[06:02] <mapps> morning
[06:17] <Myrtti> moin
[06:42] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:45] <mapps> hey MooDoo / Myrtti
[06:45] <MooDoo> :D
[08:56] <directhex> my old crap radeon is here
[08:57] <MooDoo> directhex: say hello to it for me ;)
[08:57] <directhex> the motherboard/cpu/ram it needs are stuck in myhermes limb ¬_¬
[08:57] <directhex> limbo
[09:01] <mapps> morning directhex
[09:01] <mapps> 2 broke girls is so good
[09:01] <mapps> :D
[09:01] <directhex> it sucks, but not as much as Rules Of Engagement
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> mapps: they can't even afford a cup?
[09:01] <bashrc_> morning
[09:01] <BigRedS> :(
[09:02] <Myrtti> tsk.
[09:02] <directhex> which is a terrible show about a misogynist, a harpy, a rapist, a wet noodle, some chick, and tim nice but dim
[09:02] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: said is a disaproving tone ;)
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: :)
[09:03] <mapps> pff directhex seriously..2 broke girls is so funny
[09:03] <mapps> max is hilarious
[09:03] <mapps> and rules of engagement..uuuuh i loved that too lol
[09:03] <mapps> MartijnVdS tsk tsk
[09:14] <BigRedS> They both work for in-the-background telly, like how i met your mother and big bang theory
[09:15] <BigRedS> not sure I'd turn on the tv specifically for any of them, but I am very bad at watching TV
[09:15] <mapps>  http://ladydinahs.com
[09:16] <BigRedS> I was disappointed to find it wasn't a 'cat cafe' in the sense that you eat the cats
[09:16] <mapps> heh
[09:16] <mapps> its not open yet anyway else id go today;/
[09:17]  * DJones writes an appeal letter against a private car park "fine" for a tyre fitters van using a hotel car park to park up in it so that the driver could repair the broken down coach parked in the car park dropping off hotel residents
[09:17] <mapps> been falling asleep at like 10pm..getting up at 5/6am yet my trains at 21;40 tonight! gonna have to get a nap before
[09:18] <mapps> dont wanna fall asleep on the train :D
[09:19] <BigRedS> DJones: I thought it was generally best practice to simply ignore those? Rather than lend credibility by appealing
[09:19] <foobarry> doesn't matter, they just don't tend to pursue them
[09:19] <foobarry> especially if you have a case
[09:19] <mapps> they fined the tyre fitters van
[09:19] <mapps> uh
[09:19] <mapps> these people are parasites
[09:19] <foobarry> they "invoiced" them.
[09:20] <DJones> BigRedS: Probably is, but these people need to know they're plonkers
[09:20] <mapps> like the old wheel clamping thought they were gonna make it illegal but like eveything else they say by 2020 or something
[09:20] <foobarry> they don't have power to fine.
[09:20] <mapps> yep
[09:20] <mapps> thats true
[09:20] <mapps> only councils and gov do
[09:20] <foobarry> still lots of unhappy aldi customers
[09:20] <mapps> but people dont know this and they feel they have to pay and get pressured
[09:20] <foobarry> because parking eye are a bit zealous
[09:21] <mapps> the gov said this would all be illegal and be dealt with..but as i say they said by 2015 or something..
[09:21] <mapps> companies have made millions out of these fines and that;/
[09:22] <popey> we once got clamped, took the clamp off the car by letting the tyre down, left it on their doorstep, phoned the clamping company who wanted to take us to court for damaging their clamp, we pointed out we didn't damage it... "oh"
[09:22] <popey> "goodbye"
[09:23] <mapps> popey is it really that simple? let the tyre down, take off..pump tyre back up?
[09:23] <mapps> id never thought of that..I don't have a car though but still
[09:23] <popey> thats what we did
[09:23] <mapps> nice
[09:23] <popey> had to get spanner in behind the clamp to undo the nuts
[09:23] <popey> this was ~20 years ago though
[09:23] <jussi> popey: very cool :D
[09:24] <mapps> showed them:)
[09:24] <jussi> Ive seen dome innovative unclamping when I was in dublin...
[09:25] <mapps> i had ntl hassle me for money when i lived in Portsmouth..id finished uni wanted to cancel they said no..the sales guy said it was a 10month contract (ok id never heard of such a thing) sure enough when i phone up they say its 12
[09:25] <popey> there was a guy at an airport who drove a van down a line of parked cars, and friend hung out the back angle grinding the padlocks off all the clamps
[09:25] <mapps> but i never SIGNED anything..so i ignored the letters and nothing happened:)
[09:25] <mapps> lol nice
[09:27] <foobarry> u get bad credit though with ntl/virgin
[09:27] <foobarry> virgin stole off me :(
[09:28] <mapps> ah yea i wondered that
[09:28] <mapps> but
[09:28] <mapps> it was 7/8 years ago foobarry and it changed from ntl to virgin
[09:28] <mapps> would it even matter now?
[09:28] <foobarry> i phoned in advance to give notice of cancellation and they claimed i never did
[09:28] <mapps> cant remember if they sent any letters to my home address..but my dad has virgin here
[09:29] <foobarry> so they threatened lawyers and got angry
[09:29] <mapps> he deff said 10months thats what irritated me..and i clearly wouldnt be there fo 12months..
[09:29] <mapps> having never signed anything what can they do?
[09:29] <foobarry> and to minimise the stress they were causing we agreed to split the difference. even though they were in the wrong. and i decided i would never use virgin again
[09:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:29] <mapps> hey bigcalm
[09:30] <mapps> we cancelled vm went with bt ftc
[09:30] <mapps> then went back to vm but also kept bt
[09:30] <mapps> and tbh vm seems faster than bt most the time to me?
[09:30] <DJones> Funniest clamping episode I saw was when I worked in Altrincham, a car parked in a railway carpark had its drivers side front wheel clamped, what the clamper didn't spot was that the car was jacked up on the passenger side and both wheels had been removed after punctures caused by driving over spilled nails in the carpark, in the end it was cancelled and the car park owner had to pay for two new tyres
[09:30] <mapps> it does irritate me a lot during the day though 400-500ks;/ at night 5-6mbs?! like what the hell
[09:30] <mapps> and BTs rubbish during the day too
[09:33] <bashrc> my needs for bandwidth are not extensive
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Biodiesel Day! :-D
[09:38] <mapps> morning james_w
[09:38] <mapps> JamesTait even;p
[09:38] <MooDoo> hello JamesTait
[09:39] <JamesTait> mapps, MooDoo: o/
[09:49] <hoover> morning all
[09:49] <MooDoo> morning hoover
[09:50] <hoover> Hi MooDoo
[09:51] <hoover> I need a little help with procmail, is it ok to ask here?
[09:53] <MooDoo> You can ask and if someone knows they will help, but also #ubuntu might be a good place as well.  If people don't answer don't be offended, it's either they are busy or just don't know :D
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:55] <hoover> That's ok thanks MooDoo
[09:55] <hoover> morning brobostigon
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[09:56] <hoover> I need a recipe to add a custom header to an email and then send the mail to a few recipients
[10:02] <mapps> a bash script?
[10:06] <hoover> mapps: procmail
[10:07] <hoover> I've tried formail -A, but I'm a bit anxious about >>ing to a live mailbox
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> hoover: that's why you use maildir
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> every message its own file!
[10:10] <hoover> Basically I need to add a custom header if it doesn't already exist and then forward the message to a list of addresses
[10:20] <mapps> gonna be so tired later..getting up early sucks
[10:21] <MooDoo> mapps: what time and unless it's earlier than 5:30 it's not early ;)
[10:21] <mapps> well MooDoo ive been going sleep 10/1030 getting up ~530-6ish
[10:21] <mapps> but
[10:21] <mapps> i work nights and im back in work thursday!!!!
[10:21] <mapps> so gotta switch back to nights
[10:21] <MooDoo> ah
[10:22] <mapps> else il be bloody knackered come 3am at work when ive been sleeping at 10am
[10:22] <mapps> also my trains at 21;50 tonight..lol and ive been sleeping at 10:P
[10:23] <mapps> dont wanna fall asleep on the train really
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:04] <mapps> morning Dave2
[11:04] <mapps> davmor2
[11:04] <mapps> gah
[11:04] <Dave2> :(
[11:04] <mapps> morning Dave2 too :P
[11:04] <mapps> didnt see you speak though..wake you up did i heh
[11:04] <MooDoo> moring davmor2
[11:11] <DJones> Anybody able to check something for me, if you press the shutdown button, you get the reboot/shutdown buttons coming up, is the shutdown button highlighted so you can read the text, or do you have to hover the mouse over it
[11:14] <mapps> i can on lubuntu if thats any good
[11:14] <DJones> No, I was just trying to check something on a default Ubuntu install
[11:15] <DJones> But thanks for the offer
[11:15] <mapps> ah ok
[11:15] <mapps> :)
[11:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka how's life
[11:20] <bigcalm> DJones: in 13.10 - shutdown is highlighted and the text is visible. Restart is not highlighted and the text is not visible. Hovering over one or the other then shows the related text
[11:21] <DJones> bigcalm: Thanks, I think its changed for 14.04, wasn't sure whether the text was still visible
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah ok thanks :) nothing special, you?
