[06:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:55] <constrictor> morning
[06:55] <jussi> huomenta :)
[06:56] <jussi> MooDoo: how was the weekend?  (and you are a little late, no? )
[06:56] <MooDoo> jussi: it was fine and yes, I am, normally on a lot earlier lol
[06:56] <MooDoo> what about yourself?
[06:57] <jussi> not bad, generally relaxing, football team won (Liverpool) what else can I say? :P
[06:58] <MooDoo> sounds a good weekend.
[07:01] <mapps> morning
[07:02] <shauno> o/
[07:02] <mapps> liverpool? pff
[07:02] <mapps> i thought you're not even from the uk:)
[07:03] <MooDoo> mapps: someone has to support them
[07:03] <mapps> :D
[07:16] <jussi> mapps: Im not! but why do you htink I hang out in this channel... ?
[07:17] <mapps> because you wish you were;]
[07:17] <mapps> or the ubuntu-fi chan is empty?:P
[07:41] <jussi> mapps: meh, writing finnish is hard. Im actually a misplaced Aussie :P
[07:41] <jussi> actually, I hang out here because popey is awesome :P (nah, maybe just because I like you lot)
[07:51] <MooDoo> jussi: ok you're crazy
[07:51] <MooDoo> ;)
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: he's what you get when you mix Finnish and Dutch, I guess?
[07:51] <jussi> MooDoo: because I like people here?
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> wait, Finnish Dutch AND Aussie
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> ?
[07:52] <MooDoo> jussi: yea of course, we're all nuts ;)
[08:00] <Knightwi1e> morning everyone
[08:03] <jussi> hrm, what is "unary"? (reading about operator precedence in C)
[08:06] <MooDoo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unary_operation
[08:06] <MooDoo> :p
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> jussi: operators with only one operand (things like "not $foo" -> not only acts on one thing)
[08:14] <jussi> MartijnVdS: ahh, excellent, thanks
[08:41] <popey> Morning
[08:41] <MooDoo> morning alan
[08:41] <mapps> morning popey
[08:42] <mapps> 16 episodes in unde 3 days:D
[08:42] <mapps> il be able to finish arrow s1 by thee end of the day hoorah
[08:42] <MooDoo> huzzah!
[08:44] <dwatkins> I quite like Arrow
[08:44] <mapps> where you upto on it
[08:44] <MooDoo> I love it
[08:45] <dwatkins> I'm very naughty, so am completely up-to-date on Arrow.
[08:46] <MooDoo> dwatkins: me too shhhh
[08:46] <mapps> il be upto date soon:D
[08:47] <dwatkins> It's a good month for telly, what with Cosmos, Continuum and Once Upon a Time coming back.
[08:47] <mapps> hmm never seen cosmos or continum
[08:47] <diplo> Morning all
[08:48] <MooDoo> continuum is awesome
[08:48] <mapps> morning diplo
[08:48] <dwatkins> yep http://nancygriffis.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/continuum01.jpg
[08:48] <MooDoo> hello diplo
[08:48] <diplo> Hasn't continuum been cancelled?
[08:49] <mapps> hm
[08:49] <dwatkins> not sure, diplo - the wikipedia page just says about renewal for season 3
[08:49] <MooDoo> nope, returned last night in the US didn't it?
[08:50] <dwatkins> yep
[08:54] <diplo> oh, I'll have to look that up
[09:14] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:17] <mapps> 16 down 17 coming up
[09:17] <mapps> :D
[09:17] <mapps> gonna finish s1 today then stop
[09:35] <shauno> wish the producers had done that :/
[09:38] <mapps> s2 sucks?
[09:39] <shauno> s2 couldn't hold my attention. ymmv, of course
[09:39] <jussi> I have the S3, its decent.... wait a sec, what are we talking about? :P
[09:40] <mapps> s3 lol s2 hasnt finished
[09:40] <mapps> :P
[09:40] <mapps> silly jussi
[09:41] <mapps> tv series..arrow;p
[09:41] <mapps> not phones :)
[09:41] <jussi> mapps: :D
[09:42] <jussi> how do I figure out which FS is being used and $usb_HDD
[09:42] <jussi> ?
[09:44] <mapps> what do you mean ? fdisk will show u the fs?
[09:45] <jussi> mapps: be more precise...
[09:45] <mapps> fdisk /dev/sdxX and then fdisk will show you the fs
[09:46] <mapps> if you dont know th device could check dmesg
[09:46] <mapps> but what did you mean by $usb_HDD whys it a variabl
[09:46] <foobarry> type mount
[09:46] <mapps> yea that too
[09:47] <mapps> i like fdisk ;[ mount output is messy
[09:47] <jussi> hrm
[09:47] <jussi> now this is strange...
[09:48] <mapps> >?
[09:48] <shauno> I'm a sucker for abusing 'file' in such situations.  file -s /dev/sd* gives a surprisingly useful amount of info about most fs
[09:48] <jussi> from fdisk...
