[02:23] Beldar, Note that install works but youll be loicked tot he old kernel and might have some issues updating it [02:23] *locked [02:29] ParkerR, Yeah, it's eol not worth it really. I have the multirom app installed just messing with options. [02:34] Beldar, I currently have that image with e17 on mine [02:34] Actually kinda nice [02:34] At this very moment Im attempting to upgrade to trusty. *ctosses fingers* [02:34] *crosses [02:35] 500MB of updates heh [02:35] Beldar, My wish is an updated desktop image with 3.10+ kernel [02:35] They did a lot in the more recent version for tegra chips [02:36] Including an open source graphics driver [02:39] that update would be nice [02:41] Beldar, but sadly this desktop image we have was just a testing ground when developing Touch [02:41] It wasn't really meant to be used that much :( [02:42] I for one LOVE the idea of desktop image on something i CAN EASILY CARRY WITH ME [02:43] lOT MORE VERSATILE THAT uBUNTU tOUCH IS [02:43] *Caps [02:43] *A lot more versatile than Ubuntu touch is === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|afk [02:57] Beldar, :OO we may be in luck http://i.imgur.com/sSYAzG2.png [02:57] Look at the bottom of the terminal [02:58] There's some program that can flash the kernel and initramfs === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [03:55] Beldar, haha enlightenment crashed part way through and relaunched. this was after it got updated http://i.imgur.com/n0XJa9t.png [03:55] Is ubuntu phones contacts going to be pluginable to different clouds? [03:55] or just ubuntu one [03:55] (or nothing) [04:41] Beldar, you around? [04:43] http://i.imgur.com/QniIgSA.png :D it updated to trusty without a hitch [04:45] Cool, I see people on occasion asking the same grouper nexus general questions here. [04:46] Im going to see what I can do about the kernel now [04:55] Well that sure is some shit https://pastee.org/jcqjv [04:55] grouper doesn;t get the 3.4 kernel while the Nexus 4 and 10 do === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [04:59] :< gogoling linux-image grouper is just showing the results for 3.1. Im surprised nobody has done a newer build [04:59] *googling [04:59] I may try to build one on the device with localmodconfig... [04:59] I wonder if it would flash correctly [05:00] Tempting... === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [05:04] hey guys just wanted to say keep it up, just tried it out on the N4 and while it's not quite ready, i'm loving the gestures so far. [05:06] Who in the heck joins just to say one line and leave [05:06] :| [05:06] Frustrating [05:22] If I backup /dev/mmcblk0p2 can I reflash it with gastboot flash? [05:22] *fastboot flash [05:23] *fastboot flash boot === JoseeAntonioR is now known as jose [06:38] flash-kernel: installing version 3.13.6 [06:38] Flashing kernel and initramfs to /dev/mmcblk0p2... /dev/mmcblk0p2: updated is too big for the Boot Image (12195840 vs 8388608 bytes) [06:43] ogra_, I see yyou had the same issue haha [06:43] *you [06:43] How did you slim yours down exactly? [06:43] [13:25] even when droping everything from the initrd, setting MODULES=list and swithcing to xz compression i cant get the initrd small enough [06:43] [13:30] ah, shiny, weeding out more stuff manually makes it work (sadly right at the edge of teh size limit) === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:20] Ok. This time around I enabled xz and also made sure to check DRM_TEGRA [07:20] Forgot that on the last build [07:27] hello [07:27] could someone help me with something [07:27] Just ask [07:27] If somebody is able to help hopefully they will repsond [07:28] trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 2013 [07:29] OK, so what's the issue? [07:29] didnt know which one to download and if i could install like i would a rom [07:30] MrSparkles, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2628398 [07:31] You can install MultiRom with the application in the playstore [07:31] does it actually dual boot? [07:31] where i can choose which one i wanna use [07:31] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr [07:31] Yes [07:31] thats awsome [07:32] MrSparkles, looks something like this http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/multirom.jpg [07:33] good morning [07:33] Morning [07:33] good morning to you sir [07:36] parker does multirom use its own recovery? that would conflict with clockworkmod [07:36] It does. It uses TWRP [07:36] TWRP is fantastic though [07:37] okay so should i just restore my stock one or will it get rid of clockworkmod and install twrp [07:37] The app should handle it last I checked [07:37] It just needs root access [07:37] okay [07:39] gonna take me a hour or so to download one of those files but also restoring tablet [07:40] MrSparkles, also after it reboots and installs [07:40] Boot into andoird, and reopen multirom manager [07:40] ok === duflu_ is now known as duflu [07:40] It has an option to install Ubuntu Touch (it may or may not have the option. Not sure about the flo) [07:41] does it download the files required in the app? [07:41] So if it doesnt have the ption inside the application just use the XDA thread [07:41] Yep [07:41] *option [07:41] that'd be great === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [08:05] you still here parker? [08:07] ParkerR multirom manager is asking me to install and update do i need to install the kernal on it? [08:07] Yes [08:07] It needs some kernel features that arent in stock [08:07] It should be fine [08:08] ok [08:09] which one though? [08:09] has stock 4.3 4.4 cm 10.2 and cm.11 [08:14] MrSparkles, what android version [08:14] Match it up [08:14] ok [08:14] Settings > About [08:15] yea running 4.4.2 [08:15] Alright so choose that kernel [08:15] it says on playstore that it has option to install ubuntu touch but said for the 4g model === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:15] Well either installation method this part is required :P [08:15] dunno if would work for mine [08:16] yea figured that [08:18] nvm on that last msg [08:24] ok parker do i just install those 2 zip files in recovery? [08:27] MrSparkles, the recovery it installed should do it automatically [08:27] Oh the XDA post? [08:27] yea [08:27] Recovery > Advanced > Multirom [08:28] reboot to Recovery > Advanced > Multirom [08:28] do i have to install them seperatly? [08:28] k [08:28] Just go there and do what the post says [08:28] hmm, what's the easiest way to get my c [08:28] oops [08:28] The multirom section has its own little menu [08:28] hmm, what's the easiest way to get my contacts from my android phone to ubuntu touch? [08:28] without using a google account ;D [08:29] ok parker im in multirom in recovery [08:30] i was thinking about using the somewhat standardized (iirc) vcf format as intermediate step [08:31] google crashed === didrocks1 is now known as didrocks [08:34] i see mentions of syncevolution on e.g. askubuntu [08:35] but it seems the only way to install it is by using the apt tools directly [08:35] which breaks OS updates iirc? [08:35] Yeah you have to make system writable [08:35] Which turns off OTA updates [08:36] Hii. [08:36] ParkerR: "OTA" i an abbreviation for what? [08:36] its possible to see Android GUI on phablet (ubuntu touch) [08:36] ParkerR: in that case, can i still keep the system up to date manually? [08:36] over the air [08:36] fps, Over the air [08:37] anil, You are in Ubuntu touch. How would oyu see android UI? [08:37] *you [08:37] surface Flinger is running [08:38] can we disable lightdm and see android graphics [08:38] ... I dont think it works like that [08:38] hmm ..how I can achieve that [08:38] It's just a compositioner [08:39] That Ubuntu Touch just so happens to borrow from android [08:39] ok.. [08:39] can I disable lxc and boot the system [08:39] ok im installing ubuntu touch now [08:40] because I want to do some experiment with lxc container [08:40] I want to start it manaully once device is up [08:41] i dont think it installed properly parker [08:41] i chose the 2 zip files and it went to black screen within a minute [08:41] I created /etc/init/lxc-android-config.override contain manual but it did not work [08:41] guess ill try in multirom manager [08:48] Hello [08:49] Hello [09:20] ogra_, I really need you ;_; [09:21] parker you still here? [09:21] Aye [09:22] i installed ubuntu touch with the multirom manager and it gets an error whenever it starts [09:22] What does it say? [09:22] umm where would i look its showing me a bunch of lines from klog [09:23] Hmm [09:23] I really dont know :| [09:23] dang [09:26] ParkerR, you