[00:44] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)
[04:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you answer my questions?
[04:30] <ScottK> Riddell: I see you did.  Approved.
[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <jmux> Riddell: I just requested a new review of my testcase patch. Had been in Qt-Gerrit for 6 days... I'll be on holiday from next week until 25.5. with limited internet access.
[08:56] <jmux> Riddell: Is there a "list of bullet points", which I can use to describe the impact, test case and regression potential for the qt4 bug?
[08:57] <jmux> Riddell: Should I add my analysis to the bug report?
[09:08] <Riddell> jmux: "it'll cause a crash always/sometimes/rarely" would be the impact
[09:09] <Riddell> jmux: "you can cause the crash by doing ..., after the patch this will no longer crash" is 
[09:10] <Riddell> jmux: "this patch is a work of perfection and will cause no issues because it is fully covered by test cases" is regression potential
[09:15] <jussi> jmux: cripes, nice long holiday. enjoy!
[09:43] <Riddell> yay, bug 1291899 approved, up goes 4.13!
[09:58] <jmux> Riddell: Ok - a first proposal http://paste.debian.net/88514/. I'm in a longer meeting now, so don't expect any replies in the next hours. I'll read the backlog.
[10:12] <jussi> baloo is such a strangely named piece of SW. it feels.... unfinished :D
[10:20] <Riddell> jussi: just because of the name?
[10:20] <Riddell> (which isn't user visible)
[10:21] <vHanda> jussi: could you please elaborate?
[10:21] <jussi> yes, just the name
[10:21] <vHanda> phew, okay :)
[10:21] <jussi> thts why I sid strangely named
[10:23] <Riddell> jussi: compared to nepomuk it offers the bare necessities of desktop search :)
[10:23] <Riddell> ScottK: ubuntu-sru love needed on bug 1290514
[10:24] <Riddell> jmux: thanks, added those to the bug and now it need approved by the stable release update team, then it can go into -proposed where we need to test it then a week later it can go into -updates
[10:54] <yofel> can we include the kdnssd rename in our FFe now that 4.13 was uploaded?
[10:55] <Riddell> yofel: it hasn't been uploaded yet, what's changed?
[10:56] <Riddell> 4.13 FFe includes everything until 4.13 gets released in my opinion
[10:56] <yofel> well, as albert said on packagers, kdnssd will have a new tarball name probably now that the repo was renamed
[10:56] <yofel> should be a trivial replacement though
[10:58] <Riddell> hmm didn't realise that covered 4.13 too but yeah that should be fine
[11:27] <BluesKaj> "Morning
[12:46] <Mamarok> there we go again, Plasma desktop has everything completely black with the latest kernel, previous one works
[12:47] <Mamarok> I only see the windows border and the plasma panel, everything else is black
[12:47] <Mamarok> including the windows content
[12:48] <Mamarok> the kernel with problem si 3.13.0-17, 64 bit system
[12:48] <Mamarok> is*
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, use xrender and native for composting and Qt, that might help
[12:49] <Mamarok> why do I have to change that when it worked before? That makes no sense, and it depends on the kernel
[12:49] <Mamarok> and I made a typo, the one that doesn't work is the -18
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, i haven't tried to analyze , but it looks like it's a kde problem
[12:52] <BluesKaj> or kwin even
[12:54]  * yofel has that on his notebook sometimes, resetting the compositing usually helps
[12:54] <yofel> I blame nvidia usually
[12:56] <BluesKaj> yofel, I had the same symptoms on this intel gpu, no nvidia here, aamof my old desktop runs nvidia gpu and doesn't have the same blanking/black problems on 14 04
[12:57] <BluesKaj> as this laptop
[13:24] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)
[13:24] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1290514] LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290514 (by Jan-Marek Glogowski)
[13:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer_! how's the GPU?
[13:41] <shadeslayer_> still broken
[13:41] <shadeslayer_> though I have the spare machine setup
[13:42] <Riddell> :(
[13:42] <shadeslayer_> I'm expecting a call from Apple at 3
[13:42] <shadeslayer_> and turns out many other people have the same issue
[13:42] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/01/16/owners-of-late-2011-macbook-pros-report-critical-gpu-failures-system-crashes
[13:43] <Riddell> boom
[13:43] <shadeslayer_> I'm press harder for a replacement now
[13:43] <shadeslayer_> instead of a repair
[13:44] <shadeslayer_> since a repair will probably only paper over the problem
[13:44] <ScottK> Aren't you glad you paid extra for high quality hardware.
[13:45] <yofel> shadeslayer_: my condolences for the gpu :P
[13:45] <yofel> do you still need kdeconnect btw.? I didn't get to it yesterday? 
[13:45] <shadeslayer_> well, I'll be glad if they replace the machine with a new one :P
[13:45] <shadeslayer_> yofel: it's alright, I can do it now that I have my gpg keys on this machine
[13:45] <yofel> ok
[13:46] <shadeslayer_> it's annoying how this is pretty much the exact same issue as my Dell, GPU failiure
[13:46]  * Riddell hugs his thinkpad
[13:47] <yofel> FWIW, my old R61 did get its GPU replaced once, so that seems to be a general issue :S
[13:48] <shadeslayer_> hm
[13:48] <shadeslayer_> this desktop seems to have corruption too
[13:48] <shadeslayer_> yay
[13:48] <shadeslayer_> <- GPU breaker
[13:48] <yofel> you should get a job as hardware tester :P
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/19/plasma-desktopkh2108.png
[13:50] <shadeslayer_> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/19/plasma-desktopUR2108.png
[13:53] <BluesKaj> still
[13:53] <BluesKaj> here :)
[13:54] <yofel> shadeslayer_: if that's a screenshot then that's not the GPU..
[13:55] <shadeslayer_> mhmm
[13:55] <shadeslayer_> mesa bug
[14:21] <apachelogger> poor mesa
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: also you keep having GPU issues because you keep buying laptops with dedicated GPUs
[14:22]  * apachelogger did that exactly once
[14:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: debian seems to have ported to eigen 3 by adding a patch to each app which uses it and sending none upstream
[14:25]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[14:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't all laptops have dedicated GPUs?
[14:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I mean the opposite of onboard gpus, whatever one calls that
[14:27] <Riddell> do I make a trello card for 14.04 to send debian's eigen 3 patches upstream?
[14:28] <ScottK> I'd ask first why they didn't upstream them.  Who did the patches?
[14:28] <Riddell> ScottK: ah no I'm being unfair, they're on reviewboard, I was looking at bugs.kde.org
[14:29] <Riddell> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/116611/ for calligra
[14:29] <ScottK> Ah.   That's better.
[14:29] <Riddell> still under discussion
[14:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: you tell debian to sned debian's patches upstream I say
[14:29] <Riddell> kalzium is up https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/116638/
[14:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, what I actually meant was gpus that require dedicated cooling xD
[14:29] <apachelogger> all laptop gpus are onboard I think ^^
[14:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: they are
[14:44] <shadeslayer_> so, Apple is going to replace the logic board one more time
[14:45] <shadeslayer_> then they'll replace the laptop
[14:47] <apachelogger> > Ubuntu Now Runs Well On The MacBook Air, Beats OS X In Graphics
[14:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you should have gotten a macbook air
[14:48] <apachelogger> that also has the sane kind of gpu :P
[14:57] <shadeslayer_> heh
[15:14] <Riddell> 15:01 < maxy> Riddell: If you have the time go ahead and push them (ideally marking the patches as forwarded)
[15:14] <Riddell> eigen 3 patches for the upstreaming
[15:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: does that deserve a trello card?
[15:16] <ScottK> Based on the calligra review board, there's some testing needed too.
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you want to work on that
[15:29] <apachelogger> anything you want to track progress on or be reminded of doing is worth a card ;)
[16:33] <yofel> vHanda: does baloo require the same amount of inotify watches as nepomuk?
[16:33] <vHanda> yes
[16:33] <yofel> k
[18:24] <yofel> vHanda: do nepomuk-core and nepomuk-widgets still provide something useful when nepomuk is removed from kde-runtime? (i.e. can I drop them from the dependencies of the other packages)
[18:26] <Riddell> yofel: we still need nepomuk-core for the baloo migrator at least
[18:27] <yofel> nepomuk-core-runtime as well? I want to drop that from kde-runtime, so if baloo needs it it should depend on it
[18:30] <Riddell> /usr/bin/nepomukmigrator
[18:30] <Riddell> is in need nepomuk-core for the baloo migrator at least
[18:30] <Riddell> meh
[18:30] <Riddell> it's in nepomuk-core-runtime
[18:30] <Riddell> although it can be moved if we want
[18:30] <yofel> ok
[18:30] <yofel> nah, it's fine if it's there
[18:31] <Riddell> but nothing needs to depend on it
[18:31] <Riddell> except PMC
[18:33] <yofel> so I can e.g. remove "Build-Depends: libnepomukwidgets-dev, nepomuk-core-dev" from kdepim and kde-baseapps?
[18:36] <Riddell> yeah I think so
[18:42] <ScottK> bad Riddell for not updating bzr when he updated quassel (fixed it for you).
[19:05] <jussi> Riddell: still about? 
[19:10] <Riddell> jussi: yo
[19:40] <kdeuser56> feedback about 4.13 so far: I would vote for shipping it
[19:40] <kdeuser56> Broken features: querying ratings in dolphin advanced search
[19:41] <kdeuser56> quering tags in dolphin sidepanel (by clicking on the tag)
[19:41] <kdeuser56> timeline... (I am not sure exactly what it does ... but its not correct in my case)
[19:43] <kdeuser56> if you go to tags:// you get a very weird overview of the tags ... a tag has all other tags in his subcategory ..., folders shown under each tag are not entirely correct ... 
[19:44] <kdeuser56> xattr information is correct though in all cases ...
[19:45] <kdeuser56> so the semantic features accessible from dolphin would definitely need some love ... 
[19:45] <kdeuser56> the performance is amazing though ...
[19:46] <kdeuser56> Riddell: do you have an idea when I can reach vHanda on IRC (to which time UTC?)
[21:07] <ahoneybun> hey ovidiu-florin_ 
[23:32] <Riddell> hmm circular dependencies in the compiling, I thought I'd fixed those, maybe I forgot to push them
[23:32] <Riddell> kdepimlibs shouldn't depend on nepomuk