[09:48] <jussi> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:48] <jussi> /dev/sdb1              63   488392064   244196001    b  W95 FAT32
[09:48] <jussi> from mount
[09:48] <jussi> /dev/sdb1 on /media/jussi/LaCie type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2)
[09:48] <jussi> wot?
[09:49] <diplo> Something in fstab trying to mount as ext3 maybe ?
[09:49] <mapps> fat32
[09:50] <shauno> it could quite easily be ext3.  buy a disk that comes formatted as fat32, mkfs it because it's not 1998 anymore, et voila.
[09:50] <jussi> shauno: that is precisely what I remember to have done, but wanted to confirm. (was sometime back). now IM confuzzled
[09:50] <mapps> id have thought itd be ntfs if a big sized usb hdd
[09:51] <shauno> mkfs won't change the partition structure
[09:51] <mapps> yea
[09:51] <mapps> i know
[09:51] <mapps> :)
[09:52]  * jussi gets over it and guesses ext3, then goes back to failing to learn to code in C.
[09:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:09] <bashrc_> monday morning...
[10:09] <MooDoo> bashrc_: correct 1 point ;)
[10:28] <bigcalm> Is now a good time to do this?
[10:28] <bigcalm> !rat
[10:28] <popey> \o/
[10:28] <popey> ticket booked
[10:28] <bigcalm> Woot
[10:30] <bigcalm> popey: did you get an error after paying with paypal?
[10:30] <popey> no, i got a "press button to complete purchase" with no button
[10:30] <popey> but got the confirmation mail anyway
[10:30] <bigcalm> Nice
[10:31] <bigcalm> Dave2 and I both got PHP errors :)
[10:31] <popey> sweet
[10:31] <bigcalm> But we also got confirmation emails
[10:31] <jussi> it got cold again here :/
[10:31] <jussi> we had like +10 degrees just the other day, now its -15 again :/
[10:32] <bigcalm> Crazy Finnish weather
[10:32] <brobostigon> yes, it was 17c here yesterday.
[10:32] <jussi> Ive a random question for all those here who drive... what "electronic" peice would you most like to see in your car?
[10:32] <brobostigon> peice ?
[10:33] <Myrtti> coffeemaker.
[10:33] <diplo> Sound/Video system, so I can hook up kids screens and music for front end, it's on my todo list this year hopefully
[10:33] <shauno> autopilot
[10:34] <popey> I dont spend long enought in my car to care
[10:34] <jussi> Myrtti: :D
[10:34] <popey> my car can go for a week or two without being used
[10:34] <bigcalm> I had an DAB radio added to my car, so I have everything that I need
[10:34] <bigcalm> popey: the good/bad of working from home
[10:35] <jussi> ok, so now, think about it this way. forget the entertainment system. what else would be nice?
[10:35] <shauno> I'm not sure I want 'driverless' to be mandatory, but haven fallen asleep with cruise control on before, I can see the use as an option
[10:35] <brobostigon> i would probably setup my nexus7 on the dash, like a kind of hud.
[10:36] <popey> i nearly fell asleep in the car, pulled over into services, stopped the car in the car park, seat back arms back, sleep...
[10:36] <popey> woke 30 mins later and thought my arms had been severed, they'd gone to sleep behind my head
[10:36] <bigcalm> I'd like cruse control to be removed from cars. My car has that and a speed limiter setting. Set the speed I want, get my foot into a comfortable position and that's all I need
[10:36] <brobostigon> lol
[10:36] <jussi> popey: hahah, Ive done that also
[10:36] <dwatkins> I've spent in morotway services before, a powernap at 6am prior to heading to work on the way back from Edinburgh to Reading.
[10:37] <bigcalm> I've also nearly fallen asleep while driving back from Farnham. Very glad I found a sort of layby in the woods to have a nap
[10:37] <popey> i saw "layby" as "lady"
[10:37] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:38] <shauno> this was in the states.  cruise control, no corners, 20hr round trip to go to a funeral the next state over ... so many bad choices
[10:38] <bigcalm> It was the gate area for a BT or electric building thing. That and it being a Sunday, I could have stayed there all day
[10:38] <popey> I was playing quite a bit of OpenSpades at the weekend
[10:38] <popey> That game is _awesome_
[10:38] <popey> you would like it bigcalm
[10:38] <bigcalm> popey: any screen shots?
[10:39] <popey> sure
[10:39] <popey> lemme fire it up and get better ones than the ones I previously took
[10:39] <jussi> aww, no alanbell this morning?
