[15:16] <thafreak> You all need to convince me to come to OLF this year
[15:16] <thafreak> I think last couple years i've been less and less inclined to go
[15:17] <thafreak> i may go this year only because some one new is chair of olf comittee and MAYBE it'll be better
[15:17] <thafreak> but if this year sucks too, I think I'm done
[15:18] <thafreak> Also, this year it doesn't conflict with derbycon, which I may go to instead in the future
[15:18] <thafreak> so part of the olf planning should be, how can we make it more awesome for thafreak
[15:19] <Unit193> Mmmm... Pity it doesn't seem so great, I need to go sometime as I need to get a Debian dev to sign my gpg key. :P
[15:19] <thafreak> if ALL of the booths are squished into one tiny room again, I will be very dissatisfied
[15:19] <thafreak> Unit193: paultag never signed your key?
[15:19] <Unit193> Never met him. :P
[15:20] <thafreak> awe
[15:20] <thafreak> I'll sign your key, even though I'm not currently a deb dev
[15:20] <thafreak> I'd like to be one day, but I can't seem to fdind the time to grok building .debs
[15:21] <thafreak> I've been signed by a few deb devs though, so...you'll be 1 removed from a few at least
[15:21] <thafreak> I'm in the bigset now
[15:22] <Unit193> I think that's actually permitted, one DD and one slightly removed.  I'm supposed to be going for DM, but I've not done a ton really.  It could make managing the package I do have easier though, which would be very handy as it tends to go into rapid releases.
[15:22] <yano> ooh, a key signing party!
[15:23] <thafreak> yar...
[15:23] <thafreak> yano, aren't you involved in pyohio too?
[15:24] <Unit193> Him?  Python?  Never.
[15:24] <Unit193> jenni: version
[15:25] <Unit193> Dowh.
[15:25] <thafreak> wonder what she's doing if not fullfiling irc requests...
[15:25] <Unit193> Vodka.
[15:26] <thafreak> no, the classic ones (from my youth watching tv), are things like "washing my hair" or "re-organizing my shoes"
[15:26] <yano> i present at pyohio
[15:26] <yano> .version
[15:26] <jenni> yano: running version:
[15:26] <jenni>   commit ff5bcc6124e22a7414289181200b7a20c2084506
[15:26] <jenni>   Author: Michael Yanovich <michael@yanovich.net>
[15:26] <jenni>   Date:   Fri Mar 14 06:11:51 2014 +0000
[15:27] <thafreak> Are you the AI guy?
[15:27] <thafreak> erm i mean the fellow who gave the AI talk at pyohio years ago
[15:34] <yano> nope
[15:34] <yano> i'm the Py 101 guy
[15:35] <thafreak> how are the people who come to that?
[15:35] <thafreak> Cause I've taught intro to python to undergrads, and it has been a horrible experience for me
[15:36] <thafreak> I'm pretty much fed up with college students in general.
[15:45] <Unit193> thafreak: I used an excuse once, went something like "I can't go to the thing we planned tonight, I'm in the hospital now with an organ that's trying to kill me, and going in to surgery in a couple hours." :D
[15:46] <thafreak> oh, no it's not the excuses
[15:46] <thafreak> those are only minor anoyances
[15:46] <thafreak> my biggest beef is that not one damned student ever READS what I write...
[15:47] <thafreak> i write explicit instructions, which i assumed will be followed...nope
[15:47] <thafreak> in my sysadmin class, i made them write documentation, and required it all to be plain ascii text (utf-8 was acceptable too)
[15:48] <thafreak> Big bold letters, NO WORD DOCUMENTS and RTF is not plain text
[15:48] <thafreak> every semester one student sends in word documents, with markdown or restructured text markup in them
[15:49] <thafreak> i tell them NO, i do not accept word documents, PLAIN TEXT, they send me RTF instead...
[15:49] <thafreak> I say NO, RTF != PLAIN TEXT
[15:49] <thafreak> they send me a pdf and say I don't know how to make plain text
[15:49] <thafreak> I weep for the future
[15:50] <Unit193> You want them to all send you doc.txt? :D
[15:51] <Unit193> And yeah, I've read your comments about your students, that's got to be annoying.  DO they ever pay attention or learn?
[15:51] <thafreak> I even told them, use notepad if you're stuck with windows...
