[12:45] <knome> is somebody about to update all packages for ubuntu for the docstringfreeze or will i need to find an uploader?
[12:46] <knome> same question goes for the translation deadlines: will somebody upload new versions of packages when we hit those?
[14:51] <dsmythies> knome: gunnarhj just got upload rights for desktop help and will do it. I do not know about the others X-K-L-? ubuntu. The serverguide is not a package, so I usually do it.
[16:58] <knome> dsmythies, thanks, but that doesn't answer my question :)
[16:59] <knome> GunnarHj, heard you got upload rights for the ubuntu docs... i guess that doesn't extend to the xubuntu docs, or does it?
[17:02] <GunnarHj> knome: No, it doesn't. Guess you are the one who should apply for xubuntu-docs.
[17:02] <knome> i'm not, i have no experience with packaging
[17:04] <GunnarHj> But maintaining an existing package (as I suppose you do all the time) has little to do with packaging experience.
[17:05] <knome> yeah, i acknowledge that
[17:05] <knome> it come down to the fact that it's just not something i want to commit to :)
[17:07] <GunnarHj> Ok. Personally I see it as a right, not a commitment. Getting upload rights is not the same thing as becoming a package's maintainer (which I wouldn't want to be - I'm just a volunteer...).
[17:07] <knome> i understand
[17:07] <knome> and i understand it is a privilege
[17:08] <knome> but... i don't want that, i have enough already
[17:08] <knome> if you know what i mean :)
[17:08] <GunnarHj> I do know about having enough already. ;-)
[17:08] <knome> it's not something i am interested in, and i think it wouldn't be fair to let others think i am
[17:14] <knome> i also think it would make sense to have one contact person for updating all the docs packages in all needed situations
[17:14] <knome> but i'm not asking you to do that... you will have to volunteer yourself.
[17:16] <bkerensa> GunnarHj: I'm also applying for uploads for ubuntu-docs and package I maintain in Debian
[17:17] <bkerensa> GunnarHj: Going to bang out some work on the bugs today and try and land some merges before the day ends
[17:23] <GunnarHj> knome: Since I don't work with Xubuntu, I wouldn't be the right person for that role. Suppose you'd better try to find some core dev who is involved in Xubuntu.
[17:25] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: ping?
[17:25] <knome> GunnarHj, yeah... that's the problem. but no worries, we'll handle it via the sponsorship queue then
[17:28] <GunnarHj> knome: Since the docs uploads are pretty time critical, I can help you by calling someone's attention to it on IRC, if you feel you don't have the proper contacts.
[17:28] <knome> GunnarHj, no, i do
[17:29] <knome> GunnarHj, and i don't have a problem to put it in the sponsorship queue
[17:29] <knome> GunnarHj, it's just that... i don't think that's a very sustainable option :)
[17:31] <GunnarHj> It's better if you get some specific developer who know you well and trust you, of course.
[17:31] <knome> yeah, that's not the problem either
[17:31] <knome> i just think that in ideal world there would be a single person, or team, who made sure all documentation-related uploads were made when needed
[17:32] <knome> and were in touch with the flavor teams and who ever had documentation packages to upload
[17:32] <knome> and that team should be (a subset of) the ubuntu-core-doc team.
[17:34] <GunnarHj> I think that in the ideal world, Canonical would take a more active interest in docs in general. Having a dedicated docs uploader, as you mentioned, might be a part of that.
[17:34] <knome> that's another discussion
[17:34] <knome> whether it was canonical or community... that doesn't matter to me
[17:35] <knome> community is taking care of lot of the docs already, and while it sucks that canonical doesn't help sustain it, i think the community should be able to cooperate and come up with a sustainable solution
[17:35] <belkinsa> Agreed.
[17:36] <GunnarHj> Well, not to me either, really, but it's easier to maintain sustainability with employed staff, and those are Canonical.... So the issues are related, I think.
[17:38] <knome> i guess...
[17:39] <knome> though that doesn't mean the community shouldn't try to fix things
[17:39] <knome> maybe canonical was more interested to maintain the docs (or make some developer work on the uploads) if there was something specific set up
[17:40] <belkinsa> I think we need a link to the developers to give us docs on what they work on.
[17:40] <GunnarHj> Of course, I didn't mean to say that the community would be less involved.
[17:41] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Right, that's another important point.
[17:41] <knome> belkinsa, that's a different issue, which is more closely related to the canonical-community communication
[17:41] <belkinsa> Oh, I was thinking from the Roundtable from the last UDS
[17:47] <knome> the point is, that issue only concerns the ubuntu docs, and only the content part of that
[17:47] <knome> as it is now, the flavors already (obviously) maintain their own documentation content
[17:47] <knome> and they only need to get it uploaded
[17:47] <knome> which is okay, if they have the manpower to do so
[17:48] <knome> during this cycle, we've had only a few uploads here and there by people in our team, everything else went through the sponsorship queue
[17:48] <knome> which is another issue...
[20:46] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: I am here now.
[20:46] <GunnarHj> Hi dsmythies!
[20:47] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: The reason I pinged you was to ask if you had made any progress wrt that screenshot, but as you may have seen I have fixed it now.
[20:50] <dsmythies> I didn't make any progress. I didn't see that you fixed it. I will pull Rev 385 right away and have a look. Thanks.
[20:53] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Sent a mail about it.
[20:53] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: It's not very beautiful, so if you know how to make a better one, please do.
[21:00] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: What did you install to make it work? The rhythmbox-plugins package, I assume.
[21:00] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Yes.
[21:08] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: I'll try it and see if my screenshot is any brighter than yours. If not, I might contrast stretch yours.
[21:08] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Ok, thanks.
[21:09] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: I'm not good at playing with pictures.
[21:12] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: My main trick is that I do it at a screen resolution of 720X576, which minimizes after capture downsizing.
[21:12] <godbyk> I can take a screenshot real quick if you like.
[21:13] <godbyk> dsmythies: What dimensions did you say it should be?
[21:13] <dsmythies> godbyk: I am just updating, which is taking awhile, then I was going to try to get the same one GunnarHj just did, but see if I can make it brighter.
[21:14] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Aha, didn't think of that.
[21:14] <dsmythies> 250X200
[21:14] <dsmythies> It is one of the set that it rotates through on the index.page
[21:14] <godbyk> The screen resolution should be set to 1024×768.
[21:15] <godbyk> Gimme just a sec and I'll crop this one and email it to you guys.
[21:15] <godbyk> You can decide if you want to use it.
[21:15] <dsmythies> For the script yes. When I do them manually, I set the screen as low as it will go.
[21:16] <godbyk> That one must've been taken at a resolution higher than 1024×768.
[21:16] <godbyk> Otherwise most if the stuff in that image gets cut off.
[21:17] <GunnarHj> I used the default screen resolution, whatever it is...
[21:18] <dsmythies> Grab any size at an aspect ratio of 5 to 4 and it can be re-sampled afterwards.
[21:19] <GunnarHj> probably 1366 x 768
[21:19] <godbyk> Well, it looks nicer if you don't have to resample.
[21:19] <dsmythies> I crashed my 14.04 Desktop VM. I'll be awhile...
[21:22] <godbyk> Okay, I ended up having to crop the screen to 500×400 and then scaling it down by a factor of two.
[21:22] <godbyk> I've emailed you guys the screenshot I took.
[21:22] <godbyk> Let me know if you'd like me to make any adjustments or retake it.
[21:24] <GunnarHj> godbyk: In any case it's better than the one I did...
[21:25] <GunnarHj> godbyk: But I would think that it would be even better if the actual sound menu was bigger (and less of the background).
[21:26] <godbyk> With the 250×200 ratio, it's hard to do that.. otherwise you end up clipping off the bottom of the sound menu.
[21:29] <godbyk> Are there any specific items that I can help with?
[21:35] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Just sent a modified version of your screenshot to illustrate what I meant.
[21:35] <GunnarHj> godbyk: (via mail)
[21:35] <GunnarHj> godbyk: But if you agree, it should of course be done based on the original screenshot for better quality.
[21:36] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Let me see if I can get something closer to that by adjusting the screen resolution...
[21:36] <GunnarHj> Ok
[21:44] <godbyk> GunnarHj: See if you like the newer one better.
[21:45] <godbyk> I took the screenshot at 800×600, then cropped it and then scaled it to fit the 250×200 restriction we have.
[21:45] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Excellent, much better. :)
[21:46] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Does it look blurry or anything?
[21:46] <knome> anything in 250x200 looks blurry :P
[21:48] <godbyk> knome: Fair point. :)
[21:48] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Resizing isn't good for quality, but I think it's good enough for the purpose.
[21:49] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Yeah, that's why I was trying to always resize be an even factor like two. But that doesn't give you the proportions you wanted.
[21:50] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Aha, so it's a trade off between proportions and clearness, kind of...
[21:51] <godbyk> GunnarHj: True.
[21:52] <GunnarHj> godbyk: See that now, when I compare your two pictures. Anyway, I for one vote for the second one. Let's Doug decide. ;-)
[21:54] <godbyk> GunnarHj: I'm relatively ambivalent. I'll let you and Doug sort it out. :-)
[21:56] <GunnarHj> godbyk: cheese-dick! ;-)
[21:57] <knome> huhu?
[21:59] <GunnarHj> yeah, not willing to take a stand.. :)
[22:00] <dsmythies> godbyk, GunnarHj: My atttempt e-mailed to you. I did not have to re-sample it.
[22:01] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Very clear, but no embedded picture...
[22:02] <dsmythies> godbyk: Earlier you asked: Are there any specific items that I can help with? The script: check-validation.sh assumes IDS checks work, but they don't. You were working on changes. Were they submitted?
[22:02] <godbyk> dsmythies: I haven't yet, but I can work on that if it's helpful right now.
[22:02] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: Yes, I do not know how to get the embedded picture.
[22:02] <godbyk> dsmythies: I also planned to add options so you could enable/disable individual checks. And you wanted href checks disabled by default, right?
[22:03] <godbyk> dsmythies: I downloaded this MP3: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbicha/Echoes%20In%20Time.mp3
[22:03] <godbyk> dsmythies: It's the one used in the original screenshot. It comes with embedded album art.
[22:03] <dsmythies> yes, Href checks must be disabled by default.
[22:04] <godbyk> dsmythies: Just drop it into the Music folder so Rhythmbox finds it and you're all set.
[22:05] <dsmythies> i guess the script doesn't fall under the string freeze deadline, so probably not a hurry.
[22:08] <godbyk> dsmythies: True.. unless it helps us fix problems that need to be corrected prior to the string freeze deadline.
[22:16] <dsmythies> godbyk: I can not seem to get the embedded picture. Can you grab another screen shot? Hold the aspect ratio at 5 to 4 and get just past the bottom of the dialog box, at whatever height it takes. I'll re-sample it to 250X200.
[22:18] <godbyk> dsmythies: I'm not following. What would you like me to do differently this time?
[22:19] <dsmythies> Send me the original screen shot before any cropping or re-sampling.
[22:20] <godbyk> dsmythies: I can do that. Which resolution do you want?
[22:21] <godbyk> dsmythies: The last one I took was at 800×600.
[22:24] <GunnarHj> godbyk, dsmythies: Is there anything in the desktop guide that comments on the Display capplet in System Settings?
[22:26] <godbyk> dsmythies, GunnarHj: Okay, I've sent you some full screenshots at various resolutions.
[22:27] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Some of the links under https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/prefs-display.html deal with it.
[22:27] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Thanks!
[22:33] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Another thought... Did you ever discuss the terms with anybody? Thinking of session/system menu and that stuff.
[22:34] <godbyk> GunnarHj: I haven't.
[22:35] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Aside from the menu bar / top bar issue that mpt weighed in on.
[22:35] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Ok. Currently it is system menu in the desktop guide and session menu in the manual.
[22:37] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Guess we'll need to live with that discrepancy for now.
[22:37] <godbyk> GunnarHj: It's probably a bit late in the day to change it now. After this cycle, we'll get that sorted out.
[22:37] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Agreed.
[23:21] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: Are you O.K. with the screenshot (unity-app_01_.png) I sent you and godbyk?
[23:23] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Indeed I am. Looks good.
[23:24] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Do you commit it?
[23:24] <GunnarHj> godbyk: still there
[23:25] <GunnarHj> godbyk: ?
[23:25] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Yep, I'm here.
[23:25] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: I will commit it.
[23:26] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Great.
[23:26] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Did you see that I modified the update-translations.sh script?
[23:27] <dsmythies> Guys, I am quite happy with the screen shots now. Thanks.
[23:27] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Was that the one where you renamed the files from ubuntu-doc-LANG.po to LANG.po?
[23:28] <GunnarHj> godbyk: No. It was revision 374.
[23:28] <godbyk> Oh, let me look.
[23:28] <GunnarHj> godbyk: I mean yes, it was that script...
[23:29] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Ah, then yes. :)
[23:30] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Did it really work as expected before?
[23:31] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Hmm.. I'm fairly sure it did. But I haven't tried it in eons.
[23:31] <godbyk> For the manual, I usually download individual .po files as they're ready for publication.
[23:32] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Maybe the tarballs in ubuntu-docs and the manual are differently structured.
[23:33] <GunnarHj> godbyk: But nevermind, I'm pretty sure the copy in the branch works for ubuntu-docs.
[23:33] <godbyk> GunnarHj: That could be to. I'll have to check sometime.
[23:33] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Ah, good.
[23:35] <godbyk> brb
[23:35] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Great work with the screenshots. Thanks!
[23:49] <godbyk> back