[10:39] <bigcalm> Okay :)
[10:43] <mapps> hmm
[10:43] <mapps> i was trying linux mint in virtual box and its freezing after i select boot
[10:44] <bigcalm> It wants you to stay with Ubuntu
[10:47] <popey> bigcalm: http://imgur.com/YL1xeAU,wDwuQ2T,KoX79pb,AeCiBXM,B0yKgFU,B0V53JW,RUF94kc,rVEfpEO,JGqeKea,f74StGy,zE81avw,pE1YMsB
[10:47] <popey> you can build and destroy, but buildings have physics, so if you take out the bottom of a building, it falls over
[10:47] <popey> see pic 2 for a building in mid collapse
[10:48] <popey> and #9 for a tree in mid collapse ☻
[10:48] <mapps> i just wanted to try it not switching to lm:)
[10:48] <jussi> popey: damn you and your fun games! :P
[10:49] <bigcalm> popey: most interesting :)
[10:49] <popey> I'd not heard of it before friday
[10:49] <popey> apparently it's an open source implementation of Ace Of Spades
[10:49] <bigcalm> Lemmy is a coder now?
[10:50] <popey> ☻
[10:51] <bigcalm> Humm. As Hayley isn't with me for the RAT. Do I still book the Monday off and drive back then, or just come home on the Sunday?
[10:52] <foobarry> native or wine atm?
[10:53] <foobarry> trying to boot a sun server running linux..
[10:53] <foobarry> root (hd1,0)                                                                     Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
[10:53] <foobarry> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-308.8.2.el5 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet
[10:53] <foobarry> crashkernel=128M@16M
[10:53] <foobarry> ��
[10:53] <foobarry> last thing i see on the console. any ideas
[10:56] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:57] <dwatkins> does it actually have a volume group to boot from, foobarry? Sounds like it's a display problem - parhaps the OS actually does boot - can you ssh into it, ping it etc.?
[10:57] <dwatkins> in my experience, linux on Sun or SGI hardware tends to have issues with displaying much more than the console.
[10:59] <foobarry> dwatkins: can't ping :(
[10:59] <foobarry> but the redirection might not be working properly
[10:59] <foobarry> and i'm not physically at screen
[11:00] <dwatkins> you might need to add a boot option to have it output to the console somewhere
[11:01] <jussi> wow, that was fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3vTjhu35hk
[11:06] <MooDoo> | count(*) |
[11:06] <MooDoo> +----------+
[11:07] <MooDoo> I hate right click in irssi
[11:07] <jussi> hehe
[11:07] <dwatkins> mine asks if I want to paste.
[11:07] <foobarry> i'm scared to try
[11:08] <foobarry> me too
[11:08] <foobarry> middle click pastes
[11:08] <foobarry> pipe 5
[11:08] <foobarry> phew
[11:08] <mapps> sweet
[11:08] <bigcalm> jussi: wow
[11:08] <dwatkins> paste_verify_line_count = 5
[11:08] <dwatkins> Ask you whether you meant to paste something if it's longer than this many lines.
[11:08] <mapps> my firefox os phgone arrived
[11:09] <dwatkins> paste_detect_time = 5msecs
[11:09] <dwatkins> Irssi will detect pastes when your input has less than this much time between lines.
[11:09] <dwatkins> those should help. http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings
[11:09] <jussi> bigcalm: pretty amazing, right?
[11:09] <bigcalm> jussi: cheeky
[11:10] <jussi> bigcalm: bet you didnt see the volvo coming back like that... :D
[11:11] <foobarry> i knew he would
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: this double screensaver thing is starting to become annoying :)
[11:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: indeed
[11:12] <foobarry> coming home on m25 last night. silver merc in outside lane driving at <65 , occasionally tapping brakes with clear road in front
[11:12] <foobarry> broke the whole motorway system
[11:12] <bigcalm> jussi: I thought he had the edge before the commentators saw it. But, no, not expected
[11:13] <foobarry> middle lane was undertaking because you couldn't do much else , and outside lane bunched up, and waiting to undertake
[11:14] <bigcalm> I love it when the hard shoulder on the M6 is opened up due to congestion. It means I get to under take everybody because so few will actually use the extra lane
[11:14] <foobarry> higher risk of punctures on hard shoulder
[11:15] <bigcalm> True
[11:15] <bigcalm> I think they keep it pretty clear though
[11:16] <foobarry> changed my headlmap bulb at weekend. although it took 15 mins, the effort involved iis ridiculous
[11:16] <foobarry> i'd rather change a keyboard in a laptop
[11:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:17] <bigcalm> I have to take a number 10 spanner to my wife's headlamps to get inside the light cluster. Most annoying
[11:18] <foobarry> fnar fnar
[11:18] <foobarry> wife's headlamps
[11:18] <bigcalm> "wife's headlamps" is not a euphemism :P
[11:18] <bigcalm> Damn, beat me to it
[11:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: what car
[11:19] <bigcalm> Limbo OST is on Spotify \o/ http://open.spotify.com/user/bigcalm/playlist/2Y6BmbitkuJ7GcJxofKvSh
[11:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: Hyundai Matrix
[11:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh well if she will go and buy these cars that aren't french :D
[11:22] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:23] <dvrr> good morning everyone
[11:23] <MooDoo> morning
[11:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: have you had to change a bulb in the back of the 407 is yours light box a pain in the neck to remove?