are operating under wrong assumptions ;) the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel maintains the kernels :) [09:27] did i install wrong kernal? [09:28] ogra_, Hmm? Im trying to compile a new kernel and am having ha hard time getting it dowen to 8mb [09:28] As some IRC logs pointed out you have too :D [09:29] turn more stuff into modules then [09:29] Hmm ok will try [09:32] but i can update manually if i make the system fs writable? [09:38] parker [09:38] i got it installed finally [09:38] did the xda method [09:39] god i love this its so clean looking and smooth [09:39] I thought thats what you already did... [09:39] i did [09:39] fps, you can but packages may break, we dont officially support apt upgrade/dist-upgrade on these images [09:40] first time it went to black screen and never did anything [09:40] MrSparkles_, meh I like the desktop image better :) http://imgur.com/a/HSJOw#QniIgSA [09:40] figured id try again but this time i tapped on the screen when it would dim and it worked [09:40] * http://i.imgur.com/QniIgSA.png [09:40] =O [09:41] you make a desktop version? [09:41] I updated the old raring image to trusty [09:41] dont understand that really [09:41] How so? [09:41] when it boots it has my default android and 2 ubuntus [09:42] im not really great with linux used it few times but i mainly play games so use windows [09:42] One of the Ubuntus might be the original one you thought failed [09:42] it didnt show up there [09:43] it only showed my original android [09:43] hmm under recent apps browsers bit buggy [09:51] ogra_: ok [09:52] how can i install apps? [09:58] MrSparkles_, from the application page [10:00] MrSparkles_, it pulls the list of available apps from the network, so make sure you are online in some way [10:00] (WLAN, 3G etc) [10:05] sometimes keyboard doesnt open =\ [10:11] hey oSoMoN! how are you? [10:12] hey didrocks [10:13] didrocks, recovering from a big bad flu, I’ve known better days… [10:13] oSoMoN: urgh, you want to be reminded that we are still in winter? (even if the weather doesn't say so :p) [10:14] didrocks, yeah, it looks more like spring here :) [10:14] heh, here as well :) [10:14] ha my weathers sucking to [10:14] oSoMoN: IIRC, the calendar-app and messaging-app are done by your team, right? It seems that they both have flaky test results if you look at the past 2 images on mako [10:14] oSoMoN: mind giving that a look? (are you as well upstream for music-app? I don't think so…) [10:15] didrocks, calendar-app is a community-developed app, messaging-app is developed by my team indeed [10:15] oSoMoN: ok, mind looking at the last one then? [10:15] music-app is community-driven as well [10:15] sure [10:15] I’m on it [10:15] popey: are you in touch with music-app and calendar-app upstream? [10:15] oSoMoN: thanks :) [10:16] well thanks for helping me ParkerR and ogra_ [10:16] ima mess with this a little thanks [10:16] MrSparkles_: also make sure you have dash searches enabled to also search online ;D [10:16] oSoMoN: btw, direct link is http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/238:20140314.1:20140304/7158/messaging_app/897403/ [10:17] didn't fail on latest image even if it seems there is no reason for it to be fixed [10:21] didrocks: yup! on it. [10:21] thanks! [10:28] " ParkerR, you are operating under wrong assumptions ;) the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel maintains the kernels :)" what was that a reply to exactly? [10:32] ParkerR, to the unexpected PM you sent me [10:33] ogra_, Oh haha sorry about that. I started there but then realized the channel might be a better place === ondrat is now known as ondra [10:56] Morning all [10:58] Morning === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [11:38] Hii [11:38] How to enable /dev/fb0 logging on console === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp [11:58] beuno: hey, FYI, the new frameworks names are now added to the touch metapackage, you can add them to the store as well (but keep -dev1 until we have this gallery-app in please) [12:03] :D http://i.imgur.com/f0ZiZuH.png [12:22] ololosha: just a little followup on my previous question: is there a way to make a click package out of a deb and install it on the phone without breaking updates OTA? [12:23] ololosha: sorry, wrong nick completion [12:23] ogra_: just a little followup on my previous question: is there a way to make a click package out of a deb and install it on the phone without breaking updates OTA? [12:24] i'd really like to try syncevolution so i can get my contacts on the ubuntu touch phone :( [12:25] fps, syncevolution is already installed [12:26] sergiusens: aaah ok :D [12:26] i was confused by askubuntu answers... [12:28] sergiusens: hey, did you get any news from the store guys (if there is any progress) to get gallery-app in? [12:28] didrocks, yeah, needs to be fixed in the store admin interface [12:28] ok, before breaking everything horribly this is the plan then: connect to the device using adb shell [12:28] sergiusens: ok, let's wait for them to be awake I guess to be ready to rock it :) [12:28] didrocks, so I think we just need to wait for beuno to be awake :-) [12:29] yep :) [12:29] I am awake! [12:29] 1] change user to phabet 2] manually run syncevolution to get contacts from my owncloud [12:29] Heh [12:29] is that plan sound? [12:29] beuno: ah great! did you see as well my request about the other framework support? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:30] Hi ogra_ [12:31] I have compiled kernel with CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y [12:31] to enable console logging [12:31] didrocks, yes, can you give me exact strings? :) [12:31] and added cmdline = console=tty0 loglevel=8 in bootimg.cfg [12:31] is that ok [12:32] beuno: ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html-dev1, ubuntu-sdk-14.04-papi-dev1, ubuntu-sdk-14.04-qml-dev1 (but please keep the old one for now until we have everything moved back) [12:32] anil, yes, but it will break the user session [12:33] didrocks, ack [12:33] thx! [12:33] keep us posted on the gallery-app issue so that we can push it [12:33] anil, (the driver on the N10 does not work when fbcon is enabled) [12:35] sorry I could not get ..which driver will not work [12:36] anil, the graphics one [12:37] you will have fbcon and can use the framebuffer ... but the accelerated graphics driver will fall over [12:37] sergiusens, your app should be fixed [12:37] (as i told you last time we talked) [12:38] hmm [12:39] didrocks, and it's ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html-dev1, not ubuntu-sdk-14.04-html5-dev1, [12:39] ogra_ : I dont want accelerated graphics .. normal boot up should happen [12:39] ? [12:39] with graphics [12:39] anil, right, if you dont want to use any graphical stuff it will work [12:40] mterry, shy today ? [12:40] ogra_, :) [12:41] mterry, you got some comments on the usc spinner branch [12:41] :) [12:41] ogra_, oh good, will check [12:41] beuno: that's what colin used (and it seems that's what was agreed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Click/Frameworks) [12:41] seems you actually forgot to add the option :) [12:41] ok .. I am compiling kernel ...let see how it goes [12:41] sergiusens: keep us posted! :) [12:41] didrocks, ack. All done. [12:41] beuno: excellent! thanks a lot [12:42] didrocks, sergiusens's app should stop erroring (sorry about that) [12:42] yesterday, as suggested , to disable lxc container, I created /etc/init/lxc-android-config.override containing manual [12:42] no worry, let's hope everything will be fine, then, we "just" have some minor issues [12:42] it did not work [12:42] ogra_, were you expecting the spinner to work out of the box, or did you manually pass --spinner=... ? [12:43] by your explanation i was expecting to just have to add --spinner ... (without = ) [12:43] which i added to usc-wrapper for testing [12:47] beuno, didrocks just for the FAQ, if this happens again, do we just contact you? [12:47] ogra_, oh sorry. I let you specify the executable (for customization reasons or whatever) [12:48] ogra_, so you need to pass the path [12:48] ogra_, I'll make that clearer in the desc [12:48] ogra_, also for your other question, the design is not coordinated yet. I asked design to look the spinner over, but they haven't gotten back to me [12:48] Method__, so --spinner=/usr/bin/unity-system-compositor-spinner ? [12:48] sergiusens, yes. We're working on making sure it doesn't happen again :) [12:48] err [12:48] mterry, ^^ [12:48] ogra_, yes [12:48] * ogra_ tries [12:49] ogra_, the look of