=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:53] morning all [06:55] morning [06:55] huomenta :) [06:56] MooDoo: how was the weekend? (and you are a little late, no? ) [06:56] jussi: it was fine and yes, I am, normally on a lot earlier lol [06:56] what about yourself? [06:57] not bad, generally relaxing, football team won (Liverpool) what else can I say? :P [06:58] sounds a good weekend. [07:01] morning [07:02] o/ [07:02] liverpool? pff [07:02] i thought you're not even from the uk:) [07:03] mapps: someone has to support them [07:03] :D [07:16] mapps: Im not! but why do you htink I hang out in this channel... ? [07:17] because you wish you were;] [07:17] or the ubuntu-fi chan is empty?:P [07:41] mapps: meh, writing finnish is hard. Im actually a misplaced Aussie :P [07:41] actually, I hang out here because popey is awesome :P (nah, maybe just because I like you lot) [07:51] jussi: ok you're crazy [07:51] ;) [07:51] MooDoo: he's what you get when you mix Finnish and Dutch, I guess? [07:51] MooDoo: because I like people here? [07:52] wait, Finnish Dutch AND Aussie [07:52] ? [07:52] jussi: yea of course, we're all nuts ;) [08:00] morning everyone [08:03] hrm, what is "unary"? (reading about operator precedence in C) [08:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unary_operation [08:06] :p [08:14] jussi: operators with only one operand (things like "not $foo" -> not only acts on one thing) [08:14] MartijnVdS: ahh, excellent, thanks [08:41] Morning [08:41] morning alan [08:41] morning popey [08:42] 16 episodes in unde 3 days:D [08:42] il be able to finish arrow s1 by thee end of the day hoorah [08:42] huzzah! [08:44] I quite like Arrow [08:44] where you upto on it [08:44] I love it [08:45] I'm very naughty, so am completely up-to-date on Arrow. [08:46] dwatkins: me too shhhh [08:46] il be upto date soon:D [08:47] It's a good month for telly, what with Cosmos, Continuum and Once Upon a Time coming back. [08:47] hmm never seen cosmos or continum [08:47] Morning all [08:48] continuum is awesome [08:48] morning diplo [08:48] yep http://nancygriffis.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/continuum01.jpg [08:48] hello diplo [08:48] Hasn't continuum been cancelled? [08:49] hm [08:49] not sure, diplo - the wikipedia page just says about renewal for season 3 [08:49] nope, returned last night in the US didn't it? [08:50] yep [08:54] oh, I'll have to look that up [09:14] Good morning peeps :) [09:14] morning bigcalm [09:17] 16 down 17 coming up [09:17] :D [09:17] gonna finish s1 today then stop [09:35] wish the producers had done that :/ [09:38] s2 sucks? [09:39] s2 couldn't hold my attention. ymmv, of course [09:39] I have the S3, its decent.... wait a sec, what are we talking about? :P [09:40] s3 lol s2 hasnt finished [09:40] :P [09:40] silly jussi [09:41] tv series..arrow;p [09:41] not phones :) [09:41] mapps: :D [09:42] how do I figure out which FS is being used and $usb_HDD [09:42] ? [09:44] what do you mean ? fdisk will show u the fs? [09:45] mapps: be more precise... [09:45] fdisk /dev/sdxX and then fdisk will show you the fs [09:46] if you dont know th device could check dmesg [09:46] but what did you mean by $usb_HDD whys it a variabl [09:46] type mount [09:46] yea that too [09:47] i like fdisk ;[ mount output is messy [09:47] hrm [09:47] now this is strange... [09:48] >? [09:48] I'm a sucker for abusing 'file' in such situations. file -s /dev/sd* gives a surprisingly useful amount of info about most fs [09:48] from fdisk... [09:48] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [09:48] /dev/sdb1 63 488392064 244196001 b W95 FAT32 [09:48] from mount [09:48] /dev/sdb1 on /media/jussi/LaCie type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2) [09:48] wot? [09:49] Something in fstab trying to mount as ext3 maybe ? [09:49] fat32 [09:50] it could quite easily be ext3. buy a disk that comes formatted as fat32, mkfs it because it's not 1998 anymore, et voila. [09:50] shauno: that is precisely what I remember to have done, but wanted to confirm. (was sometime back). now IM confuzzled [09:50] id have thought itd be ntfs if a big