[00:00] <TJ-> wise_phone: Maybe there's a broken "/home/$USER/.Xauthority" from the failed sessions. You can delete that file if it exists
[00:00] <TJ-> wise_phone: That's a very nasty bug/regression in that 3.11 kernel and Ubuntu 13.10
[00:01] <Left_Turn> oh ok
[00:01] <TJ-> amigamagic: There are alternative kernel builds, one is low-latency, designed for your scenario
[00:02] <amigamagic> TJ, suppose I install this low-latency kernel... I will not have anymore official ubuntu kernel upgrades?
[00:02] <TJ-> amigamagic: See http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-lowlatency&searchon=names
[00:02] <Guest32656> Hey hows it going? anyone know a good program for ubuntu that will deal with multi volume rar archives
[00:03] <cassio> hey. I'm installing minimal on an old laptop without PAE, and I selected ubuntu desktop, and it booted to a screen with an install drivers contextual menu but won't let me click on it
[00:03] <BlackDeath_> whats the name of the file editor i've seen people use that color the scripting
[00:03] <Guest32656> nick /s
[00:03] <TJ-> Left_Turn: beset asking wise_phone how he managed to get the installer to run, I got a little lost at that point but it worked so I didn't ask further :)
[00:04] <TJ-> cassio: what version of Ubuntu?
[00:04] <amigamagic> TJ, interesting, but there is a guide to how to install those kernel for newbie?
[00:04] <ddurden> BlackDeath_: Most do it, even the built in one (gedit). it's called Syntax Highlighting
[00:04] <TJ-> amigamagic: same as any other package: "sudo apt-get install linux-image-lowlatency"
[00:04] <BlackDeath_> ddurden, i'm only using terminal.. is there one that does it?
[00:04] <TJ-> BlackDeath: "vim" does
[00:04] <amigamagic> oh, really is it so easy?
[00:05] <cassio> 13.10 I think
[00:05] <ddurden> BlackDeath_: vim and nano. Really, most everything does it.
[00:05] <BlackDeath_> ddurden, ok.. thanks
[00:05] <TJ-> amigamagic: Yes :) As long as once it is installed, you ensure in the grub boot menu you choose the lowlatency version if you have both "generic" and "lowlatency" flavours installed at the same time
[00:06] <cassio> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/non-pae/mini.iso
[00:06] <BlackDeath_> <3 this channel if i cant find it on google you guys answer my simple questions so fast
[00:06] <xtbman> Is there a particular reason why somebody would install an older version of Ubuntu, say 12.04, today? Is there any good reason for someone new to Ubuntu to not install the latest version?
[00:06] <skytrash> LTS
[00:06] <amigamagic> xtbman, latest ubuntu versions are unstable
[00:06] <cassio> xbtman, 12.04 supports older hardware better
[00:07] <xtbman> I see, thanks. So 12.04 is the recommended version for new users?
[00:07] <numbers> my wifi connection keeps dropping, i am using ubuntu 12.04
[00:07] <wise_phone> Tj- you're right again.  Deleting the .Xauthority fixed the log on issue.
[00:07] <cassio> I think 12.04 is an excellent version for you
[00:07] <amigamagic> I think 12.04 is supported for 5 years and it's more stable
[00:07] <xtbman> Ok thanks
[00:07] <amigamagic> but maybe it doesn't recognize some new hardware
[00:08] <ddurden> xtbman: I woudl chose the LTS (12.04) if i prefered stability and the current (13.10) if I wanted the latest packages
[00:08] <ddurden> xtbman: there's no "best" as such, it depends on your requirements
[00:08] <cassio> yeah, you could run live cds of both
[00:08] <amigamagic> for example, on a recent xeon hardware, the suspend doesn't work on 12.04
[00:09] <cassio> anybody want to give me advice on my non-pae minimal installation?
[00:09] <amigamagic> and there are some problems with the intel hd 4000 I think...
[00:09] <amigamagic> TJ, thanks for the link
[00:09] <ddurden> amigamagic: Can I  ask your use case for suspending a xeon? It's a server CPU, and a server in suspend .. ?
[00:10] <xtbman> ddurden ok thanks. I'm installing Ubuntu on an Acer c720 Chromebook.
[00:10] <ddurden> xtbman: Are you using chrubuntu, or coreboot, or the c720 has a bios that allows it?
[00:10] <amigamagic> ddurden: if the hibernation doesn't work, sometimes you prefer to suspend it, to preserve energy
[00:10] <ddurden> amigamagic: Can I  ask your use case for hibernating a xeon? It's a server CPU, and a server in suspend .. ?
[00:11] <amigamagic> if you know that from 00:00 to 06:00 you don't use it, why you have to keep it on?
[00:11] <xtbman> ddurden I haven't made a decision yet. I'm still waiting for the computer to arrive in mail. I briefly read one tutorial that suggested chrubuntu.
[00:11] <ddurden> amigamagic: ok, i see
[00:11] <Wise> TJ-, Nice, getting all set up now!  I can't thank you enough!
[00:11] <TJ-> wise_phone: looks like we're on a roll :)
[00:11] <ddurden> xtbman: my recommendation is to replace the firmware with coreboot, then the chromebook becomes a regular pc. however the chromeOS channels would be a better place for support for that
[00:11] <TJ-> Wise: I feel like I've been through a 4 hour exam :)
[00:12] <xtbman> ddurden ok great I'll look into coreboot.
[00:13] <cassio> is the minimal installation supposed to take awhile after boot to desktop?
[00:13] <Wise> TJ-, oh man, I don't doubt it.
[00:14] <amigamagic> and someone knows why Unity designers designed the bar to be always on the left?
[00:14] <franknog> I have no sound and I could really use some help at this point
[00:14] <TJ-> amigamagic: Because they think left-to-right ?
[00:14] <ddurden> amigamagic: you can move it ...
[00:14] <amigamagic> but the widescreen monitors have much more space in horizontal
[00:14] <amigamagic> so it would be better to make it in the bottom part of the screen
[00:14] <cassio> franknog, does ubuntu detect the audio device?
[00:15] <TJ-> amigamagic: depends if the display is portrait or landscape
[00:15] <franknog> cassio: how would I go about checking that.
[00:15] <ddurden> amigamagic: on widescreen i usually run out of screen height before i run out of width
[00:15] <amigamagic> TJ, you use your widescreen monitor in vertical?
[00:15] <ddurden> amigamagic: Just move the damn bar
[00:15] <amigamagic> how to move it?
[00:15] <amigamagic> where is the damned option?
[00:15] <ddurden> amigamagic: there are various unity tweak tools in the software centre
[00:15] <cassio> franknog, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[00:16] <Corvette> I'm on ubuntu 12.04 and something went wrong a while ago, now every time i start the laptop I have to enter sudo modprobe -v iwlwifi how do I fix this
[00:16] <TJ-> amigamagic: Unity was designed for phones and tablets and desktop experience was 'upset' for a time, and still isn't perfect according to many people
[00:16] <amigamagic> TJ, I think Unity would be MUCH better if it was A LITTLE more personalizable
[00:16] <TJ-> amigamagic: Personally, I switched to KDE because Unity fails on my 2 GPU, 6-monitor configuration.
[00:16] <TJ-> amigamagic: I agree entirely!
[00:17] <amigamagic> TJ, personally, I use gnome-session-fallback
[00:17] <amigamagic> and it's the best until now
[00:17] <amigamagic> I tried KDE
[00:17] <amigamagic> but... Hey, it's so damned complex!
[00:17] <amigamagic> but I admit it's very appealing to the eyes
[00:17] <Corvette> KDE is ugly
[00:18] <amigamagic> it looks like a mix of Windows and OSX
[00:18] <Corvette> gnome shell is the nicest
[00:18] <amigamagic> but I cannot use it for more than 5 minutes
[00:18] <amigamagic> before my head goes nuts
[00:18] <TJ-> amigamagic: I like complex! I also like being able to see the installed applications in hierarchical menus rather than having to remember what is installed
[00:19] <ddurden> amigamagic: i've just checked, the *exact* thing to type into search in softrware center is "unity tweak tool"
[00:19] <TJ-> I find it ironic, also, that Unity was designed to work well on phones/tablets yet the dash search needs typing... there's a reason for the Mouse... point and click, not point, type, and click :)
[00:19] <franknog> cassio: okay, using the command "list-sinks" after "pacmd" showed that my anolog stereo device is "HW_MUTE_CTL" and that it's "IDLE"
[00:19] <amigamagic> ddurden, I heard that unity it's not much stable if you move it with tweaks
[00:19] <amigamagic> maybe it's a metropolitan legend?
[00:20] <amigamagic> (I mean moving the unity bar)
[00:20] <ddurden> amigamagic: you'll never know if you don't try it
[00:20] <amigamagic> sure
[00:20] <Din_Weasel> how to move the unity bar?
[00:20] <amigamagic> I think 70-80% of people would like to move Unity bar on the bottom of the screen...
[00:21] <amigamagic> being that with a widescreen monitor is so much natural to use the "wide" area for dockbar and other bars...
[00:21] <Arafangion> Hmm.
[00:22] <ddurden> the unity bar is a dock bar, which bar do you mean?
[00:22] <Din_Weasel> my 30 inch dell isn't wide screen
[00:22] <cassio> can someone please reassure me about my installation?
[00:22] <amigamagic> Din_Weasel, how many people today use 4:3 monitors?
[00:22] <amigamagic> I mean, as desktop users...
[00:23] <Arafangion> I was biased against ubutnu in the early days as I found them very unstable, which I attributed to immature packaging (relative to debian), and the use of 3rd party drivers (which was really unstable with my ati-based laptop).
[00:23] <Arafangion> However, the ubuntu live CD is quite impressive, from a UI point of view.
[00:23] <ddurden> amigamagic: desktops are obsolete :)
[00:23] <amigamagic> ddurden, keyboard and mouse are obsolete too, right?
[00:24] <ddurden> amigamagic: especially desktop screens. why can't i get a 15" screen with 2880x1600 pixels for a desktop? laptops have them
[00:24] <Din_Weasel> 4:3 monitors are good for word processing
[00:24] <Din_Weasel> to fit a page in word
[00:24] <Arafangion> Din_Weasel: I disagree. However good 4:3 is, 3:4 is even better.
[00:25] <Arafangion> I find the current wide-screen monitors, vertically positioned, are perfect for word pages.
[00:25] <Din_Weasel> and sorry for my english, i'm lithuanian
[00:25] <amigamagic> Din_Weasel: with a big widescreen monitor you could have two A4 pages in one screen
[00:25] <deepy> I seem to have permanently disabled my touchpad
[00:25] <ddurden> amigamagic: i would only use a keyboard for specific technical applications like coding; voice is working fine for me if i just want to use web or email
[00:25] <Arafangion> Ah, yes, speaking of touchpad.  The touch pad on the eeePC doesn't seem to work in Ubuntu.
[00:26] <ddurden> amigamagic: I can't do that with 1080p. it's only 1920 across, right? so that is 960 pixels per window if you have 2 side by side. Most websites don't display correcty at that narrow width if they detect a desktop client
[00:27] <amigamagic> ddurden, I'm a "classic" guy, so I will stick with keyboard and mouse for a long time. And I am a developer, so I use the keyboard very often.
[00:27] <ddurden> amigamagic: and that's why 1920x1080 is useless for me; i'd need 2 or 3 monitors for that
[00:28] <Guest4824> hi
[00:29] <amigamagic> ddurden, I think that for two A4 pages of an openoffice, 1920x1080 is fine
[00:29] <amigamagic> but I agree that if you have a single page layout, 4:3 monitors are more natural
[00:30] <Din_Weasel> stupid question, but are there any irc networks/chanels left there people are just chatting, I mean a non thematic ones. I don't want to be offtopic, want to improve my english a little bit
[00:30] <ddurden> amigamagic: what about openoffice on the left side and a webpage on the right? now we're back to trying to view a website in 960 pixel width
[00:30] <TJ-> For A4, I have a 1920x1200 monitor in portrait
[00:30] <ddurden> amigamagic: please stop defending lowres displays like 1920x1080. they arent new or clever anymore. ipads are 2500+ across already
[00:30] <amigamagic> ddurden, I was speaking of two pages of the same application, not two webpages.
[00:30] <Din_Weasel> I have a 2560*1600 monitor two pages fits just perfect
[00:31] <amigamagic> Din_Weasel: :D
[00:31] <amigamagic> ddurden, I will not defend 1920x1080
[00:31] <Corvette> omg 1080p is lowres now :( I have 3 1080p monitors
[00:31] <amigamagic> I'm using now 1280x800 res
[00:32] <ddurden> sorry 2000x1500, but it's stil bigger than HD
[00:32] <ddurden> it's just retarded thar desktops have fewer pixels than a phone or tablet
[00:33] <ddurden> yet no-one sees the fact that desktop screens are junk
[00:33] <amigamagic> it's just retarted that a little phone has a resolution of 1920x1080
[00:33] <amigamagic> or similar res
[00:33] <Din_Weasel> it's just retarted people are buying laptops for gaming
[00:33] <amigamagic> :D
[00:34] <TJ-> ddurden: You can get high-res desktop screens, the issue is, manufacturing yield for larger screens
[00:35] <amigamagic> anyway, KDE is too different from the usual desktop experiences
[00:35] <ddurden> ddurden: not at high pixel densirt. show me a 15" sdesktop screen @ 2800x1600 or so
[00:35] <ddurden> TJ-: sorry my last ws addressed to you. those screens don't exist.
[00:36] <amigamagic> I mean, you cannot move icons without clicking on that bar that shows when you stay for a little on the icon
[00:36] <franknog> so I used to have sound, but no I don't
[00:36] <amigamagic> it's crazy
[00:37] <Cinos> whoa, high resolutions
[00:38] <ddurden> i found kde wasn't very pretty, but it is quite customisable.
[00:39] <amigamagic> I think it's TOO much customizable... :D
[00:39] <amigamagic> to the point you have too many choices to make the same thing
[00:39] <amigamagic> and it confuses you
[00:40] <TJ-> ddurden: You've not seen the 4K monitors then?
[00:40] <ddurden> i like the way unity has menu bar integration. I dont need to go menu->file->print etc anymore. I just hit the special key and type in 'print' and if the app supports it, it automatically works out which menu i want with a smart search
[00:40] <amigamagic> and why I should rotate an icon on the KDE desktop!?
[00:40] <ddurden> TJ-: I have, but they are all 28" or larger
[00:40] <amigamagic> it's crazy!
[00:40] <ddurden> TJ-: Also they are capped at 30 Hz which is useless for gaming
[00:41] <Jordan_U> ddurden: There are laptops with such screens, probably desktops too. Though I think only GNOME3 really has good HiDPI support currently.
[00:41] <ddurden> Jordan_U: Laptops, yes. desktops - no, you cannot buy them,
[00:42] <Din_Weasel> I have a Dell U3014 UltraSharp 30-Inch
[00:42] <ddurden> Jordan_U: You're right about the font and icon size issue though: unity is a bit bad with retina resolutions
[00:43] <ddurden> Jordan_U: ChromeOS is fine with HiDPI as well
[00:44] <Jordan_U> ddurden: I would hope so with the pixel :)
[00:47] <causative> how does my terminal process get different groups from me?  how do I start a terminal with the same groups as me, after changing my own groups?
[00:47] <TJ-> ddurden: The Dell UP2414Q (24") does 4K @ 60Hz
[00:47] <Din_Weasel> any video cards supporting 4k?
[00:48] <ddurden> ddurden: Looked at it, it's 30 Hz limited
[00:49] <ddurden> TJ-: Argh, that last one was for you again. It does not do 60 Hz on HDMI. How else would you connect it? ;-)
[00:49] <Din_Weasel> displey port?
[00:49] <TJ-> dduffey: DisplayPort of course!
[00:49] <TJ-> oops...
[00:49] <TJ-> ddurden:  DisplayPort of course!