[11:22] <DJones> It was prompted by somebody suggesting that the text for both buttons wasn't visible until you hovered the mouse over them, in which case, how would a touchscreen user know what each button did before pressing it (assuming the button icon wasn't obvious enough)
[11:24] <popey> DJones: yes, i can read the text
[11:25] <DJones> popey: Thanks, to me it seems obvious anyway from the buttons, but somebody in +1 thought it might be a problem on a touchscreen machine unless they also used the mouse
[11:25] <bigcalm> DJones: if neither button is highlighted, then there is no text. But, on my 13.10 desktop, the shutdown is highlighted by default
[11:26]  * bigcalm goes to find his laptop
[11:27] <DJones> bigcalm: Neither button hilighted with no text was the issue that was being queried, if you can't mouseover to hilight, how do you know what the button does
[11:31] <bigcalm> DJones: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/2014-03-18%2011.29.06.jpg
[11:32] <bigcalm> DJones: that's 14.04. With nothing highlighted (having pressed the laptop's power button)
[11:32] <popey> DJones: good point
[11:32] <bigcalm> I couldn't do a screenshot of the shutdown options :(
[11:33] <bigcalm> Yes, it's relying upon the icons being interpreted as the designer expects
[11:33] <DJones> popey: May be worth just having a look at the scrollback in +1 for the last 15 minutes, that was what prompted the question, their suggestion was to have the text showing under the buttons all the time
[11:33] <DJones> bigcalm: Thanks, btw, that screen is pretty good mirror
[11:34] <bigcalm> ;)
[11:34] <mapps> urgh
[11:34] <mapps> why do betfair always update the app
[11:34] <mapps> they update it and its worse
[11:35] <bigcalm> DJones: I think Zz would be more informative than a clock for sleep
[11:35] <DJones> Maybe a pillow
[11:35] <popey> bigcalm: scrot -d 5
[11:35] <bigcalm> popey: ?
[11:35] <popey> 11:32:49 < bigcalm> I couldn't do a screenshot of the shutdown options :(
[11:35] <bigcalm> Ah, okay, ta
[11:35] <popey> scrot -d 5, then open the dialog and wait 5 seconds
[11:35] <popey> scrot ftw
[11:35] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[11:36] <bigcalm> Indeed, I'll try to remember it
[11:39] <bigcalm> mapps: maybe you can place bets on the usability of their app
[11:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: what you done to your car now?
[11:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: this, it would seem: http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/407-41/multi-failures-stop-brake-malfunction-etc-15303/
[11:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: after parking and turning the engine off, the power steering kept on running (wining noise). That'll be why people got flat batteries. I disconnected the battery and reconnected - all errors gone and car works again.
[11:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: I should also note that the turbo didn't work at all while the car had this problem last night. The power cycle fixed that as well. Most strange
[11:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: maybe time to change the battery?
[11:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: car is due a service this week coincidently, so will get them to check a lot of things
[11:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: maybe
[11:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: also ug doesn't follow do, ra does :P
[11:59] <Myrtti> the mistake is in getting a peugeot
[11:59] <Myrtti> French cars are a bad idea.
[12:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: booked in for Friday
[12:02]  * bigcalm hisses at Myrtti
[12:03] <bigcalm> I think the mistake might be having a modern car that has lots of computing things interconnected
[12:03] <bigcalm> I never had so many oddities with my 406
[12:04] <diddledan> computers in cars are a great idea - keeps your mind off of the crash you're about to incur
[12:05] <ali1234> does anyone know joomla?
[12:06] <ali1234> what is the actual difference between a component and a module?
[12:06]  * bigcalm runs away
[12:06] <ali1234> is joomla really that bad?
[12:07] <ali1234> it looks pretty bad, but i'm not sure if i just don't get it, or if it really is totally insane
[12:07] <bigcalm> I hated working with it as a developer
[12:07] <AlanBell> components are full content things that go in the middle, modules do less and go round the edge
[12:07] <davmor2> ali1234: http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?t=344599
[12:08] <ali1234> davmor2: i read that and it didn't help :(
[12:08] <bigcalm> A wee reminder :)
[12:08] <bigcalm> !rat
[12:08] <ali1234> AlanBell: supposing i want to have things in the middle of the page, and things around the edge of the page, all coming from the same custom database table. then what? how do i make a component and a module share the same model?
[12:09] <davmor2> ali1234: http://www.dart-creations.com/joomla/joomla-tutorials/the-difference-between-modules-and-components.html how about that instead
[12:09] <ali1234> davmor2: nope, that also doesn't answer my question
[12:10] <ali1234> it seems that i need to functionality of both a component (because i need a custom database model) and modules (because i want to present the DB data across multiple existing pages)
[12:10] <ali1234> in wordpress this is all done in one plugin
[12:10] <ali1234> i don't understand why it is split in joomla
[12:10] <ali1234> or can i make modules in a component?
[12:12] <AlanBell> ali1234: have a look at modules/mod_articles_category/helper.php
[12:13] <AlanBell> it includes the model from the associated component
[12:13] <AlanBell> com_content in this instance, but yours would be different
[12:14] <ali1234> so going through a model is mandatory to make this work?
[12:15] <AlanBell> erm, nothing is mandatory, you can hit the tables directly if you want to, but going through a model in the component is probably the right way to do it
[12:15] <ali1234> but if i hit the db direct in the component, then i'll have to copy paste the db code into the module?
[12:17] <AlanBell> or you hit the component with the module and the component hits the tables, but yeah, sounds about right
[12:18] <ali1234> all the documentation is terrible
[12:19] <ali1234> here is a direct quote from the developer docs: "I don't know. This is something that the gurus must answer. Where does  the display function come from? Again, I don't know. Hope that someone  else can help here. "
[12:19] <ali1234> that's not a comment. that's just written in the middle of a page that is supposed to explain how components work
[12:22] <AlanBell> heh yes
[12:23] <hoover> fixed my procmail issue, thanks all!
[12:23] <ali1234> also why is everything JControllLegacy?
[12:23] <ali1234> why do the docs tell you to use Legacy stuff? where are the docs for the not-Legacy stuff?
[12:24] <AlanBell> there was a big refactoring, to make it a lot more modern and sensible and less like old mambo
[12:25] <ali1234> i get the feeling joomla is designed to maximize consultancy revenue
[12:26] <foobarry> isn't there an xkcd about that?
[12:54] <dwatkins> I tried using joomla once, it still gives me the shivers.
[12:55] <MooDoo> I use wordpress for everything mostly, it's very very easy to setup
[12:55] <Laney> oh yay, a council tax bill
[12:56] <MooDoo> oh we had ours last week :S
[12:57] <ali1234> yeah, our current site is wordpress. the problem is that the visual design is really poor. so we got someone in to improve it and he's like "oh yeah, just switch to joomla"
[12:58] <ali1234> so we paid $30 or w/e for a template
[12:58] <ali1234> this is delivered as a zip file with a full joomla installation and the template that you just unzip
[12:59] <ali1234> it seems to be delivered this way because setting up joomla from scratch is impossible
[12:59] <Laney> 2.48 per month more
[12:59] <Laney> I can deal with that
[12:59] <ali1234> everything has to be installed though the web interface, which des not work
[12:59] <MooDoo> Laney: still sucks
[13:00] <Laney> swingeing cuts to their budget sucks more
[13:00] <BigRedS> One of my favourite things is making the web server able to write the code it will go on to execute
[13:00] <Laney> 2% is the maximum they can increase it by without having to have a referendum
[13:00] <ali1234> yes, that is actually a requirement for joomla
[13:23] <foobarry> anyone recommend a decent ISA?
[13:27] <davmor2> I'll just leave this here http://sftimes.co/?id=216&src=share_fb_new_216
[13:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh I've seen it, it's cracking
[13:28] <dwatkins> .co, davmor2? interesting
[13:29] <MooDoo> oh there are hundreds of tld now, we've just released .berlin lol
[13:29] <dwatkins> I still have to tell people not to automatically add www. to the beginning of a URL.
[13:30] <MooDoo> dwatkins: the amount of people still going to www.ubuntu.technology instead of just ubuntu.technology
[13:30] <dwatkins> indeed, MooDoo
[13:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: /me quickly registers youtakemybreathawayby.berlin
[13:30] <MooDoo> lol
[13:30] <foobarry> ichbinein.berlin
[13:30] <MooDoo> someone beat me to im2.sexy, but did you know about http://rms.sexy ?
[13:31] <MooDoo> I'll let your eyes bleed on that one
[13:31] <dwatkins> I'm going to choose to ignore that URL, thankyouverymuch ;)
[13:31] <BigRedS> .co has been around for ages; I got mine when it came out
[13:32] <BigRedS> and now I keep missing emails because people append a '.uk' when I say it to them or assume I missed an 'm' when I typed it...
[13:32] <BigRedS> 'original' TLDs are overrated
[13:32] <dwatkins> they're also confusing
[13:32] <MooDoo> there are quite a few new gtlds - https://gtld.heartinternet.co.uk/
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> moodoo.guru
[13:33] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't really like this free-for-all idea
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> bigreds.museum
[13:33] <shauno> I actually came across one in the wild today, http://ddsos.technology/ seems I can't access it from work  lol
[13:33] <dwatkins> Can I register my own, e.g. .watkins ?
[13:33] <BigRedS> I like the idea of having more geographical ones, but it seems they should also be part of the country ones - somewhere.lon.uk or somesuch
[13:33] <BigRedS> which does sound awfully 1970s...
[13:33] <MooDoo> dwatkins: no there isn't a .watkins at the moment.
[13:34] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah. you've just reminded me of the last time I had this rant in here :)
[13:34] <dwatkins> That might be confusing for a company with offices in London and Edinburgh, though, BigRedS - I'd say country-specific would be best (for the company's head office), if it were ISO 3166-compliant...