[11:28] <shauno> bank holiday shift .. taking the chance to get stuck into st:voyager :)
[11:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've yet to have to change any of the rear lights. Odd now that you mention it
[11:28] <MooDoo> shauno: oooo
[11:29] <foobarry> irish get a bank hol to go drinking?
[11:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: they really are a pain to remove good luck when you do ;)
[11:29] <shauno> some shows are best watched at work, because I still have 4:3 monitors
[11:29] <shauno> foobarry: it's the national holiday.  most countries take such as days off.  the UK is just odd for not having one
[11:30] <mapps> hmm
[11:30] <mapps> time to do some rowing
[11:30] <mapps> row row row the boat
[11:30] <mapps> :D
[11:30] <foobarry> i could have done with today off. weekend was too busy
[11:31] <shauno> oh I'm not off.  just much lazier because no-one else is here
[11:32] <bigcalm> shauno: don't work from home then
[11:32] <shauno> nope :(  but still not sure I'd have the discipline for that
[11:33] <bigcalm> shauno: if you ever do, I suggest watching a short video by Michel and Webb
[11:34] <bigcalm> Erm, Mitchell & Webb
[11:37] <davmor2> shauno: it's fine if you have a dedicated office.  That is then then work room effectively, outside of that room you are at home inside you are at the office ;)
[11:42] <popey> ooh https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1206403106/chaos-reborn-from-the-creator-of-the-original-x-co
[11:47] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm, MartijnVdS: do you guys remember a game called chaos engine?  that was a fun game :)
[11:48] <popey> nope
[11:48] <davmor2> wow according to wikipedia it was published for linux too
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: it's another microprose game I had it on the amiga
[11:49] <popey> i was too poor to have an amiga ☻
[11:50] <davmor2> popey: I only had an amiga second hand from a friend when they moved onto the pc :)
[11:52] <shauno> more fool them, amiga>pc!  (for certain timeframes)
[11:54] <davmor2> oh it's in steam
[12:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: no
[12:33] <bigcalm> I had a BBC Micro -> Acorn Archimedes -> PC. Didn't get to play many fun games
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> lots of AMAZING spreadsheets though
[12:36] <Dave2> BBC Micro had plenty of fun games
[12:36] <Dave2> And with the Archimedes you were part of the future, running the first ARM processor. That's clearly worth more than some games.
[12:38] <popey> speaking of which...
[12:39] <popey> https://archive.org/details/computermagazines
[12:42]  * bigcalm drags himself out of the time eating hole
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: and yet you are still on the internet :P
[12:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: wouldn't have a job without it :)
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[12:49] <mapps> hmm hope they dont take too long with my passport/eject it
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> mapps: what are you doing with it?
[12:49] <mapps> enewing it
[12:49] <mapps> but
[12:49] <mapps> well
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> mapps: your "r" seems broken
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> ish
[12:50] <mapps> replacing i lost it at manchester airport after holland;(
[12:50] <mapps> but thing is...it says to send 2 photos and they can be a minimum of x by y ..so i cut mine and theyre a bit bigger than the guideline dimensions
[12:50] <mapps> im hoping they cut them to size ..it just specified a min..i kept within that
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> mapps: here, we have to go to special certified passport photogs
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> mapps: who give you a set that will work (or your money back/a free replacement)
[12:51] <mapps> i got them done at the photo machine but it prints 5 in a block so u cut them out..and i did but yea i just cut the white and made sure its not below the min - so i figure should be ok?
[12:52] <mapps> sounded like aslong as they aent too small its fine..to big o too much white and they can cut down?
[12:52] <mapps> well i hope so anyway
[12:52] <jussi> mapps: usually they have a overlay for size/head size etc
[12:53] <mapps> yea , thats what iu thought so its just dont make them smaller than this size
[12:53] <mapps> bit bigger is oke
[12:53] <jussi> I thought the other way....
[12:53] <mapps> but it says a mnimum surely itd say a maximum else
[12:54] <mapps> gonna try and go to 4 euro places spain/germany/ and dunno paris and somewhere wanna see Bacelona v someone..cant remember who ..but tickets are 160 euros!!!
[12:54] <mapps> 160 euros is outrageous
[12:56] <mapps> its like 50 quid for a prem game..paid 40 euros to see Utrecht
[12:56] <mapps> but i guess barcelona have a huge following
[12:58] <jussi> barca is really expensive to go see
[12:58] <jussi> I tried last time I was there
[12:58] <jussi> Nou camp is an amazing place, shame it was so damn expensive that I didnt get to go
[13:01] <mapps> you can go on a tour round it
[13:01] <mapps> is that also expensive?
[13:01] <mapps> bayern was expensive too..looked at Bayern Munich v Dortmund i think that was 80 euros? way more than i expected
[13:01] <mapps> the flights are cheaper!
[13:02] <mapps> just feels like you're being totally ripped off when its that expensive
[13:03] <mapps> ive heard paris is really really expensive too
[13:03] <jussi> mapps: Marseille is for you IMHO.
