| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| MooDoo | morning all | 06:53 |
|---|---|---|
| constrictor | morning | 06:55 |
| jussi | huomenta :) | 06:55 |
| jussi | MooDoo: how was the weekend? (and you are a little late, no? ) | 06:56 |
| MooDoo | jussi: it was fine and yes, I am, normally on a lot earlier lol | 06:56 |
| MooDoo | what about yourself? | 06:56 |
| jussi | not bad, generally relaxing, football team won (Liverpool) what else can I say? :P | 06:57 |
| MooDoo | sounds a good weekend. | 06:58 |
| mapps | morning | 07:01 |
| shauno | o/ | 07:02 |
| mapps | liverpool? pff | 07:02 |
| mapps | i thought you're not even from the uk:) | 07:02 |
| MooDoo | mapps: someone has to support them | 07:03 |
| mapps | :D | 07:03 |
| jussi | mapps: Im not! but why do you htink I hang out in this channel... ? | 07:16 |
| mapps | because you wish you were;] | 07:17 |
| mapps | or the ubuntu-fi chan is empty?:P | 07:17 |
| jussi | mapps: meh, writing finnish is hard. Im actually a misplaced Aussie :P | 07:41 |
| jussi | actually, I hang out here because popey is awesome :P (nah, maybe just because I like you lot) | 07:41 |
| MooDoo | jussi: ok you're crazy | 07:51 |
| MooDoo | ;) | 07:51 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: he's what you get when you mix Finnish and Dutch, I guess? | 07:51 |
| jussi | MooDoo: because I like people here? | 07:51 |
| MartijnVdS | wait, Finnish Dutch AND Aussie | 07:52 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 07:52 |
| MooDoo | jussi: yea of course, we're all nuts ;) | 07:52 |
| Knightwi1e | morning everyone | 08:00 |
| jussi | hrm, what is "unary"? (reading about operator precedence in C) | 08:03 |
| MooDoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unary_operation | 08:06 |
| MooDoo | :p | 08:06 |
| MartijnVdS | jussi: operators with only one operand (things like "not $foo" -> not only acts on one thing) | 08:14 |
| jussi | MartijnVdS: ahh, excellent, thanks | 08:14 |
| popey | Morning | 08:41 |
| MooDoo | morning alan | 08:41 |
| mapps | morning popey | 08:41 |
| mapps | 16 episodes in unde 3 days:D | 08:42 |
| mapps | il be able to finish arrow s1 by thee end of the day hoorah | 08:42 |
| MooDoo | huzzah! | 08:42 |
| dwatkins | I quite like Arrow | 08:44 |
| mapps | where you upto on it | 08:44 |
| MooDoo | I love it | 08:44 |
| dwatkins | I'm very naughty, so am completely up-to-date on Arrow. | 08:45 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: me too shhhh | 08:46 |
| mapps | il be upto date soon:D | 08:46 |
| dwatkins | It's a good month for telly, what with Cosmos, Continuum and Once Upon a Time coming back. | 08:47 |
| mapps | hmm never seen cosmos or continum | 08:47 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:47 |
| MooDoo | continuum is awesome | 08:48 |
| mapps | morning diplo | 08:48 |
| dwatkins | yep http://nancygriffis.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/continuum01.jpg | 08:48 |
| MooDoo | hello diplo | 08:48 |
| diplo | Hasn't continuum been cancelled? | 08:48 |
| mapps | hm | 08:49 |
| dwatkins | not sure, diplo - the wikipedia page just says about renewal for season 3 | 08:49 |
| MooDoo | nope, returned last night in the US didn't it? | 08:49 |
| dwatkins | yep | 08:50 |
| diplo | oh, I'll have to look that up | 08:54 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:14 |
| MooDoo | morning bigcalm | 09:14 |
| mapps | 16 down 17 coming up | 09:17 |
| mapps | :D | 09:17 |
| mapps | gonna finish s1 today then stop | 09:17 |
| shauno | wish the producers had done that :/ | 09:35 |
| mapps | s2 sucks? | 09:38 |
| shauno | s2 couldn't hold my attention. ymmv, of course | 09:39 |
| jussi | I have the S3, its decent.... wait a sec, what are we talking about? :P | 09:39 |
| mapps | s3 lol s2 hasnt finished | 09:40 |
| mapps | :P | 09:40 |
| mapps | silly jussi | 09:40 |
| mapps | tv series..arrow;p | 09:41 |
| mapps | not phones :) | 09:41 |
| jussi | mapps: :D | 09:41 |
| jussi | how do I figure out which FS is being used and $usb_HDD | 09:42 |
| jussi | ? | 09:42 |
| mapps | what do you mean ? fdisk will show u the fs? | 09:44 |
| jussi | mapps: be more precise... | 09:45 |
| mapps | fdisk /dev/sdxX and then fdisk will show you the fs | 09:45 |
| mapps | if you dont know th device could check dmesg | 09:46 |
| mapps | but what did you mean by $usb_HDD whys it a variabl | 09:46 |
| foobarry | type mount | 09:46 |
| mapps | yea that too | 09:46 |
| mapps | i like fdisk ;[ mount output is messy | 09:47 |
| jussi | hrm | 09:47 |
| jussi | now this is strange... | 09:47 |
| mapps | >? | 09:48 |
| shauno | I'm a sucker for abusing 'file' in such situations. file -s /dev/sd* gives a surprisingly useful amount of info about most fs | 09:48 |
| jussi | from fdisk... | 09:48 |
| jussi | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System | 09:48 |
| jussi | /dev/sdb1 63 488392064 244196001 b W95 FAT32 | 09:48 |
| jussi | from mount | 09:48 |
| jussi | /dev/sdb1 on /media/jussi/LaCie type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2) | 09:48 |
| jussi | wot? | 09:48 |
| diplo | Something in fstab trying to mount as ext3 maybe ? | 09:49 |
| mapps | fat32 | 09:49 |
| shauno | it could quite easily be ext3. buy a disk that comes formatted as fat32, mkfs it because it's not 1998 anymore, et voila. | 09:50 |