[13:35] <BigRedS> but country-specific breaks when a company has offices in paris and london
[13:35] <dwatkins> This would confuse americans, of course, as they'd all have to use .us
[13:35] <shauno> and we'd start using .gb ?
[13:35] <BigRedS> I don't advocate removing .co.uk, just adding a .lon.uk alongside it
[13:35] <dwatkins> exactly what I was just thinking, shauno :)
[13:35] <dwatkins> ...then there's .eu
[13:36] <shauno> there's a .int too.  that always causes a double-take
[13:36] <dwatkins> http://char.int/ isn't registered ;)
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> unsigned.int
[13:37] <ali1234> the website for java haters :)
[13:37] <dwatkins> max.int
[13:37] <shauno> max.int would be funny.  it should give you 32bit answers on ipv4 and 64bit answers on ipv6.
[13:37] <DJones> You'd think somebody like Linux Mint or mint finance would go for http://m.int
[13:38] <dwatkins> haha, great StackOverflow answer for max int: It's 2,147,483,647. Easiest way to memorize it is via a tattoo.
[13:38] <shauno> it's not a general-use domain.  nato, the UN etc use it
[13:38]  * dwatkins remembers 32767 being the biggest number once upon a time
[13:38] <ali1234> cute domains with .'s in them are so 2008
[13:38] <BigRedS> cr.yp.to
[13:38] <ali1234> it's all about nonsense words now
[13:39] <dwatkins> ali1234: like newsgroups such as https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die ;)
[13:39] <ali1234> dwatkins: i rather doubt anyone has posted there since the 90s...
[13:39] <dwatkins> 2013
[13:39] <ali1234> i mean real people. not spam
[13:39] <ali1234> why do people still spam usenet?
[13:39] <ali1234> it's like the spammer got jailed and the bots are still running wild
[13:40] <dwatkins> ah yes, I hadn't checked the threads themsevles
[13:40] <ali1234> remarkably they actually look like real posts, if completely crazy
[13:42] <dwatkins> something's marking some of them as SPAM
[13:42] <ali1234> i mean there must be about 100 people still actively using usenet for text discussions. it was probably never more than 10,000 at any point
[13:42] <dwatkins> I remember discussing UK sci-fi shows on usenet in 2001.
[13:42] <dwatkins> Nowadays, I imagine a majority of the data is binary on there.
[13:42] <ali1234> it always was. but yes, even more so now.
[13:42] <popey> there's a guy who keeps going on alt some os advocacy and complains about microsoft trolls
[13:42] <ali1234> well, since binary posting was invented
[13:42] <popey> always struck me as a massive waste of time
[13:43] <dwatkins> popey: indeed, popey - that's like complaining about there being geeks at a hacker convention
[13:45] <ali1234> reddit is the new usenet
[13:45] <ali1234> it's pretty much identical in every way
[13:46] <dwatkins> yeah, apart from the voting
[13:46] <dwatkins> I guess you can see a thread with a lot of comments on it in mose news clients, though.
[13:47] <ali1234> the voting doesn't even do much
[13:48] <ali1234> mainly the way threading works, the way you can't post images, and the way everyone is pseudonymous are what make it like usenet
[13:48] <ali1234> you don't get an avatar image or inline sig-image for example
[13:49] <ali1234> you can't post inline smileys
[13:49] <ali1234> all the things that make forums exceptionally irritating
[13:54] <foobarry> i don't remember journalists using usenet for most of their source material though
[14:04] <ali1234> true dat
[14:05] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26614051
[14:06] <ali1234> pretty soon algorithms will generate all news, complete with quotes pulled from twitter and facebook
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Game_(TV_story)
[14:07] <ali1234> that was simon pegg right?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> yes
[14:07] <foobarry> ali1234: like google news?
[14:07] <foobarry> or daily mail online
[14:07] <ali1234> he should have played the master
[14:07] <foobarry> peter capaldi would make a good master
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's still possible. He *is* a timelord :)
[14:08] <foobarry> i recall the popey cat image was made into a "news" story
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: Alan Rickman would make a good master.
[14:08] <foobarry> like the online news websites are just a tiwtter digest of "celebs"
[14:08] <foobarry> brian blessed = dr who, capaldi = master
[14:08] <ali1234> haha
[14:08] <foobarry> especailly since capaldi is playing cardinal richlieu
[14:09] <ali1234> mark heap as doctor who, kevin eldon as the master
[14:10] <ali1234> written by armando iannucci and directed by chris morris
[14:10] <foobarry> is kevin eldon the elven king from LOTR?
[14:10] <ali1234> no
[14:10] <foobarry> oh
[14:10] <foobarry> elrond
[14:11] <foobarry> benedict cumberpatch was destined but he did a better job of sherlock instead
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: Elrond was Agent Smith
[14:11] <foobarry> yeah,
[14:11] <popey> Kevin Eldon was hobby man
[14:12] <popey> Simon Quinlank
[14:12] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krsj2bcnRlM mark heap and kevin eldon (nsfw, swearing)
[14:12] <popey> Drink your weak lemon drink now!
[14:12] <foobarry> i don't want enough telly to have a clue what is happening right now
[14:14] <popey> it was a sketch on a programme about 20 years ago
[14:15] <popey> there were different hobbies each week with "weak lemon drink" featuring each time
[14:19] <bigcalm> Well that was a weird clip
[14:20] <foobarry> did anyone watch blue jam?
[14:20] <foobarry> or listen (was it a radio show?)
[14:20] <ali1234> no, because blue jam was a radio show :P
[14:20] <foobarry> there's a song i like that appears to be a random selection of quotes from it
[14:21] <foobarry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yFIZiNJevg
[14:45] <jussi> right bakers, I have no eggs, minimal milk but I want to bake something sweet and yummy. thoughts?
[14:45] <DJones> jussi: Flapjacks ?
[14:45] <MooDoo> http://www.yummly.com/recipes/baking-without-eggs
[14:46] <jussi> DJones: what exactly are flapjacks...
[14:46] <cocoa117_> how to find which directory have largest file count?
[14:46] <jussi> cocoa117_: open each on and manually count them :P
[14:46] <DJones> jussi: You know the stuff you find at the bottom of a budgies cage? Just add honey to that and you end up with something like http://britishfood.about.com/od/eorecipes/r/flapjack.htm
[14:46] <MooDoo> cocoa117_: du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10
[14:47] <MooDoo> top largest folders of /var for example
[14:47] <DJones> jussi: Basically, oats, butter & honey, with added fruit/chocolate etc
[14:47] <MooDoo> cocoa117_: or go to the folder and du -hsx * | sort -rh | head -10
[14:47] <jussi> DJones: British Flapjack is different to flapjack in the US which is a thick pancake. <- why I was confused
[14:47] <cocoa117_> MooDoo, thanks, you are star!!!
[14:47] <MooDoo> no worries
[14:48] <DJones> jussi: Some decent recipes here http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/flapjacks  Not something I like, but my wife loves them
[14:48] <jussi> DJones: hrr, butter running low and hunny even lower. scraping the bottom of the barrel...
[14:48] <jussi> I do have golden syrup though
[14:49] <jussi> maybe Ill have to (yet again) resort to anzac bikkies..
[14:50] <DJones> jussi: cookies? no milk or eggs needed for them
[14:50] <jussi> DJones: if I can find a way around the butter issue... oil or something... thenthey look good
[14:51] <DJones> Ah forget that, does need eggs
[14:52] <jussi> nah, anzacs dont need egs
[14:52] <jussi> eggs*
[14:53] <DJones> Don't know why, but that sounds like hardtack biscuits
[14:54] <popey> mmmm flapjack
[14:54] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[14:55] <popey> aquarius: Aaaaaaaaaalllroit!
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[14:55]  * aquarius is having computer problems :(
[14:55] <popey> uhoh
[14:56] <aquarius> machine was throwing HDD errors, so the people sent me a new SSD.
[14:56] <aquarius> have put it in; booted machine from USB
[14:56] <popey> what kind of hdd errors?
[14:56] <popey> exactly
[14:56]  * popey bets money it's not the SSD but the SATA cable at fault.
[14:57] <aquarius> So far: hung during USB "ubuntu . . . . ." boot screen needing powercycle; booted to USB desktop and hung there; hung again
[14:57] <aquarius> screen flickering to black and back again while in USB desktop
[14:57] <aquarius> I don't think it's the sata cable because the machine's locking up while I'm booted from USB, and flickering the screen on and off; I haven't done anything with the SSD yet
[14:57] <popey> heh, okay ☻
[14:58] <popey> but keep that in reserve for "I told you so" later..
[14:58] <popey> what video card does it have?
[14:58] <popey> onboard intel or a proper one?
[14:58] <aquarius> (so I probably shouldn't have complained about that to them since now I think it's not the problem... but whatever the problem was was exhibiting itself as SSD errors (and black flickering) because syslog was full of ssd errors
[14:58] <aquarius> onboard intel.
[14:58] <jussi> aquarius: did you have to send the old one back?
[14:58] <aquarius> machine just hung again at ubuntu logo during usb boot :(
[14:59] <aquarius> jussi, yes :(
[14:59] <popey> what version of Ubuntu?
[14:59] <jussi> doh
[14:59] <aquarius> popey, 13.10
[14:59] <popey> what CPU?
[14:59] <aquarius> jussi, yeah, yeah, I know
[14:59] <aquarius> popey, haswell i5
[15:00] <popey> memtest?
[15:00] <aquarius> and again, hung in boot :(
[15:00] <aquarius> maybe it's memory, yeah
[15:00] <aquarius> does the usb startup disk have memtest/
[15:00] <aquarius> does the usb startup disk have memtest?