[13:03] <jussi> decent team, decent prices
[13:06] <mapps> the area isnt a ripoff too?
[13:06] <mapps> where have you been to around europe?
[13:09] <jussi> mapps: too many places to list, including germany, austria, belgium, france, italy, spain, Uk Finland, sweden, Estonia..... and more
[13:10] <shauno> scandanavia looks really expensive :/
[13:11] <jussi> shauno: it can be... depends how you go about it
[13:19] <foobarry> 5,286,940k .. what chrome is using
[13:24] <foobarry> what does background app mean? gmail is using 1.5gb
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: in which context
[13:25] <mapps> yea ive heard denmark etc cost a fortune
[13:25] <foobarry> about:memory
[13:26] <foobarry> list of tabs
[13:26] <foobarry> it had a pid which i killed and chrome popped up a balloon
[13:26] <foobarry> but unsure how to close background apps
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1184722?hl=en
[13:28] <foobarry> thx.
[13:28] <foobarry> 1gb a tad exesssive
[13:28] <foobarry> 1.5gb
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> why?
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> It's a full-featured email client, contact manager and task list management app
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> with a fair bit of your mail pre-cached
[13:32] <foobarry> thunderbird is using a lot less
[13:32] <shauno> not sure I'd call thunderbird full-featured :/
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it may not have cached as much -- disk access is orders of magnitude faster than web access
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: also, Tbird *eats* RAM usually, like firefox
[13:41] <foobarry> adblock is chomping 200M too
[13:43] <popey>  4862 alan      20   0 3190216 1.172g  45824 S   9.3  7.5 192:50.11 chromium-browse
[13:44] <popey> tweetdeck
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> is it all in use though
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> or is it just the malloc()ed bit
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> some of it never touched
[13:44] <foobarry> mine was, that was the prob
[13:44] <foobarry> used all my 8gb RAM and 4GB swap
[13:44] <popey> i just closed the tab and re-opened it
[13:44] <foobarry> most of it chrome
[13:45] <foobarry> popey: is it a bground task?
[13:45] <popey> how can you tell?
[13:45] <popey> killed G+ too and re-opened, better
[13:46] <popey> now I'm just left with the main browser process eating
[13:46] <popey>  4715 alan      20   0 3630952 540008  45736 S   2.0  3.3 436:29.88 chromium-browse
[13:46] <foobarry> task manager in settings says "background task"
[13:46] <popey> no idea what task manager that is
[13:47] <foobarry> sorry, chrome - settings
[13:47] <foobarry> similar from (ium too
[13:47] <popey> i have no task manager in settings in chromium
[13:47] <foobarry> under tools ->
[13:47] <foobarry> shift escape
[13:48] <popey> aha, tools, not settings
[13:49] <popey> none are background
[15:35] <bigcalm> What's missing from this list? http://www.onenote.com/ :(
[15:35] <nigelb> Well, it *is* a microsoft product...
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> google keep works OK for me.
[15:37] <bigcalm> All devices is a lie
[15:37] <bigcalm> !rat | TheOpenSourcerer
[15:38] <bigcalm> ;)
[15:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - Thanks bigcalm
[15:40]  * bigcalm tickles czajkowski
[15:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Booked :-D
[15:44] <popey> \o/
[15:45] <bigcalm> Yay :)
[15:45] <bigcalm> Whom else do we need to tickle about this?
[15:46] <popey> yay, my Stallboard app is live in the store
[15:47] <davmor2> popey: is this the amazon swindle one or another one?
[15:49] <popey> wat wat
[15:49] <bigcalm> Is there a website that lists ut apps?
[15:49] <mapps> 2nd aug is ages away!
[15:49] <bigcalm> mapps: you have to book it early, it's a popular event
[15:50] <mapps> ah
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Wack it on the Ubuntu community on G+ and/or Twitter. The more the merrier as far I'm concerned
[15:50] <mapps> i thought just about booking time off for wok
[15:50] <mapps> work
[15:50] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm surprised that nobody has retweeted me :(
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> ah - when did you tweet it then?
[15:51] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/445267305950629888
[15:51] <bigcalm> Yesterday afternoon
[15:51] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: do you know where alanbell is atm?  he is normally always online...
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi: He was in the office this morning. I'm at home today waiting for Travis Perkins
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> 0844 3576000
[15:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Should probably still be there
[15:53] <jussi> yeah, thanks
[15:53] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: ta for the tweet
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> np
[15:59] <jussi> I think I should repeat this here also, as you might all get a laugh...
[15:59] <jussi> saw soemthing funny on FB today.... " this was my 9th date with my girlfriend and we went to see batman. The current date history goes like this: Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Dinner, Batman"
[16:00] <mapps> lol
[16:00] <ball> It's time to install NetBSD 6.1.3 on this laptop's new hard disk.
[16:00] <ball> (the old disk failed)
[16:00] <ball> oops, that's completely meant for another channel.