[00:49] <causative> my terminal has groups causative ada dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare, and I have groups causative www-data
[00:49] <rww> causative: log out and back in
[00:50] <rww> causative: (i'm assuming you just added yourself to www-data)
[00:50] <ddurden> TJ-: Ok, so that's the first monitor that qualifies. it's new.
[00:50] <causative> is that the only way rww... I'm talking about a terminal in gnome
[00:50] <TJ-> HDMI v1.4 is required for 4K
[00:50] <rww> causative: yes.
[00:50] <causative> oh well, thanks
[00:51] <TJ-> ddurden: They're all "new"! The factories are still ramping up production, especially of the IPS panels, as they improve manufacturing yield
[00:52] <TJ-> HDMI 2.0 is needed for 4K @ 60Hz
[00:53] <philaneous> hi im running 12.04.4 and i've ran out of space on /boot. It seems that apt-get is not removing old kernels
[00:54] <philaneous> i ran this too dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[00:54] <philaneous> im in a dependecy hell at the moment
[00:55] <sarthak> Is the AMD Radeon 4xxx series still supported in coming 14.04?
[00:55] <sarthak> Curious as to what is the best plug-n-play Video Card for ubuntu to get over Intel Graphics.
[00:55] <TJ-> philaneous: ouch, so where are you at?
[00:57] <philaneous> TJ-: well i have a lot of old kernels listed
[00:57] <philaneous> i want to remove them so i can get the newest one
[00:57] <philaneous> TJ-: i dont want to manually remove them
[00:57] <philaneous> TJ-: it tells me to run autoremove
[00:58] <philaneous> TJ-: i do this and still runs me in circles
[01:00] <TJ-> philaneous: can you pastebin "dpkg --get-selections 'linux-image*' | egrep '3\..*[[:space:]]install' "
[01:01] <evilbug> i've installed server 12.04 with openbox and while i have the network manager applet working, i can't figure out how to connect to pass protecto wifi networks since when i click on them the pop up that asks for login details doesn't show up. i do have gnome-keyring installed.
[01:03] <philaneous> TJ-: http://pastebin.com/kcTWN6Fi
[01:04] <Guest73521> hello folks, I'm getting an error message when trying to install Ubuntu server from a USB stick.
[01:05] <Guest73521> anyone offer any help?
[01:05] <philaneous> Guest73521: whats the error
[01:05] <Guest73521> says it can't read a file from the CD, and fails.
[01:06] <evilbug> Guest73521: and what'd you make the usb with?
[01:06] <Segfault_> Are there any good email clients out there, with transparent gpg support, except evolution? I find Evolution to be terribly slow and bloated
[01:06] <Guest73521> Linux Live USB Creator, and Ubuntu Server 12.04.4 LTS 64bit ISO.
[01:06] <philaneous> Guest73521: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[01:07] <philaneous> TJ-: any suggestions
[01:08] <evilbug> Segfault_: i actually use thunderbird on all platforms. not sure it's the lightest around but i'm diggin it.
[01:09] <Segfault_> evilbug: Of course, I had completely forgotten about good old thunderbird. How is the gpg support?
[01:09] <DJ> Segfault_: I am a BIG fan of Thunderbird with the enigmail addon - works VERY well and on all platforms
[01:10] <TJ-> philaneous: I'd think you'd be quickest manually removing the older versions using "dpkg -r", than trying to script it
[01:11] <Segfault_> thanks evilbug and DJ, I will try thunderbird!
[01:11] <evilbug> Segfault_: have fun.
[01:12] <philaneous> TJ-: but everytime theres a new kernel release shouldn't it try to purge the old kernels
[01:12] <TJ-> philaneous: I use this to identify the older kernels, since grub.cfg usually orders them correctly. "grep initrd /boot/grub/grub.cfg | tail -n-2 | awk '{gsub("/initrd\.img-","",$2);print $2}' | while read version; do echo "linux-image-$version"; done" and feed the package names into whatever I want to remove them (dpkg or apt-get)
[01:12] <TJ-> philaneous: no, it shouldn't, that is the system administrators job
[01:13] <TJ-> philaneous: the installer has no (reliable) way to know which kernels are being used, which are broken, etc.
[01:13] <philaneous> TJ-: so i should list them and remove them all?
[01:13] <exaroth>  /ignore -channels #mwsf * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[01:14] <TJ-> remove all but the last 2 is my usual process, unless there is a reason to keep older kernel versions
[01:16] <philaneous> TJ-: linux-image-3.8.0-29-generic its listing that twice
[01:16] <TJ-> philaneous: maybe because you've got it listed as the default and as a recovery ... you can insert "| uniq " into the pipeline to ensure it isn't repeated
[01:19] <philaneous> TJ-: where do i insert that in youre code?
[01:19] <philaneous> your*
[01:19] <TJ-> philaneous: I use this to identify the older kernels, since grub.cfg usually orders them correctly. "grep initrd /boot/grub/grub.cfg | tail -n-2 | awk '{gsub("/initrd\.img-","",$2);print $2}' | while read version; do echo "linux-image-$version"; done | uniq"
[01:20] <evilbug> how can i get my network manager to ask for credentials when connecting to a protected wifi network?
[01:22] <TJ-> evilbug: It should do so automatically if it connects to an encrypted channel
[01:22] <philaneous> TJ-: ok its only listed once
[01:23] <chaotic_good> anyone here a fan of reiserfs?
[01:24] <evilbug> TJ-: i installed server 12.04 with openbox, network manager applet, and keyring. the applet works fine, shows me all available networks but when clicking on a protected network nothing shows up.
[01:27] <BlackDeath_> is there a more upto date how to for squid on the ubuntu site... i'm follwoing what it says and the install location is different... using 12.04 server edition
[01:28] <chaotic_good> thre is a manual for 12.04
[01:28] <chaotic_good> should be uptodate
[01:28] <chaotic_good> :)
[01:28] <BlackDeath_> oo i'll get that
[01:28] <BlackDeath_> thanks chaotic_good
[01:29] <chaotic_good> make sure u pick server ed
[01:29] <chaotic_good> not desktop
[01:29] <BlackDeath_> chaotic_good, serverguide.pdf?
[01:30] <chaotic_good> naa
[01:30] <chaotic_good> html
[01:30] <chaotic_good> online one
[01:30] <chaotic_good> pdf might be aged
[01:30] <BlackDeath_> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[01:30] <BlackDeath_> ??
[01:31] <chaotic_good> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/squid.html
[01:31] <MrJerome> how can I split a very long video into small individual videos?
[01:33] <BlackDeath_> chaotic_good, thats the one i'm looking at but i've worked out squid installed to /etc/squid3 instaead of /etc/squid
[01:33] <borgos> salutations
[01:33] <Wabs> MrJerome, I have used Kdenlive for that before
[01:33] <chaotic_good> oh
[01:33] <chaotic_good> if 3 then diff
[01:33] <chaotic_good> u on ur own
[01:33] <borgos> I am on ubuntu, just rebooted for the first time ever and I am unable to login from GUI.  If I hit ctrl-alt-F1 I can login from console
[01:33] <chaotic_good> :)
[01:33] <MrJerome> Wabs: I have kdenlive, how did you do it?
[01:33] <borgos> .xsession-errors says xorg.0.crash main process killed by term signal
[01:33] <BlackDeath_> chaotic_good, well :P :p :p i found an ubuntu guide for the squid3 edition
[01:34] <BlackDeath_> :)
[01:34] <borgos> does anyone have an idea of how i can fix this?
[01:34] <MrJerome> Wabs: I tried putting the long clip on the timeline, and have it all cut up how I want it, but I can't figure how to save the pieces as separate clips
[01:34] <borgos> basically i can logon from console but gui logon does not work after rebooting
[01:34] <chaotic_good> http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/BinaryPackages#KnowledgeBase.2BAC8-Ubuntu.Squid-3.1  oh did u install like this?
[01:34] <chaotic_good> oh nice
[01:35] <borgos> upsart-dbus-sesion-bridge main process terminated with status 1
[01:35] <BlackDeath_> i just did a "sudo apt-get install squid"
[01:35] <chaotic_good> varnish and ha-proxy are nicer than squid anyhow
[01:35] <borgos> windows-stack-bridge main process killed by SEGV signal
[01:35] <borgos> I would SUPER appreciate any help
[01:36] <borgos> i tried installing/reconfiguring/removing gdm
[01:37] <borgos> This is why its still not the year of the linux desktop :(
[01:38] <borgos> I cant load my goddamn GUI at logon, and it doesnt even give me a fucking error message
[01:38] <booncer> anyone use bt wifi or fon
[01:39] <Konata> borgos: Mind the language?
[01:40] <borgos> Konata: what for?
[01:40] <texla> !language | borgos
[01:40] <borgos> it's been a while since i have been censored on the internet
[01:41] <borgos> dont agree with that but if anyone can help me i will keep my mouth...family friendly
[01:42] <borgos> If someone winds up in #ubuntu they are capable of digesting free speech
[01:43] <skytrash> you cant say bomb on a plane or threaten someones life
[01:43] <skytrash> common sense is part of freedom
[01:43] <borgos> well sure you can
[01:43] <borgos> it might just inconvenience you
[01:43] <borgos> im just looking for some help with inability to login via gui
[01:44] <skytrash> you can, but not without being a douche bag
[01:44] <borgos> i will tip DOGE if someone can rectify my situation
[01:44]  * rww sighs
[01:44] <borgos> language skytrash
[01:44] <borgos> inappropriate
[01:44] <skytrash> no errors huh?
[01:44] <daftykins> children, children
[01:45] <skytrash> you using intel hd integrated chipset?
[01:45] <borgos> skytrash: .xsession-errors says unity-panel-service main process terminated with status 1
[01:45] <borgos> update-notifier-crash main process killed by TERM signal
[01:45] <borgos> i have radeon 7950
[01:45] <borgos> my box was fine, this is my first reboot since install
[01:45] <daftykins> borgos: can you stop pressing enter repeatedly please.
[01:45] <chaotic_good> I love resierFS
[01:45] <chaotic_good> :)
[01:45] <borgos> its certainly seen its fair share of updates and whatnot
[01:45] <chaotic_good> redo the box
[01:46] <borgos> daftykins: what the heck are you talking about
[01:46] <daftykins> type more per line instead of using enter as punctuation
[01:46] <skytrash> have you tried deleting your xorg.conf?
[01:47] <borgos> skytrash: im not a linux expert, and as such have not tried that before. im concerned about doing so and making things worse, but i suppose not being able to login is bad enough. let me try
[01:47] <borgos> daftykins: I take offense
[01:48] <skytrash> borgos: yeah no worries, it will re-create itself
[01:48] <rww> no it won't. of course, it also doesn't exist by default this decade.
[01:49] <daftykins> rww: why don't you do anything?
[01:50] <borgos> i dont have an xorg.conf file in /usr/lib/X11
[01:50] <borgos> am i looking in the wrong spot?
[01:51] <skytrash> X -configure
[01:51] <rww> borgos: it would be in /etc/X11/, if it existed.
[01:51] <skytrash> then boom
[01:52] <borgos> rmw: dont have that either :(
[01:52] <borgos> guess im doomed
[01:52] <skytrash> or is it Xorg -configure
[01:53] <rww> skytrash: what are you trying to achieve with this line of inquiry?
[01:53] <skytrash> rww: im trying to help my friend here
[01:53] <platonic> I know what he's trying to achieve.  Admin privileges.
[01:54] <rww> skytrash: by telling them to delete a file that they probably don't have, which wouldn't solve their problem anyway, and then pondering ways to generate such a file?
[01:54] <borgos> I appreciate the efforts
[01:54] <skytrash> oh yeah
[01:54] <borgos> I'm a total linux noob so I get stuck pretty fast
[01:54] <borgos> ive had a lot of problems with linux over the past 10 + years, but never seen the reboot and cant login again issue:(
[01:55] <chaotic_good> redo the box
[01:55] <borgos> this is why im on windows and osx
[01:55] <chaotic_good> dnt use gui login
[01:55] <chaotic_good> :)
[01:55] <skytrash> can you login in the terminal?
[01:55] <borgos> skytrash: yes
[01:55] <borgos> ctrl-alt-F1 i can login
[01:55] <borgos> gui i cannot
[01:55] <Busybyeski> good. you're now confined to the terminal for the rest of your life
[01:55] <borgos> this was my windows desktop replacement, first reboot
[01:56] <borgos> the terminal is....terminal
[01:56] <borgos> i dont want to die!
[01:56] <skytrash> you using gdm?
[01:56] <borgos> im not sure, it was just a default ubuntu install
[01:56] <skytrash> 12.04?
[01:56] <borgos> i tried installing gdm, didnt help
[01:56] <borgos> 13.10
[01:56] <platonic> borgos: sudo apt-get install gdm.
[01:57] <rww> ...
[01:57] <borgos> platonic: i did that, then rebooted, got a different GUI but still couldnt login
[01:57] <naryfa> sudo apt-get install windows XP
[01:57] <borgos> it goes black screen then back to gui login
[01:57] <platonic> You did not do that.  You did sudo su root; passwd.
[01:58] <borgos> um no i did not
[01:58] <borgos> i haven ot changed my password
[01:58] <borgos> and i definitely installed then removed gdm
[01:58] <kirfu> Hey, I currently have a hard drive with a dual boot ubuntu/windows. I bought another hard drive which I will add to the computer I want to copy over my Ubuntu to the new hard drive but leave windows on the old one. Is there a guide/easyish way to do this?
[01:58] <skytrash> have you tried to reconfigure your xserver?
[01:58] <skytrash> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:59] <platonic> terminally.
[01:59] <rww> skytrash: not sure why you think that would help considering xorg clearly works since they can get to a graphical login manager?
[01:59] <redst0rm> Hi guys o/
[02:00] <skytrash> i have had similar issues and had to set nouveau.modeset=0
[02:00] <platonic> I noticed redst0rm inned.
[02:00] <skytrash> rww: thought he said he gets a black screen
[02:00] <borgos> skytrash: tried that, no luck
[02:00] <redst0rm> Anyone here is runnin' the Ubuntu 14.04 beta 1 ?
[02:00] <borgos> im pretty sure im fubar :(
[02:00] <rww> redst0rm: the people in #ubuntu+1 are
[02:01] <redst0rm> i need help .. it won't install anything via Software center :/
[02:01] <kirfu> Hey, I currently have a hard drive with a dual boot ubuntu/windows. I bought another hard drive which I will add to the computer I want to copy over my Ubuntu to the new hard drive but leave windows on the old one. Is there a guide/easyish way to do this?
[02:01] <naryfa> What is it called when you cannot launch a terminal in Ubuntu?
[02:01] <redst0rm> Okay ty rww (:
[02:01] <naryfa> It is terminally ill.
[02:01] <a7i3n_> ee
[02:01] <borgos> skytrash and rmw thanks for your help even tho im screwed :)
[02:01] <platonic> kirfu: Some other way to do that is to get windows and leave Ubuntu installed.
[02:02] <kirfu> huh?
[02:02] <kirfu> if I use ddrescue I can copy the drives one for one.
[02:02] <kirfu> And then delete the windows one from my new drive and just repartition correct?
[02:03] <TJ-> borgos: Have you tried logging in as the guest user? If that works the at least we know it's a user-profile issue
[02:03] <kirfu> But then how will my dual boot work? Will I have to switch which drive to boot from in the bois each time?
[02:03] <borgos> TJ-: guest user does same black screen > back to login issue
[02:04] <lkthomas> does anyone test pxe boot installation for ubuntu? do I need to use apt-mirror the mirror 100GB+ repo ?
[02:04] <TJ-> borgos: OK, that helps .... can you do "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and tell us the URL of the pastebin it creates?
