| knome | is somebody about to update all packages for ubuntu for the docstringfreeze or will i need to find an uploader? | 12:45 |
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| knome | same question goes for the translation deadlines: will somebody upload new versions of packages when we hit those? | 12:46 |
| dsmythies | knome: gunnarhj just got upload rights for desktop help and will do it. I do not know about the others X-K-L-? ubuntu. The serverguide is not a package, so I usually do it. | 14:51 |
| knome | dsmythies, thanks, but that doesn't answer my question :) | 16:58 |
| knome | GunnarHj, heard you got upload rights for the ubuntu docs... i guess that doesn't extend to the xubuntu docs, or does it? | 16:59 |
| GunnarHj | knome: No, it doesn't. Guess you are the one who should apply for xubuntu-docs. | 17:02 |
| knome | i'm not, i have no experience with packaging | 17:02 |
| GunnarHj | But maintaining an existing package (as I suppose you do all the time) has little to do with packaging experience. | 17:04 |
| knome | yeah, i acknowledge that | 17:05 |
| knome | it come down to the fact that it's just not something i want to commit to :) | 17:05 |
| GunnarHj | Ok. Personally I see it as a right, not a commitment. Getting upload rights is not the same thing as becoming a package's maintainer (which I wouldn't want to be - I'm just a volunteer...). | 17:07 |
| knome | i understand | 17:07 |
| knome | and i understand it is a privilege | 17:07 |
| knome | but... i don't want that, i have enough already | 17:08 |
| knome | if you know what i mean :) | 17:08 |
| GunnarHj | I do know about having enough already. ;-) | 17:08 |
| knome | it's not something i am interested in, and i think it wouldn't be fair to let others think i am | 17:08 |
| knome | i also think it would make sense to have one contact person for updating all the docs packages in all needed situations | 17:14 |
| knome | but i'm not asking you to do that... you will have to volunteer yourself. | 17:14 |
| bkerensa | GunnarHj: I'm also applying for uploads for ubuntu-docs and package I maintain in Debian | 17:16 |
| bkerensa | GunnarHj: Going to bang out some work on the bugs today and try and land some merges before the day ends | 17:17 |
| GunnarHj | knome: Since I don't work with Xubuntu, I wouldn't be the right person for that role. Suppose you'd better try to find some core dev who is involved in Xubuntu. | 17:23 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: ping? | 17:25 |
| knome | GunnarHj, yeah... that's the problem. but no worries, we'll handle it via the sponsorship queue then | 17:25 |
| GunnarHj | knome: Since the docs uploads are pretty time critical, I can help you by calling someone's attention to it on IRC, if you feel you don't have the proper contacts. | 17:28 |
| knome | GunnarHj, no, i do | 17:28 |
| knome | GunnarHj, and i don't have a problem to put it in the sponsorship queue | 17:29 |
| knome | GunnarHj, it's just that... i don't think that's a very sustainable option :) | 17:29 |
| GunnarHj | It's better if you get some specific developer who know you well and trust you, of course. | 17:31 |
| knome | yeah, that's not the problem either | 17:31 |
| knome | i just think that in ideal world there would be a single person, or team, who made sure all documentation-related uploads were made when needed | 17:31 |
| knome | and were in touch with the flavor teams and who ever had documentation packages to upload | 17:32 |
| knome | and that team should be (a subset of) the ubuntu-core-doc team. | 17:32 |
| GunnarHj | I think that in the ideal world, Canonical would take a more active interest in docs in general. Having a dedicated docs uploader, as you mentioned, might be a part of that. | 17:34 |
| knome | that's another discussion | 17:34 |
| knome | whether it was canonical or community... that doesn't matter to me | 17:34 |
| knome | community is taking care of lot of the docs already, and while it sucks that canonical doesn't help sustain it, i think the community should be able to cooperate and come up with a sustainable solution | 17:35 |
| belkinsa | Agreed. | 17:35 |
| GunnarHj | Well, not to me either, really, but it's easier to maintain sustainability with employed staff, and those are Canonical.... So the issues are related, I think. | 17:36 |
| knome | i guess... | 17:38 |
| knome | though that doesn't mean the community shouldn't try to fix things | 17:39 |
| knome | maybe canonical was more interested to maintain the docs (or make some developer work on the uploads) if there was something specific set up | 17:39 |
| belkinsa | I think we need a link to the developers to give us docs on what they work on. | 17:40 |
| GunnarHj | Of course, I didn't mean to say that the community would be less involved. | 17:40 |
| GunnarHj | belkinsa: Right, that's another important point. | 17:41 |
| knome | belkinsa, that's a different issue, which is more closely related to the canonical-community communication | 17:41 |
| belkinsa | Oh, I was thinking from the Roundtable from the last UDS | 17:41 |
| knome | the point is, that issue only concerns the ubuntu docs, and only the content part of that | 17:47 |
| knome | as it is now, the flavors already (obviously) maintain their own documentation content | 17:47 |
| knome | and they only need to get it uploaded | 17:47 |
| knome | which is okay, if they have the manpower to do so | 17:47 |
| knome | during this cycle, we've had only a few uploads here and there by people in our team, everything else went through the sponsorship queue | 17:48 |
| knome | which is another issue... | 17:48 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHj: I am here now. | 20:46 |
