dl=1#sp
[20:32] <directhex> socket 939? there's a blast from the past
[20:33] <ali1234> it's newer than the dell :)
[20:34] <diddledan> I've got one of these that I guess I'm not using right now
[20:34] <diddledan> http://www.msi.com/product/mb/975X_Platinum_PowerUp_Edition.html
[20:35] <diddledan> had a minor hardware hack to allow a PCIe x4 card to fit into a PCIe x1 slot
[20:35] <diddledan> i.e. cut the end-plate of the slot out
[20:36] <diddledan> looks like it only does raid 0, 1, 0+1 or JBOD
[20:37] <daftykins> i had a socket 754 in here the other day
[20:44] <dogmatic69_> anyone know how I could get something like cpu1: 20% cpu2: 35% ... in terminal
[20:44] <dogmatic69_> basically what is in htop, but just plain text I can parse out
[20:46] <directhex> mpstat -P all
[20:47] <ali1234> it's case sensitive. you must put ALL
[20:48] <directhex> oh, yes
[20:56] <dogmatic69_> what is the install for mpstat?
[20:56] <dogmatic69_> nvm
[20:57] <dogmatic69_> seems my calculations might just have been ok
[21:01] <directhex> sysstat
[21:14] <daftykins> diddledan: :D i once advised someone to do that, they did not play along
[21:31] <bigcalm> AlanBell: fancy adding a comment to the loco event page? :)
[21:33] <Dave2>  Fatal error: Call to undefined function configureURL() in /home/mhr2013/public_html/gateways/response/paypalpro_return.php on line 46
[21:34] <Dave2> Very reassuring
[21:34] <bigcalm> Dave2: I got the same
[21:34] <Dave2> I at least failed to pay
[21:34] <Dave2> because I typed in my paypal token the wrong way round
[21:34] <bigcalm> Dave2: yet I did receive emails from PayPal and from the RAT people
[21:36] <Dave2> When I paid it was line 43.
[21:37] <bigcalm> Same for me
[21:37] <Dave2> Also, was the thing that prompted this me changing my response because I'm at a wedding on the 30th?
[21:37] <bigcalm> You seem unsure
[21:38] <bigcalm> It looked to be the 2nd August from quite early on
[21:38] <Dave2> I'm at a wedding on the 30th. I was asking if me updating the Doodle poll to reflect this is what prompted the decision to be made.
[21:38] <bigcalm> Oh, yes :)
[21:39] <bigcalm> I needed to close the poll and make the event, that prompted me to get off my arse and do it
[21:43]  * bigcalm feels all alone with his single comment on the event page
[21:45] <MooDoo> evening
[21:46] <Dave2> But you don't have the only comment
[21:46] <Dave2> you're a LIAR
[21:46] <Dave2> also hello