sized usb hdd [09:51] mkfs won't change the partition structure [09:51] yea [09:51] i know [09:51] :) [09:52] * jussi gets over it and guesses ext3, then goes back to failing to learn to code in C. [09:56] morning boys and girls. [10:02] morning [10:02] morning MooDoo [10:09] monday morning... [10:09] bashrc_: correct 1 point ;) === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [10:28] Is now a good time to do this? [10:28] !rat [10:28] rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/ [10:28] \o/ [10:28] ticket booked [10:28] Woot [10:30] popey: did you get an error after paying with paypal? [10:30] no, i got a "press button to complete purchase" with no button [10:30] but got the confirmation mail anyway [10:30] Nice [10:31] Dave2 and I both got PHP errors :) [10:31] sweet [10:31] But we also got confirmation emails [10:31] it got cold again here :/ [10:31] we had like +10 degrees just the other day, now its -15 again :/ [10:32] Crazy Finnish weather [10:32] yes, it was 17c here yesterday. [10:32] Ive a random question for all those here who drive... what "electronic" peice would you most like to see in your car? [10:32] peice ? [10:33] coffeemaker. [10:33] Sound/Video system, so I can hook up kids screens and music for front end, it's on my todo list this year hopefully [10:33] autopilot [10:34] I dont spend long enought in my car to care [10:34] Myrtti: :D [10:34] my car can go for a week or two without being used [10:34] I had an DAB radio added to my car, so I have everything that I need [10:34] popey: the good/bad of working from home [10:35] ok, so now, think about it this way. forget the entertainment system. what else would be nice? [10:35] I'm not sure I want 'driverless' to be mandatory, but haven fallen asleep with cruise control on before, I can see the use as an option [10:35] i would probably setup my nexus7 on the dash, like a kind of hud. [10:36] i nearly fell asleep in the car, pulled over into services, stopped the car in the car park, seat back arms back, sleep... [10:36] woke 30 mins later and thought my arms had been severed, they'd gone to sleep behind my head [10:36] I'd like cruse control to be removed from cars. My car has that and a speed limiter setting. Set the speed I want, get my foot into a comfortable position and that's all I need [10:36] lol [10:36] popey: hahah, Ive done that also [10:36] I've spent in morotway services before, a powernap at 6am prior to heading to work on the way back from Edinburgh to Reading. [10:37] I've also nearly fallen asleep while driving back from Farnham. Very glad I found a sort of layby in the woods to have a nap [10:37] i saw "layby" as "lady" [10:37] Heh [10:38] this was in the states. cruise control, no corners, 20hr round trip to go to a funeral the next state over ... so many bad choices [10:38] It was the gate area for a BT or electric building thing. That and it being a Sunday, I could have stayed there all day [10:38] I was playing quite a bit of OpenSpades at the weekend [10:38] That game is _awesome_ [10:38] you would like it bigcalm [10:38] popey: any screen shots? [10:39] sure [10:39] lemme fire it up and get better ones than the ones I previously took [10:39] aww, no alanbell this morning? [10:39] Okay :) [10:43] hmm [10:43] i was trying linux mint in virtual box and its freezing after i select boot [10:44] It wants you to stay with Ubuntu [10:47] bigcalm: http://imgur.com/YL1xeAU,wDwuQ2T,KoX79pb,AeCiBXM,B0yKgFU,B0V53JW,RUF94kc,rVEfpEO,JGqeKea,f74StGy,zE81avw,pE1YMsB [10:47] you can build and destroy, but buildings have physics, so if you take out the bottom of a building, it falls over [10:47] see pic 2 for a building in mid collapse [10:48] and #9 for a tree in mid collapse ☻ [10:48] i just wanted to try it not switching to lm:) [10:48] popey: damn you and your fun games! :P [10:49] popey: most interesting :) [10:49] I'd not heard of it before friday [10:49] apparently it's an open source implementation of Ace Of Spades [10:49] Lemmy is a coder now? [10:50] ☻ [10:51] Humm. As Hayley isn't with me for the RAT. Do I still book the Monday off and drive back then, or just