=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:02] morning [06:17] moin [06:42] hello all [06:45] hey MooDoo / Myrtti [06:45] :D [08:56] my old crap radeon is here [08:57] directhex: say hello to it for me ;) [08:57] the motherboard/cpu/ram it needs are stuck in myhermes limb ¬_¬ [08:57] limbo [09:01] morning directhex [09:01] 2 broke girls is so good [09:01] :D [09:01] it sucks, but not as much as Rules Of Engagement [09:01] mapps: they can't even afford a cup? [09:01] morning [09:01] :( [09:02] tsk. === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc [09:02] which is a terrible show about a misogynist, a harpy, a rapist, a wet noodle, some chick, and tim nice but dim [09:02] MartijnVdS: said is a disaproving tone ;) [09:02] MooDoo: :) [09:03] pff directhex seriously..2 broke girls is so funny [09:03] max is hilarious [09:03] and rules of engagement..uuuuh i loved that too lol [09:03] MartijnVdS tsk tsk [09:14] They both work for in-the-background telly, like how i met your mother and big bang theory [09:15] not sure I'd turn on the tv specifically for any of them, but I am very bad at watching TV [09:15] http://ladydinahs.com [09:16] I was disappointed to find it wasn't a 'cat cafe' in the sense that you eat the cats [09:16] heh [09:16] its not open yet anyway else id go today;/ [09:17] * DJones writes an appeal letter against a private car park "fine" for a tyre fitters van using a hotel car park to park up in it so that the driver could repair the broken down coach parked in the car park dropping off hotel residents [09:17] been falling asleep at like 10pm..getting up at 5/6am yet my trains at 21;40 tonight! gonna have to get a nap before [09:18] dont wanna fall asleep on the train :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|reboot [09:19] DJones: I thought it was generally best practice to simply ignore those? Rather than lend credibility by appealing [09:19] doesn't matter, they just don't tend to pursue them [09:19] especially if you have a case [09:19] they fined the tyre fitters van [09:19] uh [09:19] these people are parasites [09:19] they "invoiced" them. [09:20] BigRedS: Probably is, but these people need to know they're plonkers [09:20] like the old wheel clamping thought they were gonna make it illegal but like eveything else they say by 2020 or something [09:20] they don't have power to fine. [09:20] yep [09:20] thats true [09:20] only councils and gov do [09:20] still lots of unhappy aldi customers [09:20] but people dont know this and they feel they have to pay and get pressured [09:20] because parking eye are a bit zealous [09:21] the gov said this would all be illegal and be dealt with..but as i say they said by 2015 or something.. [09:21] companies have made millions out of these fines and that;/ [09:22] we once got clamped, took the clamp off the car by letting the tyre down, left it on their doorstep, phoned the clamping company who wanted to take us to court for damaging their clamp, we pointed out we didn't damage it... "oh" [09:22] "goodbye" [09:23] popey is it really that simple? let the tyre down, take off..pump tyre back up? [09:23] id never thought of that..I don't have a car though but still [09:23] thats what we did [09:23] nice [09:23] had to get spanner in behind the clamp to undo the nuts [09:23] this was ~20 years ago though [09:23] popey: very cool :D [09:24] showed them:) [09:24] Ive seen dome innovative unclamping when I was in dublin... [09:25] i had ntl hassle me for money when i lived in Portsmouth..id finished uni wanted to cancel they said no..the sales guy said it was a 10month contract (ok id never heard of such a thing) sure enough when i phone up they say its 12 [09:25] there was a guy at an airport who drove a van down a line of parked cars, and friend hung out the back angle grinding the padlocks off all the clamps [09:25] but i never SIGNED anything..so i ignored the letters and nothing happened:) [09:25] lol nice === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [09:27] u get bad credit though with ntl/virgin [09:27] virgin stole off me :( [09:28] ah yea i wondered that [09:28] but [09:28] it was 7/8 years ago foobarry and it changed from ntl to virgin [09:28] would it even matter now? [09:28] i phoned in advance to give notice of cancellation and they claimed