[16:02] <Dave2> you're not allowed to talk about non-ubuntu in here
[16:02] <Dave2> it ruins the atmosphere
[16:03] <ball> It makes me happy that one of my colleagues has an Ubuntu Server book on his desk.
[16:03] <mapps> haha
[16:03] <mapps> :)
[16:04] <davmor2> ball: that's only any good if he uses it :)
[16:05] <ball> I should ask him whether he has an Ubuntu Server VM somewhere.
[16:06] <BigRedS> is netbsd somewhere near workable as a desktop now?
[16:08] <mapps> i thought openbsd and netbsd are just for servers
[16:09] <ball> BigRedS: I've started fights in #netbsd before by asserting that it's essentially a server OS.
[16:10] <ball> You can run desktops on it but people expect things from a desktop OS that NetBSD doesn't usually provide.
[16:10] <ball> (e.g. WiFi, Adobe Flash etc.)
[16:11] <BigRedS> ball: yeah, like it always was :)
[16:11] <BigRedS> There was a bsd-for-the-desktop distro (pc-bsd?) and I wondered if any of the other bsds had taken it upon themselves to more completely package a desktop
[16:12] <BigRedS> I've not really looked at bsd since it was only a little bit less desktop friendly than linux
[16:12] <ball> BigRedS: It's interesting that PC-BSD exists but I don't think the NetBSD people feel any great pressure to replicate that.
[16:13] <BigRedS> Ah, I meant take-the-best-bits rather than rework. But, yeah, it's never really been much of a focus for any bsd
[16:13] <ball> I like Xubuntu for desktops and BSD for servers (or unix if it's bigger than a PC server can handle comfortably).
[16:13] <BigRedS> XFCE and BSD? You're that fond of the '90s? :)
[16:14] <ball> BigRedS: Xfce4 seems less broken than Unity.
[16:14] <ball> ...and there's less of a learning curve for XP users.
[16:14] <diddledan> http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-the-uk-lost-the-%20broadband-race-in-1990-1224784
[16:15] <BigRedS> Oh, of course. But Unity's basically now an illustration of JWZ's CADT more than an attempt at a workable desktop I think
[16:15] <diddledan> yey for non-technical folk making technical decisions
[16:15] <BigRedS> which might just be me being interested in all the 'wrong' sorts of bug @)
[16:15] <ball> I don't know what a JWZ or CADT is.
[16:15] <BigRedS> jwz is an angry ex-mozilla developer who now runs a nightclub
[16:15] <BigRedS> er, ex-netscape
[16:16] <BigRedS> http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
[16:16] <ball> I try Ubuntu about once every year to see whether they've fixed Unity.
[16:16] <ball> ...then I go back to Xubuntu.
[16:17] <foobarry> elementary ftw
[16:17] <BigRedS> haha, I use Unity at work and it's fairly usable. I've crunchbang on my laptop because fluxbox hasn't broken indicators
[16:17] <BigRedS> and, basically, the three things I require from my DE are working alerts when I get IMs, multiple workspaces and alt-tab
[16:17] <ball> I tend to use Blackbox on NetBSD, though I've used Xfce4 there experimentally too.
[16:18] <ball> I don't think I've ever got Gnome to work there and KDE is of no interest to me.
[16:18] <BigRedS> I used to use vanilla *box but I could never be arsed to configure it
[16:18] <BigRedS> haha, I did a try-all-the-DEs as gnome 2.x's EOL was announced
[16:19] <BigRedS> and realised that most are/were horrendous
[16:19] <ball> BigRedS: On mine it's just a single flat text file to edit to fix everyone's menu.
[16:19] <ball> Customised menus might be more difficult but that hasn't come up.
[16:20] <BigRedS> my biggest problem was my laziness meaning I didn't have a working 'shutdown' button
[16:20] <BigRedS> so I'd just use the shell. And sometimes I'd use the wrong shell and enter 'poweroff' into an ssh session
[16:23] <ball> Ouch. Yes, you'd want to be careful with that, especially on a shared host.
[16:25] <daftykins> XD
[16:25] <ball> Thinking about it that was on my list of things to check: how to grey out the Shutdown button
[16:25] <hazrpg> ball: doh, I missed something, be careful with what?
[16:25] <ball> (on Xfce)
[16:27] <mapps> i use xfce or lxde
[16:28] <mapps> umm
[16:28] <shauno> I'll never figure out why amazon refuse to deliver so many products from uk to ireland :/
[16:28] <mapps> ball why is bsd better for servers than linux? sorry if its obvious
[16:30] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qxle0wmyrqksxx/IMG_20140317_161101.jpg
[16:30] <daftykins> setting this up today :>
[16:30] <daftykins> Lenovo X240 - i5-4300U based \o/
[16:30] <davmor2> shauno: have you ever thought that they might just hate you?
[16:30] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[16:30] <shauno> it's crossed my mind more than once
[16:30] <daftykins> shauno: lots of stuff won't come to the Channel Islands either, such as if it contains a battery
[16:31] <daftykins> i can't buy UPSs from amazon =|
[16:31] <davmor2> shauno: Possibly and issue with customs difference maybe?