come home on the Sunday? [10:52] native or wine atm? [10:53] trying to boot a sun server running linux.. [10:53] root (hd1,0) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 [10:53] kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-308.8.2.el5 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet [10:53] crashkernel=128M@16M [10:53] �� [10:53] last thing i see on the console. any ideas [10:56] Morning all [10:57] does it actually have a volume group to boot from, foobarry? Sounds like it's a display problem - parhaps the OS actually does boot - can you ssh into it, ping it etc.? [10:57] in my experience, linux on Sun or SGI hardware tends to have issues with displaying much more than the console. [10:59] dwatkins: can't ping :( [10:59] but the redirection might not be working properly [10:59] and i'm not physically at screen [11:00] you might need to add a boot option to have it output to the console somewhere [11:01] wow, that was fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3vTjhu35hk [11:06] | count(*) | [11:06] +----------+ [11:07] I hate right click in irssi [11:07] hehe [11:07] mine asks if I want to paste. [11:07] i'm scared to try [11:08] me too [11:08] middle click pastes [11:08] pipe 5 [11:08] phew [11:08] sweet [11:08] jussi: wow [11:08] paste_verify_line_count = 5 [11:08] Ask you whether you meant to paste something if it's longer than this many lines. [11:08] my firefox os phgone arrived [11:09] paste_detect_time = 5msecs [11:09] Irssi will detect pastes when your input has less than this much time between lines. [11:09] those should help. http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings [11:09] bigcalm: pretty amazing, right? [11:09] jussi: cheeky [11:10] bigcalm: bet you didnt see the volvo coming back like that... :D [11:11] i knew he would [11:11] davmor2: this double screensaver thing is starting to become annoying :) [11:11] MartijnVdS: indeed [11:12] coming home on m25 last night. silver merc in outside lane driving at <65 , occasionally tapping brakes with clear road in front [11:12] broke the whole motorway system [11:12] jussi: I thought he had the edge before the commentators saw it. But, no, not expected [11:13] middle lane was undertaking because you couldn't do much else , and outside lane bunched up, and waiting to undertake [11:14] I love it when the hard shoulder on the M6 is opened up due to congestion. It means I get to under take everybody because so few will actually use the extra lane [11:14] higher risk of punctures on hard shoulder [11:15] True [11:15] I think they keep it pretty clear though [11:16] changed my headlmap bulb at weekend. although it took 15 mins, the effort involved iis ridiculous [11:16] i'd rather change a keyboard in a laptop [11:17] Heh [11:17] I have to take a number 10 spanner to my wife's headlamps to get inside the light cluster. Most annoying [11:18] fnar fnar [11:18] wife's headlamps [11:18] "wife's headlamps" is not a euphemism :P [11:18] Damn, beat me to it [11:19] bigcalm: what car [11:19] Limbo OST is on Spotify \o/ http://open.spotify.com/user/bigcalm/playlist/2Y6BmbitkuJ7GcJxofKvSh [11:19] davmor2: Hyundai Matrix [11:20] bigcalm: oh well if she will go and buy these cars that aren't french :D [11:22] Heh [11:23] good morning everyone [11:23] morning [11:27] bigcalm: have you had to change a bulb in the back of the 407 is yours light box a pain in the neck to remove? [11:28] bank holiday shift .. taking the chance to get stuck into st:voyager :) [11:28] davmor2: I've yet to have to change any of the rear lights. Odd now that you mention it [11:28] shauno: oooo [11:29] irish get a bank hol to go drinking? [11:29] bigcalm: they really are a pain to remove good luck when you do ;) [11:29] some shows are best watched at work, because I still have 4:3 monitors [11:29] foobarry: it's the national holiday. most countries take such as days off. the UK is just odd for not having one [11:30] hmm [11:30] time to do some rowing [11:30] row row row the boat [11:30] :D [11:30] i could have done with today off. weekend was too busy [11:31] oh I'm not off. just much lazier because