| jussi | shauno: that is precisely what I remember to have done, but wanted to confirm. (was sometime back). now IM confuzzled | 09:50 |
| mapps | id have thought itd be ntfs if a big sized usb hdd | 09:50 |
| shauno | mkfs won't change the partition structure | 09:51 |
| mapps | yea | 09:51 |
| mapps | i know | 09:51 |
| mapps | :) | 09:51 |
| * jussi gets over it and guesses ext3, then goes back to failing to learn to code in C. | 09:52 | |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:56 |
| MooDoo | morning | 10:02 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 10:02 |
| bashrc_ | monday morning... | 10:09 |
| MooDoo | bashrc_: correct 1 point ;) | 10:09 |
| === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk | ||
| bigcalm | Is now a good time to do this? | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | !rat | 10:28 |
| lubotu3 | rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/ | 10:28 |
| popey | \o/ | 10:28 |
| popey | ticket booked | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Woot | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | popey: did you get an error after paying with paypal? | 10:30 |
| popey | no, i got a "press button to complete purchase" with no button | 10:30 |
| popey | but got the confirmation mail anyway | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | Nice | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | Dave2 and I both got PHP errors :) | 10:31 |
| popey | sweet | 10:31 |
| bigcalm | But we also got confirmation emails | 10:31 |
| jussi | it got cold again here :/ | 10:31 |
| jussi | we had like +10 degrees just the other day, now its -15 again :/ | 10:31 |
| bigcalm | Crazy Finnish weather | 10:32 |
| brobostigon | yes, it was 17c here yesterday. | 10:32 |
| jussi | Ive a random question for all those here who drive... what "electronic" peice would you most like to see in your car? | 10:32 |
| brobostigon | peice ? | 10:32 |
| Myrtti | coffeemaker. | 10:33 |
| diplo | Sound/Video system, so I can hook up kids screens and music for front end, it's on my todo list this year hopefully | 10:33 |
| shauno | autopilot | 10:33 |
| popey | I dont spend long enought in my car to care | 10:34 |
| jussi | Myrtti: :D | 10:34 |
| popey | my car can go for a week or two without being used | 10:34 |
| bigcalm | I had an DAB radio added to my car, so I have everything that I need | 10:34 |
| bigcalm | popey: the good/bad of working from home | 10:34 |
| jussi | ok, so now, think about it this way. forget the entertainment system. what else would be nice? | 10:35 |
| shauno | I'm not sure I want 'driverless' to be mandatory, but haven fallen asleep with cruise control on before, I can see the use as an option | 10:35 |
| brobostigon | i would probably setup my nexus7 on the dash, like a kind of hud. | 10:35 |
| popey | i nearly fell asleep in the car, pulled over into services, stopped the car in the car park, seat back arms back, sleep... | 10:36 |
| popey | woke 30 mins later and thought my arms had been severed, they'd gone to sleep behind my head | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | I'd like cruse control to be removed from cars. My car has that and a speed limiter setting. Set the speed I want, get my foot into a comfortable position and that's all I need | 10:36 |
| brobostigon | lol | 10:36 |
| jussi | popey: hahah, Ive done that also | 10:36 |
| dwatkins | I've spent in morotway services before, a powernap at 6am prior to heading to work on the way back from Edinburgh to Reading. | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | I've also nearly fallen asleep while driving back from Farnham. Very glad I found a sort of layby in the woods to have a nap | 10:37 |
| popey | i saw "layby" as "lady" | 10:37 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 10:37 |
| shauno | this was in the states. cruise control, no corners, 20hr round trip to go to a funeral the next state over ... so many bad choices | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | It was the gate area for a BT or electric building thing. That and it being a Sunday, I could have stayed there all day | 10:38 |
| popey | I was playing quite a bit of OpenSpades at the weekend | 10:38 |
| popey | That game is _awesome_ | 10:38 |
| popey | you would like it bigcalm | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | popey: any screen shots? | 10:38 |
| popey | sure | 10:39 |
| popey | lemme fire it up and get better ones than the ones I previously took | 10:39 |
| jussi | aww, no alanbell this morning? | 10:39 |
| bigcalm | Okay :) | 10:39 |
| mapps | hmm | 10:43 |
| mapps | i was trying linux mint in virtual box and its freezing after i select boot | 10:43 |
| bigcalm | It wants you to stay with Ubuntu | 10:44 |
| popey | bigcalm: http://imgur.com/YL1xeAU,wDwuQ2T,KoX79pb,AeCiBXM,B0yKgFU,B0V53JW,RUF94kc,rVEfpEO,JGqeKea,f74StGy,zE81avw,pE1YMsB | 10:47 |
| popey | you can build and destroy, but buildings have physics, so if you take out the bottom of a building, it falls over | 10:47 |
| popey | see pic 2 for a building in mid collapse | 10:47 |
| popey | and #9 for a tree in mid collapse ☻ | 10:48 |
| mapps | i just wanted to try it not switching to lm:) | 10:48 |
| jussi | popey: damn you and your fun games! :P | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | popey: most interesting :) | 10:49 |