[02:05] <skytrash> borgos: in /etc/default/grub
[02:05] <borgos> http://paste.ubuntu.org/7117483
[02:06] <skytrash> borgos: pastebin that
[02:06] <borgos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7117483 is correct my bad
[02:06] <TJ-> borgos: that URL seems to be incomplete, getting 404 not found
[02:06] <TJ-> borgos: thanks :)
[02:07] <skytrash> in your grub_cmdline_linux_default try adding nomodeset
[02:07] <skytrash> or  radeon.modeset=0
[02:08] <skytrash> or you can do it at boot screen
[02:08] <skytrash> of grub
[02:08] <TJ-> borgos: That seems to indicate it's not a driver issue, more-like a window-manager issue
[02:08] <borgos> sorry im a noob where do i edit that?
[02:08] <skytrash> borgos: in /etc/default/grub
[02:09] <TJ-> skytrash: There isn't a problem with mode-setting, the issue is the WM session is failing to log-in
[02:09] <skytrash> really how do you know?
[02:10] <borgos> /
[02:10] <TJ-> skytrash: because I've read what borgos has described about his issue
[02:10] <TJ-> borgos: OK, can you pastebin this? "sudo cat /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log | pastebinit"
[02:11] <skytrash> ahhh, ok im seeing the "working url"
[02:12] <borgos> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7117501/
[02:12] <kcdehimposter> Hey I am on Ubuntu 13.10 and just switched my graphics driver to a propietary version, but now my screen doesn't take up my whole monitor, how can I switch it to take up my whole monitor?
[02:14] <platonic> kcdehimposter: I see what you mean.  Graphics can switch using Umon.
[02:15] <TJ-> borgos: The user account name is "ubuntu" ?
[02:15] <borgos> user account is simply "user"
[02:16] <TJ-> borgos: ahh, OK, that was, I thought, lightdm's way of saying 'some user name', didn't realise it was literal :)
[02:16] <borgos> i dont have much of an imagination lol
[02:16] <TJ-> borgos: "sudo cat /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log | pastebinit"
[02:17] <borgos> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7117520/
[02:17] <ahmad_> I need help with dual booting
[02:17] <TJ-> borgos: I'm seeing this "Session: Failed during authentication" which could indicate a password issue - something like the NumLock or Caps Lock being on without you realising, or could be something else entirely
[02:18] <borgos> TJ-: i can login just fine via console with ctrl-alt-F1
[02:18] <TJ-> borgos: OK, worth checking the obvious. I've had the GUI toggle the Caps Lock sense when the TTYs were fine
[02:19] <kcdehimposter> platonic: What do you mean by Umon? I just looked and can't find what you might be refering to
[02:19] <borgos> yeah i understand. i sextuple checked that and i am definitely doing the correct pw in gui that works in console
[02:19] <ahmad_> COuld some one help me with dual booting please grub dosent see my windows 8
[02:19] <rww> keyboard layout change?
[02:19] <TJ-> borgos: It's getting beyond the authentication I think, need to persue the logs further :)
[02:20] <platonic> dpkg-reconfigure xorgserver.  I put an alias in my script.
[02:20] <borgos> TJ-: I really appreciate the help.
[02:21] <ahmad_> hello....
[02:21] <kcdehimposter> platonic: Was that for me?
[02:21] <platonic> Hi ahmad_.  I noticed you while you were searching for dual-boot.
[02:22] <ahmad_> yes i need some help
[02:22] <platonic> I also noticed kcdehimposter asking me a question I already answered.
[02:22] <ahmad_> grub dose not see my windows 8
[02:22] <ahmad_> so icant pick it when booting
[02:23] <platonic> It's okay.  It's probably UEFI BIOS.  Switch BIOS to old boot method.
[02:23] <platonic> It might be that you have to use Windows before Ubuntu.
[02:23] <ahmad_> i Hvae them on two diffrent harddrives too
[02:24] <ahmad_> i feel like that has something to do with it idk tho
[02:24] <platonic> First hard drive must have Windows to dual-boot.
[02:24] <TJ-> borgos: Have you installed/changed default display manager (gdm/kdm) ?
[02:24] <ahmad_> It does have windows my second is linux
[02:24] <TJ-> borgos: There are some issues I'm finding where if an alternative has been installed and selected, it 'upsets' the configuration when switching back to the original
[02:25] <borgos> TJ-:  not before the problems arised. as part of troubleshooting i did install gdm, booted to that, got a diff GUI screen, still unable to login tho (black screen)
[02:25] <platonic> ahmad_: F2 on boot.
[02:25] <borgos> TJ-: i didnt install anything until i had issues. let me try uninstalling gdm again
[02:26] <ahmad_> and then what?
[02:26] <TJ-> borgos: OK, well it might be worth trying to persue the clean-up that is recommended for that, which requires doing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm" and selecting the default DM *before* removing gdm
[02:26] <platonic> Read the dialog.  It will tell you which configuration you can edit for hardware.
[02:27] <checkit_> Hey guys. What is a good maldet equiv for ubuntu?
[02:27] <philaneous> TJ-: thank you for your help
[02:27] <philaneous> TJ-: i resolved my issue(s)
[02:27] <lkthomas> is there have ubuntu server IRC channel ?
[02:27] <TJ-> philaneous: sorted now?
[02:27] <philaneous> TJ-: Yes sir
[02:27] <TJ-> :)
[02:27] <ahmad_> ive tried changing which dirve boots first it didnt do anything
[02:27] <philaneous> TJ-: i have symbolink that was broken too
[02:28] <TJ-> philaneous: I've had the out-of-space issue a few times because I'm installing self-built test kernels and forget to clean up :)
[02:28] <Tom1> hello all
[02:28] <philaneous> TJ-: another issue i found that it was saying that i had .37 installed when i tried removing it, it stated that it didnt exist,
[02:28] <philaneous> TJ-: so i reinstalled it
[02:28] <philaneous> that fixed a lot of my issues
[02:28] <platonic> TJ-: What kernels do you build?
[02:29] <TJ-> platonic: good ones :)
[02:29] <borgos> TJ-: just tried that, but same error :(  httpL//paste.ubuntu.com/7117557
[02:30] <platonic> TJ-: borgos has no clue what you're doing.  But borgos has a good point.
[02:30] <borgos> sorry i mean to say i installed gdm, no dice, uninstalled gdm and switched to lightwm then got the error i just pastebined
[02:32] <platonic> borgos, what are you doing with gdm and other wms?
[02:32] <borgos> i dont know :(
[02:33] <TJ-> ouch - /home/ just hit 100%
[02:33] <borgos> i had working ubuntu, rebooted, and can no longer login via gui. i have no clue what the default gui is or if i was using it successfully before or not
[02:33] <borgos> i was on vanilla 13.10
[02:35] <rafs> join /elementary
[02:35] <rafs> ops
[02:35] <TJ-> borgos: It looks as if the 'session' settings are causing this, it's worth firstly ensuring the display server has stopped: "sudo service lightdm stop" and then reconfiguring it "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" in case config files need resetting to defaults. Then, you can try restarting the DM: "sudo service lightdm start"
[02:37] <peyam> Hi
[02:37] <ahmad_> planatonic: Ive swapped the order in which my drives boot and i still get nothing on my grub for windows 8
[02:38] <Tom1> my computer runs hotter on puppy linux than on windows
[02:38] <Tom1>  almost 15 celsius hotter than windows
[02:38] <chaotic_good> poopy
[02:38] <peyam> I use my TV as monitor and I have quit bad picture with hdmi. I wonder if I change it to vga will it still have this resolution 1920x1080?
[02:38] <platonic> That's because Windows 8 supports UEFI.  You need to adjust the settings in the BIOS for SSD/HDD to toggle on another level.
[02:39] <platonic> But don't do that just yet.
[02:39] <peyam> Tom1, yes. if you got a better power manager in Windows you will get a cooler cpu
[02:39] <borgos> TJ-: still no dice. tried that. I appreciate your help, if you have a BTC or DOGE addr let me know
[02:39] <ahmad_> What should i try next
[02:40] <peyam> ahmad_, why not insert you win 8 disk and repair the boot menu?
[02:40] <chro> hi, I need to resize my sda1 partition, what live CD can I use for that?
[02:40] <platonic> ahmad_: Take the next step in using F11/F12 for booting SSD/HDD.
[02:40] <ahmad_> I dont have it i installed from a friends usb
[02:40] <chro> (I want to download something as small as possible
[02:41] <TJ-> borgos: I'm trying to reproduce it here, but no luck so far
[02:41] <mrpcguy> WHAT'S UP SCRIPT KIDDIES!
[02:41] <platonic> HIIII!
[02:41] <ahmad_> okay ill be back
[02:41] <ahmad_> i hope i dont have to lol
[02:41] <peyam> ahmad_, have you tried boot repair?
[02:41] <Beldar> chro, gparted has a download bootable, several even smaller OS's
[02:42] <ahmad_> no where is that
[02:42] <peyam> ahmad_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[02:42] <peyam> this will repair your grub
[02:42] <mrpcguy> i'm so ready for ubuntu 14.04 to come out.
[02:42] <peyam> and you see the menu
[02:42] <peyam> mrpcguy, Im will in 13.04
[02:42] <chro> great, thanks
[02:43] <Tom1> peyam: is it a bug in linux which makes computer run hotter?
[02:43] <peyam> s
[02:43] <peyam> *
[02:43] <TJ-> borgos: what does this report? "readlink /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager"
[02:43] <Tom1> peyam: what can i do solve this problem?
[02:43] <peyam> Tom1, no! it's the wasy they work.  Power managers may cool down the system.
[02:44] <peyam> Tom1, what is ur computer specification? AMD?
[02:44] <peyam> INTE?
[02:44] <peyam> Intel?
[02:44] <borgos> TJ-: /usr/bin/gnome-session
[02:44] <Tom1> peyam: mine is a intel q6600 quad core processor
[02:44] <Tom1> peyam:8 gb ram
[02:44] <TJ-> borgos: Good
[02:44] <Tom1> peyam:750 gb hdd
[02:44] <borgos> im shocked :)
[02:45] <rww> Tom1: graphics card?
[02:45] <Tom1> peyam: i am intel integrated graphics chip
[02:46] <peyam> Tom1, okej. Clearly Windows wants to use full power of you system. It can be becouse of the drivers. but it's still not a problem! if you concern about your electricity consuption then you can adjust the graphics and turn off some services and startups
[02:46] <peyam> Tom1, but still how hot is ur computer? on windows and Linux?
[02:47] <peyam> On battery power it's the other way. Linux in generell uses alot more battery than windows. I don't know why
[02:47] <Tom1> peyam: on linux its runs around 65 c and on windows 7 it runs around 41-43 c
[02:47] <peyam> Tom1, ohh ohh. it's the other way
[02:47] <peyam> sorry
[02:47] <peyam> is it a laptop?
[02:47] <chro> Beldar: which version should I download? I don't find any link for an ISO, my arch is x64
[02:47] <Tom1> peyam: its a desktop
[02:48] <Tom1> peyam: and in linux the task manager shows that i have very less cpu usage and very low ram usage but still the temp is high
[02:48] <Tom1> very complicated
[02:48] <peyam> Tom1, yes 65 is high for  desktop on linux
[02:48] <Tom1> yes
[02:48] <Tom1> but on window 7 it runs arounf 43 c
[02:48] <peyam> what is ur distro?
[02:48] <Arafangion> peyam: I've heard similar...  Manufacturers tend to focus more on power management lately.  I've heard that if you want to run linux on the mac books, for instance, the most efficient way is to isntall OS X, and then linux in a VM, simply because OS X is where apple put their power management.
[02:49] <Tom1> peyam: ubuntu 12.10
[02:49] <Arafangion> peyam: I wouldn't be surprised if most of the other manufacturers do similar with windows and their systems.
[02:49] <peyam> Arafangion, yes. Lenovo has done a excellent job lately with power managing! That's why i love IBM computers
[02:49] <TJ-> borgos: on the possibility that recent package upgrade has broken the system, how about ensuring the system is entirely up-to-date? "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:49] <cassio> hey guys. so I rebooted my minimal installation
[02:49] <peyam> Tom1, It can be a bug in kernel since the k ernel in 12.10 is old
[02:49] <cassio> it seems okay
[02:49] <Arafangion> peyam: Lenovo systems haven't been IBM for at least a decade.
[02:50] <cassio> but, there are no icons in the unity dock thing
[02:50] <cassio> has anyone seen this problem before?
[02:50] <Tom1> peyan: i see, i will try the newer ubuntu, does it runs cooler on computers?
[02:50] <peyam> Arafangion, yes. I meant lenevo system,. I got myself two of them. People still dont know that Lenovo was originally IBM computers.
[02:50] <peyam> Tom1, right now on Xubuntu I have 34
[02:51] <cassio> peyam, yes lenovo was the original mfr of ibm thinkpads
[02:51] <Tom1> peyam: that nice , 34 c is very low temp,
[02:51] <Arafangion> peyam: The impression I had was that IBM outsourced manufacture of their laptops (and later, desktops) to Lenovo, but allowed them to rebrand them as IBM.
[02:51] <peyam> Arafangion, the point was that the power management system works excelent
[02:51] <peyam> Arafangion, I would love to have a IBM brand on my thinkpads
[02:51] <Arafangion> peyam: They probably kept to publised standards.
[02:51] <TJ-> borgos: Once you've done that, let's delete lightdm's authority file with "sudo service lightdm stop; sudo rm /var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority" ... then try restarting the DM, with "sudo service lightdm start"
[02:52] <Arafangion> peyam: Why?
[02:52] <Tom1>  peyam: i have a q600 quad core cpu , 8 gb ram and 750 gb hdd, are these specs sufficient to run newer ubuntu?
[02:52] <peyam> Tom1, Yes, XFCE is very light and I have a nice spu fan. it's a noctua :D
[02:53] <peyam> Tom1, yes. if you can have win 7 so you can have ubuntu :D
[02:53] <Tom1> peyam thanks for info buddy, i will install newer ubuntu and see what happens
[02:54] <Arafangion> Tom1: Ubuntu seems to work fine on my eeePC laptop, although it's very slow to run apps (which I suspect is due to not having installed it yet... It's runnign from Live USB).
[02:54] <peyam> Tom1, I would go with xubuntu. you would love it!
[02:54] <Arafangion> Tom1: Doesn't support the eeePC touchpad though, not sure why.  Also it's an Atom CPU.
[02:54] <Tom1>  peyam: which version of xubuntu peyam?
[02:54] <peyam> I use 13.04 :)
[02:55] <Tom1> i see
[02:55] <Tom1> how;s linux mint 16 xfce peyam, is it good ?
[02:56] <peyam> Tom1, I dont like Mint sorry. I dont know what made me think that mint is nothing for me. .. I think Xubuntu is the best choice for xfce users
[02:56] <cassio> cAAIO
[02:58] <Arafangion> Tom1: It's worth noting that mint, debian, and ubuntu, are all quite different.  Not actually familiar with mint myself, but as a debian user, ubuntu and debian are quite differetn.
[02:59] <peyam> Debian kiled my system once! :(
[02:59] <Arafangion> Eh?
[02:59] <peyam> yeah. :(
[02:59] <borgos> TJ-:  I am running the update cmds now, will run the lightdm delete when its done in about 15 mins
[02:59] <Arafangion> peyam: Please do elaborate.
[03:00] <TJ-> borgos: ouch, 15 mins?! I suspect deleting the Xauthority will be the solution, I'd forgotten about that one
[03:00] <peyam> Arafangion, I dont remember but it's was something with grub i couldnt fix. and some drivers that refused to be installed
[03:01] <TJ-> borgos: I have to leave now, hope you get it sorted :)
[03:01] <Arafangion> peyam: So you installed them from outside the debian repository.  Not debian's fault then!
[03:01] <borgos> TJ-:  i tried deleting xauthority before asking for help it didnt work
[03:01] <peyam> Arafangion, totally true! but hte grub thing was a debian fault
[03:01] <borgos> thanks for your help
[03:02] <TJ-> borgos: The lightdm xauthority, or the user's home directory ?
[03:02] <Arafangion> peyam: Possibly, was that while installing a debian kernel, or your own?
[03:02] <borgos> i dont remember lol
[03:02] <Arafangion> peyam: If you did your own, did you follow debian's documentation? (make-kpkg and all that?)
[03:02] <peyam> debian kernel. I dont remember but it was some point in november last year.. if it's newer version now
[03:03] <Tom1> peyam: i agree with you , i also used debian once and it gave me lot system crashes and made my windows 7 os unbootable and then i had to finally reinstall  windows 7
[03:03] <TJ-> borgos: I'd suspect it was the /home/$USER/.Xauthority.  Check the date/time of the one in "sudo ls -latr /var/log/lightdm/" it's probably stale (from before the system crash)
[03:03] <Arafangion> peyam: November... Which release?
[03:03] <Tom1> don;t know why,
[03:03] <peyam> I don't remember. wheezl something?
[03:03] <Arafangion> peyam: Should've been stable.  Curious.
[03:04] <peyam> Tom1, yes it's a common known. but there is a work around for it.
[03:04] <peyam> I love the Elementary choice of softwares
[03:04] <peyam> I didn't need to remove any unwished software when I once wanted to try it
[03:05] <Tom1> peyam: xubuntu is stable? i mean when i used ubuntu 12.10 it was giving me panic error ,messages just after booting into live mode, is it lot stable than ubuntu?
[03:05] <peyam> Arafangion, I use HDMI cable now. if I switch to vga , do you think I wil be able to obtain the same resolution? 1920x1080
[03:05] <platonic> I want to reboot.  But my reboot is croned.  What should I do?
[03:06] <peyam> Tom1, yes. since you wana dual boot you will maybe maybe force to remake the grub. in that case you repair the boot!
[03:06] <Tom1> peyam; that will i do, have to repair the boot
[03:07] <Tom1> i will try the xubuntu 13.04
[03:07] <Tom1> and see if it reduces the cpu temps
[03:07] <Arafangion> peyam: VGA tends to support very high resolutions, but you may get flickering or colour changes if there is too much interference.
[03:07] <xerium> hi all
[03:07] <peyam> Tom1, yes.. do it! IT wil defenatly do!
[03:07] <Arafangion> peyam: VGA's an analogue system, after all.
[03:07] <xerium> has anyone had any issues with their wireless network connection dropping on and off?
[03:07] <peyam> Arafangion, I prefer analog befor digital
[03:07] <Tom1> xerium: on ubuntu?
[03:08] <Arafangion> peyam: Why?  The monitors are digital now.
[03:08] <peyam> xerium, yes on Eduroam I have that issue that I haven't been able to fix
[03:08] <Arafangion> peyam: Digital -> Analogue -> Digital seems pointless.
[03:08] <peyam> Arafangion, in generellt I like analog with no leakage
[03:09] <Arafangion> There is always leakage.
[03:09] <peyam> Arafangion, yes. that's the sad part
[03:09] <Jeckidy> Cxu vi parolas esperanton?
[03:09] <peyam> Arafangion, are you an engineer ?
[03:09] <Ben64> uh, can we stay on topic please? Ubuntu support only
[03:10] <peyam> sory
[03:10] <Arafangion> peyam: Yes, please get back on topic. :)
[03:10] <Ben64> just use #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat
[03:18] <chro> how can I check if everything is OK with my ubuntu installation/packages ?
[03:19] <Arafangion> chro: I'd use the eyeball method.
[03:19] <Arafangion> chro: What reason do you have to suspect that your ubuntu installation or packages are not OK?
[03:20] <chro> Arafangion: because I got errors while upgrading to 13.10, out of disk space
[03:20] <chro> then I rebooted, and it says I'm running 13.10
[03:20] <Arafangion> chro: Then I might suggest that not everything is OK with your Ubuntu installation.
[03:20] <Arafangion> chro: In particular, perhaps you have run out of disk space?
[03:20] <chro> Arafangion: so, what can I do to fix it? I already deleted stuff and now I have 2 more GB
[03:22] <Arafangion> chro: I'm not familiar with Ubuntu's partition scheme, however if you now have enough disk space in the right partitions, then you should be OK there, although your installation might be incomplete.
[03:22] <Arafangion> chro: I would probably just re-install those specific packages if you find or suspect an issue, eg, if Libreoffice doesn't start, I'd reinstall that.
[03:23] <chro> ok
[03:23] <Arafangion> chro: But if you have enough disk space (now) and everything seems to be fine, I wouldn't worry.
[03:23] <Arafangion> chro: I do, however, recommend you maintain your backups, but I always say that.
[03:24] <chro> thanks
[03:30] <chaotic_good> backups!!!
[03:30] <chaotic_good> thier pissa!
[03:31] <rww> o.O
[03:38] <Traucet> Sorry Linux fans. Had to go back to Windows. Only have so many weeks to try and make things I like work. Nvidia Drivers, Wine, WoW, Pipelight(Netflix).
[03:39] <Arafangion> Understandable. Consider using a VM instead of dualbooting if you're considering that, too.
[03:40] <chaotic_good> Traucet: good for u!
[03:40] <chaotic_good> lol
[03:40] <Traucet> Hate Dual booting, but I will put one instance of Ubuntu in a VM.
[03:41] <Arafangion> VM's on windows are very good - some, like VMware, even do 3D acceleration, if I hear right
[03:42] <Arafangion> Not sure if they do that with a linux guest though.
[03:43] <Traucet> Never tried it as I just used it as a web deveopment stack.
[03:44] <Arafangion> Fair enough.
[03:45] <Traucet> Although, I gave it a fair go as the sole OS on the system. Tried Several flavors of Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Arch..Ohh well.
[03:46] <Arafangion> Traucet: Those all have fairly different ways of doign things.
[03:47] <Traucet> Exactly the reason I tried them.
[03:48] <Traucet> Wssnt working in, maybe changing up a bit would do the trick. Unfortunately not so much.
[03:58] <smulverine> hi all, is there a way to export desktop settings to another machine?
[03:58] <smulverine> been using unity for a few weeks and i want to copy the settings my laptop
[03:59] <smulverine> looked online but can't find anything about it
[04:02] <Guest6737> ?
[04:04] <Beldar> smulverine, compiz has an export, really depends on what you have done, many apps have exports or configs.
[04:04] <Tom1> Beldar: hello
[04:05] <smulverine> Beldar: well, it's still rather vanilla
[04:06] <smulverine> Beldar: haven't changed anything, in fact
[04:06] <smulverine> Beldar: so I have to install the compiz configuration manager?
[04:07] <smulverine> Beldar: apart from some keyboard shortcuts :S
[04:07] <Beldar> smulverine, I believe so it's not in the install, but compiz is there.
[04:07] <smulverine> Beldar: okay, let me try.  thanks
[04:20] <jerkey> hey, can anyone here (not themill) tell me what source i can find this package in: https://packages.debian.org/sid/android-tools-adb
[04:21] <krazz> hello
[04:23] <rww> jerkey: 1) this isn't a Debian channel, though I'm assuming you don't like #debian. 2) "Download Source Package android-tools"
[04:23] <Yakisoba-> Hi ! can you help me with this. Ubuntu 12 04. I can't see other PC in local network from Ubuntu. maybe something wrong in smb.conf?
[04:24] <jerkey> rww thank you, i'm trying to figure out how to add it to my /etc/apt/sources.list but i'm new to this stuff
[04:25] <rww> jerkey: are you using debian wheezy or something else?
[04:26] <jerkey> i'm running crunchbang.  I guess i figured it out, it was "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main" but i would like to know the correct way to find out things like this (i just tried random things until it worked)
[04:26] <rww> no, not sid. it's in wheezy-backports
[04:26] <rww> as the top right says
[04:26] <rww> wheezy-backports will break less stuff if you're on wheezy than sid will
[04:26] <rww> deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main
[04:27] <rww> which I got by googling wheezy-backports and ending up at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
[04:27] <rww> Anyways. We don't support Crunchbang and neither does #debian. #crunchbang is the place for support questions in future.
[04:28] <skippydoo> hello, i would like to destroy the nouveau drivers and install drivers i got right from nvidia.  how might i do this (right now i had to hit ctrl - alt - f1) to be able to do anything. also, the computer can't get online yet.
[04:29] <jerkey> thank you rww
[04:29] <rww> you're welcome :)
[04:30] <Pinkamena_D> any easy command I could type right now which would say: suspend this computer in three hours?
[04:30] <rww> Pinkamena_D: leaving the terminal open in the meantime?
[04:31] <rww> (easier if you do, but either way is possible)
[04:31] <Pinkamena_D> yes
[04:31] <rww> sleep 3h; pm-suspend
[04:31] <Pinkamena_D> nice
[04:32] <rww> pm-suspend might need sudo, i forget
[04:32] <Pinkamena_D> needs sudo I presume?
[04:32] <rww> if so, it'd be sleep 3h; sudo pm-suspend
[04:32] <rww> oh, but then password... hrm.
[04:32] <Pinkamena_D> I could just sudo su first, or that would expire after a while?
[04:32] <rww> oh true, that would work
[04:33] <QuinnStorm> sudo su doesn't expire
[04:33] <Pinkamena_D> cool
[04:33] <QuinnStorm> it launches a new shell as root, so until you log out that context it has root privs
[04:33] <QuinnStorm> 'sudo su -' if you want it to be a bit nicer to use
[04:34] <Pinkamena_D> nicer?
[04:34] <QuinnStorm> it sets up the shell and such as though you logged in as root instead of preserving a bunch of the user environment
[04:34] <QuinnStorm> its just...cleaner
[04:35] <QuinnStorm> doesn't matter really for this instance
[04:37] <skippydoo> ahem
[04:37] <skippydoo> cough cough
[04:42] <agent_white> Hello everyone
[04:43] <LCyrin> hai irc
[04:44]  * agent_white waves
[04:45] <NavinRJohnson> Hey everyone, I got a networking question. Computer A) IP-192.168.x.x and cant use any port forwarding from router.  Computer B) linux vps with ssh server.  I want to host a service on Computer A but have clients connect to IP:Port of Computer B, is this possible? I understand how to make outgoing ssh tunnels work if that helps at all.
[04:49] <agent_white> NavinRJohnson: Just a heads up, take this lightly since this might not be the best answer... but... Does computer A have iptables? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-port-redirection-with-iptables/
[04:50] <agent_white> Or possibly would you be looking to setup a proxy server on computer A?
[04:51] <NavinRJohnson> no i should have mentioned the os of computer A is win7
[04:51] <chaotic_good> anyone here use ubuntu as a router?
[04:53] <agent_white> NavinRJohnson: In that case I have no idea. But ##networking should be plenty of help!
[04:54] <NavinRJohnson> agent_white: I wasnt sure where to put this question but #networking would make a lot more sense. Thanks
[04:55] <agent_white> NavinRJohnson: Of course! Might as well 'spray n' pray' ;)
[04:55] <NavinRJohnson> agent_white: I agree. Accuracy by volume.
[04:56] <chaotic_good> ha proxy is kinda nice
[04:56] <chaotic_good> no one now needs f5 load balancer or cisco netscalers
[04:56] <chaotic_good> except arrgant network goon managers
[04:57] <Wash_Jones> Hey all. I'm trying to install the id3 system, but at the end of the ./configure process it gives me this error "configure: error: Missing a vital header file for id3lib". I didn't have automake/autoconf or zlib installed, but now I do, and it's still saying that. Anyone know what's up?
[05:06] <agent_white> Wash_Jones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18545/installing-suggested-recommended-packages
[05:08] <skippydoo> hello, i would like to destroy the nouveau drivers and install drivers i got right from nvidia.  how might i do this (right now i had to hit ctrl - alt - f1) to be able to do anything. also, the computer can't get online yet.
[05:11] <agent_white> skippydoo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Removing_Nouveau_.28advanced.2BAC8-expert_users.29
[05:12] <agent_white> skippydoo: For future Googling endeavors; "drivers right from nvidia" are called 'proprietary drivers'.
[05:13] <chaotic_good> yeah
[05:13] <chaotic_good> yeahhhhh
[05:13] <chaotic_good> apt-get install -y xorg
[05:13] <chaotic_good> done
[05:13] <chaotic_good> use iceWM
[05:13] <chaotic_good> firefox
[05:13] <chaotic_good> pidgin
[05:13] <agent_white> i3
[05:13] <chaotic_good> gnumeric
[05:14]  * agent_white giggles
[05:14] <skippydoo> thanks agent_white i'm trying just now to manually (ctrl alt f1 ) instal the .run file from nvid... but as soon as that happens, it says 'dude, yer running x, stop that crap.'  how can i kill the x that seems to somehow be running?
[05:14] <rww> chaotic_good: in addition to unopaste's questionable communication, please increase your signal-to-noise ratio in general, since this *is* a support channel after all.
[05:14] <rww> skippydoo: sudo service lightdm stop, probably
[05:15] <skippydoo> if in there i type "who" it shows me trying to be in tty8. what was it again that i can kill tty8?
[05:15] <skippydoo> (that cmd you said seems to have worked)
[05:17] <agent_white> skippydoo: Googles for "kill tty session"
[05:17] <agent_white> skippydoo: http://kb.iu.edu/data/adqw.html  --or-- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15195470/how-to-kill-the-tty-in-unix
[05:17] <skippydoo> ok, fine. i just thought it was a simple command that i used to know....
[05:18] <agent_white> skippydoo: Oh no my friend! Just trying to help your Google skills! It helps to know "what to Google for", ya know?
[05:20] <Wash_Jones> Hey, White, thanks for that, by the way. Didn't notice because I actually wound up finding a guide elsewhere that solved my problem, but thanks anyhow!
[05:20] <Wash_Jones> I'll probably still find it useful.
[05:21] <skippydoo> agent_white, i think i'm ok... but i wondering if i need to kill that old nvidia driver now that it's trying to put on this new one.
[05:21] <skippydoo> this prop one
[05:22] <agent_white> skippydoo: What _I_ do when I'm installing a new video driver is ensure I'm logged in with a single shell session. No window managers, etc.
[05:23] <skippydoo> agent_white, i was in the ctrl alt f1 place -- if you know what i mean.
[05:23] <agent_white> skippydoo: So just... only "command prompt"?
[05:24] <agent_white> skippydoo: If you're iffy, I would say to restart your machine and get back to that "command prompt".
[05:24] <skippydoo> well, that didn't work. x is crying now.... says it's not config'd right.
[05:25] <agent_white> Well it can cry, as long as it's not crying for nouveau.
[05:25] <skippydoo> i hate video drivers.
[05:25] <agent_white> Me too.
[05:25] <skippydoo> wish they just worked like windows.
[05:25] <skippydoo> all i bloody want to do is get rid of these drivers and use ones i got right from nvidia.
[05:26] <agent_white> What for, anyways?
[05:26] <AussieDownUnder> I thought nvidia were supposed to work better than amd on linux. I'm using amd & the drivers put themself on
[05:26] <AussieDownUnder> skippydoo, did you go to the system settings - additional drivers section?
[05:26] <skippydoo> cause i boot to a blk scr   can't do anything unless i hit ctrl alt f1
[05:26] <AussieDownUnder> If you wait at that screen options for drivers should come up
[05:26] <AussieDownUnder> skippydoo, did you just install ubuntu?
[05:26] <agent_white> Nvidia work worse, and being "close-source" as proprietary code/drivers tend to be... unless you have a usecase NEEDING the proprietary drivers, nouveau are better off.
[05:26] <skippydoo> i can't go to .... cause my scr is blk!!!!!
[05:27] <skippydoo> this is my EXACT problem:   http://luizfar.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/how-to-switch-off-xps1340-discrete-video-card-on-linux/
[05:27] <agent_white> skippydoo: Don't lose hope! This shit is where you learn those lessons that you NEVER forget. :)
[05:27] <skippydoo> cept his instructions are old and don't work anymore.
[05:27] <agent_white> skippydoo: Did you follow my link? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Removing_Nouveau_.28advanced.2BAC8-expert_users.29
[05:28] <skippydoo> agent_white, looking now...
[05:29] <skippydoo> that makes sense to my problem. sorry i missed that.
[05:29] <agent_white> skippydoo: Follow it _closely_. Also, to be sure you got everything removed, I generally do the "apt-get search noueavu | grep installed" to see if I accidentally forgot to remove something.
[05:31] <skippydoo> says invalid searcch
[05:35] <skippydoo> this is just stupid. i need xp or something....
[05:35] <skippydoo> it can't do winders 7... can't do linux... what the heck.
[05:35] <skippydoo> i hate this laptop.
[05:36] <skippydoo> i wanna stab the person at nvidia that thunk it was a cool idea to put in two graphics cards in a laptop.
[05:38] <Tazen> lol
[05:38] <andry> nvidia optimus?
[05:42] <skippydoo> it is a dell 1340 with two gfx cards.
[05:42] <skippydoo> no one can make this work now...
[05:42] <CPPLIN> How to I increase the size of the root file system ? .. I actually formatted two xp drives.. I wanted to add the extra space to the root file system
[05:43] <andry> skippydoo, one intel, one nvidia?
[05:43] <CPPLIN> I had a dual boot of xp and ubuntu.. now from ubuntu I formatted the xp drives to ext4.. but they just automount as drives..
[05:43] <skippydoo> CPPLIN, type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted         in a terminal window    -   hit ctrl alt t to get that
[05:43] <skippydoo> both nvidia
[05:43] <QuinnStorm> CPPLIN: gparted won't resize the root filesystem, and if they are separate disks you actually need something like lvm to pull them together into one fs
[05:44] <QuinnStorm> CPPLIN: that is it won't resize it if its booted from that root fs
[05:44] <QuinnStorm> you'd need to boot from a liveusb or something
[05:44] <skippydoo> ooh, well, yeah, what quinigan is saying is right. just do it from a live cd or a live usbkey that's the best way.
[05:45] <andry> did you add busid in xorg.conf? to define the primary card? i guess you get no x screen?
[05:45] <CPPLIN> QunnStorm: its a single disk..with different logical drives.
[05:45] <QuinnStorm> ok
[05:45] <QuinnStorm> so different partitions
[05:45] <CPPLIN> yes
[05:45] <QuinnStorm> then yeah you'll just need to boot a livecd/liveusb and run gparted from it
[05:45] <QuinnStorm> I think there's even a gparted live distro
[05:46] <QuinnStorm> do be careful not to interrupt it while its working though (make sure you're plugged in if its a laptop, etc.)
[05:46] <skippydoo> andry, no. i have no clue what i'm doing. i'm about to cry.  i do / must kill the 9200 card and only use the 9400 card. that would help sooo much. and solve my probs.
[05:46] <CPPLIN> ok.. but Last time when I checked live cd for 10.04 I guess I didn't find gparted.
[05:47] <andry> skippydoo, can you run lspci |grep -i nvidia ?
[05:47] <CPPLIN> I have created a usb for 12.04.. hope it helps
[05:47] <xennygrimmato> Is there any way I can install libboost-1.49 on Ubuntu 12.04 ? When I try to install it, I get an error saying it is "not installable".
[05:47] <skippydoo> andry, pm ok? i'm really going nuts here at this point.
[05:47] <andry> ok
[05:47] <QuinnStorm> it might be on that, I don't remember
[05:47] <QuinnStorm> if it gets internet you can probably apt-get install it
[05:47] <QuinnStorm> if it isn't there
[05:48] <PRC_Boy> hi all
[06:11] <HayleySabrina> hello
[06:11] <HayleySabrina> can you help me how to block ip from accessing ssh?
[06:13] <moyam01> HayleySabrina: iptables -A INPUT -p -tcp -dport 22 -s ip.being.blocked -j DENY
[06:14] <moyam01> assuming your ssh server is running on port 22
[06:15] <moyam01> you migh want to also take a look at faul to ban
[06:15] <moyam01> correction fail to ban
[06:17] <somsip> moyam01: fail2ban, just to clarify
[06:17] <moyam01> somsip: yeah your right, thanks
[06:18] <chaotic_good> anyone here a value based consultant?
[06:18] <chaotic_good> as opposed to a wageslave?
[06:19] <HayleySabrina> it said : unknown protocol "-tcp" specified
[07:01] <k0fee> i'm on natty on my other box i'm trying to install openvpn, leafpad, conky and hexedit what's the repository i should use, for some reason my list isn't working
[07:03] <emir> how can I only display pwd in PS1 terminal header, without displaying user@host ?
[07:05] <tozen> k0fee: http://pogidude.com/2013/how-to-install-packages-for-end-of-life-ubuntu-editions/
[07:05] <geirha> remove the \u and \h ...?
[07:08] <deriii> how i install a driver on ci ?\
[07:09] <geirha> emir: the part between   \[\e]0; and \a\]   ends up as xterm title. Remove everything but \w
[07:10] <mandabajuhitam> hi? can you help me bro?
[07:11] <mandabajuhitam> i'm #opnewblood
[07:11] <emir> I've insert PS1="${PWD} \$ " and that does it... it only displays pwd, but it's not permanent... how do I make it permanent ?
[07:12] <geirha> emir: that only changes your prompt, not the terminal title, but anyway, you put it in ~/.bashrc to make it "permanent"
[07:12] <Tazmain> hi all, with a ubuntu minimal install what would be better to install unity or xubuntu ?
[07:13] <geirha> emir: Oh, and you used the wrong quotes. You need '' quotes there, not "" quotes
[07:13] <mandabajuhitam> i'd find tools of ubuntu.. can you help me?
[07:13] <k0fee> tozen i see the isos to download but no repo lists currently going ok for natty
[07:13] <k0fee> if i have to i'll download the iso just to mount it copy the repo files over
[07:14] <k0fee> after this i'm going to dd mirror the drive so won't have to go through this again
[07:14] <emir> @geirha I don't have ~/.bashrc in ~/ only bash_history and bach_logout... I make it or what ?
[07:14] <geirha> emir: Then you've either removed it, or your user got created in a weird way
[07:15] <emir> @geirha I have no idea how that happened... did I mentioned that I'm on linux mint mate
[07:16] <geirha> Oh, this channel is for Ubuntu support
[07:16] <mandabajuhitam> oh come on!!! why you didn't see my text
[07:17] <emir> well I'm thinking is the same thing at the end :)
[07:17] <agent_wh1te> Night folks!
[07:17] <geirha> mandabajuhitam: I see you, but don't understand your question.
[07:18] <geirha> !mint | emir
[07:18] <emir> ok thanks
[07:21] <geirha> !pm | mandabajuhitam
[07:21] <mandabajuhitam> do you know some DDOS tools for ubuntu?
[07:21] <ikonia> mandabajuhitam: not something appropritar for this channel
[07:22] <ikonia> appropriate
[07:23] <mandabajuhitam> ok @ikonia
[07:23] <ikonia> thanks
[07:23] <mandabajuhitam> you're wellcome
[07:23] <jasabelle> im trying to set up my scanner with SANE but i dont know where to start: all these guidesaretalking about inetd xinetd?
[07:24] <ikonia> jasabelle: you can use inetd and xinetd
[07:24] <jasabelle> orr? (im on ubuntu server)
[07:26] <mandabajuhitam> who knows the channel abouts of opnewblood?
[07:26] <jasabelle> i type man inetd and man xinetd and i dont have any infocome up
[07:26] <jasabelle> should i install xinetd? (i.e. sudo apt-get install xinetd)
[07:26] <jasabelle> i read somewhere it's deprecated
[07:27] <ikonia> mandabajuhitam: this channel is for ubuntu technical support only - please stick to that topic
[07:27] <Tazmain> mandabajuhitam, opnewblood here ?
[07:28] <Kartagis> my disk has reiserfs on it, but testdisk doesn't list reiserfs. any ideas what I can choose?
[07:28] <ikonia> Kartagis: you should only select the file system you are using - nothing else
[07:29] <Kartagis> ikonia: I have Intel, EFI GPT, Humax, Mac, None, Sun, Xbox
[07:29] <ikonia> Kartagis: what has that got to do with anything ?
[07:29] <ikonia> they are just random words
[07:30] <Kartagis> oh damn, it said partition table type
[07:30] <Kartagis> not filesystem
[07:30] <Kartagis> sorry for the language
[07:30] <Kartagis> ikonia: have you got an idea what partition table type I should choose?
[07:31] <jasabelle> lol coredump
[07:31] <ikonia> Kartagis: what partition table are you using.....
[07:31] <Kartagis> ikonia: no idea, how can I check?
[07:32] <ikonia> open the disk in a partition editor
[07:32] <Kartagis> like gparted? and then?
[07:34] <FuuqUmiist> honest answer, would there be an issues when upgrading from 13.10 to 14.04?
[07:34] <grahamsavage> converting flac to mp3 in ubuntu.. any ideas?
[07:34] <grahamsavage> i've tried ffmpeg and soundconverter.. both many errors out of both
[07:35] <jasabelle> is inetd/xinetd deprecated in ubuntu 12.04.4 lts?
[07:35] <jasabelle> (server)
[07:36] <PRC_Boy> 大家好
[07:37] <Kartagis> !cn | PRC_Boy
[07:37] <grahamsavage> I like big houses
[07:37] <ikonia> grahamsavage: that is nothing to do with this channel
[07:38] <ikonia> grahamsavage: please check this channels topic
[07:38] <grahamsavage> ikonia: context
[07:38] <ikonia> grahamsavage: no
[07:46] <jasabelle> so are the packages the ubuntu installer offers to install after OS installation the versions which are tested as being stable wiyth the LTS release?
[07:47] <jasabelle> (as oppoesd to the apt-get ones, which are newer but not neccessarily more stable)
[07:53] <akiva-mobile> is ubuntu theming recommended? I notice that you can't really import themes anymore,
[07:53] <jotaj> hello
[07:53] <jotaj> i have one answer about "be ubuntu mirror"
[07:53] <akiva-mobile> I wanted to get a sublime text theming.
[07:53] <akiva-mobile> jotaj, be ubuntu mirror?
[07:53] <jotaj> i need to config what i want to download from ubuntu
[07:54] <jotaj> i need to restrict betas etc
[07:54] <akiva-mobile> jotaj, you have a question, or an answer?
[07:54] <jotaj> question XD sorry
[07:54] <akiva-mobile> ah
[07:55] <akiva-mobile> jotaj, is english your first language?
[07:55] <akiva-mobile> jotaj, just asking, because there may be an ubuntu channel which you can speak natively.
[07:56] <jnhghy> How do I install google chrome stable on my ubuntu 12.04? I've checked with uname -a and it outputed: Linux any-945GCMX-S2 3.2.0-24-generic-pae #37-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 25 10:47:59 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[07:56] <akiva-mobile> jnhghy, google chrome, or Chromium?
[07:57] <jnhghy> chrome
[07:57] <akiva-mobile> hummmm, why not chromium ?
[07:57] <jnhghy> akiva-mobile: ubuntu doesn't support chrome?
[07:58] <akiva-mobile> jnhghy, you can get anything to run on ubuntu
[07:58] <akiva-mobile> from what I understand, chromium would be better, but  :P
[07:59] <jnhghy> akiva-mobile: well I tired chromium like 1 year ago and didn't liked it ... and would like to use chrome ... but I'm having trouble installing it ...
[07:59] <akiva-mobile> jnhghy, okay; fair enough.
[08:00] <akiva-mobile> might want to try chromium again, although im not sure if its updated on 12.04
[08:02] <grahamsavage> i'm looking for a programming to rename files.. something simple like replace /.*(\d\d).*/ with \1    I've tried 5 applications now
[08:02] <grahamsavage> none of them seem to support this.. id like somethign with a preview mode
[08:02] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, uhmm so you have a bunch of files that need renaming?
[08:02] <grahamsavage> i can do it using sed / or perl but i'd prefer not too
[08:02] <wsnipex> sed
[08:02] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, oh well I was going to suggest python. :P
[08:03] <wsnipex> or bash directly
[08:03] <akiva-mobile> ^
[08:03] <grahamsavage> wsnipix: yeah i do it all the time so i'd like one where i can preview the output
[08:04] <akiva-mobile> grahamsavage, want to pay me? I'll make you a python script that does that  :P
[08:04] <wsnipex> make a script thats accepts  a switch for preview
[08:04] <somsip> grahamsavage: does this point you in a helpful direction? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15380205/rename-multiple-files-in-bash
[08:07] <grahamsavage> ohhhh
[08:07] <grahamsavage> rename -n 's/.*(\d\d).*/1x$1.mp3/
[08:07] <grahamsavage> very nice :D
[08:08] <somsip> grahamsavage: I won't vouch for the validity of what you've just suggested, but a test on a sample of files should give you a good enough test
[08:08] <grahamsavage> yeah it works great
[08:08] <somsip> grahamsavage: cool
[08:08] <grahamsavage> and the -n is a preview
[08:09] <grahamsavage> lol.. all the gui apps were a waste of time
[08:10] <geirha> Just note that rename is not a standard command and that several different commands by that name exist. For instance, that command won't work on a redhat system, since it has a different rename command installed by default.
[08:12] <cateract> Hey I"m trying to share my laptop wifi with my android device,
[08:13] <cateract> I found that it can be done using hostapd
[08:13] <cateract> but I could not connect using hostapd, it gives error
[08:14] <cateract> like ""Failed to update rate sets in kernel module""
[08:14] <cateract> and "could not connect to kernel driver"
[08:15] <cateract> and at last "Failed to set beacon parameters"
[08:15] <cateract> How do i overcome this error
[08:17] <jnhghy> what is the chromium package name to be used with apt-get in ubuntu 12.04? I tried chromium-bsu but the mirror seems to be down any other package?
[08:19] <somsip> !info chromium-browser precise
[08:23] <banana_> sup
[08:23] <Tazmain> hi all, can I do a do-release-upgrade over ssh ?
[08:24] <jnhghy> why do I get : W: Failed to fetch http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/restricted/binary-i386/Packages  403  Forbidden
[08:24] <jnhghy>  on apt-get update?
[08:25] <ilhami> hey
[08:25] <ilhami> I cant login
[08:25] <ilhami> I cant get past login screen!!!!
[08:25] <DJones> Tazmain: You can, although the system will warn you against doing it because you may lose connection due to some updates causing a disconnect
[08:25] <ilhami> what do I do?
[08:26] <DJones> Tazmain: If the machine isn't local to you, if you do get disconnected, potentially you could find yourself unable to regain access to the machine being updated
[08:26] <somsip> jnhghy: It's Packages.bz2 or Packages.gz http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/restricted/binary-i386/
[08:26] <somsip> jnhghy: oh..on apt-get update. Didn't see that
[08:31] <Tazmain> DJones, well there is a rescue console they provide. Would you recommned upgrading to 13.10 ?
[08:32] <DJones> Tazmain: Are you on 13.04? If so yes, 13.04 is end of life anyway so you won't be getting security/bug fix updates
[08:32] <Oorp> Ubuntu can't execute .c files in an NTFS partition??
[08:32] <Tazmain> DJones, yea on 13.04 , minimal install
[08:33] <DJones> Tazmain: In that case I'd update to make sure you've got security updates
[08:36] <karthick> hi
[08:36] <Tazmain> DJones, I still don't why they would install ubuntu-raring-minial on a server but oh well.
[08:36] <Guest13224> ji
[08:37] <Guest13224> hello
[08:37] <DJones> Tazmain: Yeah, you'd think they'd install the server release
[08:37] <Ben64> how can you tell the difference between server and minimal
[08:38] <Guest13224> is there any way to install skype in ubuntu
[08:38] <Tazmain> DJones, yup whats worse, is that I have vncserver install but I cant get xorg up
[08:38] <DJones> !skype | Guest13224
[08:38] <Guest13224> thanks
[08:38] <Oorp> Guest13224: You v=can go to Skype's website and download the deb files...
[08:38] <Ben64> Tazmain: a server doesn't really need xorg or graphics or anything, ssh is good
[08:39] <Oorp> Guest13224: Follow ubottu's instructions!!
[08:39] <makara> are there any good blogs or pundits who talk about the line between Windows and Unix systems?
[08:39] <makara> it seems that usually someone is on one side or the other
[08:39] <Guest13224> try geekstuff.com
[08:39] <Tazmain> Ben64, yes true, but windows ppl here they need a GUI.
[08:40] <makara> Guest13224, site is down for maintenance :(
[08:40] <Ben64> Tazmain: gui to open up config files? its pointless and less secure
[08:41] <Tazmain> Ben64, no to setup backup options and configure other services
[08:41] <Ben64> which is all text, so why does it need to be sent as an image
[08:41] <Tazmain> Ben64, don't ask me , i did not argue at this point
[08:42] <Tazmain> But using snyaptic is quicker than searchig the cache for a package
[08:42] <Ben64> if you want windows server, get windows server. if you want linux server, use it properly. vnc is not secure.
[08:42] <bddy> Hello. How do I update from Ubuntu 12.04 to 13.10 ? It proposes 14.04 which is still alpha, but I want 13.10
[08:42] <bddy> (it = update-manager -d)
[08:42]  * QuinnStorm honestly thinks that having guis is good but that not having a good quickstart guide to the unix basics is a big problem for people switching to linux, its important to understand *why* this system is what it is
[08:42] <Tazmain> Ben64, wel wont use vnc, will use remmina.
[08:43] <Ben64> remmina is a vnc client (among other things)
[08:44] <Ben64> bddy: 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10, but 13.04 is EOL and 12.10 will be soon, 13.10 EOL is in only 4 months, you should really just wait for 14.04
[08:44] <Tazmain> Ben64, well currently its on a need to use start only
[08:45] <bddy> Ben64: So, there is no way to upgrade to anything newer than 12.04 but not 14.04?
[08:45] <Ben64> bddy: what do you have against 14.04? its the next LTS version
[08:45] <bddy> Ben64: The upgrade window says that this is still alpha
[08:45] <Tazmain> well can't you upgrade to 13.10 and then 14.04 ?
[08:46] <Ben64> bddy: well yeah, but if you wait a month it will be released
[08:46] <bddy> Ben64: But I need to upgrade immediately, that's the problem :(
[08:46] <Ben64> why need?
[08:46] <bddy> Because there is no awesome 3.5.2 for 12.04
[08:47] <bddy> And I can't work outside anything except awesome
[08:48] <Ben64> sounds more like "want" than need. and 3.5.2 isn't on 13.10 either
[08:48] <bddy> Tazmain: Hey, you said "can't you upgrade to 13.10", I wish, I could, is this possible with update-manager or maybe there is another command?
[08:49] <bddy> Ben64: Well, there are ppa-s for 13.10
[08:49] <Tazmain> Ben64, do you know how to start lightdm manually for a second xserver , in the case of vnc ?
[08:50] <oppous> err, is there a way to change root password without knowing it?  i know i can add few lines while booting and then change, but when i press shift while booting, my computer goes in a bootloop
[08:50] <Ben64> Tazmain: i doubt that is what you want to do. vnc servers can start their own x screens
[08:50] <Ben64> !root | oppous
[08:51] <Tazmain> Ben64, yeah I know but I keep getting failed to start session "gnome" and Ihave xbuntu installed
[08:51] <oppous> Ben64: my user is not in sudoers
[08:51] <oppous> Ben64: ^
[08:51] <Ben64> oppous: well what are you actually trying to accomplish
[08:52] <Ben64> Tazmain: just start the vnc server
[08:52] <oppous> root password on my machine was changed, i dont know what it is now
[08:52] <Tazmain> Ben64, does not work, I log into it and get that error
[08:52] <Ben64> Tazmain: i'd also suggest having it listen on 127.0.0.1 only, and use a ssh tunnel to connect
[08:52] <Ben64> Tazmain: you're going to need to give a lot more details than that
[08:53] <Ben64> oppous: you shouldn't have had a root password. again, what are you trying to accomplish?
[08:53] <oppous> i change my passowrds on a weekly basis, just as a failsafe i have a file which i gpg. i lost that gpg file. so..
[08:53] <oppous> Ben64: ^
[08:53] <Tazmain> Ben64, like I said I start vncserver log into it, and all I see if could not start session " gnome"
[08:54] <Ben64> Tazmain: ok, you're still not giving enough info. "start vncserver log into it" <--- explain that much better
[08:55] <bddy> Is it possible to install a package from PPA that is for another version?
[08:55] <oppous> Ben64: i removed my current user from sudoers because im not the only one who uses this computer. this is a family computer basicallty.
[08:56] <Ben64> oppous: ok... and so what are you trying to accomplish? and what version of ubuntu? and you know, thats why you can create multiple accounts. one for you with sudo, one for family without
[08:56] <Tazmain> Ben64, in the log the only error i see is xrdb: can't open file '/root/.Xresources'
[08:56] <Ben64> Tazmain: don't run vnc as root...
[08:57] <Tazmain> Ben64, there is no other user currently lol
[08:58] <oppous> Ben64: need to get root access. need rood priviliges to execute tasks. i know. i usually login into root and finish my work. other account is for familty
[08:58] <oppous> Ben64: need to install new packages basically
[08:59] <Ben64> oppous: thats not really a good idea. you shouldn't be logging in to root at all. anyway, you can reset it from the recovery mode
[08:59] <ale9392> Hey guys, im using Ubuntu and Im getting the following SSL error:
[08:59] <ale9392> The certificate is only valid for the following names: ssl6799.cloudflare.com , *.locopengu.com , *.relationship-builder.net , *.wimdu.rs , *.workr.co.nz , locopengu.com , relationship-builder.net , wimdu.rs , workr.co.nz (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)
[08:59] <ale9392> Any idea what's going on?
[08:59] <ale9392> Other people I know that use the site arent getting it
[08:59] <ale9392> but i am, so could it be that I have misconfigured something?
[09:00] <oppous> Ben64: i  know that. lol but when i press shift while booting i go into a bootloop. then i have to shutdown the machine and restart after 5mins or something and then i can boot normally
[09:00] <Ben64> oppous: thats not normal at all. if you can't get to grub then i don't know what to suggest for you
[09:02] <oppous> Ben64: i read online that i can get root exploits. can't find any exploit for my computer. Linux HomePC 3.8.0-29-generic #42~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 14 15:31:16 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[09:02] <oppous> uname -a ^
[09:07] <Sireorion> Hi... Im a swedish dude.... I have som probs with ubuntu
[09:08] <Sireorion> so dont be hard on my spelling or grammer
[09:09] <Sireorion> UEFI is an secure boot for WIN8. .. And its makes all s*it with the install
[09:09] <Sireorion> i need an dual boot with win 8 and ubuntu
[09:09]  * Sireorion throws an granade in the chat so everybody wakes up
[09:10] <Sireorion> i guess all of u are sleepin
[09:12] <Sireorion> hello????
[09:12] <bazhang> !uefi | Sireorion
[09:12] <DJones> Sireorion: Just be patient, if you don't get a response, I'd repeat the question in about 10-15 minutes
[09:13] <Sireorion> ok
[09:13] <Sireorion> bazhang: : i have been reading that.. But i feel so stupid when i dont understand it
[09:13] <Sireorion> :S
[09:13] <DJones> Sireorion: Probably worth explaining the issue in a bit more detail though, what the problem you're getting is etc
[09:14] <Sireorion> Okey.. its like this.. I have been dl the ubuntu and maked an bootble usb..
[09:14] <Sireorion> but it cant even start the boot
[09:15] <closingin> ubottu: uefi is a type of bios.
[09:15] <closingin> Not a replacement.
[09:15] <Sireorion> but are the UEFI compatible with ubuntu?
[09:15] <closingin> Sireorion: This is not ubuntu based, it depends of grub
[09:16] <closingin> But as for know, yes it is supported, you just have to install grub efi packages
[09:16] <Sireorion> and does it find my windows startup post ?
[09:17] <closingin> Sireorion: You're friendly with grub ?
[09:17] <Sireorion> it have allways been installed automaticly when i have installed ubuntu in the past
[09:18] <DJones> Sireorion: I've only done one uefi install (and that has only been with the development release of Ubuntu), but that installed perfectly in dual boot with windows
[09:19] <Sireorion> DJones: how did u do it?
[09:20] <closingin> Sireorion: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB_EFI_Examples
[09:20] <DJones> Sireorion: I just created a live usb & booted up with it and installed from that, does the usb stick boot up at all?
[09:21] <Sireorion> no.. can it be that i have wrong version of ubuntu?
[09:22] <DJones> Sireorion: Have you installed ubuntu on this computer before, also, have you enabled usb boot in bios?
[09:23] <Sireorion> No not on this one... its a new laptop
[09:23] <Sireorion> Acer E1-571
[09:24] <DJones> Sireorion: Right, you'll need to make sure that the computer can boot from USB first, I'm not really familiar with uefi/bios but its probably a setting in the bios
[09:25] <Sireorion> DJones: ill start up my other laptop so i can talk to u at the same time
[09:28] <Sireorion> DJones: ill be back in 2 min
[09:29] <linux_> hi everybody. I have a funny problem. ubuntu cant see my wireless modem connection while it can see other wireless connections. meanwhile my mobile and windows and other systems can see my  wireless modem connection
[09:30] <linux_> could anybody help plz?
[09:30] <Sireorion_> DJones: im back
[09:30] <linux_> hi everybody. I have a funny problem. ubuntu cant see my wireless modem connection while it can see other wireless connections. meanwhile my mobile and windows and other systems can see my  wireless modem connection. could anybody help me plz?
[09:34] <naftilos76> hightall, i have a problem with netbeans in ubuntu. Even though i can switch fine between languages Greek and English all around ubuntu, i can not do that in Netbeans. Can anybody help?
[09:37] <linux_> hi everybody. I have a funny problem. ubuntu cant see my wireless modem connection while it can see other wireless connections. meanwhile my mobile and windows and other systems can see my  wireless modem connection. could anybody help me plz?
[09:40] <esperegu_> anyone knows how what 'start on' I can use in upstart to start a program after audio and network etc is all started?
[09:43] <linux_> hi everybody. I have a funny problem. ubuntu cant see my wireless modem connection while it can see other wireless connections. meanwhile my mobile and windows and other systems can see my  wireless modem connection. could anybody help me plz?
[09:48] <Tazmain> hi all, I am having some issue with my ubuntu-raring-minimal if I launch a vncserver and connect to it I keep getting failed to start session "gnome" logout. I have xubuntu installed though
[09:50] <geirha> !raring | Tazmain
[09:50] <Tazmain> geirha, I will upgrade as soon as I get this working, since I am doing it over ssh.
[09:51] <Tazmain> geirha, so I can't upgrade just yet.
[09:51] <linux_> hi everybody. I have a funny problem. ubuntu cant see my wireless modem connection while it can see other wireless connections. meanwhile my mobile and windows and other systems can see my  wireless modem connection. could anybody help me plz?
[09:52] <dt002> g
[09:56] <cloneG> hello when trying to install performous from its website I get this message: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=68522
[09:56] <cloneG> how do I choose gdebi from my system?
[09:57] <ciro_> sole a catinelle
[09:57] <bazhang> !info performous | cloneG
[09:58] <bazhang> cloneG, install from repos
[10:00] <linux_> hi everybody. I have a funny problem. ubuntu cant see my wireless modem connection while it can see other wireless connections. meanwhile my mobile and windows and other systems can see my  wireless modem connection. could anybody help me plz?
[10:03] <cloneG> barzhang not latest version from there
[10:03] <Welastevil> hi everyone!
[10:04] <Welastevil> someone from Brasil?
[10:04] <DJones> Welastevil: There probably are people from Brazil here, there's also #ubuntu-br which is the dedicated channel for the country
[10:08] <saed> ask for a cloak how do you get it?
[10:09] <DJones> !cloak | saed
[10:11] <linux_> hi everybody. I have a funny problem. ubuntu cant see my wireless modem connection while it can see other wireless connections. meanwhile my mobile and windows and other systems can see my  wireless modem connection. could anybody help me plz?
[10:12] <pango24> hello
[10:16] <iFire> does anyone with ubuntu and hd3000 tell me what this opengl version is
[10:16] <iFire> their*
[10:17] <Sireorion_> if i have an 64 bit cpu. is it amd64 iso file i should download?
[10:18] <llutz> Sireorion_: yes
[10:18] <Sireorion_> llutz: but i dont have an amd cpu :S
[10:18] <Sireorion_> i5 64bit cpu
[10:18] <llutz> Sireorion_: its ok for intel except ia64 too
[10:19] <llutz> Sireorion_: amd just was the first with the 64bit extension, so the confusing name
[10:19] <Sireorion_> aaah ok.... :)
[10:20] <Sireorion_> is 13 ok?
[10:22] <bazhang> i3?
[10:23] <Sireorion_> no ubuntu 13
[10:23] <bazhang> 13.10 sure
[10:23] <bazhang> or wait til next month, the 17th and get the LTS 14.04
[10:24] <Sireorion_> ok. ill do that
[10:33] <ljsoftnet> how do i mount usb flash drive as root?
[10:33] <MrQuist> sudo mount
[10:33]  * cfhowlett wonders what issue that would solve ...
[10:45] <ilhami2> Hey
[10:45] <ilhami2> anybody here?
[10:45] <ilhami2> Connection doesnt work :S
[10:45] <cfhowlett> ilhami, state your ubuntu questions
[10:45] <ilhami2> I cannot connect from my windows host to my ubuntu guest VM.
[10:46] <ilhami2> No bridging
[10:46] <cfhowlett> ilhami, virtualbox?
[10:46] <ilhami2> Hyper-V
[10:46] <cfhowlett> ilhami, over my head.  if there's a hyper-v channel/forum, you might want to check in there
[10:47] <ilhami2> if anyone can help  I would appreciate it
[10:47] <sofaki> hello does anyone knows how can i change my IP adress using proxy (not on my browser)
[10:47] <ilhami2> I dont see any :)
[10:47] <tsilis> hello everyone , i wanted some help with samba and public share between ubuntu 13 and multiple windows machines (xp , 7)
[10:48] <tsilis> can anyone help?
[10:48] <cfhowlett> ilhami2, hyper-v appears to be a windows product.  ask there
[10:48] <sofaki> hello does anyone knows how can i change my IP adress using proxy (not on my browser)
[10:48] <cfhowlett> !patience|sofaki,
[10:49] <akiva-mobile> derklork, hey
[10:49] <akiva-mobile> derklork, are you using firefox?
[10:49] <akiva-mobile> oh wait
[10:49] <akiva-mobile> not on your browser :P
[10:55] <Sireorion_> how should i partionate my 150 gb hd for 10.04?
[10:56] <rannonga> why are you using an eol release?
[10:58] <z8z> good question
[10:58] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, you should not.  use 12.04
[10:58] <z8z> or wait for 14.04
[10:59] <z8z> just 1 month
[11:01] <wasanzy> hi
[11:02] <wasanzy> when I do uname -a, the output: 3.2.0-40-generic-pae #64-Ubuntu does it mean it is 64bit ununtu?
[11:02] <DrFoo> Is it normal to have a wifi card come up as eth2?
[11:02] <cfhowlett> wasanzy, it does
[11:02] <wasanzy> ok
[11:03] <Sireorion_> cfhowlett: i meant 12.04
[11:03] <cfhowlett> wasanzy, have you upgraded recently?  i've got 3.2.0-60 ...