no-one else is here [11:32] shauno: don't work from home then [11:32] nope :( but still not sure I'd have the discipline for that [11:33] shauno: if you ever do, I suggest watching a short video by Michel and Webb [11:34] Erm, Mitchell & Webb [11:37] shauno: it's fine if you have a dedicated office. That is then then work room effectively, outside of that room you are at home inside you are at the office ;) [11:42] ooh https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co [11:47] popey, bigcalm, MartijnVdS: do you guys remember a game called chaos engine? that was a fun game :) [11:48] nope [11:48] wow according to wikipedia it was published for linux too [11:48] popey: it's another microprose game I had it on the amiga [11:49] i was too poor to have an amiga ☻ [11:50] popey: I only had an amiga second hand from a friend when they moved onto the pc :) [11:52] more fool them, amiga>pc! (for certain timeframes) [11:54] oh it's in steam [12:32] davmor2: no [12:33] I had a BBC Micro -> Acorn Archimedes -> PC. Didn't get to play many fun games [12:34] lots of AMAZING spreadsheets though [12:36] BBC Micro had plenty of fun games [12:36] And with the Archimedes you were part of the future, running the first ARM processor. That's clearly worth more than some games. [12:38] speaking of which... [12:39] https://archive.org/details/computermagazines [12:42] * bigcalm drags himself out of the time eating hole [12:48] bigcalm: and yet you are still on the internet :P [12:48] davmor2: wouldn't have a job without it :) [12:48] bigcalm: hahaha [12:49] hmm hope they dont take too long with my passport/eject it [12:49] mapps: what are you doing with it? [12:49] enewing it [12:49] but [12:49] well [12:50] mapps: your "r" seems broken [12:50] ish [12:50] replacing i lost it at manchester airport after holland;( [12:50] but thing is...it says to send 2 photos and they can be a minimum of x by y ..so i cut mine and theyre a bit bigger than the guideline dimensions [12:50] im hoping they cut them to size ..it just specified a min..i kept within that [12:51] mapps: here, we have to go to special certified passport photogs [12:51] mapps: who give you a set that will work (or your money back/a free replacement) [12:51] i got them done at the photo machine but it prints 5 in a block so u cut them out..and i did but yea i just cut the white and made sure its not below the min - so i figure should be ok? [12:52] sounded like aslong as they aent too small its fine..to big o too much white and they can cut down? [12:52] well i hope so anyway [12:52] mapps: usually they have a overlay for size/head size etc [12:53] yea , thats what iu thought so its just dont make them smaller than this size [12:53] bit bigger is oke [12:53] I thought the other way.... [12:53] but it says a mnimum surely itd say a maximum else [12:54] gonna try and go to 4 euro places spain/germany/ and dunno paris and somewhere wanna see Bacelona v someone..cant remember who ..but tickets are 160 euros!!! [12:54] 160 euros is outrageous [12:56] its like 50 quid for a prem game..paid 40 euros to see Utrecht [12:56] but i guess barcelona have a huge following [12:58] barca is really expensive to go see [12:58] I tried last time I was there [12:58] Nou camp is an amazing place, shame it was so damn expensive that I didnt get to go [13:01] you can go on a tour round it [13:01] is that also expensive? [13:01] bayern was expensive too..looked at Bayern Munich v Dortmund i think that was 80 euros? way more than i expected [13:01] the flights are cheaper! [13:02] just feels like you're being totally ripped off when its that expensive [13:03] ive heard paris is really really expensive too [13:03] mapps: Marseille is for you IMHO. [13:03] decent team, decent prices === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:06] the area isnt a ripoff too? [13:06] where have you been to around europe? [13:09] mapps: too many places to list, including germany, austria, belgium, france, italy, spain, Uk Finland, sweden, Estonia..... and more [13:10] scandanavia looks really expensive :/ [13:11] shauno: it can be... depends how you