[15:00] <popey> run memtest as long as you can, yeah, i think it does
[15:00] <aquarius> the problem exhibits itself basically every time
[15:01] <popey> at the same point or random points?
[15:01] <aquarius> random points
[15:01] <popey> right, memtest first then
[15:01] <popey> eliminate that
[15:01] <aquarius> sometimes it fails in usb boot
[15:01] <aquarius> sometimes it gets to the usb desktop and locks up
[15:02] <aquarius> before I sent the SSD back it booted OK to real Ubuntu but kept throwing SSD errors in syslog
[15:02] <aquarius> (hence me thinking that the problem was the SSD)
[15:02] <aquarius> now running memtest
[15:02] <popey> tsk. should have come here and asked and I'd have told you to change the cable ㋛
[15:03]  * popey prepares invoice
[15:03] <aquarius> I do not believe that the cable can be the problem
[15:03] <popey> i thought that
[15:03] <aquarius> well, maybe that's the problem and there's another problem
[15:03] <popey> i was wrong
[15:03] <davmor2> aquarius: it can
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: You could try underclocking (or overvolting but that's worse, warranty-wise) the RAM or CPU? That can stabilize it somehow (I have an i7, slightly overclocked, but that only works because I also slightly overvolt).
[15:03] <popey> but that could be one of multiple problems
[15:03] <popey> *this* is *exactly* why I never build computers any more.
[15:03] <popey> this stupid shit happens every single time
[15:04] <aquarius> what, having a bad SSD cable might make it hang when booting from USB without touching the SSD?
[15:04] <aquarius> popey, this is why I didn't build it!
[15:04] <popey> yes, it has to initialise the drive
[15:04] <aquarius> popey, and apparently having some pros build it didn't bloody help
[15:04] <popey> even if you dont touch it, it gets powered up
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Bad cables anywhere can mess up the entire system stability
[15:04] <popey> hah, indeed
[15:04] <aquarius> am properly sad.
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: have you asked the pros :)
[15:04] <popey> I can imagine ☹
[15:04] <popey> MartijnVdS: he just did
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: the pros who built the machine in the first place, I mean
[15:05] <popey> :D I know silly ☻
[15:05] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, I explained to them that the SSD was throwing errors and, no questions asked, they sent me out a new SSD on 24-hour turnaround.
[15:05] <popey> do you recall the errors?
[15:05] <aquarius> it is not clear to me what else I can ask them -- "it fails in lots of weird ways" is not useful
[15:05] <popey> i.e. did you copy/paste them somewhere?
[15:06] <aquarius> popey, I didn't.
[15:06] <aquarius> I searched for them at the time, and found nothing hugely indicative.
[15:07] <popey> your browser history?
[15:07] <popey> aquarius: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7114528/ that kind of thing?
[15:07] <aquarius> popey, am looking in browser history ow
[15:07] <aquarius> now
[15:07] <popey> k
[15:07] <aquarius> chrome is only showing me it for today
[15:08] <davmor2> aquarius: do you have a esata lead and socket on your laptop at all?
[15:08] <aquarius> so installing an extension which apparently does better
[15:08] <aquarius> yak: skaved
[15:08] <ali1234> well there is an easy way to test
[15:08] <popey> scroll down?
[15:08] <aquarius> popey, there's "Older>"
[15:08] <ali1234> remove ssd, try to boot usb stick
[15:08] <aquarius> but it won't do back older than that
[15:08] <popey> ssd is in post
[15:08] <aquarius> ali1234, yeah, I'll try that once memtest has run for a bit
[15:08] <ali1234> i mean boot it with no fixed disk at all
[15:09] <ali1234> btw did you get your network working the other day?
[15:09] <aquarius> would having a bad sata cable which *isn't connected to a disk* be a problem?
[15:09] <popey> how much ram does it have?
[15:09] <ali1234> highly unlikely
[15:09] <popey> not really no
[15:09] <aquarius> ali1234, not really, no. The maverick laptop I was working on got rebooted and did not come back up -- it hangs with a black screen
[15:10] <aquarius> ali1234, and then using it as a wifi proxy for the main computer stopped being a big issue once the main computer stopped working itself
[15:10] <aquarius> ali1234, that's why I vanished: rebooted, and the machine didn't come back up
[15:10] <aquarius> this has been the worst week ever for computers.
[15:11] <foobarry> apart from that time somebody set off a EMP cannon from space
[15:11] <aquarius> Oh. I haven't got any history in chrome for yesterday. Presumably because it didn't get shut down right. Fantastic,
[15:11] <aquarius> thanks, chrome. throme.
[15:12] <foobarry> aquarius: killall chrome
[15:12] <popey> that seems unwise
[15:13] <aquarius> foobarry, I don't see how that will recover a bunch of history which is already lost.
[15:13] <foobarry> i had that problem
[15:13] <aquarius> Moreover, having killed chrome is what makes it lose the history, I think.
[15:13] <foobarry> it had started up without using my normal profile
[15:13] <foobarry> so close chrome and killall the background stuffs
[15:13] <foobarry> and ps -ef | grep chrome to make sure
[15:13] <foobarry> then start it
[15:14] <aquarius> foobarry, nah, it's using my correct profile. I check that a lot, because I have multiple profiles.
[15:15] <aquarius> nothing from memtest thus far, although obviously it's only been running 15 minutes.
[15:15] <aquarius> however, a thing which fails every boot in some way would, one would think, show up in memtest relatively quickly?
[15:17] <mapps> how long does a memtest take?
[15:17] <aquarius> mapps, ideally you'd leave it running for 24-48 hours
[15:17] <daftykins> depends on system spec and amount of RAM
[15:18] <daftykins> 30 mins + really for a single pass
[15:18] <aquarius> however, I don't have that long.
[15:18] <aquarius> I'll leave it to do one full pass, then after that I'll try ali1234's suggestion of disconnecting the sata cable from the ssd and booting again
[15:18] <aquarius> I shall be properly, lividly cross if there wasn't actually a problem with the SSD and I have to set everything up again for no reason
[15:19] <aquarius> but at least that'll solve the problem, if it does
[15:19] <davmor2> aquarius: can you remove the ssd from your laptop?  if so try putting that into the pc :)  ie take a known functioning ssd put it in a known non-functioning device, that should rule out the ssd as the issue
[15:19] <jussi> aquarius: and you are sure of the integrity of the USB?
[15:20] <aquarius> davmor2, the laptop doesn't have a standard ssd.
[15:20] <aquarius> jussi, it checked itself and came out OK. Moreover, I was having these problems when booted from the previous SSD with no USB included.
[15:20] <jussi> ahh fair enough
[15:20] <davmor2> aquarius: and does it have an esata port? and do you have a lead?  Ie can the laptop be used to see the ssd from the pc
[15:21] <aquarius> davmor2, I don't think it has an esata port, whatever one of those is
[15:21] <aquarius> and I doubt very much whether I have a lead for that anyway
[15:21] <davmor2> aquarius: :(
[15:21] <mapps> wow really aquarius 24-48hrs damn
[15:22] <aquarius> mapps, memory errors are *normally* rare and intermittent. So they might not show up in a half-hour run.
[15:22] <aquarius> that is one reason why I don't think I have a memory error. :)
[15:22] <mapps> yea that makes sense actually
[15:22] <mapps> thanks
[15:23] <mapps> see lenny henry says tv is too white and thats why he cant get a job LOL--he was on TV for years..could it be he justAINT FUNNY
[15:23] <mapps> he quoted miranda and its like lol..that show's horrid
[15:24] <foobarry> how many comedians from teh 80s are still on telly? kenny everett? jasper carrot?
[15:24] <foobarry> rod hull?
[15:25] <popey> Shock - different people have different tastes
[15:25] <dwatkins> Rowan Atkinson
[15:25] <popey> Miranda sells very well around the world
[15:25] <ali1234> rod hull is dead dude
[15:25] <foobarry> exactly
[15:25] <foobarry> lenny should be grateful
[15:25] <foobarry> also, he's a brummy
[15:25] <ali1234> hmm
[15:25] <foobarry> friend saw him in brum the other day
[15:25] <davmor2> aquarius: you live pretty close to moreati (Alex Wilmer) now so you could possibly get in touch with him and take the ssd to his and see if it works in one of his machines.
[15:26] <foobarry> need to be in london where stuff happens
[15:26] <aquarius> ssd ought to work: it is brand new.
[15:26] <mapps> well
[15:26] <ali1234> french and saunders were around at the same time as lenny henry started weren't they?
[15:26] <mapps> lenny was on tv for years and years
[15:26] <mapps> yea ali1234
[15:26] <ali1234> also fry and laurie
[15:26] <mapps> so i dunno why he's complaining now ..never had an issue earlier when his wife was all over tv
[15:26] <foobarry> and ben elton and alexei sayle
[15:26] <aquarius> both of whom are still on telly.
[15:26] <foobarry> i think they get into writing
[15:26] <ball_> Are French and Saunders still on telly?
[15:26] <ali1234> yeah, you don't see them on tv much, but they're writing
[15:27] <foobarry> delbert wilkins was funny when i was 10
[15:27] <mapps> and Miranda sells well? I am shocked ..maybe its just me but i thought it was one of the worst shows ever
[15:27] <jussi> my wife likes miranda... sadly...
[15:27] <ali1234> ball_: yeah dawn french is in blandings
[15:27] <mapps> lol
[15:27] <ball_> ali1234: Never heard of that one.
[15:27] <foobarry> miranda is OK, women like it, i put up with it as its better than some shows
[15:27] <ali1234> ball_: it's pg wodehouse... you know, jeeves and wooster?
[15:27] <jussi> the woman who plays miranda is also in "call the midwife"
[15:28] <ali1234> oh yeah don't forget david jason
[15:28] <davmor2> jussi: you mean Miranda ;)
[15:28] <ali1234> and nicholas lyndhurst to an extent
[15:28] <davmor2> jussi: the show is named after her :D
[15:28] <ali1234> so in summary, there's loads
[15:28] <foobarry> all london based
[15:29] <ali1234> all tv is london based
[15:29] <foobarry> sort of
[15:29] <Myrtti> Doctor Who
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who.
[15:29] <foobarry> bbc moved to salford didn't they?
[15:29] <foobarry> but the parties and agents are london based
[15:29] <mapps> i think they still operate in london too
[15:29] <ali1234> they moved a bit of it to salford
[15:29] <mapps> yea
[15:29] <ali1234> but not all bbc shows are even made by the bbc
[15:29] <foobarry> so what is lenny saying anyway?
[15:30] <foobarry> didn't he cheat on his missis too?
[15:30] <ali1234> rik mayall and adrian edmundson also on tv from time to time
[15:31] <foobarry> lenny appears on travelodge ads and he's annoying
[15:31] <popey> he's not been funny for many years.
[15:32] <foobarry> what happened to the other two from mary whitehouse exp?
[15:32] <foobarry> not baddiel/skinner
[15:32] <foobarry> also baddiel isn't funny either
[15:32] <foobarry> nor skinner anymore but is fair host of room101
[15:32] <foobarry> punt and dennis
[15:32] <ali1234> hugh dennis is on mock the week
[15:33] <foobarry> and loads of stuff actually
[15:33] <foobarry> outnumbered
[15:33] <ali1234> and they both have a show on radio 4
[15:33] <foobarry> i'm thinking of someone else
[15:33] <ali1234> also skinner was not in mary whitehouse experience, it was rob newman
[15:33] <foobarry> rob whitehouse?
[15:33] <foobarry> yeah
[15:33] <ali1234> he's still doing (very weird) standup
[15:33] <foobarry> with long hair?
[15:33] <ali1234> yes
[15:33] <foobarry> 90s throwback
[15:34] <foobarry> most people are not funny if they go to states
[15:34] <foobarry> lee evans in a good example
[15:34] <foobarry> russell beard. not sure if he is supposed to be funny though
[15:35] <ali1234> apparently vic reeves first tv appearence was in 1986
[15:35] <foobarry> mike from the young ones
[15:36] <foobarry> nigel planer only every appears as someone on midsomer murders
[15:36] <foobarry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_television_sketch_shows
[15:36] <foobarry> hale and pace - good riddance
[15:36] <ali1234> hahaha
[15:37] <ali1234> yeah they were bad
[15:37] <davmor2> foobarry: wash you're mouth out with soap and water :P
[15:37] <ali1234> still show up as pundits on "i love the 80s/90s"
[15:37] <ali1234> harry enfield was 80s, no?
[15:37] <ali1234> loadsamoney?
[15:38] <DJones> harry enfield made hale & pace look funny
[15:38] <ali1234> no, 1991 apparently
[15:38] <bashrc> 80s/early 90s
[15:39] <ali1234> harry enfield is quite hit and miss, but when he's funny he's really funny
[15:39] <foobarry> only for that series
[15:39] <popey> I fondly remember Friday night live and saturday night live
[15:39] <foobarry> then he's still doing the same chracter far too long
[15:39] <foobarry> kevin teenager - funny, but not for years, and not in a film
[15:39] <ali1234> yeah but note that he doesn't do that any more
[15:40] <foobarry> ofc
[15:40] <foobarry> he was one of the first to killl a character (loadsamoney)
[15:40] <foobarry> at height of popularity
[15:40] <ali1234> yeah
[15:40] <foobarry> stavros
[15:40] <ali1234> also "you don't want to do it like that"
[15:44] <ali1234> mark lamarr was doing stand-up in the 80s
[15:45] <foobarry> whatever happened to angus deayton
[15:45] <foobarry> never resurfaced after the HIGNFY
[15:46] <popey> he's on Waterloo Road
[15:46] <popey> and has done other panel comedy things on telly and R4
[15:46] <ali1234> paul merton has been on tv since the 80s
[15:46] <foobarry> hasn't been funny though
[15:47] <foobarry> saw him coming out of burger king on oxford st. hes quite tall irl
[15:47] <ali1234> angus deayton was never funny
[15:48] <ali1234> ah how could we forget rowan atkinson?
[15:48] <popey> i liked him on KWTV
[15:48] <popey> we didnt ☻
[15:48] <popey> 15:25:12 < dwatkins> Rowan Atkinson
[15:48] <popey> *KYTV
[15:49] <ali1234> lol, he was the first one to get mentioned. makes sense
[15:49] <foobarry> staying around in comedy requires adapting, relevancy, or a good agent
[15:49] <popey> many of them moved to production
[15:49] <ali1234> yeah, plus becoming a writer/producer is a lot less work
[15:49] <popey> some of the old KYTV lot still appear in kids tv
[15:49] <popey> Horrible Histories for example
[15:50] <davmor2> popey: why do you get involved in arguments with Pete :D I'm as guilty you'd think we'd learn but apparently not :D
[15:50] <foobarry> shame about baldrick turning out so boring
[15:50] <ali1234> mark heap started out on kids tv. i watched him on ghost train in the 80s, big train in the 90s, and jam in 2000s
[15:51] <popey> davmor2: what argument?
[15:51] <popey> oh, the one about image updates
[15:51] <popey> no argument there IMO
[15:51] <davmor2> popey: pretty much any ubuntu related comment you make on google+ recently :)
[15:52] <popey> just him using every oopportunity to poke the knife in, which he is at liberty to do on the internet
[15:52] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWBcUZvqLM
[15:53] <davmor2> popey: don't feed the troll ;)
[15:53] <popey> meh
[15:54] <popey> blimey
[16:00] <davmor2> ali1234: wooo those suits
[16:02] <ali1234> the two marks were like a low rent trevor and simon :)
[16:04] <bigcalm> That was fun
[16:07] <aquarius> OK. Memtest passed fine (on first pass). Now booting from USB, with SSD disconnected (from both power and SATA cable)
[16:07] <aquarius> looks to be stuck at Ubuntu boot logo again
[16:07] <aquarius> (I do not know how to see what might be wrong in that situation)
[16:08] <aquarius> it would be nice if hitting escape removed the boot logo and showed the actual text of bootup, but afaict it does not.
[16:08] <dwatkins> boot without the splash screen, so you can see the console output, aquarius?
[16:08] <aquarius> dwatkins, certainly, I just don't know how :)
[16:09]  * aquarius bootsagain and looks for an optio
[16:09] <dwatkins> press escape during boot, iirc
[16:09] <dwatkins> otherwise, remove the "quiet" part of the kernel perameters in grub
[16:09] <aquarius> dwatkins, as mentioned, escape doesn't remove the boot screen :(
[16:10] <dwatkins> also, remove 'splash'
[16:10] <dwatkins> you can edit the grub parameters as a one-off
[16:10] <aquarius> there isn't any grub afaict
[16:10] <aquarius> I can hit F8 and get the Ubuntu boot menu.
[16:10] <dwatkins> I assume that's it
[16:10] <aquarius> I am booting from USB install media here
[16:10] <dwatkins> can you select the relevant option and edit it?
[16:11] <aquarius> aha
[16:11] <aquarius> found boot options
[16:11] <aquarius> removed quiet and splash
[16:11] <aquarius> ah!
[16:12] <foobarry> only getting ~2Gb/s using iperf -P 10 -w 65536..any suggestions? should be 10Gb
[16:12] <aquarius> BUG: scheduling while atomic: kworker/u8:1/67/0x00000100
[16:12] <aquarius> that looks kernelish
[16:12]  * aquarius googles
[16:12] <dwatkins> bear in mind it might be a red herring, aquarius ;)
[16:13] <aquarius> dwatkins, boot is hung there
[16:13] <aquarius> that suggests some sort of problem!
[16:13] <aquarius> le sigh
[16:13] <aquarius> looks like a kernel bug
[16:13] <aquarius> darnit
[16:14] <aquarius> maybe I need to download and boot from a 14.04 daily image to see if it's fixed.
[16:14] <davmor2> aquarius: what version of ubuntu, what arch, what chipset, what gfx
[16:14] <aquarius> davmor2, 13.10, amd64, intel graphics.
[16:15] <aquarius> I don't know models for the chipset and graphics because I can't boot the machine! If you tell me how to find them I can provide them.
[16:16] <davmor2> aquarius: if it's a uefi system on the motherbopard  in bios compatibilty mode it should tell you in there
[16:16] <aquarius> davmor2, in the bios boot thing/
[16:16] <aquarius> ?
[16:16] <aquarius> I am not booting in uefi mode
[16:16] <aquarius> I'm using bios compatibility mode
[16:17] <davmor2> aquarius: yeah that doesn't matter it will still be uefi so should still give you the info you want, in theory
[16:17] <aquarius> ok, 25 minutes to download the trusty daily iso, so I'll try other stuff until then
[16:19] <aquarius> davmor2, can't see anything in the bios stuff about the graphics. Chip is Intel i5-4670 @ 3.40GHz
[16:19] <davmor2> aquarius: so mine on the info page lists cpu/memory/hdd type/cd-dvd etc
[16:20] <davmor2> aquarius: you're right about the gfx though I thought it was covered though :(
[16:21] <davmor2> aquarius: out of interest does all the memory show up in the info page?