[11:03] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, ubuntu only on your computer?
[11:05] <Sireorion_> yeap
[11:05] <Sireorion_> no no no win8 also
[11:06] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, personally I split 50/50 for ubuntu/windows.  then I put 10 gigs for /    2 X ram for swap and the rest in a dedicated /home
[11:06] <cfhowlett> !YMMV
[11:07] <Sireorion_> !wfm
[11:07] <Sireorion_> !grub2
[11:08] <munchausun> why you know it ? sireorion
[11:08] <Sireorion_> know what?
[11:08] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, I should also mention I run win7
[11:09] <Sireorion_> cfhowlett: ok. with an normal pc without UEFI?
[11:09] <munchausun> about no no no win8
[11:09] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, right.  I've not yet had the pleasure of uefi
[11:10] <Sireorion_> i have maked it start now with liveusb
[11:10] <Sireorion_> and installing it while we talk
[11:10] <DrFoo> Where can I find the b43 wireless driver?
[11:10] <cfhowlett> !uefi|Sireorion_,
[11:10] <cfhowlett> !broadcom|DrFoo,
[11:11] <Sireorion_> i hope not win8 chrashes now
[11:15] <tsilis> hello everyone , i wanted some help with samba and public share between ubuntu 13 and multiple windows machines (xp , 7)
[11:18] <g105b> In 13.10 what's the recommended way to restart the display of Unity/Compiz when things start to look a bit unhealthy? I'd rather not reboot because of the work I'm doing.
[11:22] <Sireorion_> !terminal
[11:25] <derklork> can someone help me with proxy?
[11:27] <biaxs> http://xdcc_CANCEL_X1395227298
[11:27] <biaxs> xdcc_CANCEL_X1395227298
[11:33] <Sireorion_> cfhowlett: i maked it work
[11:34] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, sweet!  congratulations!  14.04 will arrive next month.  Personally I only install LTS
[11:34] <Sireorion_> cfhowlett: canijust update it or do i need to do a new installation?
[11:35] <rommel> isnt ubuntu looking at going to a rolling release
[11:35] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, direct upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 if you set upgrade to "LTS only"
[11:35] <DJones> rommel: It was considered, but not planned at the moment
[11:36] <Sireorion_> cfhowlett: how doi do that?
[11:36] <rommel> Sireorion_, it will ask you on the installation media
[11:37] <rommel> DJones, whats the length of support on 14.04 3 or 5 yrs
[11:37] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, system>update manager>software sources>updates>Notify me of a new Ubuntu version: for long-term support versions
[11:37] <tracyone> 5
[11:37] <DJones> rommel: 14.04 is LTS so will be 5 years
[11:37] <rommel> nice
[11:37] <Sireorion_> cfhowlett: tnxm8
[11:38] <cfhowlett> Sireorion_, enjoy.
[11:38] <rommel> so what does that mean then for mir ... is it out of the picture for at least 5 yrs
[11:39] <DJones> rommel: It'll probably just arrive in one of the interim releases, maybe 14.10 or 15.04
[11:40] <cfhowlett> !mir
[11:40] <cfhowlett> well that factoid needs to be updated - no mir in 14.04.
[11:41] <kongthap> hi is it possible to start another instance of apache2 using -f ?, so apache will load a custom config file
[11:42] <rommel> yeah i think 14.04 isnt seeing that or shell 8
[11:42] <tracyone> does vga drivers need to be updated  after ubuntu use mir as display server
[11:42] <rommel> the tablet and mobile device thing are dragging out a bit too
[11:44] <biaxs> hxdcc_CANCEL_X1395227335
[11:44] <biaxs> xdcc_CANCEL_X1395227335
[11:45] <DJones> biaxs: This is Ubuntu support, do you have a support issue?
[11:45] <sireorion> cfhowlett, where is system ?
[11:45] <rommel> his keyboard is stuck on repeat
[11:46] <rommel> sireorion, software update i think he was talking about
[11:46] <rommel> you can do it from an iso too
[11:46] <cfhowlett> rommel, help him out - he needs to set updates to LTS only
[11:46] <cfhowlett> sireorion, I'm on xubuntu so a bit different
[11:46] <rommel> hell i'm on ubuntu-gnome
[11:46] <rommel> lol
[11:47] <rommel> and i have only used it a week
[11:47] <sireorion> cfhowlett, okey... its not the same
[11:47] <sireorion> bye sireorion_ =)
[11:47] <cfhowlett> sireorion, if you can find update manager, you'll get it
[11:48] <sireorion> ok'
[11:50] <etrope> holas
[11:50] <cfhowlett> !es|etrope,
[11:50] <rommel> yeah look for updates on this its a tab then at the options. iam on 13.04 so i get no update. but as a lts if all else fails you can update lts to lts from an iso.
[11:50] <etrope> I know
[11:50] <etrope> thanx
[11:52] <eide> any new info on the heap overflow in Nginx (CVE-2014-0133)?
[11:58] <Osmodivs> Hello. I am trying to make Gkrellm use mbmon to check voltages in my Mobo, but it ask me to input a port number, how do I know what are my ports?
[11:58] <wasanzy> cfhowlett: no I haven't upgraded
[11:59] <cfhowlett> wasanzy, OK then
[12:00] <wasanzy> i386 signifies 32-bit?
[12:00] <wasanzy> I mean a package
[12:00] <eide> nevermind, I just read that Debian and Ubuntu are not affected by the Nginx vulnerability
[12:01] <cfhowlett> eide, check the sources ...
[12:01] <cfhowlett> !nginx
[12:05] <miraiE> where can I ask about packaging DEB?
[12:05] <cfhowlett> !packaging|miraiE,
[12:12] <Osmodivs> Hello. I am trying to make Gkrellm use mbmon to check voltages in my Mobo, but it ask me to input a port number, how do I know what are my ports?
[12:12] <ssahai> \join #sagemath
[12:12] <Osmodivs> ssahai, / insread of \
[12:12] <alumno__> :):)
[12:16] <IamTrying> Ubuntu 13.10 - i am getting this error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:16] <IamTrying> how can i fix it?
[12:18] <Tazmain> Hi all if I setup ssh to forward x, will I see the whole desktop then ?
[12:18] <tracyone> add your library'path to  LD_LIBRARY_PATH  variable
[12:19] <rypervenche> Tazmain: Nope, only what you manually run from the terminal. You'll want something like VNC to see the entire desktop.
[12:21] <Tazmain> rypervenche, I have vncserver installed, but when I connect to it , its blank -.-
[12:21] <IamTrying> Why am i getting this? error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:21] <rypervenche> Tazmain: What VNC client are you using?
[12:21] <haniiiiiii> help http://im83.gulfup.com/DXOlv.png
[12:22] <DJones> !kali | haniiiiiii
[12:22] <Tazmain> rypervenche, tightvnc
[12:22] <rypervenche> Tazmain: Give Remmina a shot for the client.
[12:22] <Tazmain> rypervenche, I would, but I can't find how to start nd install it via cli only
[12:23] <rypervenche> Tazmain: You don't need to do it from the command line.
[12:23] <rypervenche> Tazmain: There is no SSH involved here, unless you need to securely tunnel the VNC traffic over SSH
[12:23] <Tazmain> rypervenche, well I have a remote desktop to this server with a really slow client, jviewer, its terrbile, but I can ssh into it.
[12:24] <rypervenche> Tazmain: PM
[12:24] <Tazmain> sure
[12:28] <luciobadtaste> ATTENZIONE: Non e' stata intercettata la versione originale di lynx.
[12:28] <luciobadtaste> Questo script e' in grado di funzionare sono con lynx e non links2.
[12:34] <anon1> hello can anyone tell me how can i change my ip adress BUT NOT only on my browser
[12:35] <rypervenche> anon1: Why do you need to change it?
[12:35] <OerHeks> anon1, you can order your router to give your pc ( macadress) an IP, or program a hard IP in your networkmanager
[12:36] <anon1> rypervenche: why you care?
[12:36] <mows0> I think he wants some kind of VPN to do illegal stuff :p
[12:36] <anon1> OerHeks: -_-
[12:36] <anon1> thats not ur bussiness...
[12:36] <OerHeks> anon1, but your 'outside/public IP´ will be the same
[12:36] <rypervenche> anon1: Because it will change my answer depending on your response. Good luck getting an answer from me now.
[12:37] <anon1> rypervenche: its all about my PERSONAL INFORMATION SECURITY...
[12:37] <rypervenche> OerHeks: I think he meant WAN IP.
[12:37] <anon1> rypervenche: if i wanted to do something bad i wont search for it here...
[12:38] <OerHeks> rypervenche, that came in my mind too
[12:39] <haniiiiiii> help http://im83.gulfup.com/DXOlv.png
[12:39]  * digitalvaldosta says hello
[12:39] <OerHeks> !rootirc | haniiiiiii
[12:39] <OerHeks> haniiiiiii, we do not support kali
[12:40] <DJones> haniiiiiii: This channel only supports Ubuntu
[12:40] <mows0> haniiiiiii, you have duplicate entries in sources.list
[12:40] <OerHeks> !kali
[12:40] <haniiiiiii> ok
[12:40]  * digitalvaldosta is wondering if anyone knows why my lamp server doesn't show styling to peer devices? Only on localhost. ** Thanks for your help ** :-)
[12:41] <cfhowlett> !kali|haniiiiiii,
[12:41] <cfhowlett> haniiiiiii, kali is not supported on #ubuntu irc
[12:43] <sirius_> olaaç
[12:43] <romeo> bonjour
[12:45] <digitalvaldosta> has anyone experienced my issue? Peer devices on network dont show styling. Only showing text and images as if I didn't apply styling. I am designing a wordpress theme on my server. It does display correctly on localhost/ and http://ipaddress
[12:46] <digitalvaldosta> I am "obviously" running a LAMP stack
[12:49] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, external css file?
[12:50] <digitalvaldosta> #mows yes not inline styling
[12:50] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, ah, wordpress. should be a file permission problem.
[12:50] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, devices except localhost can not access the css file
[12:50] <digitalvaldosta> mows0 I have tried giving that a try. Gave 755, 644, 777 and no luck
[12:51] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, check .htaccess files
[12:51] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, try to open the css file directly from a browser _not_ on localhost. If it fails, it could possibly be a .htaccess issue
[12:52] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, I don't know much about wordpress though
[12:53] <digitalvaldosta> mows0, I don't think that wordpress is the issue. I have the phpinfo test page setup to test from other machines and same thing.
[12:54] <digitalvaldosta> mows0 did you mean the permissions on htaccess?
[12:54] <digitalvaldosta> because i have tried that as well
[12:54] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, that means phpinfo() is also not "styled" on any devices except localhost?
[12:54] <digitalvaldosta> mows0 correct
[12:54] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, ok that's weird
[12:56] <digitalvaldosta> mows0 when i attempt to view the webpage on other devices I type http://192.168.0.107/AMFM (IP of server/directoryofSITE)
[12:56] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, any error messages in apache log?
[12:57] <zetheroo1> j
[13:00] <emr> Hello i can't able to sync date, port is blocking somehow, ufw disabled, iptables resetted
[13:01] <digitalvaldosta> sorry mows0. I remembered incorrectly. Just tried my phpinfo() index.php again and it does display correctly. I will try checking the htaccess permissions again.
[13:03] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, no prob. also check admin -> options -> URI settings in your wordpress installation. If it's set to "localhost", you know what's wrong ;)
[13:03] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, http://wordpress.org/support/topic/css-not-loading-on-remote-web-client
[13:04] <digitalvaldosta> mows0, ok I will. Thanks
[13:05] <Slart> emr: how did you try to sync your date?
[13:06] <tagesge> sorry
[13:07] <emr> Slart, yes, re-installing
[13:07] <emr> thanks
[13:08] <digitalvaldosta> mows0, ok got a (probably n00b. lol) question. Where is admin -> options? it this in phpmyadmin or under system settings?
[13:08] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, it's in your wordpress settings
[13:09] <digitalvaldosta> mows0 yeah just noticed that when I looked at the link you gave. lol
[13:10] <mows0> digitalvaldosta, I never really used it so I don't know how the admin panel looks like
[13:10] <digitalvaldosta> mows0, guess I'll attempt to setup virtualhost so that I don't have to insert an ip in the admin. (this will be second time attempting virtualhost)
[13:16] <daum> hey guys i'm trying to do an update but it fails because it tries to remove brscan first, however removing brscan fails due to missing folders.  Any suggestions on how to remove brscan from the system?
[13:17] <mows0> daum, apt-get -f install ?
[13:17] <stanley_> join #logstash
[13:18] <daum> mows0, http://pastie.org/8950424
[13:20] <mows0> daum, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+question/199524
[13:20] <daum> ha yep just did that actually thanks!
[13:31] <bumbar> a while ago i was playing with terminal colors for git diff, and now it's come back to haunt me; on man pages i can't see options, if i highlight them they're just black boxes
[13:32] <troulouliou_dev> hi i have set my user to ww-data group and i ve set write permission for group on /var/www however i can't save a file with my user under this folder ?
[13:32] <cfhowlett> bumbar, which terminal?
[13:33] <bumbar> cfhowlett, default one? one that comes with 13.10, i'm not sure how to answer that
[13:33] <mows0> troulouliou_dev, is your user member of the group www-data? is /var/www writable by the group www-data?
[13:34] <mows0> troulouliou_dev, ah nevermind...
[13:34] <cfhowlett> bumbar, for instance, xubuntu has xfce terminal - anyway, there should be a reset settings option in your preferences.
[13:34] <troulouliou_dev> mows0, yes i set it up
[13:34] <LucidGuy> Regarding nscd, does anyone recommend it? or recommend not to use it?
[13:35] <dwarder> is there a way to easy install latest stable LAMP with 13.10 ubuntu?
[13:36] <cfhowlett> !lamp
[13:36] <dwarder> cfhowlett: so?
[13:37] <cfhowlett> dwarder, "for help with setting up LAMP ..." answers your question.
[13:37] <dwarder> cfhowlett: have you read my question?
[13:37] <mows0> troulouliou_dev, did you log out and log back in with your user?
[13:38] <ice9> how to know th maximum supported resolution?
[13:38] <troulouliou_dev> mows0, ha no but i momently changed the /var/ww group to my group :)
[13:38] <troulouliou_dev> ice9, xrandr
[13:38] <bumbar> cfhowlett, found it, thanks - bold color was set to same color as background
[13:39] <__Roey> Hey all, anyone here do crontab much?  I have two scripts I made for snapshotting and backing up, and I am trying to figure out how to collect their output.  Right now I get this in /var/log/syslog: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ec1ecef7e9eb51cf24df
[13:39] <usr13> troulouliou_dev: I have a different way of doint it that solves this problem and to me it is simplier.
[13:39] <Kamil__> hello
[13:39] <mows0> troulouliou_dev, a common error ist to use "chmod g+rw /var/www/*" instead of "chmod g+rw /var/www"
[13:39] <troulouliou_dev> usr13, how ?
[13:40] <grousey> dwarder: can't you install lamp using sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[13:40] <troulouliou_dev> mows0, yes did that i think the error is specific to my editor (gedit)
[13:40] <dwarder> grousey: realy can't i?
[13:40] <usr13> troulouliou_dev: Just place the files in /home/user-name-here/public_html and symlink them  i.e.  ln -s /home/uer/public_html /var/www/site1
[13:41] <troulouliou_dev> usr13, ha yeah good hint :)
[13:41] <grousey> dwarder: ?
[13:41] <Kamil__> I have ubuntu 13.10 in text mode, after logging in, i write these commands: startx and unity; now i am on my desktop, but only with unity panel on left. where is time, language, network-manager in right top corner? what is right command from text mode to full unity desktop?
[13:42] <usr13> troulouliou_dev: (apache follows symlinks by default)
[13:42] <usr13> troulouliou_dev: And you can have all the sites in one /home/dir or you can have separate users for them.