go about it [13:19] 5,286,940k .. what chrome is using [13:24] what does background app mean? gmail is using 1.5gb [13:25] foobarry: in which context [13:25] yea ive heard denmark etc cost a fortune [13:25] about:memory [13:26] list of tabs [13:26] it had a pid which i killed and chrome popped up a balloon [13:26] but unsure how to close background apps [13:26] foobarry: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1184722?hl=en [13:28] thx. [13:28] 1gb a tad exesssive [13:28] 1.5gb [13:31] why? [13:31] It's a full-featured email client, contact manager and task list management app [13:32] with a fair bit of your mail pre-cached [13:32] thunderbird is using a lot less [13:32] not sure I'd call thunderbird full-featured :/ [13:34] foobarry: it may not have cached as much -- disk access is orders of magnitude faster than web access [13:35] foobarry: also, Tbird *eats* RAM usually, like firefox [13:41] adblock is chomping 200M too [13:43] 4862 alan 20 0 3190216 1.172g 45824 S 9.3 7.5 192:50.11 chromium-browse [13:44] tweetdeck [13:44] is it all in use though [13:44] or is it just the malloc()ed bit [13:44] some of it never touched [13:44] mine was, that was the prob [13:44] used all my 8gb RAM and 4GB swap [13:44] i just closed the tab and re-opened it [13:44] most of it chrome [13:45] popey: is it a bground task? [13:45] how can you tell? [13:45] killed G+ too and re-opened, better [13:46] now I'm just left with the main browser process eating [13:46] 4715 alan 20 0 3630952 540008 45736 S 2.0 3.3 436:29.88 chromium-browse [13:46] task manager in settings says "background task" [13:46] no idea what task manager that is [13:47] sorry, chrome - settings [13:47] similar from (ium too [13:47] i have no task manager in settings in chromium [13:47] under tools -> [13:47] shift escape [13:48] aha, tools, not settings [13:49] none are background === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === TREllis_ is now known as TREllis === TwistedLucidity is now known as ZenCart4Eva === ZenCart4Eva is now known as TwsitedLucidity [15:35] What's missing from this list? http://www.onenote.com/ :( [15:35] Well, it *is* a microsoft product... [15:36] google keep works OK for me. [15:37] All devices is a lie [15:37] !rat | TheOpenSourcerer [15:37] TheOpenSourcerer: rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/ [15:38] ;) [15:38] Cool - Thanks bigcalm [15:40] * bigcalm tickles czajkowski [15:43] Booked :-D [15:44] \o/ [15:45] Yay :) [15:45] Whom else do we need to tickle about this? [15:46] yay, my Stallboard app is live in the store [15:47] popey: is this the amazon swindle one or another one? [15:49] wat wat [15:49] Is there a website that lists ut apps? [15:49] 2nd aug is ages away! [15:49] mapps: you have to book it early, it's a popular event [15:50] ah [15:50] bigcalm: Wack it on the Ubuntu community on G+ and/or Twitter. The more the merrier as far I'm concerned [15:50] i thought just about booking time off for wok [15:50] work [15:50] TheOpenSourcerer: I'm surprised that nobody has retweeted me :( [15:51] ah - when did you tweet it then? [15:51] https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/445267305950629888 [15:51] Yesterday afternoon [15:51] TheOpenSourcerer: do you know where alanbell is atm? he is normally always online... [15:52] jussi: He was in the office this morning. I'm at home today waiting for Travis Perkins [15:52] 0844 3576000 [15:52] Should probably still be there [15:53] yeah, thanks [15:53] TheOpenSourcerer: ta for the tweet [15:54] np [15:59] I think I should repeat this here also, as you might all get a laugh... [15:59] saw soemthing funny on FB today.... " this was my 9th date with my girlfriend and we went to see batman. The current date history goes like this: Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Batman" [16:00] lol [16:00] It's time to install NetBSD 6.1.3 on this laptop's new hard disk. [16:00] (the old disk failed) [16:00] oops, that's completely meant for another channel. [16:02] you're not allowed to talk about non-ubuntu in here [16:02] it ruins the atmosphere [16:03] It makes me happy that one