| GunnarHj | Hi dsmythies! | 20:46 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: The reason I pinged you was to ask if you had made any progress wrt that screenshot, but as you may have seen I have fixed it now. | 20:47 |
| dsmythies | I didn't make any progress. I didn't see that you fixed it. I will pull Rev 385 right away and have a look. Thanks. | 20:50 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Sent a mail about it. | 20:53 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: It's not very beautiful, so if you know how to make a better one, please do. | 20:53 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHj: What did you install to make it work? The rhythmbox-plugins package, I assume. | 21:00 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Yes. | 21:00 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHj: I'll try it and see if my screenshot is any brighter than yours. If not, I might contrast stretch yours. | 21:08 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Ok, thanks. | 21:08 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: I'm not good at playing with pictures. | 21:09 |
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| dsmythies | GunnarHj: My main trick is that I do it at a screen resolution of 720X576, which minimizes after capture downsizing. | 21:12 |
| godbyk | I can take a screenshot real quick if you like. | 21:12 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: What dimensions did you say it should be? | 21:13 |
| dsmythies | godbyk: I am just updating, which is taking awhile, then I was going to try to get the same one GunnarHj just did, but see if I can make it brighter. | 21:13 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Aha, didn't think of that. | 21:14 |
| dsmythies | 250X200 | 21:14 |
| dsmythies | It is one of the set that it rotates through on the index.page | 21:14 |
| godbyk | The screen resolution should be set to 1024×768. | 21:14 |
| godbyk | Gimme just a sec and I'll crop this one and email it to you guys. | 21:15 |
| godbyk | You can decide if you want to use it. | 21:15 |
| dsmythies | For the script yes. When I do them manually, I set the screen as low as it will go. | 21:15 |
| godbyk | That one must've been taken at a resolution higher than 1024×768. | 21:16 |
| godbyk | Otherwise most if the stuff in that image gets cut off. | 21:16 |
| GunnarHj | I used the default screen resolution, whatever it is... | 21:17 |
| dsmythies | Grab any size at an aspect ratio of 5 to 4 and it can be re-sampled afterwards. | 21:18 |
| GunnarHj | probably 1366 x 768 | 21:19 |
| godbyk | Well, it looks nicer if you don't have to resample. | 21:19 |
| dsmythies | I crashed my 14.04 Desktop VM. I'll be awhile... | 21:19 |
| godbyk | Okay, I ended up having to crop the screen to 500×400 and then scaling it down by a factor of two. | 21:22 |
| godbyk | I've emailed you guys the screenshot I took. | 21:22 |
| godbyk | Let me know if you'd like me to make any adjustments or retake it. | 21:22 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: In any case it's better than the one I did... | 21:24 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: But I would think that it would be even better if the actual sound menu was bigger (and less of the background). | 21:25 |
| godbyk | With the 250×200 ratio, it's hard to do that.. otherwise you end up clipping off the bottom of the sound menu. | 21:26 |
| godbyk | Are there any specific items that I can help with? | 21:29 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Just sent a modified version of your screenshot to illustrate what I meant. | 21:35 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: (via mail) | 21:35 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: But if you agree, it should of course be done based on the original screenshot for better quality. | 21:35 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Let me see if I can get something closer to that by adjusting the screen resolution... | 21:36 |
| GunnarHj | Ok | 21:36 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: See if you like the newer one better. | 21:44 |
| godbyk | I took the screenshot at 800×600, then cropped it and then scaled it to fit the 250×200 restriction we have. | 21:45 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Excellent, much better. :) | 21:45 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Does it look blurry or anything? | 21:46 |
| knome | anything in 250x200 looks blurry :P | 21:46 |
| godbyk | knome: Fair point. :) | 21:48 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Resizing isn't good for quality, but I think it's good enough for the purpose. | 21:48 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Yeah, that's why I was trying to always resize be an even factor like two. But that doesn't give you the proportions you wanted. | 21:49 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Aha, so it's a trade off between proportions and clearness, kind of... | 21:50 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: True. | 21:51 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: See that now, when I compare your two pictures. Anyway, I for one vote for the second one. Let's Doug decide. ;-) | 21:52 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: I'm relatively ambivalent. I'll let you and Doug sort it out. :-) | 21:54 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: cheese-dick! ;-) | 21:56 |
| knome | huhu? | 21:57 |
| GunnarHj | yeah, not willing to take a stand.. :) | 21:59 |
| dsmythies | godbyk, GunnarHj: My atttempt e-mailed to you. I did not have to re-sample it. | 22:00 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Very clear, but no embedded picture... | 22:01 |
| dsmythies | godbyk: Earlier you asked: Are there any specific items that I can help with? The script: check-validation.sh assumes IDS checks work, but they don't. You were working on changes. Were they submitted? | 22:02 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: I haven't yet, but I can work on that if it's helpful right now. | 22:02 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHj: Yes, I do not know how to get the embedded picture. | 22:02 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: I also planned to add options so you could enable/disable individual checks. And you wanted href checks disabled by default, right? | 22:02 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: I downloaded this MP3: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbicha/Echoes%20In%20Time.mp3 | 22:03 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: It's the one used in the original screenshot. It comes with embedded album art. | 22:03 |
| dsmythies | yes, Href checks must be disabled by default. | 22:03 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: Just drop it into the Music folder so Rhythmbox finds it and you're all set. | 22:04 |
| dsmythies | i guess the script doesn't fall under the string freeze deadline, so probably not a hurry. | 22:05 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: True.. unless it helps us fix problems that need to be corrected prior to the string freeze deadline. | 22:08 |
| dsmythies | godbyk: I can not seem to get the embedded picture. Can you grab another screen shot? Hold the aspect ratio at 5 to 4 and get just past the bottom of the dialog box, at whatever height it takes. I'll re-sample it to 250X200. | 22:16 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: I'm not following. What would you like me to do differently this time? | 22:18 |
| dsmythies | Send me the original screen shot before any cropping or re-sampling. | 22:19 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: I can do that. Which resolution do you want? | 22:20 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: The last one I took was at 800×600. | 22:21 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk, dsmythies: Is there anything in the desktop guide that comments on the Display capplet in System Settings? | 22:24 |
| godbyk | dsmythies, GunnarHj: Okay, I've sent you some full screenshots at various resolutions. | 22:26 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Some of the links under https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/prefs-display.html deal with it. | 22:27 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Thanks! | 22:27 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Another thought... Did you ever discuss the terms with anybody? Thinking of session/system menu and that stuff. | 22:33 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: I haven't. | 22:34 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Aside from the menu bar / top bar issue that mpt weighed in on. | 22:35 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Ok. Currently it is system menu in the desktop guide and session menu in the manual. | 22:35 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Guess we'll need to live with that discrepancy for now. | 22:37 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: It's probably a bit late in the day to change it now. After this cycle, we'll get that sorted out. | 22:37 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Agreed. | 22:37 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHj: Are you O.K. with the screenshot (unity-app_01_.png) I sent you and godbyk? | 23:21 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Indeed I am. Looks good. | 23:23 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Do you commit it? | 23:24 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: still there | 23:24 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: ? | 23:25 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Yep, I'm here. | 23:25 |
| dsmythies | GunnarHj: I will commit it. | 23:25 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Great. | 23:26 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Did you see that I modified the update-translations.sh script? | 23:26 |
| dsmythies | Guys, I am quite happy with the screen shots now. Thanks. | 23:27 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Was that the one where you renamed the files from ubuntu-doc-LANG.po to LANG.po? | 23:27 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: No. It was revision 374. | 23:28 |
| godbyk | Oh, let me look. | 23:28 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: I mean yes, it was that script... | 23:28 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Ah, then yes. :) | 23:29 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Did it really work as expected before? | 23:30 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Hmm.. I'm fairly sure it did. But I haven't tried it in eons. | 23:31 |
| godbyk | For the manual, I usually download individual .po files as they're ready for publication. | 23:31 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: Maybe the tarballs in ubuntu-docs and the manual are differently structured. | 23:32 |
| GunnarHj | godbyk: But nevermind, I'm pretty sure the copy in the branch works for ubuntu-docs. | 23:33 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: That could be to. I'll have to check sometime. | 23:33 |
| godbyk | GunnarHj: Ah, good. | 23:33 |
| godbyk | brb | 23:35 |
| GunnarHj | dsmythies: Great work with the screenshots. Thanks! | 23:35 |
| godbyk | back | 23:49 |
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