| popey | I'd not heard of it before friday | 10:49 |
| popey | apparently it's an open source implementation of Ace Of Spades | 10:49 |
| bigcalm | Lemmy is a coder now? | 10:49 |
| popey | ☻ | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | Humm. As Hayley isn't with me for the RAT. Do I still book the Monday off and drive back then, or just come home on the Sunday? | 10:51 |
| foobarry | native or wine atm? | 10:52 |
| foobarry | trying to boot a sun server running linux.. | 10:53 |
| foobarry | root (hd1,0) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 | 10:53 |
| foobarry | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-308.8.2.el5 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet | 10:53 |
| foobarry | crashkernel=128M@16M | 10:53 |
| foobarry | �� | 10:53 |
| foobarry | last thing i see on the console. any ideas | 10:53 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:56 |
| dwatkins | does it actually have a volume group to boot from, foobarry? Sounds like it's a display problem - parhaps the OS actually does boot - can you ssh into it, ping it etc.? | 10:57 |
| dwatkins | in my experience, linux on Sun or SGI hardware tends to have issues with displaying much more than the console. | 10:57 |
| foobarry | dwatkins: can't ping :( | 10:59 |
| foobarry | but the redirection might not be working properly | 10:59 |
| foobarry | and i'm not physically at screen | 10:59 |
| dwatkins | you might need to add a boot option to have it output to the console somewhere | 11:00 |
| jussi | wow, that was fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3vTjhu35hk | 11:01 |
| MooDoo | | count(*) | | 11:06 |
| MooDoo | +----------+ | 11:06 |
| MooDoo | I hate right click in irssi | 11:07 |
| jussi | hehe | 11:07 |
| dwatkins | mine asks if I want to paste. | 11:07 |
| foobarry | i'm scared to try | 11:07 |
| foobarry | me too | 11:08 |
| foobarry | middle click pastes | 11:08 |
| foobarry | pipe 5 | 11:08 |
| foobarry | phew | 11:08 |
| mapps | sweet | 11:08 |
| bigcalm | jussi: wow | 11:08 |
| dwatkins | paste_verify_line_count = 5 | 11:08 |
| dwatkins | Ask you whether you meant to paste something if it's longer than this many lines. | 11:08 |
| mapps | my firefox os phgone arrived | 11:08 |
| dwatkins | paste_detect_time = 5msecs | 11:09 |
| dwatkins | Irssi will detect pastes when your input has less than this much time between lines. | 11:09 |
| dwatkins | those should help. http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings | 11:09 |
| jussi | bigcalm: pretty amazing, right? | 11:09 |
| bigcalm | jussi: cheeky | 11:09 |
| jussi | bigcalm: bet you didnt see the volvo coming back like that... :D | 11:10 |
| foobarry | i knew he would | 11:11 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: this double screensaver thing is starting to become annoying :) | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: indeed | 11:11 |
| foobarry | coming home on m25 last night. silver merc in outside lane driving at <65 , occasionally tapping brakes with clear road in front | 11:12 |
| foobarry | broke the whole motorway system | 11:12 |
| bigcalm | jussi: I thought he had the edge before the commentators saw it. But, no, not expected | 11:12 |
| foobarry | middle lane was undertaking because you couldn't do much else , and outside lane bunched up, and waiting to undertake | 11:13 |
| bigcalm | I love it when the hard shoulder on the M6 is opened up due to congestion. It means I get to under take everybody because so few will actually use the extra lane | 11:14 |
| foobarry | higher risk of punctures on hard shoulder | 11:14 |
| bigcalm | True | 11:15 |
| bigcalm | I think they keep it pretty clear though | 11:15 |
| foobarry | changed my headlmap bulb at weekend. although it took 15 mins, the effort involved iis ridiculous | 11:16 |
| foobarry | i'd rather change a keyboard in a laptop | 11:16 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 11:17 |
| bigcalm | I have to take a number 10 spanner to my wife's headlamps to get inside the light cluster. Most annoying | 11:17 |
| foobarry | fnar fnar | 11:18 |
| foobarry | wife's headlamps | 11:18 |
| bigcalm | "wife's headlamps" is not a euphemism :P | 11:18 |
| bigcalm | Damn, beat me to it | 11:18 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: what car | 11:19 |
| bigcalm | Limbo OST is on Spotify \o/ http://open.spotify.com/user/bigcalm/playlist/2Y6BmbitkuJ7GcJxofKvSh | 11:19 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: Hyundai Matrix | 11:19 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: oh well if she will go and buy these cars that aren't french :D | 11:20 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 11:22 |
| dvrr | good morning everyone | 11:23 |
| MooDoo | morning | 11:23 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: have you had to change a bulb in the back of the 407 is yours light box a pain in the neck to remove? | 11:27 |
| shauno | bank holiday shift .. taking the chance to get stuck into st:voyager :) | 11:28 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I've yet to have to change any of the rear lights. Odd now that you mention it | 11:28 |
| MooDoo | shauno: oooo | 11:28 |
| foobarry | irish get a bank hol to go drinking? | 11:29 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: they really are a pain to remove good luck when you do ;) | 11:29 |