of my colleagues has an Ubuntu Server book on his desk. [16:03] haha [16:03] :) [16:04] ball: that's only any good if he uses it :) [16:05] I should ask him whether he has an Ubuntu Server VM somewhere. [16:06] is netbsd somewhere near workable as a desktop now? [16:08] i thought openbsd and netbsd are just for servers [16:09] BigRedS: I've started fights in #netbsd before by asserting that it's essentially a server OS. [16:10] You can run desktops on it but people expect things from a desktop OS that NetBSD doesn't usually provide. [16:10] (e.g. WiFi, Adobe Flash etc.) [16:11] ball: yeah, like it always was :) [16:11] There was a bsd-for-the-desktop distro (pc-bsd?) and I wondered if any of the other bsds had taken it upon themselves to more completely package a desktop [16:12] I've not really looked at bsd since it was only a little bit less desktop friendly than linux [16:12] BigRedS: It's interesting that PC-BSD exists but I don't think the NetBSD people feel any great pressure to replicate that. [16:13] Ah, I meant take-the-best-bits rather than rework. But, yeah, it's never really been much of a focus for any bsd [16:13] I like Xubuntu for desktops and BSD for servers (or unix if it's bigger than a PC server can handle comfortably). [16:13] XFCE and BSD? You're that fond of the '90s? :) [16:14] BigRedS: Xfce4 seems less broken than Unity. [16:14] ...and there's less of a learning curve for XP users. [16:14] http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-%20broadband-race-in-1990-1224784 [16:15] Oh, of course. But Unity's basically now an illustration of JWZ's CADT more than an attempt at a workable desktop I think [16:15] yey for non-technical folk making technical decisions [16:15] which might just be me being interested in all the 'wrong' sorts of bug @) [16:15] I don't know what a JWZ or CADT is. [16:15] jwz is an angry ex-mozilla developer who now runs a nightclub [16:15] er, ex-netscape [16:16] http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html [16:16] I try Ubuntu about once every year to see whether they've fixed Unity. [16:16] ...then I go back to Xubuntu. [16:17] elementary ftw [16:17] haha, I use Unity at work and it's fairly usable. I've crunchbang on my laptop because fluxbox hasn't broken indicators [16:17] and, basically, the three things I require from my DE are working alerts when I get IMs, multiple workspaces and alt-tab [16:17] I tend to use Blackbox on NetBSD, though I've used Xfce4 there experimentally too. [16:18] I don't think I've ever got Gnome to work there and KDE is of no interest to me. [16:18] I used to use vanilla *box but I could never be arsed to configure it [16:18] haha, I did a try-all-the-DEs as gnome 2.x's EOL was announced [16:19] and realised that most are/were horrendous [16:19] BigRedS: On mine it's just a single flat text file to edit to fix everyone's menu. [16:19] Customised menus might be more difficult but that hasn't come up. [16:20] my biggest problem was my laziness meaning I didn't have a working 'shutdown' button [16:20] so I'd just use the shell. And sometimes I'd use the wrong shell and enter 'poweroff' into an ssh session [16:23] Ouch. Yes, you'd want to be careful with that, especially on a shared host. [16:25] XD [16:25] Thinking about it that was on my list of things to check: how to grey out the Shutdown button [16:25] ball: doh, I missed something, be careful with what? [16:25] (on Xfce) [16:27] i use xfce or lxde [16:28] umm [16:28] I'll never figure out why amazon refuse to deliver so many products from uk to ireland :/ [16:28] ball why is bsd better for servers than linux? sorry if its obvious [16:30] https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qxle0wmyrqksxx/IMG_20140317_161101.jpg [16:30] setting this up today :> [16:30] Lenovo X240 - i5-4300U based \o/ [16:30] shauno: have you ever thought that they might just hate you? [16:30] afternoon all [16:30] it's crossed my mind more than once [16:30] shauno: lots of stuff won't come to the Channel Islands either, such as if it contains a battery [16:31] i can't buy UPSs from amazon =| [16:31] shauno: Possibly and