[01:05] <jjfrv8> knome, a reminder that you were going to investigate http://imagebin.org/299466
[01:05] <jjfrv8> once that's settled, I can push the remaining 8 or so chapters that depend on it
[01:14] <knome> you can push them, that's related to entities
[01:14] <knome> so we don't need to change the markup
[01:14] <knome> only the entities file
[01:56] <jjfrv8> knome, MP is pushed
[02:00] <knome> MP or branch? :)
[02:01] <knome> i saw the email really quickly, but it went via a mail filter somewhere deep in the bin
[02:02] <knome> hmm, wait
[02:02] <knome> didn't i approve and merge this already?
[02:03] <knome> i did the other MP manually since it would have reintroduced stuff that was already fixed
[02:04] <knome> besides, you have push rights to the main branch yourself, i trust you to push only sane things
[02:04] <Unit193> But not me. :D
[02:04] <knome> well that's why you don't have the push rights
[02:04]  * knome hides
[02:06] <Unit193> With that last one, I'm done on docs right?
[02:06] <knome> nevar
[02:06] <knome> :)
[02:07] <knome> you have entered a room. the door behind you is locked from outside. what do you do?
[02:10] <knome> you stood still for a time too long, and one of the doc team people noticed you with no task. you are assigned a new doc team task. what do you do?
[02:10] <knome> :P
[02:10] <Unit193> re-sync'd mine with master.
[02:11] <knome> jjfrv8, Unit193: you might want to look at lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-uife
[02:11] <Unit193> (Should actually have been done properly too, pushed as linguas2.)
[02:11] <knome> didn't see any MP. hard to see diff's.
[02:12] <Unit193> You were going to look before I went for the merge, make sure I'm in the right ballpark.
[02:12] <knome> well,
[02:12] <knome> it's easier to look at a MP and diff
[02:12] <knome> but i can look at the branch as is
[02:13] <knome> will try to get to that tomorrow, since doc freeze soon
[02:14] <Unit193> Err, whoops then.
[02:14]  * Unit193 should have set jjfrv8 as reviewer again. :P
[02:14] <knome> heh
[02:16] <Unit193> Actually, line 103 would be of interest to him.
[02:17] <knome> [02:17] <knome> seriously? :)
[02:18] <knome> i guess you mean lines 114-115
[02:19] <Unit193> Well, that it's modified is of interest of course.
[02:19] <Unit193> So technically the coreutils dep isn't precisely correct, but it basically is.
[02:19] <knome> heh
[02:21] <Unit193> If you use the linguas file, it isn't, but it falls back to a method that uses basename -s, so I left the dep in there.  What do you think?
[02:25] <knome> the dependency is okay
[02:25] <Unit193> Want anymore reviewers?
[02:26] <knome> i'll tell you tomorrow
[02:26] <knome> or add myself
[02:28] <Unit193> Feel free to ask any questions.  It'd be nice to move the entire translation things into the translate script, but I was pretty sure you didn't want that. :/
[02:29] <knome> let's get the translations into trusty, then we can improve
[02:30] <Unit193> Sure, just means the clean target is a tad slower.
[02:33] <knome> yaeh, but first time we have translations
[02:39]  * Unit193 hopes for a full Russian translation yet.
[02:47] <knome> mmh, would be good to get several languages in
[02:48] <knome> i'm off for now
[02:48] <knome> see you later
[02:48] <Unit193> Tschau!
[08:09] <elfy> knome: slideshow looks ok - the red looks better :p - all done now? 
[09:22] <ochosi> knome, bluesabre: just talked to seb128 and Laney about the FFe for light-locker1.4.0, they both said it should be fine
[09:22] <ochosi> knome, bluesabre: also, cavalier wants to wait with 1.4.0 release till the weekend so we get more translations. i suggest we prep the changes in light-locker-settings and think what we wanna have as default setting
[09:22] <ochosi> bbiab
[10:01] <knome> elfy, red? :P
[10:01] <knome> elfy, no, two minor changes yet.
[10:02] <knome> hey ochosi 
[10:06] <ochosi> hey knome 
[10:06] <ochosi> just sent you an updated tahr-ball
[10:06] <knome> aha
[10:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: alrighty, sounds good
[10:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: so i guess let's start testing light-locker 1.3.0 and work on l-l-s again...