| shauno | some shows are best watched at work, because I still have 4:3 monitors | 11:29 |
| shauno | foobarry: it's the national holiday. most countries take such as days off. the UK is just odd for not having one | 11:29 |
| mapps | hmm | 11:30 |
| mapps | time to do some rowing | 11:30 |
| mapps | row row row the boat | 11:30 |
| mapps | :D | 11:30 |
| foobarry | i could have done with today off. weekend was too busy | 11:30 |
| shauno | oh I'm not off. just much lazier because no-one else is here | 11:31 |
| bigcalm | shauno: don't work from home then | 11:32 |
| shauno | nope :( but still not sure I'd have the discipline for that | 11:32 |
| bigcalm | shauno: if you ever do, I suggest watching a short video by Michel and Webb | 11:33 |
| bigcalm | Erm, Mitchell & Webb | 11:34 |
| davmor2 | shauno: it's fine if you have a dedicated office. That is then then work room effectively, outside of that room you are at home inside you are at the office ;) | 11:37 |
| popey | ooh https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co | 11:42 |
| davmor2 | popey, bigcalm, MartijnVdS: do you guys remember a game called chaos engine? that was a fun game :) | 11:47 |
| popey | nope | 11:48 |
| davmor2 | wow according to wikipedia it was published for linux too | 11:48 |
| davmor2 | popey: it's another microprose game I had it on the amiga | 11:48 |
| popey | i was too poor to have an amiga ☻ | 11:49 |
| davmor2 | popey: I only had an amiga second hand from a friend when they moved onto the pc :) | 11:50 |
| shauno | more fool them, amiga>pc! (for certain timeframes) | 11:52 |
| davmor2 | oh it's in steam | 11:54 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: no | 12:32 |
| bigcalm | I had a BBC Micro -> Acorn Archimedes -> PC. Didn't get to play many fun games | 12:33 |
| MartijnVdS | lots of AMAZING spreadsheets though | 12:34 |
| Dave2 | BBC Micro had plenty of fun games | 12:36 |
| Dave2 | And with the Archimedes you were part of the future, running the first ARM processor. That's clearly worth more than some games. | 12:36 |
| popey | speaking of which... | 12:38 |
| popey | https://archive.org/details/computermagazines | 12:39 |
| * bigcalm drags himself out of the time eating hole | 12:42 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: and yet you are still on the internet :P | 12:48 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: wouldn't have a job without it :) | 12:48 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: hahaha | 12:48 |
| mapps | hmm hope they dont take too long with my passport/eject it | 12:49 |
| MartijnVdS | mapps: what are you doing with it? | 12:49 |
| mapps | enewing it | 12:49 |
| mapps | but | 12:49 |
| mapps | well | 12:49 |
| MartijnVdS | mapps: your "r" seems broken | 12:50 |
| MartijnVdS | ish | 12:50 |
| mapps | replacing i lost it at manchester airport after holland;( | 12:50 |
| mapps | but thing is...it says to send 2 photos and they can be a minimum of x by y ..so i cut mine and theyre a bit bigger than the guideline dimensions | 12:50 |
| mapps | im hoping they cut them to size ..it just specified a min..i kept within that | 12:50 |
| MartijnVdS | mapps: here, we have to go to special certified passport photogs | 12:51 |
| MartijnVdS | mapps: who give you a set that will work (or your money back/a free replacement) | 12:51 |
| mapps | i got them done at the photo machine but it prints 5 in a block so u cut them out..and i did but yea i just cut the white and made sure its not below the min - so i figure should be ok? | 12:51 |
| mapps | sounded like aslong as they aent too small its fine..to big o too much white and they can cut down? | 12:52 |
| mapps | well i hope so anyway | 12:52 |
| jussi | mapps: usually they have a overlay for size/head size etc | 12:52 |
| mapps | yea , thats what iu thought so its just dont make them smaller than this size | 12:53 |
| mapps | bit bigger is oke | 12:53 |
| jussi | I thought the other way.... | 12:53 |
| mapps | but it says a mnimum surely itd say a maximum else | 12:53 |
| mapps | gonna try and go to 4 euro places spain/germany/ and dunno paris and somewhere wanna see Bacelona v someone..cant remember who ..but tickets are 160 euros!!! | 12:54 |
| mapps | 160 euros is outrageous | 12:54 |
| mapps | its like 50 quid for a prem game..paid 40 euros to see Utrecht | 12:56 |
| mapps | but i guess barcelona have a huge following | 12:56 |
| jussi | barca is really expensive to go see | 12:58 |
| jussi | I tried last time I was there | 12:58 |
| jussi | Nou camp is an amazing place, shame it was so damn expensive that I didnt get to go | 12:58 |
| mapps | you can go on a tour round it | 13:01 |
| mapps | is that also expensive? | 13:01 |
| mapps | bayern was expensive too..looked at Bayern Munich v Dortmund i think that was 80 euros? way more than i expected | 13:01 |
| mapps | the flights are cheaper! | 13:01 |
| mapps | just feels like you're being totally ripped off when its that expensive | 13:02 |
| mapps | ive heard paris is really really expensive too | 13:03 |
| jussi | mapps: Marseille is for you IMHO. | 13:03 |
| jussi | decent team, decent prices | 13:03 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| mapps | the area isnt a ripoff too? | 13:06 |
| mapps | where have you been to around europe? | 13:06 |
| jussi | mapps: too many places to list, including germany, austria, belgium, france, italy, spain, Uk Finland, sweden, Estonia..... and more | 13:09 |
| shauno | scandanavia looks really expensive :/ | 13:10 |
| jussi | shauno: it can be... depends how you go about it | 13:11 |
| foobarry | 5,286,940k .. what chrome is using | 13:19 |
| foobarry | what does background app mean? gmail is using 1.5gb | 13:24 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: in which context | 13:25 |
| mapps | yea ive heard denmark etc cost a fortune | 13:25 |
| foobarry | about:memory | 13:25 |
| foobarry | list of tabs | 13:26 |
| foobarry | it had a pid which i killed and chrome popped up a balloon | 13:26 |
| foobarry | but unsure how to close background apps | 13:26 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1184722?hl=en | 13:26 |
| foobarry | thx. | 13:28 |
| foobarry | 1gb a tad exesssive | 13:28 |
| foobarry | 1.5gb | 13:28 |
| MartijnVdS | why? | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | It's a full-featured email client, contact manager and task list management app | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | with a fair bit of your mail pre-cached | 13:32 |
| foobarry | thunderbird is using a lot less | 13:32 |
| shauno | not sure I'd call thunderbird full-featured :/ | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: it may not have cached as much -- disk access is orders of magnitude faster than web access | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: also, Tbird *eats* RAM usually, like firefox | 13:35 |
| foobarry | adblock is chomping 200M too | 13:41 |
| popey | 4862 alan 20 0 3190216 1.172g 45824 S 9.3 7.5 192:50.11 chromium-browse | 13:43 |
| popey | tweetdeck | 13:44 |
| MartijnVdS | is it all in use though | 13:44 |
| MartijnVdS | or is it just the malloc()ed bit | 13:44 |
| MartijnVdS | some of it never touched | 13:44 |
| foobarry | mine was, that was the prob | 13:44 |
| foobarry | used all my 8gb RAM and 4GB swap | 13:44 |
| popey | i just closed the tab and re-opened it | 13:44 |
| foobarry | most of it chrome | 13:44 |
| foobarry | popey: is it a bground task? | 13:45 |
| popey | how can you tell? | 13:45 |
| popey | killed G+ too and re-opened, better | 13:45 |
| popey | now I'm just left with the main browser process eating | 13:46 |
| popey | 4715 alan 20 0 3630952 540008 45736 S 2.0 3.3 436:29.88 chromium-browse | 13:46 |
| foobarry | task manager in settings says "background task" | 13:46 |
| popey | no idea what task manager that is | 13:46 |
| foobarry | sorry, chrome - settings | 13:47 |
| foobarry | similar from (ium too | 13:47 |
| popey | i have no task manager in settings in chromium | 13:47 |
| foobarry | under tools -> | 13:47 |
| foobarry | shift escape | 13:47 |
| popey | aha, tools, not settings | 13:48 |
| popey | none are background | 13:49 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| === TREllis_ is now known as TREllis | ||
| === TwistedLucidity is now known as ZenCart4Eva | ||
| === ZenCart4Eva is now known as TwsitedLucidity | ||
| bigcalm | What's missing from this list? http://www.onenote.com/ :( | 15:35 |
| nigelb | Well, it *is* a microsoft product... | 15:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | google keep works OK for me. | 15:36 |
| bigcalm | All devices is a lie | 15:37 |
| bigcalm | !rat | TheOpenSourcerer | 15:37 |
| lubotu3 | TheOpenSourcerer: rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/ | 15:37 |
| bigcalm | ;) | 15:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Cool - Thanks bigcalm | 15:38 |
| * bigcalm tickles czajkowski | 15:40 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Booked :-D | 15:43 |
| popey | \o/ | 15:44 |
| bigcalm | Yay :) | 15:45 |
| bigcalm | Whom else do we need to tickle about this? | 15:45 |
| popey | yay, my Stallboard app is live in the store | 15:46 |
| davmor2 | popey: is this the amazon swindle one or another one? | 15:47 |
| popey | wat wat | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | Is there a website that lists ut apps? | 15:49 |
| mapps | 2nd aug is ages away! | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | mapps: you have to book it early, it's a popular event | 15:49 |
| mapps | ah | 15:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | bigcalm: Wack it on the Ubuntu community on G+ and/or Twitter. The more the merrier as far I'm concerned | 15:50 |
| mapps | i thought just about booking time off for wok | 15:50 |
| mapps | work | 15:50 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: I'm surprised that nobody has retweeted me :( | 15:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ah - when did you tweet it then? | 15:51 |
| bigcalm | https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/445267305950629888 | 15:51 |
| bigcalm | Yesterday afternoon | 15:51 |
| jussi | TheOpenSourcerer: do you know where alanbell is atm? he is normally always online... | 15:51 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | jussi: He was in the office this morning. I'm at home today waiting for Travis Perkins | 15:52 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 0844 3576000 | 15:52 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Should probably still be there | 15:52 |