issue with customs difference maybe? [16:31] right now, it's soldering iron tips. they're either shipping from china in ~3 weeks, or they're mainland sellers that can't ship to ireland [16:31] MooDoo: me owld mucka [16:32] or anyone that has an answer [16:32] mapps: It's better for me on servers than Linux because I don't know how to use Linux. [16:33] I mean, I can poke my way around on Xubuntu as a desktop but I'm lost when I have to use a Linux server. [16:33] I should probably buy a book or something. [16:34] just do what i did, give yourself a server orientated task to learn, then get cracking [16:34] you'll catch on pretty quick if you're comfortable on the command line and good with file management [16:34] my #1 task was to play with setting up a web server from home [16:34] on the other hand, bsd is near-useless for me on servers for exactly the same reason :) [16:34] daftykins: I would but I'm usually too busy. [16:34] ah [16:34] daftykins: Are you in the Channel Islands? [16:35] yes sir, Guernsey [16:35] I loved Guernsey [16:35] an island which has a retarded government about to introduce a tax similar to VAT [16:35] *commences high volume obscenity screaming toward the States of Guernsey* [16:35] I've been there a few times, the first when I was twelve and sailed from Dartmouth to St. Peter Port in a Force 9 gale. [16:35] daftykins: you suck ;) [16:36] MooDoo: D: [16:36] daftykins: Will it be 25%? [16:36] ball: :D nice [16:36] nah 5% [16:36] daftykins: man another reason not to go :D [16:36] daftykins: That's not too bad then. [16:36] but the thing is, we have access to a direct case study of how good it is to implement - over on Jersey that've had it since ~2007 - they *regret* it [16:37] it's going to cost as much to implement and run as the tax brings in [16:37] i'm so livid about their level of idiocy i might have to take one of diddledan's sedatives [16:37] anyway hardly channel topic - so i shall hush :) [16:41] I should probably do the same about BSD then. [16:42] nah that's as close to on-topic as we ever get :D [16:42] BSD is pretty decent [16:42] ...except to say that the FreeBSD people would probably cite ZFS as an advantage of FreeBSD on servers. I haven't used FreeBSD in recent years so I can't vouch for that myself. [16:42] ...but I'm aware of ZFS as a potentially useful thing for file servers. [16:42] ahh ok thanks ball i just wondered im sure ive heard people say how bsd is better as servers but beyond the you know bsd and not linux ..wonder what other reasons [16:42] ZFS is supposedly the saviour of all mankind [16:43] i tried freebsd many years back on like a p166 so that tells you how long ago [16:43] mapps: Stability perhaps. [16:43] personally, I think there's a default assumption that bsd must be for servers because you'd be crazy to use it for anything else [16:43] shauno may have a point. [16:43] brb, moar coffee/ [16:44] if you only use the ports system then bsd on the server is no more friendly than gentoo [16:44] compile all the things [16:44] luckily they do make binpkgs of some stuff [16:46] but pfsense and freenas are pretty awesome variants [16:47] thanks [16:47] it annoys me, however, that pfsense can't do failover unless you have multiple public ip addresses and the two systems' public interfaces somehow tied to one-another [16:48] hm heard of ports dunno what it is [16:48] not easier than compiling by source? [16:50] The ports collection is what FreeBSD and perhaps OpenBSD call their collection of packages. [16:50] NetBSD call theirs pkgsrc. [16:50] (though pkgsrc is designed to be portable to other systems) [16:51] I build packages from source because pkgsrc makes that easy, if not exactly quick. [16:51] There are binary packages too but I think they're more awkward to use. [16:56] hello ahayzen [16:57] ball, o/ === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [17:53] ugh [17:53] boring walk to the supermarket done [17:53] ;] [17:54] ball so if ports is fbsds package system isnt that easier than from source [17:55] Possibly on FreeBSD. I don't use that so I couldn't say. [17:55] ah ok sorry === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:02] so will there be anything good on tv tonight [18:02] i say...unlikely [18:03] heh, TV good [18:03] silly mapps ;) [18:04] :) [18:04] i'm really enjoying House of Cards so far [18:04] that netflix series with Kevin Spacey [18:22] Is that an American remake of the U.K. one? [18:23] ball: yes [18:25] so not as good then /me dives in the bunker [18:27] davmor2: That's usually the way. [18:30] well, it's spun out longer, as is tradition for US TV [18:30] *but* it's sufficiently not about US politics that even i'm enjoying it [18:30] so it can't be bad :D [18:31] not seen the original UK version [18:37] Fortunately the local PBS stations play quite a bit of U.K. telly. [18:38] Not that I watch much telly. [18:41] :) [18:44] not seen either [18:44] how far through are you daftykins [18:45] heard it is mad good yea - thats on my list to watch sometime..i tend to go through loadsa eps at once [18:45] mapps: only about a third of season 1 [18:45] il have done arrow s1 soon..23 eps in 3-4days;p [18:45] aha [19:01] is there a quick way to delete a lot of spam tweets after hackers steal your twitter password? [19:02] hmm [19:03] not as far as im aware not though the site anyway 3d party app ..maybe [19:04] ali1234: have you been scuppered? D: [19:05] no, i don't use twitter [19:05] # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 7 commits. [19:07] directhex: the artist formerly known as ye olde steamose? [19:07] daftykins, yes! [19:07] :O [19:08] commit 639a6cad7f18d13d60c96911ddfc518b6c1dbe00 [19:08] Author: Jo Shields [19:08] Date: Mon Mar 17 18:55:54 2014 +0000 [19:08] Ye Olde SteamOSe is now XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Rename references in gen.sh [19:09] am preparing one mega git push [19:09] will likely be on wednesday at this rate [19:09] hehehe [19:11] release plan 1: prepare an installer which works *great* on dmraid (for dual-booting properly with windows raid users) [19:11] release plan 2: prepare new website [19:11] release plan 3: begin seeding via trusted seeder network [19:12] release plan 4: record a series(!) of tutorial videos, making XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX the best documented way to install SteamOS [19:12] release plan 5: git push --all [19:12] release plan 6: announce [19:12] also, amend #1 to include "works on radeon 4000 series" [19:13] 1 is totally blocked right now on real test hardware [19:14] so i'm gonna work on 2 until then [19:14] * popey wonders what the ATI card he has is [19:15] maybe even pieces of 4 aren't blocking [19:18] well, i cant even find the amazon or ebuyer order I thought I had got it from [19:19] i ordered one off ebay [19:19] suppose i could turn this pc on and find out [19:19] i've basically spent every penny of YOS donations, plus £5 of my own money, on my test bed [19:22] hehe [19:22] that's dedication! [19:23] off to eat and what not, ttfn \o [19:24] should be getting a bunch of it tomorrow [19:26] hm [19:26] the twins from the following well the 1 guy that plays both [19:26] from same place as me and went to the same school! [19:26] didnt know him..prob 3-4yrs younger [19:26] still kinda neat [19:29] case/psu should arrive tomorrow from scan, according to txt from dpd === ball is now known as Guest18107 [19:30] what you building === Guest18107 is now known as lopta [19:31] mapps, an old pc [19:32] radeon should show up tomorrow too, rmsd [19:32] mobo/cpu/ram are in myhermes limbo right now, so glob knows when they'll show [19:56] i lied btw, it's mostly mono money not steamos money [20:07] haha, i just booted my old pc with the ati card [20:08] boots into ye olde steam os [20:08] not used this in a while! [20:08] hm, whats the username /password for the desktop account? [20:09] ah yes, desktop/desktop [20:09] so this thing has a Radeo HD 5450/6350 according to lspci [20:24] 5000 series is supported by fglrx [20:25] i already have a spare 5450, but i need to help debug working on older cards [20:25] lots of grumpy people with high end 4000 series on steam forums === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte