| jcmcken | hi all -- quick question, when anyone gets a minute | 00:11 |
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| jcmcken | is there a native way to specify that cloud-init configuration baked into an image can override configuration passed as user data? | 00:12 |
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| harmw | smoser: I'm feeding the raw image to glance, which hands it over to my Ceph backend | 08:09 |
| harmw | come to think of it, isn't Glance able to convert images on the fly these days..? | 08:09 |
| harmw | anyway, supplying a vhd to serve Hyper-V would be nice | 08:10 |
| smoser | harmw, glance doesn't (or shouldn't) do it. | 13:06 |
| smoser | generally thats the philosophy with glance. | 13:06 |
| smoser | its just a registry. | 13:06 |
| smoser | hypervisors need to just deal with it. | 13:07 |
| smoser | and i guess then that that means where nova provisions something "to volume" that it needs to do it too. | 13:07 |
| smoser | id' happily cahnge to some other format if that format was as easily consumable and producable as qcow and was also sparse and compressed. | 13:08 |
| smoser | especially if it streamed. wget | convert-to-raw | dd of=block-devic | 13:08 |
| smoser | that is ideal. i guess s/wget/curl/ | 13:08 |
| harmw | ah, well | 13:09 |
| smoser | (so yeah, you touched on somewhat a religous topic for me) | 13:09 |
| harmw | haha :) | 13:09 |
| smoser | it is absolutely absurd to expect "image producers" (or appliance producers or whatever) | 13:09 |
| smoser | to have to offer the same bits in 6 different formats. | 13:10 |
| smoser | and you (as the user) to have to know which one to get. | 13:10 |
| harmw | true, though it is conveniant | 13:10 |
| smoser | the unfair benefit for me of qcow is that it "just works" with kvm. | 13:10 |
| harmw | which was what I'm after :) | 13:10 |
| smoser | so that is me being biased a bit. | 13:10 |
| smoser | harlowja_away, please ping me when in. | 13:17 |
| smoser | i really need to call 0.7.5 by like end of tomorrow | 13:17 |
| smoser | so if there is stuff that you think is or should get in, please let me know. | 13:17 |
| smoser | harmw, same for you above | 13:17 |
| smoser | or anyone else. | 13:17 |
| harmw | hm? ah, cloud-init? | 13:18 |
| smoser | yeah :) | 13:18 |
| smoser | we also talk about cloud-init here sometimes | 13:18 |
| harmw | hehe | 13:18 |
| harmw | well the fbsd stuff is in, and I've not worked on that for quite a while now | 13:19 |
| harmw | mostly waiting for it to arrive in ports | 13:19 |
| harmw | and to busy with cirros :p | 13:19 |
| smoser | again, thanks for your help with that. | 13:20 |
| harmw | sure np | 13:20 |
| harmw | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/cinder/commit/?id=e066158b5235a3879fe90fa3bd813fc3363c01f5 that looks like Glance auto-converting any image type to raw volume | 13:23 |
| harmw | or it converts the image to raw, making cow volumes possible | 13:24 |
| harmw | (meh, Ill just have to read the source at some point time) | 13:24 |
| harmw | smoser: just have Canonical donate me a nice HP Gen8 Microserver and we'll be another step closer to world domination :> | 13:27 |
| smoser | harmw, NUCs are the new hotness. | 13:28 |
| smoser | microservers crap | 13:28 |
| harmw | I'm in for one of those as well :) | 13:29 |
| smoser | nucs are really neat actually. they also have 'eamt' which gets you vnc to the system and remote power control an dsuch. | 13:30 |
| smoser | but to our experiments no serial over lan | 13:30 |
| harmw | so they include some kind of bmc? | 13:31 |
| smoser | essentially. | 13:31 |
| smoser | its consumer grade | 13:31 |
| smoser | but pretty neat. | 13:31 |
| harmw | sweet, didn't know that | 13:31 |