i never did [09:28] cant remember if they sent any letters to my home address..but my dad has virgin here [09:29] so they threatened lawyers and got angry [09:29] he deff said 10months thats what irritated me..and i clearly wouldnt be there fo 12months.. [09:29] having never signed anything what can they do? [09:29] and to minimise the stress they were causing we agreed to split the difference. even though they were in the wrong. and i decided i would never use virgin again [09:29] Good morning peeps :) [09:29] hey bigcalm [09:30] we cancelled vm went with bt ftc [09:30] then went back to vm but also kept bt [09:30] and tbh vm seems faster than bt most the time to me? [09:30] Funniest clamping episode I saw was when I worked in Altrincham, a car parked in a railway carpark had its drivers side front wheel clamped, what the clamper didn't spot was that the car was jacked up on the passenger side and both wheels had been removed after punctures caused by driving over spilled nails in the carpark, in the end it was cancelled and the car park owner had to pay for two new tyres [09:30] it does irritate me a lot during the day though 400-500ks;/ at night 5-6mbs?! like what the hell [09:30] and BTs rubbish during the day too [09:33] my needs for bandwidth are not extensive [09:38] Good morning all; happy Biodiesel Day! :-D [09:38] morning james_w [09:38] JamesTait even;p [09:38] hello JamesTait [09:39] mapps, MooDoo: o/ [09:49] morning all [09:49] morning hoover [09:50] Hi MooDoo [09:51] I need a little help with procmail, is it ok to ask here? [09:53] You can ask and if someone knows they will help, but also #ubuntu might be a good place as well. If people don't answer don't be offended, it's either they are busy or just don't know :D [09:55] morning boys and girls. [09:55] That's ok thanks MooDoo [09:55] morning brobostigon [09:55] morning hoover [09:56] I need a recipe to add a custom header to an email and then send the mail to a few recipients [10:02] a bash script? [10:06] mapps: procmail [10:07] I've tried formail -A, but I'm a bit anxious about >>ing to a live mailbox [10:08] hoover: that's why you use maildir [10:08] every message its own file! [10:10] Basically I need to add a custom header if it doesn't already exist and then forward the message to a list of addresses [10:20] gonna be so tired later..getting up early sucks [10:21] mapps: what time and unless it's earlier than 5:30 it's not early ;) [10:21] well MooDoo ive been going sleep 10/1030 getting up ~530-6ish [10:21] but [10:21] i work nights and im back in work thursday!!!! [10:21] so gotta switch back to nights [10:21] ah [10:22] else il be bloody knackered come 3am at work when ive been sleeping at 10am [10:22] also my trains at 21;50 tonight..lol and ive been sleeping at 10:P [10:23] dont wanna fall asleep on the train really [11:03] Morning all [11:04] morning Dave2 [11:04] davmor2 [11:04] gah [11:04] :( [11:04] morning Dave2 too :P [11:04] didnt see you speak though..wake you up did i heh [11:04] moring davmor2 [11:11] Anybody able to check something for me, if you press the shutdown button, you get the reboot/shutdown buttons coming up, is the shutdown button highlighted so you can read the text, or do you have to hover the mouse over it [11:14] i can on lubuntu if thats any good [11:14] No, I was just trying to check something on a default Ubuntu install [11:15] But thanks for the offer [11:15] ah ok [11:15] :) [11:19] MooDoo: me owld mucka how's life [11:20] DJones: in 13.10 - shutdown is highlighted and the text is visible. Restart is not highlighted and the text is not visible. Hovering over one or the other then shows the related text [11:21] bigcalm: Thanks, I think its changed for 14.04, wasn't sure whether the text was still visible [11:21] davmor2: yeah ok thanks :) nothing special, you? [11:22] It was prompted by somebody suggesting that the text for both buttons wasn't visible until you hovered the mouse over them, in which case, how would a touchscreen user know what each button did before pressing it (assuming the button icon wasn't obvious enough) [11:24] DJones: yes, i can read the text [11:25] popey: Thanks, to me it seems obvious anyway from the buttons, but somebody in +1 thought it might be a problem on a touchscreen machine unless they also used