| jussi | yeah, thanks | 15:53 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: ta for the tweet | 15:53 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | np | 15:54 |
| jussi | I think I should repeat this here also, as you might all get a laugh... | 15:59 |
| jussi | saw soemthing funny on FB today.... " this was my 9th date with my girlfriend and we went to see batman. The current date history goes like this: Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Batman" | 15:59 |
| mapps | lol | 16:00 |
| ball | It's time to install NetBSD 6.1.3 on this laptop's new hard disk. | 16:00 |
| ball | (the old disk failed) | 16:00 |
| ball | oops, that's completely meant for another channel. | 16:00 |
| Dave2 | you're not allowed to talk about non-ubuntu in here | 16:02 |
| Dave2 | it ruins the atmosphere | 16:02 |
| ball | It makes me happy that one of my colleagues has an Ubuntu Server book on his desk. | 16:03 |
| mapps | haha | 16:03 |
| mapps | :) | 16:03 |
| davmor2 | ball: that's only any good if he uses it :) | 16:04 |
| ball | I should ask him whether he has an Ubuntu Server VM somewhere. | 16:05 |
| BigRedS | is netbsd somewhere near workable as a desktop now? | 16:06 |
| mapps | i thought openbsd and netbsd are just for servers | 16:08 |
| ball | BigRedS: I've started fights in #netbsd before by asserting that it's essentially a server OS. | 16:09 |
| ball | You can run desktops on it but people expect things from a desktop OS that NetBSD doesn't usually provide. | 16:10 |
| ball | (e.g. WiFi, Adobe Flash etc.) | 16:10 |
| BigRedS | ball: yeah, like it always was :) | 16:11 |
| BigRedS | There was a bsd-for-the-desktop distro (pc-bsd?) and I wondered if any of the other bsds had taken it upon themselves to more completely package a desktop | 16:11 |
| BigRedS | I've not really looked at bsd since it was only a little bit less desktop friendly than linux | 16:12 |
| ball | BigRedS: It's interesting that PC-BSD exists but I don't think the NetBSD people feel any great pressure to replicate that. | 16:12 |
| BigRedS | Ah, I meant take-the-best-bits rather than rework. But, yeah, it's never really been much of a focus for any bsd | 16:13 |
| ball | I like Xubuntu for desktops and BSD for servers (or unix if it's bigger than a PC server can handle comfortably). | 16:13 |
| BigRedS | XFCE and BSD? You're that fond of the '90s? :) | 16:13 |
| ball | BigRedS: Xfce4 seems less broken than Unity. | 16:14 |
| ball | ...and there's less of a learning curve for XP users. | 16:14 |
| diddledan | http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-%20broadband-race-in-1990-1224784 | 16:14 |
| BigRedS | Oh, of course. But Unity's basically now an illustration of JWZ's CADT more than an attempt at a workable desktop I think | 16:15 |
| diddledan | yey for non-technical folk making technical decisions | 16:15 |
| BigRedS | which might just be me being interested in all the 'wrong' sorts of bug @) | 16:15 |
| ball | I don't know what a JWZ or CADT is. | 16:15 |
| BigRedS | jwz is an angry ex-mozilla developer who now runs a nightclub | 16:15 |
| BigRedS | er, ex-netscape | 16:15 |
| BigRedS | http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html | 16:16 |
| ball | I try Ubuntu about once every year to see whether they've fixed Unity. | 16:16 |
| ball | ...then I go back to Xubuntu. | 16:16 |
| foobarry | elementary ftw | 16:17 |
| BigRedS | haha, I use Unity at work and it's fairly usable. I've crunchbang on my laptop because fluxbox hasn't broken indicators | 16:17 |
| BigRedS | and, basically, the three things I require from my DE are working alerts when I get IMs, multiple workspaces and alt-tab | 16:17 |
| ball | I tend to use Blackbox on NetBSD, though I've used Xfce4 there experimentally too. | 16:17 |
| ball | I don't think I've ever got Gnome to work there and KDE is of no interest to me. | 16:18 |
| BigRedS | I used to use vanilla *box but I could never be arsed to configure it | 16:18 |
| BigRedS | haha, I did a try-all-the-DEs as gnome 2.x's EOL was announced | 16:18 |
| BigRedS | and realised that most are/were horrendous | 16:19 |
| ball | BigRedS: On mine it's just a single flat text file to edit to fix everyone's menu. | 16:19 |
| ball | Customised menus might be more difficult but that hasn't come up. | 16:19 |
| BigRedS | my biggest problem was my laziness meaning I didn't have a working 'shutdown' button | 16:20 |
| BigRedS | so I'd just use the shell. And sometimes I'd use the wrong shell and enter 'poweroff' into an ssh session | 16:20 |
| ball | Ouch. Yes, you'd want to be careful with that, especially on a shared host. | 16:23 |
| daftykins | XD | 16:25 |
| ball | Thinking about it that was on my list of things to check: how to grey out the Shutdown button | 16:25 |
| hazrpg | ball: doh, I missed something, be careful with what? | 16:25 |
| ball | (on Xfce) | 16:25 |
| mapps | i use xfce or lxde | 16:27 |
| mapps | umm | 16:28 |
| shauno | I'll never figure out why amazon refuse to deliver so many products from uk to ireland :/ | 16:28 |
| mapps | ball why is bsd better for servers than linux? sorry if its obvious | 16:28 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qxle0wmyrqksxx/IMG_20140317_161101.jpg | 16:30 |
| daftykins | setting this up today :> | 16:30 |
| daftykins | Lenovo X240 - i5-4300U based \o/ | 16:30 |
| davmor2 | shauno: have you ever thought that they might just hate you? | 16:30 |