[16:31] <shauno> right now, it's soldering iron tips.  they're either shipping from china in ~3 weeks, or they're mainland sellers that can't ship to ireland
[16:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka
[16:32] <mapps> or anyone that has an answer
[16:32] <ball> mapps: It's better for me on servers than Linux because I don't know how to use Linux.
[16:33] <ball> I mean, I can poke my way around on Xubuntu as a desktop but I'm lost when I have to use a Linux server.
[16:33] <ball> I should probably buy a book or something.
[16:34] <daftykins> just do what i did, give yourself a server orientated task to learn, then get cracking
[16:34] <daftykins> you'll catch on pretty quick if you're comfortable on the command line and good with file management
[16:34] <daftykins> my #1 task was to play with setting up a web server from home
[16:34] <shauno> on the other hand, bsd is near-useless for me on servers for exactly the same reason :)
[16:34] <ball> daftykins: I would but I'm usually too busy.
[16:34] <daftykins> ah
[16:34] <ball> daftykins: Are you in the Channel Islands?
[16:35] <daftykins> yes sir, Guernsey
[16:35] <ball> I loved Guernsey
[16:35] <daftykins> an island which has a retarded government about to introduce a tax similar to VAT
[16:35] <daftykins> *commences high volume obscenity screaming toward the States of Guernsey*
[16:35] <ball> I've been there a few times, the first when I was twelve and sailed from Dartmouth to St. Peter Port in a Force 9 gale.
[16:35] <MooDoo> daftykins: you suck ;)
[16:36] <daftykins> MooDoo: D:
[16:36] <ball> daftykins: Will it be 25%?
[16:36] <daftykins> ball: :D nice
[16:36] <daftykins> nah 5%
[16:36] <davmor2> daftykins: man another reason not to go :D
[16:36] <ball> daftykins: That's not too bad then.
[16:36] <daftykins> but the thing is, we have access to a direct case study of how good it is to implement - over on Jersey that've had it since ~2007 - they *regret* it
[16:37] <daftykins> it's going to cost as much to implement and run as the tax brings in
[16:37] <daftykins> i'm so livid about their level of idiocy i might have to take one of diddledan's sedatives
[16:37] <daftykins> anyway hardly channel topic - so i shall hush :)
[16:41] <ball> I should probably do the same about BSD then.
[16:42] <daftykins> nah that's as close to on-topic as we ever get :D
[16:42] <diddledan> BSD is pretty decent
[16:42] <ball> ...except to say that the FreeBSD people would probably cite ZFS as an advantage of FreeBSD on servers. I haven't used FreeBSD in recent years so I can't vouch for that myself.
[16:42] <ball> ...but I'm aware of ZFS as a potentially useful thing for file servers.
[16:42] <mapps> ahh ok thanks ball i just wondered im sure ive heard people say how bsd is better as servers but beyond the you know bsd and not linux ..wonder what other reasons
[16:42] <diddledan> ZFS is supposedly the saviour of all mankind
[16:43] <mapps> i tried freebsd many years back on like a p166 so that tells you how long ago
[16:43] <ball> mapps: Stability perhaps.
[16:43] <shauno> personally, I think there's a default assumption that bsd must be for servers because you'd be crazy to use it for anything else
[16:43] <ball> shauno may have a point.
[16:43] <ball> brb, moar coffee/
[16:44] <diddledan> if you only use the ports system then bsd on the server is no more friendly than gentoo
[16:44] <diddledan> compile all the things
[16:44] <diddledan> luckily they do make binpkgs of some stuff
[16:46] <diddledan> but pfsense and freenas are pretty awesome variants
[16:47] <mapps> thanks
[16:47] <diddledan> it annoys me, however, that pfsense can't do failover unless you have multiple public ip addresses and the two systems' public interfaces somehow tied to one-another
[16:48] <mapps> hm heard of ports dunno what it is
[16:48] <mapps> not easier than compiling by source?
[16:50] <ball> The ports collection is what FreeBSD and perhaps OpenBSD call their collection of packages.
[16:50] <ball> NetBSD call theirs pkgsrc.
[16:50] <ball> (though pkgsrc is designed to be portable to other systems)
[16:51] <ball> I build packages from source because pkgsrc makes that easy, if not exactly quick.
[16:51] <ball> There are binary packages too but I think they're more awkward to use.
[16:56] <ball> hello ahayzen
[16:57] <ahayzen> ball, o/
[17:53] <mapps> ugh
[17:53] <mapps> boring walk to the supermarket done
[17:53] <mapps> ;]
[17:54] <mapps> ball so if ports is fbsds package system isnt that easier than from source
[17:55] <ball> Possibly on FreeBSD. I don't use that so I couldn't say.