the mouse [11:25] DJones: if neither button is highlighted, then there is no text. But, on my 13.10 desktop, the shutdown is highlighted by default [11:26] * bigcalm goes to find his laptop [11:27] bigcalm: Neither button hilighted with no text was the issue that was being queried, if you can't mouseover to hilight, how do you know what the button does [11:31] DJones: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/2014-03-18%2011.29.06.jpg [11:32] DJones: that's 14.04. With nothing highlighted (having pressed the laptop's power button) [11:32] DJones: good point [11:32] I couldn't do a screenshot of the shutdown options :( [11:33] Yes, it's relying upon the icons being interpreted as the designer expects [11:33] popey: May be worth just having a look at the scrollback in +1 for the last 15 minutes, that was what prompted the question, their suggestion was to have the text showing under the buttons all the time [11:33] bigcalm: Thanks, btw, that screen is pretty good mirror [11:34] ;) [11:34] urgh [11:34] why do betfair always update the app [11:34] they update it and its worse [11:35] DJones: I think Zz would be more informative than a clock for sleep [11:35] Maybe a pillow [11:35] bigcalm: scrot -d 5 [11:35] popey: ? [11:35] 11:32:49 < bigcalm> I couldn't do a screenshot of the shutdown options :( [11:35] Ah, okay, ta [11:35] scrot -d 5, then open the dialog and wait 5 seconds [11:35] scrot ftw [11:35] Fair enough [11:36] Indeed, I'll try to remember it [11:39] mapps: maybe you can place bets on the usability of their app [11:51] bigcalm: what you done to your car now? [11:51] davmor2: this, it would seem: http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/407-41/multi-failures-stop-brake-malfunction-etc-15303/ [11:53] davmor2: after parking and turning the engine off, the power steering kept on running (wining noise). That'll be why people got flat batteries. I disconnected the battery and reconnected - all errors gone and car works again. [11:53] davmor2: I should also note that the turbo didn't work at all while the car had this problem last night. The power cycle fixed that as well. Most strange [11:54] bigcalm: maybe time to change the battery? [11:54] davmor2: car is due a service this week coincidently, so will get them to check a lot of things [11:54] davmor2: maybe [11:55] bigcalm: also ug doesn't follow do, ra does :P [11:59] the mistake is in getting a peugeot [11:59] French cars are a bad idea. [12:02] davmor2: booked in for Friday [12:02] * bigcalm hisses at Myrtti [12:03] I think the mistake might be having a modern car that has lots of computing things interconnected [12:03] I never had so many oddities with my 406 [12:04] computers in cars are a great idea - keeps your mind off of the crash you're about to incur [12:05] does anyone know joomla? [12:06] what is the actual difference between a component and a module? [12:06] * bigcalm runs away [12:06] is joomla really that bad? [12:07] it looks pretty bad, but i'm not sure if i just don't get it, or if it really is totally insane [12:07] I hated working with it as a developer [12:07] components are full content things that go in the middle, modules do less and go round the edge [12:07] ali1234: http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?t=344599 [12:08] davmor2: i read that and it didn't help :( [12:08] A wee reminder :) [12:08] !rat [12:08] rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/ [12:08] AlanBell: supposing i want to have things in the middle of the page, and things around the edge of the page, all coming from the same custom database table. then what? how do i make a component and a module share the same model? [12:09] ali1234: http://www.dart-creations.com/joomla/joomla-tutorials/the-difference-between-modules-and-components.html how about that instead [12:09] davmor2: nope, that also doesn't answer my question [12:10] it seems that i need to functionality of both a component (because i need a custom database model) and modules (because i want to present the DB data across multiple existing pages) [12:10] in wordpress this is all done in one plugin [12:10] i don't understand why it is split in joomla [12:10] or can i make modules in a component? [12:12] ali1234: have a look at modules/mod_articles_category/helper.php [12:13] it