[15:51] <thafreak> nope...and the intro to python class was the absolute worst
[15:51] <thafreak> half the students watched internet videos and/or looked up facebook or sports things all class long
[15:52] <thafreak> and would periodically turn and nod to make me think they're paying attentiopn
[15:52] <thafreak> but only like 3 out of 20 ever really were...and they weren't even that great of students
[15:52] <Unit193> What is this you teach at/
[15:52] <Unit193> ?
[15:52] <thafreak> one class, we were reveiwing before a test...i repeated something twice becasuse some one wasn't paying attention
[15:53] <thafreak> and then i asked any other questions, one kid asked me basically the exact same question i had just finished answering for the second time...
[15:53] <thafreak> the rest of the class chuckled...cause he obviously wasn't paying attention at all
[15:54] <thafreak> Right now I'm at Kent...
[15:54] <Unit193> Hah, good for them at least
[15:54] <Unit193> Hrm.
[15:54] <thafreak> I did teach sysadmin at u akron too...but i gave up on that
[15:54] <dzho> thafreak: presumably, how to work in plain text is how you start your course?
[15:54] <thafreak> that was in the business school and almost none of the students even wanted to learn linux
[15:54] <thafreak> even thought it was required for them
[15:55] <dzho> heh, nice requirement
[15:55] <thafreak> dzho: i told them at the beginning, never use m$ word, if you have to use one of the web based text editors or notepad
[15:55] <thafreak> doesn't help
[15:55] <dzho> did giving them a zero for the assignment help?
[15:56] <thafreak> yeah it was for their business tech degree thing...they made you do cisco, linux and a buynch of other stuff
[15:56] <thafreak> dzho: i'm too soft
[15:56] <thafreak> i'm all bark no bite
[15:56] <thafreak> i prefer public humiliation
[15:56] <dzho> yours, or theirs? ;-)
[15:56] <thafreak> theirs
[15:57] <thafreak> the one that sent me a pdf after i told him rtf wasn't plain text..he's a student worker for one of my colleagues
[15:57] <thafreak> so i hear what he says about me...and I get to give his boss extra ammo to rip on him with
[15:57] <thafreak> I wish
[15:58] <thafreak> i wish I knew everyone of my student's bosses
[15:59] <thafreak> actually, going forward, once I'm no longer under a conflict of interest thing, I may only deal with internship students
[15:59] <thafreak> I'm going to give teaching aprenticship style a shot next i think
[16:00] <thafreak> s/aprenticship/apprenticeship/g
[16:00] <jenni> thafreak meant to say: I'm going to give teaching apprenticeship style a shot next i think
[16:20] <yano> thafreak: it is pretty okay, though i do get complaints from those with too much or too little xperience
[18:33] <Unit193> thafreak: Were you the one interested in samba?
[18:58] <thafreak> define interested in :)
[18:58] <thafreak> i think i asked if anyone has used it with newer windows
[18:59] <thafreak> cause I need to replace the samba at a client's office
[18:59] <thafreak> and their desktops are mostly windoze 7
[19:01] <Unit193> So here's the weird part, Debian testing works fine with newer samba, but ever since upgrading to trusty, problems.  Same-ish version, and done a lot to try and fix it.
[19:19] <thafreak> debian testing as the client? or debian testing as the samba server?
[19:20] <Unit193> Two different examples, close in version, where one works and the other doesn't.
[19:20] <Unit193> Servers, both.
[19:20] <thafreak> what are the clients?
[19:21] <thafreak> and so you're saying, avoid trusty and use either precise or wheezy at this point? :)
[19:22] <Unit193> Nah, just saying it's not working for me right now, though that may change from person to person.  Clients are Win7 for testing, Linux and Win7 for Trusty.
[19:30] <thafreak> huh...what security mode are you using? is samba a domain controller for your win7 machines?
[19:31] <Unit193> Nope, basics, hardly modified config.
[19:34] <thafreak> are you using passwords for shares? or just open permissions?
[19:35] <Unit193> Open.
[19:39] <Unit193> On the bright side, bash-completion is fixed, so hopefully it will be in Debian as well soon.
[19:39] <thafreak> cool, i think i'll be switching them to open anyway...
[19:41] <Unit193> Nothing important on there, and wireless password.