[10:37] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:38] <brainwash> what did change?
[10:39] <ochosi> option 1: late-locking (BOOL)
[10:39] <ochosi> option 2: lock-on-suspend (BOOL)
[10:39] <brainwash> oh, great
[10:39] <ochosi> if (late-locking) { greeter-screensaver-timeout = 0; }
[10:40] <ochosi> else { greeter-screensaver-timeout = $default_value; }
[10:40] <brainwash> makes sense :D
[10:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^
[10:40] <brainwash> will the changes land in beta2?
[10:41] <ochosi> i'm really happy retrospectively speaking that we introduced that timeout as an option in the greeter already
[10:41] <ochosi> that way we don't have to touch the greeter at all for this FFe
[10:42] <bluesabre> brainwash: ideally
[10:42] <brainwash> how do you pass the new greeter timeout?
[10:42] <ochosi> brainwash: modify /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[10:42] <ochosi> that's the only way
[10:42] <ochosi> at least right now
[10:42] <brainwash> multi user systems... :(
[10:42] <ochosi> so yeah, before you say it, multiple users can override each other
[10:43] <brainwash> :P
[10:43] <ochosi> but that's *always* the case
[10:43] <ochosi> even now
[10:43] <ochosi> per-user greeter settings just don't make sense at all
[10:43] <brainwash> only people with root privileges can change it anyway
[10:43] <ochosi> ypu
[10:43] <ochosi> yup
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> knome: is rev 625 of the ubiquity slideshow going to be our final? I'm asking so I know if I can start working on its translation?
[10:54] <knome> don't start yet
[10:55] <knome> it's not final
[10:56] <slickymasterWork> do you still think that somethings could be improved?
[10:56] <knome> we are missing one slide
[10:56] <knome> etc...
[10:56] <knome> i need to work on the artwork
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> missing one slide where?
[10:57] <knome> in the slideshow
[10:57] <knome> ;)
[10:58] <slickymasterWork> loare we going to add one more slide?
[10:58] <slickymasterWork> s/loare/are
[11:05] <ochosi> humm, new whiskermenu bugfix release
[11:07] <knome> slickymasterWork, just HOLD. :)
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> knome: alrightie
[11:07] <knome> slickymasterWork, i will get a UIFe bug filed today, get it merged and hopefully uploaded soon
[11:23] <bluesabre> ochosi: has it been packaged already (whisker)?
[11:23] <ochosi> nope, i don't think so
[11:24] <ochosi> that's why i mentioned it
[11:24] <ochosi> just read the release-mail on xfce users ml
[11:24] <bluesabre> ah
[11:25] <knome> heh
[11:25] <bluesabre> ok, I'll get to that tonight if Noskcaj doesn't beat me to it
[11:25] <knome> we got handed a package of cashew-peanut-papaya-raisin mix
[11:25] <knome> mission accomplished:
[11:25] <knome> a bowl of raisins left
[11:26] <bluesabre> that would be handy
[11:26] <bluesabre> I bought raisin bran
[11:26] <knome> how's that so satisfying
[11:26] <bluesabre> pretty sure there are 5 raisins in the box
[11:26] <knome> to eat all but the raisins
[11:26] <knome> aha, should send you more
[11:26] <knome> :P
[11:27] <bluesabre> so, I will work on packaging for shimmer-themes, xflock, and potentially whisker tonight
[11:27] <knome> bluesabre, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/slide_per.png
[11:27] <knome> bluesabre, opinion?
[11:28] <bluesabre> use a tahr or a more adorable kitty?
[11:28] <bluesabre> or, grumpy cat
[11:29] <bluesabre> other than that, looks good to me
[11:29] <knome> hah
[11:29] <knome> watch the words
[11:29] <knome> slickymasterWork, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/slide_per.png
[11:29] <bluesabre> s/good/incredible/
[11:29] <knome> hah
[11:29] <knome> no, the "more adorable"
[11:29] <bluesabre> :)
[11:29] <knome> somebody in this room owns that cat
[11:30] <slickymasterWork> I was already seeing it
[11:30] <slickymasterWork> why a cat?!