includes the model from the associated component [12:13] com_content in this instance, but yours would be different [12:14] so going through a model is mandatory to make this work? [12:15] erm, nothing is mandatory, you can hit the tables directly if you want to, but going through a model in the component is probably the right way to do it [12:15] but if i hit the db direct in the component, then i'll have to copy paste the db code into the module? [12:17] or you hit the component with the module and the component hits the tables, but yeah, sounds about right [12:18] all the documentation is terrible [12:19] here is a direct quote from the developer docs: "I don't know. This is something that the gurus must answer. Where does the display function come from? Again, I don't know. Hope that someone else can help here. " [12:19] that's not a comment. that's just written in the middle of a page that is supposed to explain how components work [12:22] heh yes [12:23] fixed my procmail issue, thanks all! [12:23] also why is everything JControllLegacy? [12:23] why do the docs tell you to use Legacy stuff? where are the docs for the not-Legacy stuff? [12:24] there was a big refactoring, to make it a lot more modern and sensible and less like old mambo [12:25] i get the feeling joomla is designed to maximize consultancy revenue [12:26] isn't there an xkcd about that? [12:54] I tried using joomla once, it still gives me the shivers. [12:55] I use wordpress for everything mostly, it's very very easy to setup [12:55] oh yay, a council tax bill [12:56] oh we had ours last week :S [12:57] yeah, our current site is wordpress. the problem is that the visual design is really poor. so we got someone in to improve it and he's like "oh yeah, just switch to joomla" [12:58] so we paid $30 or w/e for a template [12:58] this is delivered as a zip file with a full joomla installation and the template that you just unzip [12:59] it seems to be delivered this way because setting up joomla from scratch is impossible [12:59] 2.48 per month more [12:59] I can deal with that [12:59] everything has to be installed though the web interface, which des not work [12:59] Laney: still sucks [13:00] swingeing cuts to their budget sucks more [13:00] One of my favourite things is making the web server able to write the code it will go on to execute [13:00] 2% is the maximum they can increase it by without having to have a referendum [13:00] yes, that is actually a requirement for joomla === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:23] anyone recommend a decent ISA? [13:27] I'll just leave this here http://sftimes.co/?id=216&src=share_fb_new_216 [13:28] davmor2: oh I've seen it, it's cracking [13:28] .co, davmor2? interesting [13:29] oh there are hundreds of tld now, we've just released .berlin lol [13:29] I still have to tell people not to automatically add www. to the beginning of a URL. [13:30] dwatkins: the amount of people still going to www.ubuntu.technology instead of just ubuntu.technology [13:30] indeed, MooDoo [13:30] MooDoo: /me quickly registers youtakemybreathawayby.berlin [13:30] lol [13:30] ichbinein.berlin [13:30] someone beat me to im2.sexy, but did you know about http://rms.sexy ? [13:31] I'll let your eyes bleed on that one [13:31] I'm going to choose to ignore that URL, thankyouverymuch ;) [13:31] .co has been around for ages; I got mine when it came out [13:32] and now I keep missing emails because people append a '.uk' when I say it to them or assume I missed an 'm' when I typed it... [13:32] 'original' TLDs are overrated [13:32] they're also confusing [13:32] there are quite a few new gtlds - https://gtld.heartinternet.co.uk/ [13:33] moodoo.guru [13:33] yeah, I don't really like this free-for-all idea [13:33] bigreds.museum [13:33] I actually came across one in the wild today, http://ddsos.technology/ seems I can't access it from work lol [13:33] Can I register my own, e.g. .watkins ? [13:33] I like the idea of having more geographical ones, but it seems they should also be part of the country ones - somewhere.lon.uk or somesuch [13:33] which does sound awfully 1970s... [13:33] dwatkins: no there isn't a .watkins at the moment. [13:34] MartijnVdS: ah. you've just reminded me of the last time I had this rant in here :) [13:34] That might be confusing