it now is far from perfect. But it's just a placeholder [12:49] beuno, oh, not just this one ;-) we are all troublemakers here :-P [12:49] mterry, yeah, its enough until we get proper design [12:49] ogra_, also, if you are testing without all the other split branches and mir 0.1.7, then spinner will come up, then black screen, then unity8. That's expected [12:49] sergiusens, so anything related to the store, always me [12:49] mterry, ok [12:50] yay ! [12:50] mterry, works fine with the path [12:50] ogra_, awesome [12:56] orgra_ : if we disable lightdm then unity is also disabled [12:56] or not [13:03] yes [13:04] thanks === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === lool- is now known as lool [13:13] popey: are you around? [13:13] m-b-o: i am [13:14] popey: o/ [13:14] I've removed and added icons to the weather app at the weekend, now jenkins refuses to work [13:15] an I haven't found any place to change icon paths [13:15] popey: http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty-weather-app/71/console [13:23] m-b-o: oh [13:25] popey, m-b-o bzr bd should be able to reproduce it; bump the upstream version and try again === w00t_ is now known as w00t [13:29] serguisens popey: hmm, bzr bd seems not to have a problem with the icons [13:29] serguisens: what do you mean with bumping the upstream version? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:08] If I want to install Ubuntu Touch on a a 2012 Nexus 7 (grouper), which channel should I install from? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:11] Rev_DE: it's no longer supported [14:12] Officially, or "It won't run" not supported? [14:13] There are quite a few ports out there [14:17] I also see an image of Trusty for the Grouper here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ === jono is now known as Guest78266 === psivaa_ is now known as psivaa [14:31] Rev_DE, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install Claims to be deprecated but the install insctructions are there [14:32] The flashing tool still works with it [14:33] Rev_DE, currently I'm working on an updated desktop image for grouper (unofficially). I have it up to trusty and am working ona new kernel now === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:48] stgraber, hey ho ... do you remember why we do the dbus session job like we do it atm ? if you look at people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-bootcharts/ubuntu-phablet-trusty-239.png we seem to have certain processes starting tehir own dbuses which indicates the session bus address isnt properly exported to them [14:48] (there are 3 started by other processes ... all of them die at some point) [14:50] (or do i read the bootchart wrongly ?) [14:54] ogra_: it's pretty hard to tell when we don't have the arguments... I know that on the desktop at least we can get up to 3 dbus per session as things like accessibility use their own separate bus [14:54] well, i would expect things to hook into the same session bus inside the same session [14:55] ogra_: that'd make sense but that's not the case for accessibility [14:55] stgraber 2759 0.0 0.0 39464 2096 ? S Mar08 0:01 /bin/dbus-daemon --config-file=/etc/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork --print-address 3 [14:56] stgraber, right, but these arent a11y services [14:56] one is dconf ... which according to desrt only fires up its own daemon if it cant attach to the session bus [14:56] ogra_: now it's not impossible that some of the touch upstart jobs are wrong too, I don't know. dbus starts on "starting xsession-init" which is as early as technically possible. If another job was set on say "starting dbus" or "starting xsession-init", they'd indeed lack the required environment variables [14:56] one is zeitgeist [14:57] and one seems to be indicator-messages [14:57] jibel: hey.. is it easy to run britney locally? [14:57] jibel: lets say i have a package dsc/changes with sources and binaries and want to see if that thing would nicely go in [14:57] jibel: can i dry run that locally? [14:57] ogra_: I really know nothing about the unity8 upstart jobs so I can't help much... I just checked on the desktop and things do appear to be reasonably ordered there [14:57] stgraber, right, though i wonder if the exporting is somewhat racy [14:57] (leaving autopkg tests alone for now) [14:58] ogra_: considering upstart is single threaded, races are not technically possible, unless the start conditions are wrong [14:58] well, we do the exporting from pre and post scripts [14:58] which has race potential [14:59] asac, you can do it but I wouldn't say it is easy because you'd have to modify index files manually [14:59] anyway, if you really suspect a race in upstart rather than broken jobs on your side, I'd suggest talking to jodh [14:59] index = source and binary package lists [14:59] stgraber, well, zeitgeist for example doesnt even have a job === vying is now known as Guest16803 [15:02] ogra_: right, but on the desktop gnome-session itself won't ever start until dbus is fully started, so zeitgeist which is spawned by something that's spawned by gnome-session will have the right environment === jasoncwarner___ is now known as jasoncwarner === bfiller is now known as bfiller_afk [15:03] stgraber, k [15:04] i'll try to track down the chain here [15:11] what's the LP project for ubuntu-location-serviced? [15:14] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dpkg -S /usr/bin/ubuntu-location-serviced [15:14] ubuntu-location-service-bin: /usr/bin/ubuntu-location-serviced [15:14] location-service is the source package [15:14] https://launchpad.net/location-service [15:15] thanks popey === awafaa_ is now known as awafaa === mandel` is now known as mandel [15:41] * ogra_ wonders if he should have a word with cjwatson to not upload click when it has a full blatter ... according to http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-bootcharts/ubuntu-phablet-trusty-239.png it spawns "content-hub-pee" on boot [15:43] ogra_: :-P [15:43] :) [15:44] niemeyer: ping -- was trying to package my go+qml app to include in a ppa, but it complained about not being able to find the qml package in my pbuilder... shouldn't it automatically 'go get' it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7108793/ [15:44] sergiusens: ^ you did some deb packaging with go, right? any ideas? [15:44] cwayne, yes [15:45] cwayne, you don't go get when packaging; you need to first package niemeyer's package and then build depend on it and any other golang package [15:46] ah, i figured i might have to do that, was trying to avoid it though because lazy :) [15:47] cwayne, if it's a temporary thing, import the package's sources locally [15:47] temporary == lazy :-P [15:47] ha [15:48] well im thinking go-qml should definitely be packaged (and probably put into universe) since as there's a competiton for it, people are likely going to want their apps up in ppa's somewhere === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch === bfiller_afk is now known as bfiller [15:57] sergiusens: bah, exactly what i was afraid of, now need to package 'pkg-config' as well i think [15:59] cwayne, well go devs don't necessarily use PPAs or debs [15:59] cwayne, unless it is for packaging [16:00] yeah i know.. just figured itd make sense to have this one packaged.. [16:03] cwayne, for app developers doing click; not really [16:03] if it's something the system would depend on, then yes [16:03] fair enough re: clicks [16:07] tedg, what are your opinions about my last comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/greeter-volume/+merge/209159 ? [16:15] ParkerR: Awesome. I'm flashing it now [16:24] kenvandine: ping [16:24] kenvandine: don't reply it's a trap! [16:24] it's *always* a trap [16:25] * davmor2 screenshots mhall119 last statement and emails it too all the developers :D [16:26] they already know [16:26] gah, I lost 2-finger scrolling after updating [16:27] * kenvandine runs [16:27] what's up mhall119? [16:28] mhall119: check the settings incase they got flipped somehow [16:28] nope [16:28] tedg: can you flip https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/upstart-app-launch/porting/+merge/210385 to rejected and drop it from any landings? we shouldn't need it any more [16:28] kenvandine: hey, regarding a click package for wallpapers, what meta-data would you need? [16:29] tedg: xnox dealt with this a different (and better) way [16:29] sizes could be nice [16:29] but not sure how'd we'd use that info right now [16:29] Rev_DE, it it boots and you just see a black screen touch it a few times [16:29]