[16:21] <aquarius> Yes
[16:21] <aquarius> I'll try the trusty daily cd when it downloads, in the hope that it's a kernel bug which is fixed in newer kernels.
[16:21] <davmor2> aquarius: how are you conect the monitor to the pc?
[16:21] <aquarius> hdmi
[16:22] <davmor2> aquarius: can you try a different lead?
[16:22] <aquarius> davmor2, I suppose so, but I can't see how that would hang the kernel :(
[16:22] <davmor2> aquarius: sorry as in not hdmi
[16:23] <aquarius> um.
[16:23] <aquarius> probably.
[16:23] <davmor2> aquarius: dvi or whatevery it is
[16:23] <aquarius> will have to dig up a dvi lead
[16:24] <aquarius> I can't see how that'd hang the kernel either, but we'll see
[16:24] <davmor2> aquarius: the hdmi is a kernel driver so if that is at fault that would hang
[16:25] <davmor2> aquarius: I would doubt it is at fault but if we rule out as much as possible now then it lowers down things to look at  latter
[16:25] <aquarius> true
[16:25] <aquarius> I'll try the trusty CD in about 15 minutes once it's downloaded
[16:26] <aquarius> if that doesn't work I'll experiment
[16:26] <aquarius> but it worked fine for three weeks using hdmi :(
[16:26] <davmor2> aquarius: indeed I'm just running through as many things as possible that could be potential issues :)
[16:41] <diddledan> perhaps it's just a case that lightdm didn't start and there's a virtual terminal on ctrl+alt+f1?
[16:41]  * diddledan came in late however
[16:41] <daftykins> wipe your feet!
[16:45] <bigcalm> What was the multi tail program to tail multiple files?
[16:51] <aquarius> OK, so booting from the trusty daily USB has got to the desktop fine
[16:51] <aquarius> now to try that five more times to see if it was coincidence :)
[16:54] <aquarius> ok, that works. Now to try it with the SSD plugged in.
[16:55] <aquarius> and that works too.
[16:55] <aquarius> Interesting.
[16:55] <aquarius> aha!
[16:56] <aquarius> flicky black screen
[16:56] <aquarius> so something is still wrong
[16:56]  * aquarius watches the machine like a hawk
[16:56] <aquarius> and... syslog shows ata errors!
[16:57] <aquarius> despite this being a brand new drive
[16:57] <aquarius> so that might be, as popey suggested, a duff sata cable/
[16:57] <aquarius> hrm
[16:57] <aquarius> so a kernel bug *and* a duff sata cable
[16:57] <aquarius> how lucky am I, eh?
[16:57] <popey> pop to maplin and get a replacement sata cable?
[16:58] <aquarius> glitchy graphics, too
[16:58] <aquarius> occasionally
[16:58] <daftykins> ouch
[16:58] <aquarius> occasionally
[16:58] <daftykins> aquarius: this a desktop?
[16:58] <daftykins> or your laptop
[16:58] <daftykins> as dumb as that question sounds given presence of a cable
[16:58] <daftykins> :D
[16:59] <aquarius> daftykins, desktop
[16:59] <bigcalm> Do you have a spare machine you can whip the sata cable out of?
[16:59] <aquarius> no.
[16:59] <bigcalm> To Maplin!
[16:59] <daftykins> aquarius: worth trying a different port or just wiggling the cable sometimes
[16:59] <aquarius> daftykins, it is in a different port already; I tried that
[17:00] <aquarius> OK. So: sata errors, which we think is the sata cable.
[17:00] <daftykins> ah ok
[17:00] <bigcalm> It's a possibility. If a change of cable doesn't fix it, then it might be the mobo
[17:00] <daftykins> there's no other SATA device in the system? 0o
[17:00] <aquarius> Graphic glitches -- screen goes black for a second, occasional coloured lines appearing... do we think that's the sata cable too?
[17:00] <aquarius> daftykins, nope. I don't need more than one drive; that's what the network is for :)
[17:01] <bigcalm> Unlikely. Is it onboard graphics or from a PCI/AGP card?
[17:01] <aquarius> davmor2, how would I diagnose any sort of software problem which might be causing the graphic glitches?
[17:01] <aquarius> bigcalm, onboard
[17:01] <bigcalm> aquarius: had the mobo for long? It doesn't sound healthy
[17:01] <aquarius> bigcalm, a month.
[17:02] <popey> can you photo/film the graphic glitches pls?
[17:02] <popey> they may well be intel driver bugs
[17:03] <aquarius> popey, unlikely. Two bugs: one is "the screen goes black for a second and then returns" (which is not a useful photo) and the other is occasional colourd single-pixel horizontal lines, which appear momentarily and then vanish
[17:03] <aquarius> so they're not really amenable to being filmed
[17:03] <bigcalm> That makes me think of a duff connection
[17:04] <aquarius> ya. I tried unplugging and replugging the hdmi cable about five times, but maybe I'll try it again now
[17:04] <bigcalm> aquarius: sucking eggs time - is the cable fully secured in the monitor and screwed in?
[17:04] <aquarius> and try davmor2's suggestion of going dvi instead to see if that helps
[17:04] <bigcalm> aquarius: do you have another DVI or HDMI device you can connect to the desktop?
[17:05] <bigcalm> aquarius: or even connect the monitor to another source?
[17:05] <aquarius> i don't have any other monitors with even close to this much resolution
[17:06] <popey> are the horizontal lines at the same point?
[17:06] <bigcalm> Any monitor at all with the same connection is a start. We want to rule out an problem with the monitor
[17:06] <popey> also, /var/log/Xorg.0.log is handy for blank screen stuff
[17:06] <davmor2> aquarius: everything they said
[17:06] <aquarius> popey, nothing in xorg log. I looked there
[17:07] <popey> nothing?
[17:07] <popey> or nothing interesting?
[17:07] <aquarius> popey, nothing that changes with each flicker
[17:08] <aquarius> I can paste the whole entire log if that's useful.
[17:08] <aquarius> OK, HDMI cables re-seated
[17:08] <popey> 17:06:15 < popey> are the horizontal lines at the same point?
[17:08] <popey> or different lines??
[17:08] <aquarius> I don't think they were problematic, but maybe they are
[17:08] <aquarius> popey, um. I *think* they're at roughly the same point, but it's really hard to say
[17:08] <popey> hdmi would usually be all or nothing, not individual lines
[17:09]  * aquarius watches the computer suspiciously waiting to see if it goes black
[17:09] <aquarius> (maybe the graphics stuff is indeed just me not plugging the cable in right)
[17:09] <popey> UNLIKELY
[17:09] <popey> -caps
[17:09] <popey> hdmi as I say is all or nothing
[17:09] <popey> not like vga where it can be half-in and glitchy
[17:09] <popey> it's digital innit
[17:09] <aquarius> it's not impossible, though. I am pretty able at screwing up stupid things :)
[17:10] <aquarius> hm!
[17:10] <aquarius> line from syslog after replugging monitor: EDID checksum is invalid, remainder is 17
[17:10] <aquarius> that's weird
[17:10] <aquarius> strangely also only one line
[17:11] <aquarius> although I unplugged at computer end and replugged, and then unplugged at monitor end and replugged
[17:11] <aquarius> so if there's a genine problem there should have been two lines
[17:11] <aquarius> so perhaps that was just a bad connection while I was plugging it in
[17:11] <aquarius> no black flickers
[17:11] <aquarius> so far
[17:11] <aquarius> so maybe it just wasn't plugged in right, sigh
[17:11] <aquarius> doeesn't explain the sata errors, though,
[17:12] <daftykins> HDMI can't be plugged in wrong - you get something or nothing
[17:12] <daftykins> no third state :D
[17:13] <aquarius> what can I do to make the machine look at the drive (and thus potentially get further errors), given that the drive is brand-new from the packaging and thus presumably unformatted?
[17:13] <popey> disk utility
[17:13] <popey> it has a disk test function
[17:13] <popey> and benchmark and other handy tools
[17:15]  * aquarius starts a SMART short self-test
[17:15] <diddledan> gog.com have announced they're gonna release a slew of 100ish games for linux drm-free
[17:15] <diddledan> in the "fall"/autumn
[17:16] <aquarius> diddledan, they have indeed. Finally. But well done to them; I shou;d not be snide, and it's fabulous to see them recognising Ubuntu as a gaming destination
[17:16] <diddledan> definitely
[17:16] <diddledan> I've bought loads of games through gog.com just because they're drm-free and I support the cause
[17:17] <aquarius> OK. SMART self-test succeeded; nothing in syslog about ata errors.
[17:17] <diddledan> barely ever played any of them, but I like to know I have them available
[17:17] <aquarius> would a SMAT self-test trigger those errors, or does that just test the disk firmware without actually testing the disk itself?
[17:17] <aquarius> I suppose I could... format the disk.
[17:18] <aquarius> which is interesting, because I don't know how :P
[17:18] <diddledan> smart tests are a hard disc firmware-based test in that it's the firmware on the disc that does the testing. smart then provides a protocol to report the results of those tests to the host system
[17:19] <diddledan> so when testing for errors using smart there's no ata traffic involved
[17:19] <popey> aquarius: same utility has a format option
[17:20] <aquarius> aha, so it does, thank you
[17:20] <aquarius> formatting: no errors.