for a company with offices in London and Edinburgh, though, BigRedS - I'd say country-specific would be best (for the company's head office), if it were ISO 3166-compliant... [13:35] but country-specific breaks when a company has offices in paris and london [13:35] This would confuse americans, of course, as they'd all have to use .us [13:35] and we'd start using .gb ? [13:35] I don't advocate removing .co.uk, just adding a .lon.uk alongside it [13:35] exactly what I was just thinking, shauno :) [13:35] ...then there's .eu [13:36] there's a .int too. that always causes a double-take [13:36] http://char.int/ isn't registered ;) [13:37] unsigned.int [13:37] the website for java haters :) [13:37] max.int [13:37] max.int would be funny. it should give you 32bit answers on ipv4 and 64bit answers on ipv6. [13:37] You'd think somebody like Linux Mint or mint finance would go for http://m.int [13:38] haha, great StackOverflow answer for max int: It's 2,147,483,647. Easiest way to memorize it is via a tattoo. [13:38] it's not a general-use domain. nato, the UN etc use it [13:38] * dwatkins remembers 32767 being the biggest number once upon a time [13:38] cute domains with .'s in them are so 2008 [13:38] cr.yp.to [13:38] it's all about nonsense words now [13:39] ali1234: like newsgroups such as https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die ;) [13:39] dwatkins: i rather doubt anyone has posted there since the 90s... [13:39] 2013 [13:39] i mean real people. not spam [13:39] why do people still spam usenet? [13:39] it's like the spammer got jailed and the bots are still running wild [13:40] ah yes, I hadn't checked the threads themsevles [13:40] remarkably they actually look like real posts, if completely crazy [13:42] something's marking some of them as SPAM [13:42] i mean there must be about 100 people still actively using usenet for text discussions. it was probably never more than 10,000 at any point [13:42] I remember discussing UK sci-fi shows on usenet in 2001. [13:42] Nowadays, I imagine a majority of the data is binary on there. [13:42] it always was. but yes, even more so now. [13:42] there's a guy who keeps going on alt some os advocacy and complains about microsoft trolls [13:42] well, since binary posting was invented [13:42] always struck me as a massive waste of time [13:43] popey: indeed, popey - that's like complaining about there being geeks at a hacker convention [13:45] reddit is the new usenet [13:45] it's pretty much identical in every way [13:46] yeah, apart from the voting [13:46] I guess you can see a thread with a lot of comments on it in mose news clients, though. [13:47] the voting doesn't even do much [13:48] mainly the way threading works, the way you can't post images, and the way everyone is pseudonymous are what make it like usenet [13:48] you don't get an avatar image or inline sig-image for example [13:49] you can't post inline smileys [13:49] all the things that make forums exceptionally irritating [13:54] i don't remember journalists using usenet for most of their source material though === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:04] true dat [14:05] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26614051 [14:06] pretty soon algorithms will generate all news, complete with quotes pulled from twitter and facebook [14:06] ali1234: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Game_(TV_story) [14:07] that was simon pegg right? [14:07] yes [14:07] ali1234: like google news? [14:07] or daily mail online [14:07] he should have played the master [14:07] peter capaldi would make a good master [14:07] ali1234: it's still possible. He *is* a timelord :) [14:08] i recall the popey cat image was made into a "news" story [14:08] foobarry: Alan Rickman would make a good master. [14:08] like the online news websites are just a tiwtter digest of "celebs" [14:08] brian blessed = dr who, capaldi = master [14:08] haha [14:08] especailly since capaldi is playing cardinal richlieu [14:09] mark heap as doctor who, kevin eldon as the master [14:10] written by armando iannucci and directed by chris morris [14:10] is kevin eldon the elven king from LOTR? [14:10] no [14:10] oh [14:10] elrond [14:11] benedict cumberpatch was destined but he did a better job of sherlock instead [14:11] foobarry: Elrond