| MooDoo | afternoon all | 16:30 |
| shauno | it's crossed my mind more than once | 16:30 |
| daftykins | shauno: lots of stuff won't come to the Channel Islands either, such as if it contains a battery | 16:30 |
| daftykins | i can't buy UPSs from amazon =| | 16:31 |
| davmor2 | shauno: Possibly and issue with customs difference maybe? | 16:31 |
| shauno | right now, it's soldering iron tips. they're either shipping from china in ~3 weeks, or they're mainland sellers that can't ship to ireland | 16:31 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: me owld mucka | 16:31 |
| mapps | or anyone that has an answer | 16:32 |
| ball | mapps: It's better for me on servers than Linux because I don't know how to use Linux. | 16:32 |
| ball | I mean, I can poke my way around on Xubuntu as a desktop but I'm lost when I have to use a Linux server. | 16:33 |
| ball | I should probably buy a book or something. | 16:33 |
| daftykins | just do what i did, give yourself a server orientated task to learn, then get cracking | 16:34 |
| daftykins | you'll catch on pretty quick if you're comfortable on the command line and good with file management | 16:34 |
| daftykins | my #1 task was to play with setting up a web server from home | 16:34 |
| shauno | on the other hand, bsd is near-useless for me on servers for exactly the same reason :) | 16:34 |
| ball | daftykins: I would but I'm usually too busy. | 16:34 |
| daftykins | ah | 16:34 |
| ball | daftykins: Are you in the Channel Islands? | 16:34 |
| daftykins | yes sir, Guernsey | 16:35 |
| ball | I loved Guernsey | 16:35 |
| daftykins | an island which has a retarded government about to introduce a tax similar to VAT | 16:35 |
| daftykins | *commences high volume obscenity screaming toward the States of Guernsey* | 16:35 |
| ball | I've been there a few times, the first when I was twelve and sailed from Dartmouth to St. Peter Port in a Force 9 gale. | 16:35 |
| MooDoo | daftykins: you suck ;) | 16:35 |
| daftykins | MooDoo: D: | 16:36 |
| ball | daftykins: Will it be 25%? | 16:36 |
| daftykins | ball: :D nice | 16:36 |
| daftykins | nah 5% | 16:36 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: man another reason not to go :D | 16:36 |
| ball | daftykins: That's not too bad then. | 16:36 |
| daftykins | but the thing is, we have access to a direct case study of how good it is to implement - over on Jersey that've had it since ~2007 - they *regret* it | 16:36 |
| daftykins | it's going to cost as much to implement and run as the tax brings in | 16:37 |
| daftykins | i'm so livid about their level of idiocy i might have to take one of diddledan's sedatives | 16:37 |
| daftykins | anyway hardly channel topic - so i shall hush :) | 16:37 |
| ball | I should probably do the same about BSD then. | 16:41 |
| daftykins | nah that's as close to on-topic as we ever get :D | 16:42 |
| diddledan | BSD is pretty decent | 16:42 |
| ball | ...except to say that the FreeBSD people would probably cite ZFS as an advantage of FreeBSD on servers. I haven't used FreeBSD in recent years so I can't vouch for that myself. | 16:42 |
| ball | ...but I'm aware of ZFS as a potentially useful thing for file servers. | 16:42 |
| mapps | ahh ok thanks ball i just wondered im sure ive heard people say how bsd is better as servers but beyond the you know bsd and not linux ..wonder what other reasons | 16:42 |
| diddledan | ZFS is supposedly the saviour of all mankind | 16:42 |
| mapps | i tried freebsd many years back on like a p166 so that tells you how long ago | 16:43 |
| ball | mapps: Stability perhaps. | 16:43 |
| shauno | personally, I think there's a default assumption that bsd must be for servers because you'd be crazy to use it for anything else | 16:43 |
| ball | shauno may have a point. | 16:43 |
| ball | brb, moar coffee/ | 16:43 |
| diddledan | if you only use the ports system then bsd on the server is no more friendly than gentoo | 16:44 |
| diddledan | compile all the things | 16:44 |
| diddledan | luckily they do make binpkgs of some stuff | 16:44 |
| diddledan | but pfsense and freenas are pretty awesome variants | 16:46 |
| mapps | thanks | 16:47 |
| diddledan | it annoys me, however, that pfsense can't do failover unless you have multiple public ip addresses and the two systems' public interfaces somehow tied to one-another | 16:47 |
| mapps | hm heard of ports dunno what it is | 16:48 |
| mapps | not easier than compiling by source? | 16:48 |
| ball | The ports collection is what FreeBSD and perhaps OpenBSD call their collection of packages. | 16:50 |
| ball | NetBSD call theirs pkgsrc. | 16:50 |
| ball | (though pkgsrc is designed to be portable to other systems) | 16:50 |
| ball | I build packages from source because pkgsrc makes that easy, if not exactly quick. | 16:51 |
| ball | There are binary packages too but I think they're more awkward to use. | 16:51 |
| ball | hello ahayzen | 16:56 |
| ahayzen | ball, o/ | 16:57 |
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| mapps | ugh | 17:53 |
| mapps | boring walk to the supermarket done | 17:53 |
| mapps | ;] | 17:53 |
| mapps | ball so if ports is fbsds package system isnt that easier than from source | 17:54 |
| ball | Possibly on FreeBSD. I don't use that so I couldn't say. | 17:55 |
| mapps | ah ok sorry | 17:55 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| mapps | so will there be anything good on tv tonight | 18:02 |
| mapps | i say...unlikely | 18:02 |
| daftykins | heh, TV good | 18:03 |
| daftykins | silly mapps ;) | 18:03 |
| mapps | :) | 18:04 |
| daftykins | i'm really enjoying House of Cards so far | 18:04 |
| daftykins | that netflix series with Kevin Spacey | 18:04 |
| ball | Is that an American remake of the U.K. one? | 18:22 |
| diddledan | ball: yes | 18:23 |
| davmor2 | so not as good then /me dives in the bunker | 18:25 |
| ball | davmor2: That's usually the way. | 18:27 |
| daftykins | well, it's spun out longer, as is tradition for US TV | 18:30 |
| daftykins | *but* it's sufficiently not about US politics that even i'm enjoying it | 18:30 |
| daftykins | so it can't be bad :D | 18:30 |
| daftykins | not seen the original UK version | 18:31 |
| ball | Fortunately the local PBS stations play quite a bit of U.K. telly. | 18:37 |
| ball | Not that I watch much telly. | 18:38 |
| daftykins | :) | 18:41 |
| mapps | not seen either | 18:44 |
| mapps | how far through are you daftykins | 18:44 |
| mapps | heard it is mad good yea - thats on my list to watch sometime..i tend to go through loadsa eps at once | 18:45 |
| daftykins | mapps: only about a third of season 1 | 18:45 |
| mapps | il have done arrow s1 soon..23 eps in 3-4days;p | 18:45 |
| mapps | aha | 18:45 |
| ali1234 | is there a quick way to delete a lot of spam tweets after hackers steal your twitter password? | 19:01 |
| mapps | hmm | 19:02 |
| mapps | not as far as im aware not though the site anyway 3d party app ..maybe | 19:03 |
| daftykins | ali1234: have you been scuppered? D: | 19:04 |
| ali1234 | no, i don't use twitter | 19:05 |
| directhex | # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 7 commits. | 19:05 |
| daftykins | directhex: the artist formerly known as ye olde steamose? | 19:07 |
| directhex | daftykins, yes! | 19:07 |
| daftykins | :O | 19:07 |
| directhex | commit 639a6cad7f18d13d60c96911ddfc518b6c1dbe00 | 19:08 |
| directhex | Author: Jo Shields <directhex@apebox.org> | 19:08 |
| directhex | Date: Mon Mar 17 18:55:54 2014 +0000 | 19:08 |
| directhex | Ye Olde SteamOSe is now XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Rename references in gen.sh | 19:08 |
| directhex | am preparing one mega git push | 19:09 |
| directhex | will likely be on wednesday at this rate | 19:09 |
| daftykins | hehehe | 19:09 |
| directhex | release plan 1: prepare an installer which works *great* on dmraid (for dual-booting properly with windows raid users) | 19:11 |
| directhex | release plan 2: prepare new website | 19:11 |
| directhex | release plan 3: begin seeding via trusted seeder network | 19:11 |
| directhex | release plan 4: record a series(!) of tutorial videos, making XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX the best documented way to install SteamOS | 19:12 |
| directhex | release plan 5: git push --all | 19:12 |
| directhex | release plan 6: announce | 19:12 |
| directhex | also, amend #1 to include "works on radeon 4000 series" | 19:12 |
| directhex | 1 is totally blocked right now on real test hardware | 19:13 |
| directhex | so i'm gonna work on 2 until then | 19:14 |
| * popey wonders what the ATI card he has is | 19:14 | |
| directhex | maybe even pieces of 4 aren't blocking | 19:15 |
| popey | well, i cant even find the amazon or ebuyer order I thought I had got it from | 19:18 |
| directhex | i ordered one off ebay | 19:19 |
| popey | suppose i could turn this pc on and find out | 19:19 |
| directhex | i've basically spent every penny of YOS donations, plus £5 of my own money, on my test bed | 19:19 |
| daftykins | hehe | 19:22 |
| daftykins | that's dedication! | 19:22 |
| daftykins | off to eat and what not, ttfn \o | 19:23 |
| directhex | should be getting a bunch of it tomorrow | 19:24 |
| mapps | hm | 19:26 |
| mapps | the twins from the following well the 1 guy that plays both | 19:26 |
| mapps | from same place as me and went to the same school! | 19:26 |
| mapps | didnt know him..prob 3-4yrs younger | 19:26 |
| mapps | still kinda neat | 19:26 |
| directhex | case/psu should arrive tomorrow from scan, according to txt from dpd | 19:29 |
| === ball is now known as Guest18107 | ||
| mapps | what you building | 19:30 |
| === Guest18107 is now known as lopta | ||
| directhex | mapps, an old pc | 19:31 |
| directhex | radeon should show up tomorrow too, rmsd | 19:32 |
| directhex | mobo/cpu/ram are in myhermes limbo right now, so glob knows when they'll show | 19:32 |
| directhex | i lied btw, it's mostly mono money not steamos money | 19:56 |
| popey | haha, i just booted my old pc with the ati card | 20:07 |
| popey | boots into ye olde steam os | 20:08 |
| popey | not used this in a while! | 20:08 |
| popey | hm, whats the username /password for the desktop account? | 20:08 |
| popey | ah yes, desktop/desktop | 20:09 |
| popey | so this thing has a Radeo HD 5450/6350 according to lspci | 20:09 |
| directhex | 5000 series is supported by fglrx | 20:24 |
| directhex | i already have a spare 5450, but i need to help debug working on older cards | 20:25 |
| directhex | lots of grumpy people with high end 4000 series on steam forums | 20:25 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
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