[17:55] <mapps> ah ok sorry
[18:02] <mapps> so will there be anything good on tv tonight
[18:02] <mapps> i say...unlikely
[18:03] <daftykins> heh, TV good
[18:03] <daftykins> silly mapps ;)
[18:04] <mapps> :)
[18:04] <daftykins> i'm really enjoying House of Cards so far
[18:04] <daftykins> that netflix series with Kevin Spacey
[18:22] <ball> Is that an American remake of the U.K. one?
[18:23] <diddledan> ball: yes
[18:25] <davmor2> so not as good then /me dives in the bunker
[18:27] <ball> davmor2: That's usually the way.
[18:30] <daftykins> well, it's spun out longer, as is tradition for US TV
[18:30] <daftykins> *but* it's sufficiently not about US politics that even i'm enjoying it
[18:30] <daftykins> so it can't be bad :D
[18:31] <daftykins> not seen the original UK version
[18:37] <ball> Fortunately the local PBS stations play quite a bit of U.K. telly.
[18:38] <ball> Not that I watch much telly.
[18:41] <daftykins> :)
[18:44] <mapps> not seen either
[18:44] <mapps> how far through are you daftykins
[18:45] <mapps> heard it is mad good yea - thats on my list to watch sometime..i tend to go through loadsa eps at once
[18:45] <daftykins> mapps: only about a third of season 1
[18:45] <mapps> il have done arrow s1 soon..23 eps in 3-4days;p
[18:45] <mapps> aha
[19:01] <ali1234> is there a quick way to delete a lot of spam tweets after hackers steal your twitter password?
[19:02] <mapps> hmm
[19:03] <mapps> not as far as im aware not though the site anyway 3d party app ..maybe
[19:04] <daftykins> ali1234: have you been scuppered? D:
[19:05] <ali1234> no, i don't use twitter
[19:05] <directhex> # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 7 commits.
[19:07] <daftykins> directhex: the artist formerly known as ye olde steamose?
[19:07] <directhex> daftykins, yes!
[19:07] <daftykins> :O
[19:08] <directhex> commit 639a6cad7f18d13d60c96911ddfc518b6c1dbe00
[19:08] <directhex> Author: Jo Shields <directhex@apebox.org>
[19:08] <directhex> Date:   Mon Mar 17 18:55:54 2014 +0000
[19:08] <directhex>     Ye Olde SteamOSe is now XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Rename references in gen.sh
[19:09] <directhex> am preparing one mega git push
[19:09] <directhex> will likely be on wednesday at this rate
[19:09] <daftykins> hehehe
[19:11] <directhex> release plan 1: prepare an installer which works *great* on dmraid (for dual-booting properly with windows raid users)
[19:11] <directhex> release plan 2: prepare new website
[19:11] <directhex> release plan 3: begin seeding via trusted seeder network
[19:12] <directhex> release plan 4: record a series(!) of tutorial videos, making XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX the best documented way to install SteamOS
[19:12] <directhex> release plan 5: git push --all
[19:12] <directhex> release plan 6: announce
[19:12] <directhex> also, amend #1 to include "works on radeon 4000 series"
[19:13] <directhex> 1 is totally blocked right now on real test hardware
[19:14] <directhex> so i'm gonna work on 2 until then
[19:14]  * popey wonders what the ATI card he has is
[19:15] <directhex> maybe even pieces of 4 aren't blocking
[19:18] <popey> well, i cant even find the amazon or ebuyer order I thought I had got it from
[19:19] <directhex> i ordered one off ebay
[19:19] <popey> suppose i could turn this pc on and find out
[19:19] <directhex> i've basically spent every penny of YOS donations, plus £5 of my own money, on my test bed
[19:22] <daftykins> hehe
[19:22] <daftykins> that's dedication!
[19:23] <daftykins> off to eat and what not, ttfn \o
[19:24] <directhex> should be getting a bunch of it tomorrow
[19:26] <mapps> hm
[19:26] <mapps> the twins from the following well the 1 guy that plays both
[19:26] <mapps> from same place as me and went to the same school!
[19:26] <mapps> didnt know him..prob 3-4yrs younger
[19:26] <mapps> still kinda neat
[19:29] <directhex> case/psu should arrive tomorrow from scan, according to txt from dpd
[19:30] <mapps> what you building
[19:31] <directhex> mapps, an old pc
[19:32] <directhex> radeon should show up tomorrow too, rmsd
[19:32] <directhex> mobo/cpu/ram are in myhermes limbo right now, so glob knows when they'll show
[19:56] <directhex> i lied btw, it's mostly mono money not steamos money
[20:07] <popey> haha, i just booted my old pc with the ati card
[20:08] <popey> boots into ye olde steam os
[20:08] <popey> not used this in a while!
[20:08] <popey> hm, whats the username /password for the desktop account?
[20:09] <popey> ah yes, desktop/desktop
[20:09] <popey> so this thing has a Radeo HD 5450/6350 according to lspci
[20:24] <directhex> 5000 series is supported by fglrx
[20:25] <directhex> i already have a spare 5450, but i need to help debug working on older cards
[20:25] <directhex> lots of grumpy people with high end 4000 series on steam forums