was Agent Smith [14:11] yeah, [14:11] Kevin Eldon was hobby man [14:12] Simon Quinlank [14:12] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krsj2bcnRlM mark heap and kevin eldon (nsfw, swearing) [14:12] Drink your weak lemon drink now! [14:12] i don't want enough telly to have a clue what is happening right now [14:14] it was a sketch on a programme about 20 years ago [14:15] there were different hobbies each week with "weak lemon drink" featuring each time [14:19] Well that was a weird clip [14:20] did anyone watch blue jam? [14:20] or listen (was it a radio show?) [14:20] no, because blue jam was a radio show :P [14:20] there's a song i like that appears to be a random selection of quotes from it [14:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yFIZiNJevg [14:45] right bakers, I have no eggs, minimal milk but I want to bake something sweet and yummy. thoughts? [14:45] jussi: Flapjacks ? [14:45] http://www.yummly.com/recipes/baking-without-eggs [14:46] DJones: what exactly are flapjacks... [14:46] how to find which directory have largest file count? [14:46] cocoa117_: open each on and manually count them :P [14:46] jussi: You know the stuff you find at the bottom of a budgies cage? Just add honey to that and you end up with something like http://britishfood.about.com/od/eorecipes/r/flapjack.htm [14:46] cocoa117_: du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10 [14:47] top largest folders of /var for example [14:47] jussi: Basically, oats, butter & honey, with added fruit/chocolate etc [14:47] cocoa117_: or go to the folder and du -hsx * | sort -rh | head -10 [14:47] DJones: British Flapjack is different to flapjack in the US which is a thick pancake. <- why I was confused [14:47] MooDoo, thanks, you are star!!! [14:47] no worries [14:48] jussi: Some decent recipes here http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/flapjacks Not something I like, but my wife loves them [14:48] DJones: hrr, butter running low and hunny even lower. scraping the bottom of the barrel... [14:48] I do have golden syrup though [14:49] maybe Ill have to (yet again) resort to anzac bikkies.. [14:50] jussi: cookies? no milk or eggs needed for them [14:50] DJones: if I can find a way around the butter issue... oil or something... thenthey look good [14:51] Ah forget that, does need eggs [14:52] nah, anzacs dont need egs [14:52] eggs* [14:53] Don't know why, but that sounds like hardtack biscuits [14:54] mmmm flapjack [14:54] http://drool.popey.com/ [14:55] aquarius: Aaaaaaaaaalllroit! [14:55] [14:55] * aquarius is having computer problems :( [14:55] uhoh [14:56] machine was throwing HDD errors, so the people sent me a new SSD. [14:56] have put it in; booted machine from USB [14:56] what kind of hdd errors? [14:56] exactly [14:56] * popey bets money it's not the SSD but the SATA cable at fault. [14:57] So far: hung during USB "ubuntu . . . . ." boot screen needing powercycle; booted to USB desktop and hung there; hung again [14:57] screen flickering to black and back again while in USB desktop [14:57] I don't think it's the sata cable because the machine's locking up while I'm booted from USB, and flickering the screen on and off; I haven't done anything with the SSD yet [14:57] heh, okay ☻ [14:58] but keep that in reserve for "I told you so" later.. [14:58] what video card does it have? [14:58] onboard intel or a proper one? [14:58] (so I probably shouldn't have complained about that to them since now I think it's not the problem... but whatever the problem was was exhibiting itself as SSD errors (and black flickering) because syslog was full of ssd errors [14:58] onboard intel. [14:58] aquarius: did you have to send the old one back? [14:58] machine just hung again at ubuntu logo during usb boot :( [14:59] jussi, yes :( [14:59] what version of Ubuntu? [14:59] doh [14:59] popey, 13.10 [14:59] what CPU? [14:59] jussi, yeah, yeah, I know [14:59] popey, haswell i5 [15:00] memtest? [15:00] and again, hung in boot :( [15:00] maybe it's memory, yeah [15:00] does the usb startup disk have memtest/ [15:00] does the usb startup disk have memtest? [15:00] run memtest as long as you can, yeah, i think it does [15:00] the problem exhibits itself basically every time [15:01] at the same point or random points? [15:01] random points [15:01]