| smoser | it shares 1 NIC with the host | 13:31 |
| harmw | ay | 13:31 |
| smoser | its actually available on lots of system syou probably didn't know about | 13:31 |
| smoser | ie, if you have a thinkpad of < 2 years old they all have it. | 13:31 |
| harmw | I haven't bought hardware in ages, so... :) | 13:31 |
| smoser | yeah, my thinkpad is 4 years old. it missed the eamt by 1 generation | 13:32 |
| smoser | :) | 13:32 |
| harmw | and all servers we have have here come with idrac/ilom or whatever decent thing they have | 13:32 |
| harmw | *installed | 13:32 |
| smoser | eamt is really kindofo hookey, but neat. the vnc works by taking the hosts port 5900 | 13:32 |
| harmw | wtf | 13:32 |
| smoser | ie, you cannot get to that host's IP address on 5900. | 13:32 |
| smoser | it shares the IP | 13:32 |
| harmw | aargh | 13:33 |
| harmw | thats just sux | 13:33 |
| smoser | well, consumer | 13:33 |
| smoser | :) | 13:33 |
| harmw | true :) | 13:33 |
| smoser | what do you want for $300 in a hocky puck sized server | 13:33 |
| harmw | hehe | 13:33 |
| harmw | 2nd nic and 2nd 2.5" hdd :) | 13:33 |
| harmw | ideal compute nodes | 13:33 |
| harmw | atleast in a homelab | 13:34 |
| smoser | yeah. they're really neat. | 13:34 |
| smoser | for the money i think they beat the pants off of hp microservers | 13:34 |
| smoser | at least the onest that we had some of. | 13:34 |
| harmw | ofc, but the new Gen8 microservers are way better compared to the first 3 generations | 13:35 |
| harmw | but enough about that :) back to world domination | 13:35 |
| harmw | when you're gonna branch cirros 0.4? | 13:36 |
| harmw | btw smoser, how about a little tool in bin/ to change to root password when building from source? | 13:46 |
| smoser | booooooooo | 13:47 |
| smoser | this year is our year (cubs) | 13:47 |
| harmw | perhaps, but here we are rather clueless on just wtf the cubs are and why they should win :> | 13:47 |
| smoser | as above where i like to selfishly inflict my preferences of kvm on the world, i also like making people type "cubswin:)" | 13:48 |
| smoser | someone disappointed that "cubswin:)" doesn't show anything about cirros in google | 13:48 |
| harmw | hehe | 13:49 |
| harmw | if I created such a tool, would you merge it? | 13:49 |
| smoser | actually... i've dreamt of "cirros-tools" | 13:50 |
| smoser | as a package | 13:50 |
| smoser | err... a separate project. | 13:50 |
| smoser | fine to start in cirros | 13:50 |
| harmw | hmk? | 13:50 |
| smoser | but that do things like: | 13:50 |
| smoser | cirros-util start lxc | 13:50 |
| smoser | cirros-util download | 13:50 |
| smoser | ... | 13:50 |
| smoser | cirros-util set-passwd cubs-lose | 13:51 |
| smoser | it'd make testing things easier too. | 13:51 |
| harmw | hm hm, interesting | 13:51 |
| smoser | for lxc, though, its in lxc now. 'lxc create -t cirros' (although that there needs a feature to add user-data/meta-data) | 13:51 |
| smoser | actually... i wonder how close 'backdoor-image' would come to working on cirros. | 13:52 |
| smoser | i might have even tested it at one point | 13:52 |
| smoser | (it has code that changes passwords) | 13:52 |
| smoser | https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/backdoor-image | 13:52 |
| smoser | so that might actually work as it is. | 13:53 |
| smoser | backdoor-iamge --user cirros cirros-image.img | 13:53 |
| kwadronaut | (typo) | 13:54 |
| smoser | what is 'sl' ? | 13:54 |
| harmw | isn't that the steamlocomotive? | 13:54 |
| smoser | oh. funny. | 13:54 |
| smoser | :) | 13:54 |
| harmw | ubuntu ships with it iirc | 13:54 |
| smoser | 26k though installed. | 13:55 |
| smoser | wonder if there is a trim version :) | 13:55 |
| harmw | :) | 13:55 |
| smoser | did you ever see the "wheres chuck" meme ? | 13:56 |