[17:20] <aquarius> however that's just made the disk 180gb of free space :)
[17:20] <daftykins> no biggy
[17:20] <aquarius> now presumably I have to add some partitions to actually generate some ata traffic...
[17:21]  * aquarius creates one 180GB ext4 partition
[17:21] <aquarius> still no ata errors in syslog
[17:21] <aquarius> hrm
[17:21] <aquarius> how can you have got errors on startup but none while actually formatting the disk, stupid thing?
[17:22] <popey> you have errors in startup?
[17:22] <popey> what errors?
[17:22] <aquarius> popey, well, they were around startup time
[17:22] <popey> you suck at bug reporting
[17:22] <popey> details man, details
[17:23]  * diddledan reports on bug sucking
[17:23] <popey> dmesg -T | grep ata
[17:23] <diddledan> mmm, crunchy
[17:23] <aquarius> popey, pastebin.com/wjAjxUt
[17:23] <diddledan> o_O
[17:23] <aquarius> no, that's not right
[17:23] <popey> indeed it isnt
[17:24] <aquarius> popey, pastebin.com/wjAjxxUt
[17:24] <aquarius> am having to copy things around by eye from one machine to another :)
[17:24] <directhex> does anyone know a good way to create those youtube annotation video indexes on linux? y'know, where you go to a youtube video, and it has a bunch of smaller video segments as links to other videos?
[17:24] <popey> that looks like dodgy cable
[17:25] <popey> you do those inside youtube I thought
[17:25] <aquarius> directhex, as in "make a picture in picture", sortafing?
[17:25] <directhex> aquarius, precisely
[17:25] <diddledan> directhex: you might be able to do it with http://www.pitivi.org/
[17:25] <aquarius> directhex, I've not tried, but if I needed to I'd probably end up at ffmpeg like I normally do...
[17:25] <popey> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/92710?hl=en
[17:26] <directhex> i'm using pitivi for my basic video editing, since avidemux doesn't seem to know what an mp4 is (!)
[17:26] <popey> no, you do it on the site,. not locally...
[17:26] <popey> AIUI
[17:26] <aquarius> popey, not the text postit notes
[17:26] <popey> "Check the "Link" box underneath the "Start" and "End" settings. You can choose whether you want the annotation to link to another video, your channel, a playlist, a fundraising site or direct the users to subscribe to your channel."
[17:26] <popey> yes.
[17:26] <diddledan> popey: that's for the links, but people are underlaying the links with video content
[17:26] <aquarius> popey, directhex is looking to have a screen with four little videos in it
[17:27] <aquarius> that is: you make a video containing four little videos, then on the site you draw a box over each of the little videos and make the box a link to the actual video URL
[17:27] <popey> i am sure I saw a how-to that said you do that on the site. I guess not
[17:27] <directhex> yes! aquarius totally understands me <3
[17:27] <popey> I do too!
[17:27] <popey> I get the requirement.
[17:28] <popey> I just understood it could be done on the site.
[17:28] <aquarius> popey, cor. If it can that'd be useful -- I didn't think it could. Cool if so!
[17:28] <aquarius> http://randomjct.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/easy-video-editing-tricks-in-linux.html shows ffmpeg command line
[17:28] <popey> I saw a video tutorial ages ago but can't find it now
[17:28] <aquarius> but presumably directhex gets fired if he uses ffmpeg ;)
[17:28] <directhex> for this release of ye mumble mumblemumble, i'm doing multiple tutorial videos to cover different user requirements. but i need an index
[17:28] <aquarius> gst ! thing ! other ! whatever ! woo ;-)
[17:29] <popey> I'd probably use kdenlive.
[17:29] <directhex> gst ! ffdecode ! ffencode ! ffpanda
[17:29] <directhex> popey, oh, that might be worth a whizz
[17:29] <diddledan> OT, but I got a couple of these delivered today: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/adafruit-pi-case-enclosure-for-raspberry-pi-model-a-or-b they're pretty decent cases
[17:29] <aquarius> ooh, openshot can do picture in picture
[17:29] <popey> aquarius: so anyway, yeah, sata cable.
[17:29] <popey> pffft
[17:29] <popey> openshot blows goats
[17:29] <aquarius> popey, right
[17:30] <aquarius> I agree that openshot blows, and it's *still* the best. This is a sad indictment of the sorry state of video editing on our platform :(
[17:30] <aquarius> although, lightworks.
[17:30] <diddledan> lightworks ftw
[17:30] <aquarius> anyway, kdenlive can do PiP too according to google
[17:30] <popey> nope
[17:31] <popey> kdenlive > openshot > pitivi
[17:31] <popey> I had some rapid video editing to do recently, openshot and pitivi just crashed every time I breathed near it
[17:31] <popey> kdenlive didn't crash *once* in 20 hours of editing
[17:31] <aquarius> directhex, so, yeah, I suspect that everyone will actually name this "picture in picture" and thus looking for that in your chosen video editor sounds like the way
[17:33] <daftykins> directhex: are you still thinking up a new name or are you keeping us in suspense? ;)
[17:34] <directhex> daftykins, new name is still secret, but it is final!
[17:35] <directhex> i.e. i've spent 2 hours recording/editing videos with the name in it
[17:35] <directhex> new site is ~done
[17:35] <directhex> missing 2 more tutorial videos (1 i can do tonight when child is asleep, the other is blocking on myHermes)
[17:36] <popey> yay
[17:37] <popey> except for the myhermes drunken delivery driver bit
[17:38] <directhex> Parcel collected by myHermes
[17:38] <directhex> 17/03/2014	09:59	Collected by the courier
[17:38] <directhex> that is literally the latest update
[17:38] <directhex> if it's not with me early tomorrow, then the release of YOS 5 will be delayed by at least a week
[17:40] <directhex> i have a case, with a power supply fitted... and a graphics card box rattling around inside it
[17:42] <daftykins> ;_;
[17:43] <daftykins> the number of courier companies in the UK astounds me at times
[17:43] <daftykins> often, if there's say, a return required - i insist the companies check whether their courier operates here. they never do but they swear blind that someone will show up
[17:55] <directhex> mdraid/lvm video recorded
[17:56] <directhex> just dmraid to do, and that needs 1: a physical PC, and 2: actual support for dmraid, which i haven't finished yet
[17:57] <ball_> What's a dmraid?
[18:05] <bigcalm> Fooooooooooooooood
[18:18] <ball_> Food is good, we like food.
[18:18]  * ball_ just ate a sarnie
[18:18] <ball_> ...for lunch.
[19:18] <directhex> ball_, dmraid is the subsystem used to drive motherboard-based driver-based RAID subsystems - e.g. Intel raid, or Promise (AMD) RAID, or NVIDIA RAID
[19:21] <ball_> Fakeraid then?
[19:21] <daftykins> yip
[19:22] <ball_> Is there ever an advantage to using that instead of mdraid?
[19:24] <directhex> ball_, yes, dmraid is the actual app which drives fakeraid
[19:24] <directhex> ball_, and the advantage is you can dual-boot with windows on dmraid
[19:25] <ball_> Ah, I can see tat for some people that might be helpful.
[19:25] <ball_> that*
[19:26] <directhex> i really can't imagine how some of the high-end boutique steam machine vendors haven't accounted for it
[19:28] <ball_> I'm not sure what that means.
[19:29] <directhex> http://www.stuff.tv/valve-s-steam-machine-army-every-angle-covered/feature/origin-pc-chronos - steamos can't do what OriginPC are advertising it can do.
[19:29] <ali1234> tl;dr?
[19:29] <ali1234> can't support dual graphics cards?
[19:30] <ali1234> can't dual boot? can't support 14TB?
[19:30] <ball_> Is that the linux-based games PC?
[19:31] <ali1234> it;s one of them
[19:31] <ali1234> one of at least 12
[19:32] <ball_> Oh. I didn't realise there were more than one.
[19:32]  * ball_ <- not a big gamer
[19:33] <ali1234> heh. do you also live under a rock? ;)
[19:33] <BigRedS_>  Even I've managed a vague notion of what's going on with these steam boxes
[19:33] <ali1234> did you also know steam is now available native on linux?
[19:34] <ali1234> thing is, valve didn;t do that just cos they love linux
[19:34] <ali1234> they want boxes in living rooms that have steam instead of itunes/windows store on them
[19:35] <ali1234> this is largely the same reason meego fell apart. everyone wants their own appstore rather than being just another app in somebody else's
[19:35] <ball> ali1234: Illinois.