[11:30] <bluesabre> heh
[11:30] <knome> why not?
[11:30] <knome> isn't it a good pun ;)
[11:31] <brainwash> mmh, the slide mentions libreoffice, but we don't ship it by default
[11:31] <Unit193> ochosi: Jackson knows about it, for some reason told me about it, and 1.3.1 is up.
[11:31] <ochosi> Unit193: hm, you mean whisker?
[11:32] <slickymasterWork> brainwash: the reference to LibreOffice relates to Mugshot
[11:32] <knome> bluesabre, your fault!
[11:32] <Unit193> 1.3.2 is out, what I said is outdated now.
[11:32] <knome> i guess we can drop the mention just as well
[11:32] <knome> it's mentioned in the docs anyway
[11:32] <brainwash> slickymasterWork: I know that
[11:32] <knome> in a better way
[11:33] <knome> "*if* you have libreoffice..."
[11:33] <ochosi> Unit193: yup
[11:33] <brainwash> but it might give the user the impression that libreoffice is installed by default
[11:33] <brainwash> knome: ok
[11:34] <knome> brainwash, bluesabre: damn you two, can either change their nick, same length and same initial is no good
[11:34] <knome> :P
[11:34] <Unit193> Tell me about it.. :P
[11:35] <ochosi> +1
[11:35] <ochosi> s/bluesabre/bluesabretooth/
[11:35] <ochosi> s/brainwash/brainwashed/
[11:35] <knome> lol
[11:36] <ochosi> well, that was easy, eh?
[11:36] <knome> you can just s/bluesabre/bs/ ;)=
[11:36] <Unit193> FWIW, I read 'bluesabre' as blues bre, like what a minion in Despicable Me says.
[11:37] <knome> papple!
[11:37] <Unit193> Banana!
[11:37] <knome> thanks... now i have to use some time to watch clips on youtube
[11:44] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[13:00] <jjfrv8> knome, looks like we got our signals crossed with the recent MPs. When I pulled 163, I saw that some screensaver references were stil in there...
[13:00] <knome> mhm
[13:01] <jjfrv8> so I assumed you had not merged my latest version. That's why I just copied the two chapters with those references over again this morning
[13:04] <jjfrv8> so I'm hoping everything is right now, but it looks like there's one paragraph in the current MP that's the same as the xubuntu-docs branch
[13:29] <jjfrv8> bbl
[15:40] <jhenke> hi everybody
[15:45] <knome> hey
[16:10] <elfy> afternoon
[16:28] <elfy> really sorry about this - but reported a thunar bug ;)
[16:28] <elfy> bug 1294209
[16:30] <pleia2> ouch
[16:32] <elfy> hi pleia2 
[16:32] <pleia2> hi there elfy 
[16:59] <ochosi> hey micahg 
[17:08] <jhenke> hi guys
[17:09] <elfy> hi jhenke 
[17:11] <ochosi> hey
[17:22] <brainwash> elfy: thanks for yet another thunar/xfdesktop bug :P
[17:25] <elfy> I do my best ;)
[17:26] <ochosi> there's a new xfdesktop release btw
[17:26] <ochosi> hope we can get that in, it has lotsa nice bugfixes
[17:27]  * elfy really ought to subscribe to some of these xfce m/lists ... 
[17:29] <Unit193> I check commits every few days.
[17:30] <Unit193> Sooooooo, not sure if it's been fixed in the latest Trusty kernel, but graphics work in liquorix. :P
[17:48] <jhenke> how was the name of the package the include all the packaing/devel tools again?
[17:48] <jhenke> I've forgot the name and I am on a fresh VM image
[17:50] <knome> build-essential?
[17:51] <Unit193> It's what I was thinking, but packaging?
[17:51] <jhenke> yes that was it
[17:51] <jhenke> just forgot the name
[18:17] <jhenke> sorry guys, just experienced a segfault in xfwm4, bug 1294264
[18:19] <ochosi> interesting
[18:20] <ochosi> lots of segfaults all over the place lately
[18:23] <jhenke> short question shall I add a changelog entry after I updated a patch or is that the taks of the person accpeting the pull request?
[18:32] <ochosi> jhenke: yeah, changelog is good generally
[18:32] <ochosi> but not mandatory
[18:41] <jhenke> okay I have fixed the problem in my private branch, to whom shall I send the merge request for xfce4-session?
[19:02] <ochosi> jhenke: can you quickly point me to it?
[19:02] <ochosi> generally speaking, this would be the routine:
[19:02] <ochosi> 1) check whether there's a bugreport upstream
[19:02] <ochosi> 2) if not, submit one
[19:03] <ochosi> 2) if so, check it
[19:03] <ochosi> 3) add the patch there and a comment
[19:03] <ochosi> 4) wait patiently until the/a maintainer picks it up
[19:04] <ochosi> if it's a fix we want in xubuntu and that wont go into a bugfix release soon enough, we can add it to xubuntu
[19:04] <ochosi> for that to happen, simply file a merge request for xfce4-session
[19:15] <jhenke> I just modified the patch that was already in xubuntu
[19:16] <jhenke> ochosi https://code.launchpad.net/~jhe/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker/+merge/211605
[19:18] <ochosi> right
[19:18] <ochosi> there were a few discussions around that
[19:18] <ochosi> we knew about this simple patch :)
[19:23] <jhenke> I just reordered the locking so light locker is always used first if available
[19:23] <jhenke> shouldn't cause any regressions
[19:27] <ochosi> well it shouldnt *now* because light-locker now checks whether it's running (with the 1.2.1 update)
[19:27] <ochosi> before that update it was actually not entirely unproblematic
[19:29] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj 
[19:30] <Noskcaj> morning ochosi 
[19:30] <ochosi> just a quick heads up
[19:30] <ochosi> new bugfix releases for xfdesktop and whiskermenu today
[19:30] <ochosi> if you have time, that'd be great
[19:31] <Noskcaj> yep, packaging now
[19:31] <ochosi> bluesabre said he could take care of whisker, so xfdesktop would have higher priority
[19:31] <ochosi> but if you wanna do both, i guess he won't be mad at you :p
[19:33] <Noskcaj> I'll do both in debian, i'm guessing he meant straight to ubuntu
[19:33] <ochosi> possibly, i dunno
[19:33] <ochosi> but debian sounds good
[19:33] <Noskcaj> also, tthe indicator update finally hit trusty
[19:34] <ochosi> which one?
[19:34] <Noskcaj> 2.3.2
[19:35] <ochosi> ah great
[19:35] <ochosi> the theming fixes we did )
[19:35] <ochosi> ah, no, the prop dialog
[19:36] <ochosi> theming fixes was 2.3.1
[19:44] <jhenke> hi Noskcaj
[19:45] <Noskcaj> hey jhenke 
[19:57] <ochosi> have a good one everyone
[20:01] <elfy> bug 1290575
[20:01] <elfy> is this one fixed or not - got it affecting 2 things - one's confirmed the other fixed
[20:02] <elfy> if whoever thinks it is fixed then it isn't
[20:36] <brainwash> elfy: apparently not fixed
[20:37] <brainwash> the greeter was patched to exit properly and free allocated memory, but there seems to be another problem
[20:38] <brainwash> a problem which I cannot reproduce
[20:39] <brainwash> it happened once so far and I simply blamed xmir for breaking it
[20:39] <elfy> lol 
[20:39] <elfy> well I don't have that so we can't blame it :p
[20:40] <brainwash> right, but you have some log files we would like to see I guess :D
[20:40] <elfy> probably
[20:40] <elfy> but let's not get into that guessing game stuff again - you tell me what you want and I'll provide it
[20:40] <brainwash> basically the stuff in /var/log/lightdm
[20:42] <elfy> next time it happens I'll add it to the bug report
[20:44] <brainwash> thanks, you can skip the .old files, because these are the log files created by the previous lightdm or greeter start
[20:44] <brainwash> and the files containing a number greater than 0
[20:47] <elfy> yep
[20:48] <elfy> just the 2 lightdm.log and x-0.log
[20:49] <brainwash> and x-0-greeter
[20:55] <elfy> yep - didn't see that
[20:56] <elfy> ta
[20:59] <jhenke> good night
[21:00] <elfy> night jhenke 
[23:05] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1293305
[23:05] <brainwash> any thoughts?