| smoser | http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/16/wheres-chuck/ | 13:56 |
| smoser | i had a ascii art version. that i was going to shove into cirros | 13:56 |
| smoser | and have it show it if you did the konami code on the console | 13:57 |
| smoser | i'd love to have some easter egg like that | 13:57 |
| harmw | damn right :) | 13:57 |
| harmw | I don't know this specific meme though | 13:57 |
| harmw | but we have similar memes here :p | 13:57 |
| smoser | https://launchpad.net/cirros | 14:08 |
| smoser | harmw, you have almost as many points as i do! | 14:08 |
| smoser | :) | 14:09 |
| harmw | hehe cool | 14:09 |
| smoser | i just branched 0.3. so now there is lp:~cirros-dev/cirros/0.3 | 14:09 |
| smoser | and lp:~cirros-dev/cirros/trunk | 14:09 |
| harmw | ah yes, I see | 14:09 |
| smoser | the second is the target of the ilnk 'lp:cirros' | 14:09 |
| harmw | and the latest version got updated :) | 14:09 |
| smoser | and your name is in the changelog | 14:10 |
| smoser | fame and fortune will come your way soon | 14:10 |
| harmw | o m g | 14:10 |
| harmw | your telling ppl to just build the image themselves? | 14:10 |
| smoser | no. | 14:10 |
| smoser | i jsut don't knwo what to do. | 14:10 |
| smoser | as i really dont want to amnually upload stuff to launchpad | 14:11 |
| smoser | and download.cirros-cloud.net is actually akami CDN'd so it would be faster anyway | 14:11 |
| smoser | *and* i can more easily get logs of those downloads. | 14:11 |
| smoser | so i really don't want people looking at launchpad, basically. | 14:11 |
| harmw | ok, well a link from the source page or something would be nice so ppl know where to look for prebuilt images | 14:12 |
| smoser | this is true. | 14:13 |
| smoser | :) | 14:13 |
| harmw | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cirros-dev/cirros/trunk/view/head:/ChangeLog | 14:13 |
| smoser | especially since cirros-cloud.net redirects you to launchpad | 14:13 |
| harmw | most epic changelog ever | 14:13 |
| harmw | having some decent html on cirros-cloud.net would be nice btw, instead of merely redirecting | 14:14 |
| smoser | my wife suzanne has promised a cirros logo | 14:14 |
| smoser | and i've wanted to have a shirt for ODS | 14:14 |
| harmw | lol nice | 14:14 |
| smoser | i agree on all of this. | 14:14 |
| harmw | is this your 'whatever, I'm down with everything'-day? | 14:15 |
| smoser | :) | 14:16 |
| smoser | https://launchpad.net/cirros | 14:16 |
| smoser | that should look better now. | 14:16 |
| smoser | 2 links to download.cirros-cloud.net | 14:16 |
| harmw | lol | 14:16 |
| smoser | did you see this: | 14:21 |
| smoser | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1273159 | 14:21 |
| smoser | obviously you did | 14:21 |
| smoser | but is this right: | 14:21 |
| smoser | This can be worked around by adding this line to the eth0 stanza of /etc/network/interfaces | 14:21 |
| smoser | ? | 14:21 |
| smoser | i can't see how it is | 14:21 |
| smoser | but maybe | 14:23 |
| smoser | https://www.mail-archive.com/busybox@busybox.net/msg03985.html | 14:23 |
| harmw | hm, if thats right it would require the addition of -O staticroutes to go in there as well | 14:25 |
| smoser | yeah. | 14:25 |
| harmw | can't verify that right now though | 14:25 |
| smoser | well, source code makes it seem unlikel | 14:25 |
| smoser | $ grep -r nodefaultopts . | 14:25 |
| smoser | shows nothing | 14:26 |
| smoser | in busybox git | 14:26 |
| harmw | hm, I believe I've seen that -o somewhere though | 14:26 |
| harmw | to not ask for default options | 14:26 |
| harmw | plus, it's no_default_options | 14:27 |
| smoser | wrt the retries.... on the metadata service | 14:30 |
| smoser | there were issues on ec2 | 14:30 |
| smoser | where the metadata servie woudn't come up right away. | 14:30 |
| smoser | crazy stupid. | 14:30 |
| harmw | hmk | 14:30 |
| smoser | but when our ubuntu images first got there we were booting and hitting it before it was up | 14:31 |
| smoser | and we'd just say "nothing there!" | 14:31 |
| smoser | so ... poll and retry :-( | 14:31 |
| harmw | hmk, so 20 retries made sense? | 14:31 |
| smoser | i think they're probably much better now. | 14:31 |
| smoser | well, 20 retries covers i think 60 seconds? | 14:31 |
| smoser | somethin glike that. i think. | 14:31 |
| smoser | ah. itmeout is 10 seconds . on the curl request | 14:34 |
| smoser | so it could be up to 20*10 + 20*2 (the nap length) | 14:34 |
| harmw | yea well, it's a pita having to wait 5 minutes because it takes to long to acquire an ip and trying to contact a non-existant ec2 api :p | 14:35 |
| smoser | that is kind of silly. we can probably make it do max of 60 seconds. | 14:37 |
| smoser | it is unreasonable in the first place for the MD to not be there. | 14:37 |
| harmw | depends on the env, when I'm testing cirros I certainly don't do that in my openstack setup | 14:38 |
| harmw | but just with qemu, or hyper-v | 14:38 |
| harmw | no ec2 api's on either of those | 14:39 |
| smoser | right. that is reasonable. | 14:53 |
| smoser | so i'd like to have a (non-root) way to boot the instance with metadata | 14:53 |
| smoser | ie, like ubuntu images do (http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2013/02/using-ubuntu-cloud-images-without-cloud.html) | 14:54 |
| harmw | ok, so when there is no ec2 available it firesup a local ds and uses that | 15:03 |
| harmw | well, fires up.. it just reads in the user-data file which was already there | 15:05 |
| harmw | perhaps the existence of such a file could (should?) make it skip contacting ec2 in the first place | 15:05 |
| smoser | yeah, thats what it does harm. | 15:06 |
| smoser | and you can do that with 0.3.2. | 15:06 |
| smoser | if you seed those directorries, then it will read from them. | 15:06 |
| harmw | cool | 15:07 |
| harmw | then we realy need a proper seed-tool :) | 15:07 |
| smoser | agreed. | 15:10 |
| smoser | the thing that sucks is root | 15:10 |
| smoser | oh. actually, kyou could still attach a config-drive disk. | 15:10 |
| smoser | and that should work. | 15:10 |
| smoser | and maybe i did it to allow a "nocloud" | 15:10 |
| smoser | maybe | 15:10 |
| smoser | yeah, actually it should | 15:11 |
| smoser | harmw, you can just attach a nocloud disk. | 15:11 |
| harmw | to much hassle :> | 15:12 |
| smoser | to avoid root | 15:12 |
| smoser | its worth it. :) | 15:12 |
| harmw | hehe ,well, I'm cool with using sudo to manipulate images... but yes, have a root-less solution is cool as well | 15:13 |
| smoser | one other thing you could do in a raw image is have some place in the disk that a tool could just edit straight away | 15:13 |
| smoser | bu that doesn't work with qcow or any other format | 15:13 |
| harmw | hehe, raw +1 :> | 15:13 |
| smoser | and you probably only get like 512 bytes there (this is how grub does things for its 'environment' file) | 15:13 |
| smoser | well, it knows how to read extX filessystem, but then to just write into those places. | 15:14 |
| harmw | might be just enough for nocloud | 15:14 |
| smoser | wll, i dont know. limits user-data. | 15:14 |
| smoser | one thing that is very useful, and tests a lot of it is just lxc | 15:14 |
| harmw | true, but normal users probably have ec2 for that | 15:14 |
| smoser | and with 14.04 you can use lxc without root | 15:14 |
| smoser | but we'd need to make cirros work well there. | 15:15 |
| harmw | fair enough | 15:15 |
| smoser | its not too much hassle to attach a disk. really. | 15:15 |
| smoser | and if you have: | 15:15 |
| harmw | no ofc not :) | 15:15 |
| smoser | cirros boot kvm --user-data=foo | 15:15 |
| smoser | then, you dont know of such hassle. | 15:15 |
| harmw | so true | 15:15 |
| harmw | but what if I'm testdriving in a hyper-v vm | 15:15 |
| harmw | which is kind of a pain already | 15:15 |
| smoser | well, then yo uhave to download the install shield installer | 15:16 |
| smoser | and click yes-i-accept | 15:16 |
| smoser | and then get some DLLs from google some where | 15:16 |
| smoser | and then reboot | 15:16 |
| smoser | and *then* you can do it. | 15:16 |
| harmw | ah yes, the one that requires .net4.5 and which isn't supported on a hyper-v server running Windows Server Core | 15:16 |
| harmw | funny you | 15:16 |
| harmw | cirros.msi :> | 15:16 |
| smoser | windows is *so* well designed for automation | 15:17 |
| harmw | spare me... | 15:17 |
| * harmw manages several dozens of Windows systems | 15:17 | |
| smoser | someone pointed me at this a few days ago. | 15:17 |
| smoser | haven't read it all | 15:17 |
| smoser | http://www.thoughtworks.com/insights/blog/cloud-based-devops-possible-windows | 15:17 |
| harmw | "However, it isn’t all sunshine and lollipops. WinRM is actually pretty painful and fiddly to use and PowerShell is an ugly and procedural language." | 15:20 |
| harmw | so true | 15:20 |
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| harlowja | smoser hey, just got in | 17:12 |
| smoser | lazy west coast people | 17:12 |
| smoser | utlemming, did you see my comments ? | 17:12 |
| harlowja | haha | 17:12 |
| harlowja | smoser one that would be nice @ https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/local-before-net/+merge/211783 | 17:13 |
| harlowja | to fix the issue where cloud-init-local starts after networking | 17:14 |
| smoser | ugh. | 17:14 |
| smoser | well, that only fixes in sysvinit | 17:14 |
| smoser | (not rhel6, right?) | 17:14 |
| smoser | *and* that would then differ from other distros | 17:14 |
| harlowja | sure, idk the ordering of other distros, since systemd and ordering isn't so easy to figure out | 17:15 |
| smoser | right. i dont think its guanrteed | 17:16 |
| harlowja | sure, so don't the other files also need to have this start before networking? | 17:18 |
| harlowja | *this == cloud-init-local | 17:18 |
| smoser | harlowja, ? | 17:21 |
| smoser | i dont understand | 17:21 |
| harlowja | guess the question is should the other files be adjusted also? | 17:22 |
| smoser | harlowja, theres no way to do it in ubuntu. | 17:23 |
| smoser | i dont think | 17:23 |
| smoser | well, at least not more invasive than i'd lke to go at this point. | 17:23 |
| harlowja | k, so i guess then maybe systemd needs to be adjusted, in the rhel5/6 that i'm y! using we are using those sysvinit scripts | 17:25 |
| harlowja | brb | 17:26 |
| harlowja | ok back | 17:36 |
| * harlowja had to do apple security update crap | 17:38 | |
| harlowja | anyways smoser we can debate that later, i'm fine with the next release afaik | 17:38 |
| harlowja | be nice to have sean here push the freesbsd stuff, but i can't seem to find him | 17:39 |
| harlowja | oh, i found him online | 17:39 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:39 |
| harlowja | but he's not responding, sad face | 17:44 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:44 |
| harlowja | harmw so sean is currently sucked back into the mail vortex :( | 17:58 |
| harmw | haha lol | 17:58 |
| harlowja | maybe more blackhole | 17:58 |
| harlowja | harmw bugging him about maybe when he'll have some time free from mail | 18:05 |
| harlowja | he says maybe end of this week :-/ | 18:13 |
| harmw | ok :) | 18:15 |
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