[19:36] <ali1234> (ironically also the reason meego was first created)
[19:36] <diddledan> samsung are putting money into tizen for exactly the same reasons
[19:37] <ali1234> yes
[19:37] <ali1234> after meego fell apart it split into mer and tizen
[19:37] <diddledan> I read an interesting opinion piece on how google used motorola to slap samsung into place
[19:37] <ali1234> mer is where all the (ex) nokia people went
[19:37] <ali1234> tizen is where intel went, joining up with samsung
[19:37] <ali1234> mer became jolla/sailfish
[19:38] <ali1234> sailfish is to mer what ubuntu is to debian pretty much
[19:38] <diddledan> the theory is samsung made their weird ui on top of android to make android work entirely differently, then they made the same ui on tizen with the plan to silently migrate their phone lineup to the non-googlified os and hope nobody noticed
[19:39] <ali1234> it probably would have worked too
[19:39] <ali1234> sailfish can run android apps
[19:39] <ali1234> no reason tizen couldn't license the same tech
[19:40] <ali1234> well, samsung
[19:40] <diddledan> so google sees this happening, buy motorola and sue the pants off samsung until samsung agrees to this ongoing patent agreement that forces samsung to scale back their customisations to android and the very next day after announcing the partnership google announce that they've sold motorola
[19:40] <bigcalm> Finished Journey of a Roach, it was fun :)
[19:40] <diddledan> slam dunk to google
[19:41] <ali1234> that sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory
[19:41] <davmor2> diddledan: but kept the patents
[19:42] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure they bought motorola cos they thought the patents would be useful against microsoft
[19:42] <ali1234> but it turned out they were a bit weak
[19:42] <diddledan> here it is: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/02/10/how-google-used-motorola-to-smack-down-samsung-twice/
[19:43] <directhex> ali1234, steamos has no dmraid subsystem, and the originpc & falcon northwest systems both advertise dual boot AND >4TB disk (which requires a RAID controller of some kind) without advertising use of a HW RAID controller
[19:43] <directhex> so clearly they're using software RAID with windows & haven't even tried it with steamos yet
[19:44] <diddledan> I don't get why >4TB would require raid
[19:44] <davmor2> diddledan: from the start google said they only wanted motorola for the patents looks like they weren't lying :)
[19:44] <ali1234> neither do i
[19:45] <ali1234> probably some windows oddity
[19:45] <daftykins> well if it were the boot volume, maybe that'd make it GPT
[19:45] <daftykins> *shrug*
[19:45] <diddledan> gpt doesn't require or preclude raid
[19:46] <daftykins> i know that :>
[19:46] <diddledan> gpt is requited for > 3TB partitioons though
[19:46] <daftykins> that's more what i was getting at
[19:46] <daftykins> heh keep hearing the new windows 8 'email' sound effect from this laptop i'm setting up
[19:47] <daftykins> seems so alien
[19:47] <diddledan> but any modern system will be running uefi/efi so it'll be running gpt anyway
[19:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9u3d5ry6gp569p6/VID_20140318_124942.mp4
[19:47] <daftykins> check that out :O
[19:47] <ali1234> what about it?
[19:48] <daftykins> nice and nippy.
[19:48] <ali1234> slower than my dad's ubuntu machine :)
[19:48] <diddledan> windows doesn't shutdown
[19:48] <ali1234> that boots in 7 seconds from cold
[19:48] <daftykins> ubuntu? lawl.
[19:48] <diddledan> it hybernates when you click the "shutdown" button
[19:48] <diddledan> bad bad selign
[19:49] <diddledan> spelign*
[19:49] <daftykins> yeah all things i know, diddledan
[19:50]  * ball is confused
[19:51] <ali1234> it did when i installed it anyway. it's probably slow by now
[19:51] <daftykins> ball: hmm?
[19:52] <diddledan> anyone know how AlanBell is getting on with his clusterpi?
[19:54] <diddledan> the latest information on the indiegogo points to http://libertos.org/ where not much has changed
[19:54] <diddledan> although the initial build-out looks impressive
[19:56] <diddledan> I think someone needs to invent a multi-server filesystem checking tool called clusterfsck
[19:56] <diddledan> just because.. family friendly
[19:57] <daftykins> ;)
[19:58] <daftykins> i remember talk of USB cable quality woes last
[19:58] <daftykins> that was a while though
[19:58] <diddledan> aah
[19:59] <diddledan> I'd love to visit when it's up-and-running, though, just to stare at all the blinkin flashy
[19:59] <diddledan> I'm a sucker for flashing leds
[20:01] <daftykins> XD
[20:02]  * daftykins feeds diddledan http://www.instructables.com/id/Led-Cube-8x8x8/ then runs away
[20:05] <diddledan> oh wow
[20:05] <diddledan> that's amazeballs
[21:32] <foobarry> facebook has changed, it looks awful
[21:35] <directhex> ok, yes, i think kdenlive will do the job
[21:35] <directhex> diddledan, which drives are >4T?
[21:39] <bigcalm> Looking at nfs over ssh - sensible idea?
[21:42] <bigcalm> Specifically: https://gist.github.com/proudlygeek/5721498
[21:42] <ball> bigcalm: Over a LAN?
[21:42] <bigcalm> Over a lan is fine, this for when I'm remote from the server
[21:47] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: you pinged me a while ago. Do you remember what it is that you wanted?
[21:47] <dogmatic69_> sup
[21:47] <dogmatic69_> I do... http://www.speedtest.net/result/3370508339.png
[21:48] <diddledan> NOOT FAIR!
[21:48] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: heh, nice :)
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> VirginMedia++;
[21:48] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: looking at a house in St. George's on Friday. Getting closer to you I think
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> under £70 pm on tv, phone and internet
[21:48] <diddledan> although the upload is pretty poor considering the download - vm didn't really improve upload speeds in their recent 152Mb/s announcement
[21:49] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: nice, like 1 mile away...
[21:50] <dogmatic69_> bigcalm: you go to slug?
[21:50] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: I went once and found it not really my thing. I do go to the Wolves LUG though
[21:50] <dogmatic69_> ah
[21:50] <bigcalm> dogmatic69_: which isn't too bad, if you can put up with davmor2 )
[21:50] <dogmatic69_> hehe
[21:53] <bigcalm> I have a horrible feeling that the house we're going to look at doesn't have VM or FTTC
[21:54] <bigcalm> diddledan: compare my result to dogmatic69_'s: http://www.speedtest.net/result/3379924822.png
[22:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: no good to you then you need fibre for work if nothing else
[22:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: fibre checker says end of March, maybe
[22:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: so I'll survive with my 3g until fibre is available
[22:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: house buying takes months anyway
[22:02] <mapps> )
[22:02] <mapps> man
[22:02] <mapps> this wifi is flakey
[22:02] <mapps> and they bill it as 'fast' and 'reliable'
[22:17] <bigcalm> $ sudo mount -t nfs -o port=3049 localhost:/home/iain /media/proliant/nfs/iain
[22:17] <bigcalm> mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
[22:20] <diddledan> damned sophos conflict with timemachine! I'm gonna uninstall sophos methinks, I'm fed up with the constant hanging
[22:24] <mapps> wows7
[22:24] <mapps> my nets been stable this time
[22:24] <mapps> for more than 5mins
[22:25] <mapps> on the train..annoying they throttle though..noone on it!
[22:48] <bigcalm> Ditched nfs over ssh and have gone with sshfs instead
[22:48] <daftykins> why encrypt local at all :(
[22:50] <bigcalm> But this isn't for local
[22:51] <daftykins> no?
[22:52] <bigcalm> Does /etc/hosts have to be <ip> <name>? Can I use <fqdn> <name>?
[22:52] <bigcalm> daftykins: no :)
[22:52] <bigcalm> daftykins: it's to mount my home directory when I'm away from home
[22:52] <daftykins> oic
[22:53] <daftykins> just get speedier with your scp'ing? :D
[22:53] <bigcalm> daftykins: not really going to happen when using an IDE :P
[22:54] <daftykins> 0o
[23:16] <bigcalm> If I were to run a DNS server on my laptop, I could add a CNAME to point at a FQDN. Can I do the same but without running a whole DNS server? I don't appear to have the right setting in /etc/hosts
[23:18] <diddledan> bigcalm: hosts is ip-from-hostname mapping - it doesn't allow hostname-from-other-hostname maps
[23:18] <bigcalm> Poo
[23:19] <bigcalm> Is it only DNS that allows that?
[23:19] <diddledan> you might be able to hack into network-manager's dnsmasq instance
[23:19] <bigcalm> Otherwise I'll have to make do with hoping my VM ip address never changes
[23:22] <popey> bigcalm: do you want to sync your entire home?
[23:22] <popey> sorry, mount
[23:22] <popey> I would use syncthing
[23:22] <popey> well, I do use it
[23:23] <bigcalm> popey: not really. A mount appears to be doing what I need. It's for accessing work stuff, not replacing the local home directory
[23:23] <popey> right, so syncing files?
[23:23] <popey> wont mount be slow?
[23:23] <bigcalm> Fast enough for my needs
[23:23] <daftykins> VM IP? why not statically address?
[23:24]  * directhex tinkers
[23:24] <bigcalm> popey: I'm testing it while I'm at home. The real test will be when I'm remote
[23:24]  * diddledan tailors
[23:24] <bigcalm> daftykins: because I don't have a static ip address
[23:24] <popey> the nice thing about syncthing is it will keep things in sync whether you're home or away
[23:24] <daftykins> oh your web-facing one
[23:24] <popey> like dropbox, but all nice and private and not relying on their servers
[23:24] <daftykins> hrmm that sounds neat for keeping a clients macs in sync
[23:25] <daftykins> i was considering trying BTSync but i don't 100% trust the implementation of that
[23:28] <bigcalm> Read that as butt-sync
[23:38] <directhex> daftykins, you in bed yet?
[23:40] <directhex> daftykins or popey, whomever is more awake gets secret info. THE OTHER WILL BE LEFT IN THE DARK
[23:40]  * diddledan opens some popcorn
[23:43] <daftykins> heya
[23:43] <daftykins> directhex: i am alive!
[23:43] <directhex> daftykins wins!
[23:43] <daftykins> \o/
[23:45] <bigcalm> I think I'm still alive
[23:45] <bigcalm> What's the name then? ;)
[23:48] <bigcalm> Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[23:48] <directhex> bigcalm, a secret known only to me... and daftykins!
[23:49] <daftykins> 8)
[23:49] <daftykins> it's called the cheesewagon!
[23:50] <daftykins> D:
[23:54] <directhex> progress! mobo bundle has moved from courier's car to courier's local depot. no sign of it in my local depot, of course