[01:21] <im_zsw> i lost my login pass
[01:29] <im_zsw> hello
[01:29] <David-A> im_zsw: you forgot it, or you remember it but the system forgot it?
[01:30] <im_zsw> i forgot it but i did a recovery mode and it did not work at all
[01:32] <im_zsw> ubottu what is dtephendash
[01:32] <im_zsw> Danid-A hello
[01:32] <StrangeRat> good evening
[01:33] <David-A> im_zsw: in recovery mode, did you have a text consol with a "#" prompt?
[01:33] <im_zsw> no
[01:33] <im_zsw> i did not
[01:33] <StrangeRat> i am having issues with nvidia i think when i goto run games on steam for example the video quality is all grainy and the game is very laggy
[01:34] <David-A> ubottu, I think you *are* intelligent, and beautiful too :)
[01:34] <im_zsw> i dissagree
[01:34] <im_zsw> jk i love you ubotttu
[01:35] <im_zsw> 3 t's damn
[01:35] <David-A> okay, not *that* intelligent then
[01:35] <StrangeRat> ai love
[01:35] <im_zsw> lol
[01:35] <StrangeRat> is optimal love
[01:37] <David-A> it didn't object to being called beautiful. that hansom little bot
[01:37] <StrangeRat> so i have a nvidia 660 and when i goto to use steam to play tf2 or dota the graphics are horrible and its super laggy
[01:37] <StrangeRat> i have the bumble bee drivers installed and the latest drivers for nvidia (331)
[01:38] <David-A> im_zsw: I don't remember if a password is needed when going into recovery mode. if it is, then an alternative is to run a live-system and edit the passwd file on the harddrive
[01:39] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i dont have disk
[01:40] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> is a hash file stored someware in database that i can access ?
[01:41] <David-A> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: if you have no password for a user with sudo rights or for root itself, i dont think you can just bypass the security of a running system. it would be quite a security hole if you could.
[01:42] <Unit193> !pwreset | INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL
[01:43] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i can scan for one
[01:44] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> and i would not doubt there is one there
[01:54] <StrangeRat> is anyone well versed on video card issues?
[01:54] <knome> why don't you ask the question and find out if anybody knows the solution to your issue?
[01:54] <knome> (which is what you should do. welcome!)
[01:55] <StrangeRat> i always start that way i will ask
[01:56] <knome> no need to, this channel is designed for support questions
[01:56] <StrangeRat> i have a nvidia 660 and when i run games its really laggy i am using the nvidia driver 331 and bumblebee with edgers
[01:57] <StrangeRat> i also have no controls in my nvidia control panel like i used to i am not sure what has happened
[01:58] <StrangeRat> it just shows profiles under nvidia settings
[02:48] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i have waited a really long time
[03:00] <David-A> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: did you read the link provided by the bot? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[03:01] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> yes and as i noted befor that method did not work
[03:01] <krytarik> !details | INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL
[03:02] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i have provided details
[03:02] <bazhang> doesn't work is not much of a detail
[03:02] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: give some for the volunteers, please. i dont see anything relevant in the scroll back
[03:03] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i did befor
[03:03] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: do it again, please
[03:03] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: i dont see your details
[03:03] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i lost my login pass
[03:04] <holstein> !password | INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL
[03:04] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: that is what i use.. whats happening for you?
[03:04] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> that method did not work
[03:05] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL:  i boot the recover console, and i run "mount -rw -o remount /" ..then, i use the passwd command
[03:05] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i did such things
[03:05] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: what is not working? and how? what are the specific errors?
[03:05] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: ?
[03:05] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> the root shell is not responding
[03:06] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: you could have a bad/failing hard drive
[03:06] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: can you boot the root shell?
[03:06] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password is what i use
[03:06] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> more than likely but everything seems okay whit my hard drive
[03:07] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: seems? hard drives dont "seem". thay are either good or bad
[03:07] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: can you get to the root console? the recover console?
[03:07] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> so in my cans 'good' ?
[03:08] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: can you get to the root console? following the steps at http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password ?
[03:08] <David-A> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: not responding? do you get a shell prompt, so you know you are in the shell? can you type a command, but it will not be executed? or?
[03:08] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> lrt me see. i want to try to go through a security hole though
[03:08] <holstein> Boot up the machine, and after the BIOS screen, hold down the left shift key to bring up the grub menu
[03:08] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: ?
[03:09] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: the recovery console is how to repair the issue you have caused.. if you want to try and "hack" your sytem, try the security channels
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> after the grub menu is brought up go to ubuntu settings "or somthing like that" and a root shell "should"
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> ok
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> so #networking?
[03:10] <bazhang> ##security
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> ok
[03:10] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: you should see the menu.. the second entry will be the recovery console i, and the link are referencing
[03:11] <holstein> that is how you would compromise your account.. if you had lost the machine.. thats why you do disk or partition encyption to combat that security hole
[03:12] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> yes
[03:12] <holstein> otherwise, you would exploit a service running on the machine to compromise someone's account.. a root user or whatever.. but its not to compromise someones account like you are referencing
[03:12] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: you just use the recovery console... no need for a security hole
[03:12] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: its a feature.. not a security hole
[03:12] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> im 12 knowone cares about my data. not that many people want to be assh#### and mess ur junk up
[03:12] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> lol
[03:13] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: its not about "caring" about your data.. its about this.. what is your question? if you are trying to recover your password, use the guide.. if you are not, then, use the proper channel for your quesiton
[03:14] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> ? i was not talking about that at all goodbye.
[05:31] <Linux25> Im using Xubuntu on my PC and ubuntu on my laptop, one feature i like in ubuntu is the ability to add multiple clocks for different timezones, they show as a list under the calendar, is there something similar for xubuntu?
[06:24] <cheri703_> hey xubuntu folks. I am having an annoying issue and I don't know where to start on sorting it out. Sometimes (not always) when I try to open quasselclient, it shows up if I check system monitor, but it doesn't actually *open*, and I can't alt+tab to it. Sometimes I can reboot and it'll open, sometimes not. In the past it would do this but I could click on a notification and suddenly it'd pop up, OR it would disappear if I clicked on one. Anyone
[06:43] <Unit193> Howdy.  This is just the client version right?  The one you connect to the core with rather than direct connect?  What version and package? (there's a qt and -kde version.)  I'd try launching it from the terminal and see if you get any messages, also check .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log (if in 13.10)
[06:45] <cheri703_> Yeah, I just uninstalled the qt version and installed the other one
[06:45] <cheri703_> from terminal it says "Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 14: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. No DockManager available "
[06:46] <cheri703_> oh, and version and package is...whatever's newest. I can check
[06:48] <cheri703_> quassel-client 0.9.1-0ubuntu1.1
[06:51] <Unit193> Hrm, well that's not much output, so best to try the -d switch to enable debugging.  FWIW, I have the quassel-client-qt4 package installed and it appears to be working.
[06:51] <cheri703_> yeah, I had that installed and it was doing the same thing
[06:51] <cheri703_> I'll try -d
[06:57] <cheri703_> hmm...looks like the issue might be that it is supposed to start minimized to the systray, but there is no systray anymore
[06:58] <cheri703_> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1242
[06:58] <Unit193> Don't have it in Xfce panel?
[06:59] <cheri703_> I mean, I have the usual notification/indicator areas, but haven't had a quassel one since switching to xubuntu
[07:01] <Unit193> Ah, indicators are a little broken in 13.10 unless you manually fix them, 14.04 is a lot better, or will be, there.  It will/should be in indicator-messages.
[07:03] <cheri703_> ok, I'm hoping to upgrade at that point. Is there a way to force it to open maximized instead of minimized to tray?
[07:03] <arrith> Unit193: what are your thoughts on waiting a month or two or three after say a release of an LTS to avoid any remaining bugs?
[07:04] <cheri703_> That's fine for the upgrade, I need to be able to use quassel in the meantime though :/
[07:04] <Unit193> cheri703_: I'd disable the tray icon in the settings, that should do it.  Also, the config file isn't as easy, but in theory you could manually edit that.
[07:05] <cheri703_> a while ago somehow bitlbee ate my whole chat, so I had to reinstall quassel-core.
[07:05] <Unit193> arrith: I don't generally wait that long, but I also know from other computers or VMs what bugs I will personally hit.
[07:05] <data_> hi i need some help please
[07:05] <cheri703_> I can't *get* to the settings because I can't get to the menus because I can't open the window because it's opening minimized in non-existent tray
[07:06] <data_> Error mounting /dev/sdb1 at /media/data/7290E02C90DFF497: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sdb1" "/media/data/7290E02C90DFF497"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[07:06] <data_> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[07:06] <data_> Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Operation not permitted
[07:06] <data_> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[07:06] <data_> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[07:06] <data_> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[07:06] <data_> how can i access this it has all my files i saved to my second harddrive before i installed xubuntu
[07:07] <Unit193> cheri703_: UseSystemTrayIcon=false MinimizeOnClose=false MainWinHidden=false  should do it in the config file.
[07:07] <Unit193> data_: Do you have Windows?
[07:07] <data_> no
[07:08] <Unit193> cheri703_: .config/quassel-irc.org/quasselclient.conf being the config.
[07:08] <data_> i installed xubntu full time
[07:08] <data_> xubuntu*
[07:08] <cheri703_> \o/ Thanks Unit193!! That worked! :D
[07:08] <Unit193> cheri703_: Fantastic!
[07:09] <data_> I have had two harddrives
[07:10] <data_> one had win8 that i installed xubuntu fresh on the main hdd
[07:10] <data_> my second harddrive i put files on it that i needed
[07:10] <data_> so i could have them on xubuntu
[07:10] <data_> now it wont let me mount the drive.
[07:10] <data_> or access the files.
[07:11] <Unit193> Well, you could mount read only, though that won't help you when you need to edit files, best idea is to run some form of chkdsk on it.
[07:12] <data_> im not sure how to do this
[07:14] <data_> any ideas?
[07:16] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/290630/problem-to-enter-in-ntfs-partition looks like the best bet is to stick it in a computer with windows and have chkdsk/ntfs on it.
[07:16] <arrith> sometimes a fsck is necessary. though i might be misremembering but i *think* there's some way to force a mount
[07:17] <arrith> might not always work
[07:17] <data_> so there is no way to do this within linux?
[07:17] <Unit193> Yeah, could force a mount, think I did when I dualbooted back in '08.
[07:18] <data_> i dont have the option to dual boot.
[07:18] <data_> i did a fresh install with xubuntu over my windows 8
[07:19] <data_> so basically i lost everything?
[07:20] <arrith> data_: try to force a mount
[07:20] <data_> how do i do that?
[07:20] <data_> sorry im new with xubuntu
[07:21] <arrith> http://blog.arvixe.com/how-to-force-mount-unclean-shutdowned-windows-ntfs-or-fat32-drive-in-linux/
[07:24] <arrith> data_: step 2
[07:24] <data_> its not letting me
[07:24] <arrith> data_: what message do you get
[07:24] <Unit193> !pastebin
[07:24] <arrith> you should make sure you're referring to the correct partition
[07:27] <data_> arrith: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7112708/
[07:28] <arrith> data_: try    -o ro,force
[07:28] <arrith> for read only
[07:28] <data_> ?
[07:29] <data_> so i type mount -o ro
[07:29] <data_> ?
[07:29] <arrith> data_: instead of   -o force   do instead    -o ro,force
[07:29] <arrith> data_: ro and force   -o ro,force
[07:30] <data_> i dont get what you mean im sorry
[07:31] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o force,ro
[07:31] <arrith> data_: instead of
[07:31] <arrith> data_: sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o force
[07:31] <arrith> ",ro" at the end
[07:32] <arrith> or
[07:32] <data_> oot@data:/home/data/Desktop# sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o force rontfs-3g: You must specify exactly one device and exactly one mount point.
[07:33] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /media/external
[07:34] <data_> root@data:/home/data/Desktop# sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /media/externalfuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/external: No such file or directory
[07:34] <data_> root@data:/home/data/Desktop#
[07:34] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /media/external
[07:34] <arrith> oh
[07:34] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[07:35] <arrith> data_: second one
[07:35] <data_> ok now the drive is gone
[07:35] <data_> off the deskto
[07:35] <arrith> data_: that's ok, do
[07:35] <arrith> data_:   xdg-open /mnt
[07:36] <data_> ok all the files show locked
[07:37] <arrith> data_: you can copy them off
[07:37] <arrith> data_: backup the files you want, then you can delete the partition to make use of the space
[07:37] <data_> i dragged the file to the desktop
[07:38] <data_> now i cant open anything on the dekstop
[07:38] <data_> incldin my home folder
[07:38] <arrith> data_: to read some files, you might have to do      gksu thunar /mnt
[07:38] <data_> im talking about the desk top
[07:38] <data_> my home folder
[07:38] <data_> or any icons
[07:39] <data_> oh i had to
[07:39] <data_> close that stupid error box
[07:39] <arrith> data_: what was the error?
[07:39] <data_> member when i tried to first open up the drive
[07:39] <data_> it was giving me that error
[07:39] <data_> i still had the box open
[07:40] <arrith> oh
[07:40] <arrith> data_: good. well that's how you copy your data off, that ntfs-3g line and then xdg-open
[07:40] <data_> no once i get the files off is there a command i can type to format
[07:40] <data_> and make the drive usable?
[07:40] <arrith> data_: you might want to copy the files you want to keep off of xubuntu somewhere safe, then do a reinstall that uses the entire drive
[07:41] <arrith> data_: it might be easier
[07:41] <arrith> data_: if you want to learn, to partition you can use the gparted tool
[07:41] <data_> well i have two drives
[07:41] <data_> one drive has ubuntu on it
[07:42] <data_> the second drive was just a extra one
[07:42] <arrith> data_: well you can use it however you want to
[07:42] <data_> i cant just enter a command to format that drive we just got opend and make it appear back on desktop
[07:43] <arrith> if you have regular backups, doing a raid 0 for speed is always nice
[07:43] <arrith> data_: you can do    umount /mnt    then right click it on the desktop and there might be a 'format' option
[07:45] <xubuntu108> Anybody help please, I can't install VLC in xubuntu 13.1
[07:45] <data_> arrith
[07:45] <data_> the drive showed back up
[07:45] <data_> but when i right click
[07:45] <data_> it gives me no option to format
[07:46] <arrith> xubuntu108: paste the error you get to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <data_> just open and i cant open because that errorr
[07:46] <arrith> data_: ah, you'll have to use gparted then. but before you do any formatting stuff make sure you have all the data you want
[07:46] <arrith> data_: all the data you want from it copied off to a safe place
[07:46] <data_> yeah
[07:46] <data_> i do
[07:47] <data_> can you please give me the command? sorry if im annoying u
[07:47] <arrith> data_: https://www.google.com/#q=how+to+format+gparted
[07:47] <data_> ok thank you
[07:47] <arrith> data_: top result, How to Format a USB Drive in Ubuntu Using GParted - How-To Geek www.howtogeek.com
[07:47] <data_> ill give it a go if not ill come back
[07:47] <data_> thanks so much for ur help
[07:48] <arrith> Unit193: -o ro,force worked
[09:42] <Beryl> There's no graphical way to disable guest logins is there? If i remember you add guest=disable or something to lightdm.conf
[11:51] <brauleinchen> I took a set of pictures with a sony camera and xubuntu 13.10 doesnt recognize the unit
[11:53] <baizon> brauleinchen: check the format of the picutre
[11:53] <brauleinchen> i cannot acces any data, all the camera shows is "usb mode connecting"
[11:56] <baizon> brauleinchen: check the dmesg info
[11:56] <brauleinchen> baizon, how do I do that?
[11:57] <baizon> brauleinchen: open terminal and type dmesg
[11:57] <brauleinchen> yes, it does list the camera
[11:58] <baizon> brauleinchen: pls post the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[11:58] <brauleinchen> uffff
[11:58] <brauleinchen> long string
[11:58] <baizon> mark and copy?
[11:58] <knome> brauleinchen, dmesg | pastebinit
[11:59] <brauleinchen> rellaaY
[11:59] <baizon> hmm, didnt know that. Thanks knome :)
[11:59] <brauleinchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7113672/
[11:59] <brauleinchen> COOL
[12:03] <brauleinchen> is this a drivers issue?
[12:31] <momo_eleven> dou you know where i can find the std xubuntu xfce menu?
[12:50] <baddog05> good morning
[12:53] <baddog05> I am a noob at xubuntu and need some help, anyone want to help an old man cross the street?
[12:56] <knome> baddog05, welcome! just ask your question and if somebody knows the answer, they will most probably reply
[12:57] <baddog05> cool thanks
[12:58] <baddog05> I have just installed xubuntu on hyper v and just can not seem to get it to work wirelessly to my network through the host system. i have tried bridging etc. no avail, unless i am doing it wrong. wired works fine. just trying to learn the system
[13:09] <GridCube> baddog05, at that level (hardware) xubuntu shares the same settings than any ubuntu, maybe if no one knows here you can get a responce in other channels, or you dont have to limit your search on internet to xubuntu, any answer you find for ubuntu "should" work, enphasis in should
[13:12] <baddog05> thanks. yeah for some reason just not clicking. just like anything else, will have to keep hammering at it. since i am pretty new at it, i can not count out user error. once i get past this i can start getting a little deeper into things.
[13:32] <akis> hi all. i am running 12.04 and for file manager i am using dolphin. since last week every time i pluged a usb stick or a sd card dolphin recognised it automatically and placed it under trash icon. suddenly this stopped and every time i am plugging the usb stick i have to choose 'show all entries' in left panel to see usb stick and use it. any idea about a solution on this this issue?
[13:40] <nlsthzn> possible bug issue / after a reboot the panel I have on the second display will show the the open windows from the primary display in the "Windows Button" item and not the windows from the secondary screen.  When I select and then again deselect "Show windows from all monitors" for "Windows Buttons" it resumes working correctly...
[13:40] <euryale> hi guys!
[13:40] <GridCube> akis, dolphin is from kde, i would suggest you to ask on a kde related channel :)
[13:41] <GridCube> !hi | euryale
[13:42] <euryale> do u guys know how to configure xfce so it will not conflict with compiz's plugins like the alt+tab.
[13:42] <akis> GridCube: thanks. i went already in kubuntu (although i am running xubuntu).
[13:44] <GridCube> euryale, did you replaced xfwm4 with compiz? if you do then all the keyboard stuffs should go to compiz, but remember that compiz itself is not supported in any way by xubuntu
[13:45] <euryale> ? @gridcube im confuse, i just installed compiz that's all, i don't know about replacing everything in xfce.
[13:45] <euryale> or how do i do that ? :D
[13:46] <euryale> workspaces doesn't work too.
[13:46] <GridCube> euryale, press alt-f2 and do "compiz --replace" or something like that, again, if you do we will not be able to give you support here, you will have to go to a compiz channel
[13:47] <euryale> oh ok. yes i did that, and have it start upon login. ok i will try the compiz channel i hope someone's active.
[13:48] <GridCube> euryale, good luck :)
[13:48] <euryale> lolol the last time i checked, no one's actually there to help.
[13:50] <GridCube> sorry about that, compiz is pretty much a dying project
[13:52] <euryale> sad about that. i tried compton last night, i was not happy, it's ok. but not my type.
[14:16] <openess> I'm having wierd trouble with the live-cd (on USB) On my old machine it works just fine, but on my new computer it hangs when I click "try xubuntu".
[14:18] <openess> ther's a bunch of lines on the screen, but I don't know how best to copy them to you
[14:20] <openess> the weird part (i think) is that it doesn't seem to be a boot problem (since it first boots and then hangs on my clicking try) but still the copy works with my other computer, so I don't think it's a bad write
[14:23] <openess> the last line of output looks like a couple of lines jumbled: "Stopping Restore Sound Card Statedaemonrypted block devicesrrt/stop"
[14:26] <openess> could it be a hardware support issue, I have no idea how to go about solving (or diagnosing) that.
[15:26] <holstein> openess: i would think, GPU driver support
[15:27] <holstein> !nomodeset
[15:27] <holstein> openess: sometimes, i'll suggest installing with a minimal iso, and adding a proprietary driver if available, *then* running/installing the desktop.. or, using a custom xorg.conf with the vesa driver to get in and get started
[15:33] <openess> holstein: thanx. nomodeset did the trick, and I'm now in live mode.
[15:35] <openess> I havn't used *buntu in a very long time so driver management and rarely used settings are precisely the thing I don't know how to do.
[15:38] <holstein> openess: ideally, the manufacturer allows linux to be able to support you.. or, they support linux themselves.. if not, then, it can be challenging
[15:45] <openess> I've used arch for the last couple of years, and am now installing for my grandmother. I thought HP would be a safe choice, I have good experience with their computers
[15:46] <holstein> openess: i find its generally "best" to go with what you can maintain the easiest.. the hardware support will be the same for most any distro
[15:55] <xubuntu530> Hi Can you help me? I am just a beginner with xubuntu. I need to change usage of my laptop battery from economy mode(59%)  to full charge mode. Could not find how to do that...
[15:56] <holstein> xubuntu530: thats not whats hapenning.. there is no mode for using only 59% of your battery
[15:56] <holstein> xubuntu530: its just reporting that.. and that can be due to bad/old hardware.. or, the bios reporting incorretly, or the software not being able to comunicate with the hardware
[15:57] <holstein> xubuntu530: the battery live will seldom be "better" in linux.. so, if you are getting a similar or a bit less amount of time from the battery, that is to be expected
[16:03] <xubuntu530> hardware is new. I have Lenovo laptop with Power Management and had Windows before and then i got xubuntu instead/ With Windows i could choose between 59% battery mode and full charge/ Then i installed xubuntu and cant change economy mode now/
[16:03] <holstein> xubuntu530: lenovo doesnt support linux
[16:03] <xubuntu530> i know
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu530: so, whatever economy mode was, was likely something etiher in the bios that you can disable, or as i said above, something the software cant communicate with
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu530: there is no
[16:04] <holstein> "mode" in linux that will use 60% of the battery like that
[16:04] <holstein> there is cpu scaling, and things to make the battery potentially last longer.. but, typically, the battery life just takes a hit
[16:07] <xubuntu530> but it stuck now on economy mode and i cant chang it. So there is no option to change it? I tried the bios already((
[16:09] <holstein> xubuntu530: nothing about linux or xubuntu is going to prevent that from being changed.. but, if there is a proprietary application in windows that is provided by lenovo to windows only, that may be the only way to set that settings, whatever it is
[16:09] <holstein> xubuntu530: i once had to take a LUG members machine, and install windows xp on it to be able to enable the wifi adapter on an HP machine due to a similar situation
[16:10] <openess> what does "stuck in economy mode" mean. what does it do? doesn't it charge, or does it lower performance?
[16:10] <holstein> xubuntu530: i would look around the web for "lenovo model number ubuntu" and see what comes up
[16:11] <xubuntu530> it charge but only to 59%. I have a flight tomorrow so i wanted to chang it to full charge to watch movie...
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu530: i dont think so
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu530: i really think economy mode is more about the cpu speed, and making the battery last longer
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu530: i think, as i said, the battery is just being reported at 59%
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu530: your battery life will not be as good in linux as it was in windows.
[16:13] <cfhowlett> sad but true
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu530: if you'd like some help searching the net, state the model of the lenovo you have.
[16:15] <openess> holstein: that depends on the linux dist, but with all the flashy software we love so much about ubuntu, it is true.
[16:18] <xubuntu530>  lenovo-g580
[16:19] <holstein> well, the fact is, any manufacturer is able to and encouraged to support the machines they make in linux.. but, typically they do not
[16:19] <holstein> and, its actually has little to do with the distro, openess .. its more about the module support in the kernel
[16:20] <holstein> you can turn off "flashy".. but, you can address kernel driver support as easily
[16:22] <holstein> xubuntu530: i dont read anything online that supports the issue you are stating.. i dont think the battery is at 60%.. i think its reporting to be there
[16:23] <holstein> xubuntu530: there is no mode that uses only 60% of the battery. economy mode should be, as i suggested, about using less resources and making the battery last longer
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu530: i think you are assuming the mode is using only 60% of the battery.. in linux, you may get the battery reporting 60%, but actually be full
[16:24] <xubuntu530> there was such a mode with lenovo power manager
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu530: what i suggest is, look for and apply all upgrades, and let the machine run, and see how the battery bahaves
[16:25] <holstein> xubuntu530: i dont think so, friend
[16:25] <holstein> xubuntu530: that makes no sense. the mode is to use less resources for the battery to last longer.. its not about using "less battery".. meaning physically less of the battery
[16:29] <holstein> xubuntu530: you may want to keep windows around on the machine to communicate to the hardware the changes you are wanting..
[16:31] <openess> holstein: you're right that it doesn't have a lot to do with the dist. I simplified, possibly wrongly, that different dists use different amounts of battery based on the software they ship, and expect the user to run.
[16:31] <xubuntu530> Can i make it using Virtual Box?
[16:32] <holstein> xubuntu530: thats a quation for the manufacturer.. but, i dont think lenovo will allow you to communicate that through a VM.. or with the assumed application in wine
[16:32] <holstein> xubuntu530: what do i think is going on? i think there was a mode in the OS, and you are assuming, since the battery monitor is reporting 60% that there is a problem
[16:34] <xubuntu530> i just wanted to have my laptop on a trip longer tomorrow
[16:34] <holstein> xubuntu530: sure, and nothing here is preventing that, friend.. but, you are assuming anything is wrong
[16:35] <xubuntu530> yes coz if i cant chang....
[16:36] <holstein> xubuntu530: there may be nothing to change
[16:40] <phunyguy> hello, I am trying to test out Xubuntu 12.04.4, and in the release notes, it says it comes with the saucy kernel.  However, it does not, and this laptop absolutely refuses to work with the 3.2 kernel.
[16:40] <phunyguy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu#PrecisePangolin.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure.Ubuntu_Kernel_3.11
[16:40] <phunyguy> is there any way around this or am I boned?  Thanks
[16:41] <holstein> phunyguy: youcan always use whatever kernel you like
[16:41] <Unit193> phunyguy: How far can you get?
[16:41] <xubuntu530> ok/ will try battery capacity tomorow / Thanks for your time
[16:41] <phunyguy> can't even get to desktop, and there is no network adapters present
[16:42] <phunyguy> holstein: I would love to, but I can't even install or use live cd
[16:42] <phunyguy> I tried 14.04, but it is not ready, lol.
[16:42] <holstein> at this point, i would just go forward
[16:42] <phunyguy> booooooooooooo
[16:42] <behrooz> hello , how i can install kernel 3.11 on xubuntu 12.04.0
[16:42] <phunyguy> :(
[16:43] <phunyguy> behrooz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop#LTS_Hardware_Enablement_Stack
[16:43] <phunyguy> `sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-saucy xserver-xorg-lts-saucy `
[16:44] <phunyguy> holstein: why don't the release notes match the scenario?  :(
[16:44] <phunyguy> makes me sad.
[16:44] <holstein> phunyguy: typo? pretty sure the moneyback gurantee still stands ;)
[16:45] <Unit193> The issue was pointed out on the ML too, not sure why it was written that we have the enablement stack.
[16:45] <phunyguy> grumblecakes.
[16:45] <phunyguy> ahh well.  Was just trying it on a whim.
[16:45] <Unit193> What was wrong with Trusty?
[16:45] <behrooz> phunyguy:this kernel is ok ? i feel kernel 3.8 on my xubuntu more use battery ? dose kernel 3.11 better than 3.8 ?
[16:46] <Unit193> I personally use 3.10 on my Saucy box, but that's unsupported and another story. :P
[16:47] <openess> I'm now having network issues with the live-usb. The (wireless) network first connects, but after less than a minute it disconnects, and is then unable to connect (to any network) again. reboot has reproduced this behaviour
[16:48] <holstein> openess: what device? is it a broadcom chip?
[16:48] <openess> sometimes I do and sometimes I don't get the error "(32) Connection could not be found."
[16:51] <Morrog> hello :) for those that remember me from yesterday: i had an issue with xscreensaver/xflock4 interacting poorly with dpms. i managed to swap xscreensaver/xflock4 with a combination of xautolock and i3lock. now after a certain idle time, the backlight is shut off completely. works like a charm for me.
[16:52] <Morrog> thank you anyway for listening
[16:52] <Unit193> Nice, thank you for giving feedback to whoever may be here.
[16:52] <Morrog> no problem :)
[16:57] <openess> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=se&lc=sv&dlc=sv&tmp_geoLoc=true&docname=c04019280
[16:57] <openess> that's the one.
[17:13] <holstein> openess: i had a broadcom chip that was acting like that.. i eventually just swapped it out.. you can open a terminal and run "lspci" and see what wifi chip is listen
[17:13] <holstein> !wifi > openess
[17:14] <holstein> ^ that might have some handy info on determining as well..
[17:26] <behrooz> i use xubuntu 12.04.4 with kernel 3.8.0-37 generic , on lennovo G-500 with intel hd 4000 vga
[17:27] <behrooz> now i want upgrade kernel to 3.11 ,is battery consumption an kernel 3.11 less than it at kernel 3.8 ?
[17:28] <holstein> behrooz: you'd have to try it on your specific hardware.. i suggest just upgrading to 14.04 when its released in a few weeks
[17:29] <holstein> behrooz: you can then easily test the 14.04 live and see how it works with your hardware before installing.. even do some battery tests if you like that should be quite relevant from the live CD
[17:29] <behrooz> which version kernel use in 14.04 ?
[17:29] <behrooz> is it 8.12 ?
[17:30] <holstein> behrooz: you can use uname -a to see what is in your 12.04
[17:30] <behrooz> i know it . 14.4 lts use kernel 3.11 or 3.12 ?
[17:30] <Unit193> 13
[17:34] <behrooz> has release xfce 4.12 ?
[17:35] <Unit193> Xfce 4.12 doesn't exist, but Xubuntu 14.04 has bits of 4.11
[19:25] <astraljava> Hey dudes and dudettes. Anyone have an idea how to resize the panel(s) after an external display has been disconnected during suspend?
[19:26] <astraljava> Currently it seems to remember the overall size (horizontally) that the two displays (laptop screen + external display) had combined, and thinks the panel(s) should occupy that whole space still.
[19:30] <astraljava> Okay, xrandr seems to do the trick easily with the -s option, so I guess I'll just work with that whenever it happens again, if it keeps happening.
[19:31] <astraljava> Sorry for the noise. :) Please return to your regularly scheduled programme.
[19:31] <behrooz> hello everyone , i have question for run source browser plugin in gedit 3.4.1
[19:31] <behrooz> may i have question here ?
[21:42] <lokote_jones> My laptop has a HD3200M video card in it. The driver for it under linux is available from ATI but it requires ia32 libs. Xubuntu is now using multiarch and the driver bricks the installation without the ia32 (I tried to force install it and I lost X). Can someone help me or tell me how to make ia32 drivers work under xubuntu?
[21:44] <lokote_jones> (I would consider paying USD's for a fix to this - like $25 or something... a game on steam or something? --- puttin a bounty on it. lol)
[21:44] <holstein> lokote_jones: there should be a few options.. have you tried the open driver? and the one in the repos?
[21:44] <Hedgework> lokote_jones: The narrative you just provided suggests that either a different driver or a custom-compiled kernel will be required, however I have no specific experience with that card on Xubuntu.
[21:44] <lokote_jones> holstein: When I open the driver window it doesn't like any alternative drivers as being available.
[21:44] <lokote_jones> list*
[21:44] <holstein> lokote_jones: ok.. have you tried the open one and any from the repos, then?
[21:44] <holstein> !ati > lokote_jones
[21:45] <holstein> ^ thats what i always refer to
[21:45] <lokote_jones> holstein: Thanks. I'll go read into it. I think the open driver doesn't support my card but I will experiment and pop back in if it doesn't work.
[21:46] <holstein> lokote_jones: you shouldnt need a 32bit driver..
[21:47] <Beryl> why is guest login even enabled? it's a huge security hole since you can pwn any desktop
[21:48] <holstein> Beryl: if you can touch the machine, then, you can use the recovery kernel to "pwn"..
[21:48] <holstein> for me, the guest account is more about someone using the machine that you want to give a "safe" environment to
[21:48] <lokote_jones> http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=Legacy2&os=Linux%20x86_64 That is the 64bit driver.
[21:48] <Beryl> recovery can have a password...
[21:48] <lokote_jones> But it requires 32 bit packages
[21:49] <holstein> Beryl: no.. you can encypt the data..
[21:49] <Beryl> don't bother with really old amd drivers, the open source ones work fine
[21:49] <Beryl> AMD's latest FGLRX for 7000+ are good but all of the old GPUs have better OSS drivers
[21:49] <lokote_jones> Beryl: My vid card is a 3xxx but I think the open source ones only go back to 5xxx
[21:49] <holstein> Beryl: that is not for your, friend.. its for lokote_jones
[21:50] <Beryl> I know....
[21:50] <Beryl> lokote_jones: try xorg edgers and use the latest kernel, should run ok
[21:52] <lokote_jones> Beryl: Could you shoot me a link to instructions on doing that? I have never used the edgers ppa.
[21:52] <Beryl> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[21:52] <Beryl> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[21:52] <Beryl> that repo generally has the newest drivers for all GPus
[21:53] <Beryl> open and closed
[21:53] <lokote_jones> Once I add that ppa; How do I know what driver to pull for my card?
[21:53] <holstein> lokote_jones: the same open one
[21:54] <Beryl> well  you first apt update, then just upgrade everything
[21:54] <holstein> lokote_jones: it'll automatically update the open driver to the latest from that unsupported ppa
[21:54] <Beryl> even though it's an "unsupported" ppa it has thousands of users, including canonical guys
[21:54] <holstein> i have used that ppa.. its a good idea to try it.. i prefer that to the proprietary one from the site
[21:54] <lokote_jones> holstein: Thanks. Beryl: Thanks. It takes a second for the update to work. I'll do a sudo apt-get upgrade next.
[21:55] <holstein> *all* ppa's are unsupproted
[21:55] <lokote_jones> The upgrade; she has begun. Wish me luck.
[21:56] <Beryl> if things go wrong, panic
[21:57] <Beryl> I'm on  14.04... i had to manually install an older clib so firefox would work :-/
[21:57] <Beryl> strange, I had no issues except for a regression from an update
[22:04] <Beryl> xfce runs nice and quick on my old little intel ssd... so much more reliable than any other one i've used, 24/7 os boot drive since 2009
[22:25] <xubuntu193> i'm looking to access a very old ipod touch to remove old music and add some newer stuff. I plugged in my ipod touch into my laptop that has Xubuntu, hoping it would be seen as an external storage device, but no... any suggestions as to how i can do this?
[22:26] <Beryl> there's several free ipod apps in the repo