[13:43] <troulouliou_dev> usr13, yep got it thanks will do that far easier indead
[13:43] <usr13> troulouliou_dev: To me, it's just a more orderly way to do it, you're keeping everything that is accessed by users in /home/users
[13:43] <Kamil__> ^^ trying sudo service lightdm start
[13:43] <ljsoftnet> how do i hide grube "Welcome to Grub" message?
[13:43] <ljsoftnet> how do i hide grub "Welcome to Grub" message?
[13:46] <dwarder> are there repos with the latest stable LAMP for ubuntu 13.10
[13:46] <usr13> Kamil__: startx doesn't work for you?
[13:47] <Kamil__> usr13, startx bring me to blank desktop only with wallpaper, without unity and panels
[13:48] <usr13> Kamil__: Does sudo service lightdm start  work?
[13:48] <Kamil__> yeah, but i must type password in text mode, after that for sudo and after that to log in again :/
[13:49] <usr13> Kamil__: Is this a laptop?
[13:49] <cfhowlett> dwarder, might want to ask the server channel
[13:49] <Kamil__> usr13, yes, old acer travelmate 2410, celeron M, 512mb ram
[13:50] <usr13> Kamil__: I'm not sure why startx does not work.  (I'm an xfce user and I think that startxfce does the job.... trying to remember...)
[13:50] <dwarder> cfhowlett: ty
[13:50] <zetheroo1> suddenly this is one of the only IRC channels I can write in ... . other channels say "Cannot send to channel" ... why is this?
[13:50] <cfhowlett> Kamil__, you'll probably find the lubuntu or xubuntu run much better.  you are at the absolute minimum recommended specs
[13:50] <xtbman> zetheroo1 you need to register your nickname
[13:51] <usr13> Kamil__: What is the equivilant for startxfce4 for unity?  #I think that is the question we need to answer.
[13:51] <Kamil__> usr13, startx then unity, or unity-2d-shell i think
[13:52] <usr13> Kamil__: As cfhowlett suggests, you might consider lubuntu or xubuntu. I use xfce.
[13:52] <zetheroo1> xtbman: I have registered my username ... it's zetheroo ... but now it's appearing as zetheroo1
[13:52] <usr13> Kamil__: startx ; unity ?
[13:52] <zetheroo1> xtbman: is this because I am logged in at home too?
[13:53] <usr13> Kamil__: If it's two commands that does the job for you, you could create a simple script to execute the two commands and name it gui ...?
[13:53] <xtbman> zetheroo1 yeah you need to be using zetheroo signed in. Zetheroo1 isn't registered.
[13:53] <_2_cowgirl1694> speem english
[13:53] <Kamil__> usr13, need third command for top panel
[13:53] <usr13> Kamil__: So make it three.
[13:54] <ptman> hi! how come http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/nodejs lists libc-ares2 (>= 1.8.0) and the debian/control file in the source lists libc-ares-dev (>= 1.7.5) as a dependency?
[13:54] <Kamil__> dont know command for top pannel
[13:54] <zetheroo1>  xtbman: but I am currently using zetheroo as my username to login
[13:54] <Kamil__> cfhowlett, thanks, will think about it
[13:54] <usr13> Kamil__: What?
[13:54] <usr13> Kamil__: What top pannel?
[13:54] <Kamil__> usr13, http://wiki.ubuntu.cz/_media/unity/unity.png?w=550&tok=b44af6
[13:54] <Kamil__> top pannel with time in right top corner
[13:55] <usr13> Kamil__: I see.... well we need to find the command to start that top pannel.
[13:56] <usr13> Kamil__: Let me experiment with another ubuntu system here for a minute....
[13:57] <Kamil__> usr13, sudo service lightdm start gives me everything i need, bad think is that i must log in again, but i can live with it
[13:57] <IceD^> hey
[13:58] <IceD^> I'm trying to get minimal ubuntu desktop (w/o all this libreoffices and other useless crap), got minimal cd, installed base system, installed ubuntu-desktop w/o recommends and it's almost ok
[13:58] <usr13> Kamil__: Yea, I see the top pannel on mine now... let's fish around a bit.
[13:59] <IceD^> what I miss - is "start menu" (whatever it's called) can't look for my apps (installed ones) and I don't have any SNA apps (for logout/lock/network manangement) - any idea what should I install to get this working
[14:00] <zth> 14.04 will be LTS, right...?
[14:01] <k1l_> zth: yes
[14:01] <zth> k1l_, yay! thanks
[14:04] <dede> hi
[14:04] <mturley> Hey does anyone know how to tell if upgrading your Ubuntu Server version will break anything?  Like maybe a command to look at what packages will be changed/replaced and grep that for some version-sensitive packages I'm using?
[14:04] <dede> does anyone see a new menu on firefox 28 with unity ?
[14:05] <dede> like this one http://minus.com/i/brsaZiFVJE45f
[14:05] <ice9> my xrandr output is https://gist.github.com/anonymous/58af31450958c53e6edf  so can I add higher resolution to the laptop screen?
[14:06] <mturley> dede, That "Firefox" menu on the left?
[14:06] <usr13> Kamil__: testing...
[14:06] <fidel_> mturley: this question is pretty general - so i doubt you'll get an answer which really helps further
[14:06] <dede> yes mturley
[14:06] <dede> this menu wasn't there in ff 27
[14:07] <mturley> They added that for windows and Mac to replace the menu bar, I thought it wasn't necessary in unity because you have that unified menu bar.  I guess they decided to add it anyway
[14:07] <mturley> fidel_: ok thanks
[14:07] <fidel_> consider creating a backup - try upgrading and see what is broken. or wait for others users to answer - but then you should at least mention the versions you are coming-from and going-to
[14:07] <dede> seem strange
[14:07] <dede> cause it makes two menus
[14:07] <Kamil__> usr13, thank you, i am configuring wifi now
[14:07] <usr13> Kamil__: On my system, startx loads up unity, (top pannel and all).
[14:07] <mturley> dede: I think you can turn it off in settings
[14:08] <dede> maybe from about:config page
[14:08] <dede> maybe it's a problem with firefox-globalmenu package
[14:08] <usr13> Kamil__: Not sure why it doesn't work for you, but there must be some sort of brokenness on your system that is causing it not to load.
[14:08] <usr13> Kamil__: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  ???
[14:09] <mturley> fidel_: thanks, I was just wondering if there was a general command to look at a preview of the upgrade changes.  I'll do a backup.
[14:09] <usr13> Kamil__: Only other change I would make is to create a symlink for startx:
[14:09] <Kamil__> usr13, i am not connected on internet
[14:10] <Kamil__> usr13, its fresh install without updates
[14:10] <naomi> attempting to connect with you on Skype
[14:10] <usr13> Kamil__: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/gui
[14:11] <usr13> Kamil__: Or something that effec, (just to save a couple key-stokes).
[14:11] <Kamil__> usr13, thank you
[14:11] <Kamil__> will try few things on it
[14:11] <usr13> Kamil__: It works for me, don't know why it wouldn't work for you.
[14:12] <ice9> how do I test my graphics  card?
[14:12] <bodie_> anyone know what version of golang is packaged with 12.04?
[14:12] <cfhowlett> bodie_, 2:1-5 -
[14:13] <usr13> Kamil__: (Having a Linux box not connected to the internet is like putting your Masarati up on blocks and locking it away in the garage ;)
[14:14] <grek> hi please help - canot connect to own host http://superuser.com/questions/730920/local-network-ping-local-ip-fail
[14:14] <bfig> hello, how can I script termination of a script unless it is ran with administrator privileges?
[14:14] <usr13> ice9: There is a screensaver that shows frame rate info ... trying to remember which one it is. (There is an option for it...)
[14:15] <cfhowlett> usr13, many screensavers have that option.
[14:15] <Kamil__> usr13, i am on 802.1x wifi network, must install root and pfx12 certificates to connect to the internet
[14:16] <Obsdark> hey oh, i'm trying to install ubuntu server 12.04 on my notebook from a usb stick and i'm having problems to download the installer components, any help?
[14:16] <Obsdark> thanks in advance
[14:16] <cfhowlett> Obsdark, try 12.04 mini.iso
[14:18] <ice9> in the system monitor the network traffic graph doesn't work
[14:18] <Obsdark> really? and where i can get it?
[14:18] <IceD^> so - any idea what packages is responsible for SNA in unity
[14:18] <cfhowlett> !mini|Obsdark,
[14:19] <grek> i update code  http://superuser.com/questions/730920/local-network-ping-local-ip-fail please some info
[14:19] <Obsdark> is affect than i'll be using a Static ip network?
[14:19] <Obsdark> i'm going t o try it right now, thanks
[14:19] <grek> i canot ping own host
[14:20] <usr13> ice9: I think you need to install xscreensaver-gl-extra
[14:21] <usr13> ice9: (or at least I am now...)
[14:22] <usr13> ice9: ONce you install xscreensaver-gl-extra, you'll have blocktube and it will show frame rate info
[14:23] <usr13> ice9: But you have to enable it in settings.
[14:25] <usr13> ice9: I know that one works, but as cfhowlett points out, there are probably others...
[14:25] <dede> thx usr13 ++
[14:26] <ice9> usr13: thanks
[14:26] <usr13> NP
[14:26] <ice9> how can I know the webcam kernel module name?
[14:29] <grek> here is more info - http://superuser.com/questions/730920/local-network-ping-local-ip-fail i canot ping own computer but from other in local lan i can ping it
[14:30] <usr13> ice9: http://imagebin.org/300322
[14:30] <usr13> ice9: Look at the output of   lsmod
[14:31] <zzxc> msg sudat
[14:31] <mickskitz> hi all, im just looking for some help with installing ubuntu to dual boot with windows 8.1 and have had a couple issues
[14:31] <Deepu143> any idea i am not able to send mail from user mode
[14:32] <ice9> usr13: I installed xscreensaver but how do I launch it, I can't see it in the settings
[14:33] <mickskitz> btw the version i am trying to install is ubuntu 13.10
[14:34] <ptuladhar> @Deepu143 are you using 'sendmail' utils.
[14:34] <usr13> ice9: Install xscreensaver-gl-extra
[14:34] <ice9> usr13: yes I did
[14:34] <Deepu143> can any one help me
[14:34] <Deepu143> please
[14:34] <ross_> hello?
[14:34] <Deepu143> i am not able to send mails from linux box
[14:35] <ross_> Is anyone else having issues booting after the most recent update?
[14:35] <ptuladhar> Deepu143, can you check the /var/log/mail.log
[14:35] <cfhowlett> !anyone|Deepu143,
[14:35] <usr13> ice9: Are you using unity?
[14:35] <ice9> usr13: yes
[14:36] <usr13> ice9: Do you have the "Windows Key" on your keyboard?
[14:36] <ross_> I have never used unity before
[14:36] <ross_> I have seen something about it in the sidebar
[14:36] <cfhowlett> !ask|ross
[14:36] <usr13> (I don't know what other name to call the "Windows Key".  Does it have a generic name?
[14:36] <ross_> but I use ubuntu primarily to code on.
[14:37] <Deepu143> sorry ubottu
[14:37] <Obsdark> So, i'm a pretty noob linux user, but i have a CentOS running fine, i was wondering what kind of compresion format i must use for ubuntu server instalation?
[14:37] <reisio> Obsdark: hrmm?
[14:38] <ice9> usr13: yes
[14:38] <cfhowlett> Obsdark, #ubuntu=server is the channel for you.   ext4 is the default
[14:38] <reisio> ross_: what's your issue?
[14:38] <Obsdark> thanks a lot
[14:38] <reisio> ext4 isn't really a compression format...
[14:38] <reisio> it's an FS
[14:38] <Obsdark> fair enough, thanks a lot
[14:38] <cfhowlett> reisio, help him out.  I clearly didn't understand
[14:38] <Deepu143> and ptuladhar here is my mail log "Mar 19 19:55:48 KYK postfix/smtp[23445]: 26B518362F: to=<kaya123@gmail.com>, relay=mail.kya.com[115.249.97.215]:25, delay=0.84, delays=0.01/0/0.61/0.23, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 8A29620165B)
[14:38] <ross_> (As per ubottu's instructions ) Is anyone else having an issue updating after the most resent update? My ubuntu  won't even boot anymore. I did notice that there could be an issue with the legacy version of grub, but I am using the most recent version. I have tried reinstalling it numerous times. Considering that was ubuntu 12.04, do you think trying 13.10 will see different results?
[14:38] <usr13> ice9: If you do not have the "Windows Key", just click the icon a the top of the line on the right, and type in screensaver, (by the time you get to screen... you'll see the screensaver config menu.  Ok if you hit the "Windows Key" it will bring up the search, just start typing  screen.... and then hit Enter when it comes up.
[14:38] <reisio> cfhowlett: :D
[14:39] <usr13> ice9: *left* not right..
[14:39] <reisio> ross_: how far does it get, what's the last thing you see?
[14:39] <ptuladhar> Deepu143, looks like your mail are being delivered fine.
[14:39] <ross_> I see a long screen of white text.
[14:39] <ptuladhar> Deepu143, what's the issue?
[14:39] <reisio> ross_: and then?
[14:39] <ross_> And that's it. It just hangs there
[14:39] <Deepu143> log shows delivered but i dint see the mail in inbox
[14:40] <ross_> If I do not choose ubuntu from the grub menu, I get the famed "Grub rescue>" prompt.
[14:40] <ptuladhar> Deepu143, check if its in spam folder?
[14:40] <reisio> ross_: okay, when it hangs, it probably has some informative text
[14:40] <ross_> Choosing windows works fine though.
[14:40] <reisio> ross_: you should read it :) maybe even write it down
[14:40] <reisio> ross_: then tell us what it is
[14:40] <usr13> ice9: I'm wrong, you will have to type as far as screensa ..... before it will come up, (because of screenshot).
[14:40] <reisio> text is usually informative :)
[14:41] <ice9> usr13: found it thanks :)
[14:41] <ross_> Problem is, it's a lot of text. Much too much to write down. I have read that the recent kernel update could be the problem
[14:41] <freenick> hellow
[14:41] <ross_> IDK. I guess I'll try 13.10 and see if that works. Thanks guys.
[14:41] <Deepu143> no ptuladhar
[14:41] <Deepu143> not even received in spam box
[14:41] <cfhowlett> !paste|ross_, paste it up
[14:41] <Deepu143> and i have een / is 91 percentage usage
[14:42] <Deepu143> seen*
[14:42] <reisio> ross_: usually only the last bit is enough
[14:42] <ptuladhar> Deepu143, check the smtp port: netstat -npltu | grep 25
[14:42] <ross_> cf, I can't copy it since it is in the boot sequence.
[14:42] <reisio> ross_: it _probably_ says something like 'kernel panic', and the most relevant lines will be immediately before or after
[14:42] <reisio> ross_: you will only need a specific few keywords for a pretty decent diagnosis
[14:43] <usr13> ice9: http://imagebin.org/300325
[14:43] <Deepu143> ya looks like port is open
[14:43] <Deepu143> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:25                0.0.0.0:*                   LISTEN      13572/master
[14:43] <ross_> Okay. I'll try it again, worst case scenario i'll try to do the grub repair again and grab the link that gives me to be able to share. Thanks for the help reisio!
[14:45] <usr13> ice9: http://imagebin.org/300326
[14:46] <reisio> ross_: most likely it is indeed something to do basically solely with the kernel GRUB is being told to load
[14:47] <reisio> ross_: but some paraphrasing, even, of the actual error messages would be useful :)
[14:47] <ptuladhar> Deepu143, did you made any changes to postfix configuration?
[14:48] <usr13> ice9: http://imagebin.org/300327
[14:48] <Deepu143> no
[14:49] <groggster> Hi! I am thinking about applying for a job as a sysadm at Canonical... I am looking for another sysadm working there to explain a few things to me before I do so. Is there anyone here?
[14:49] <freenick> .
[14:50] <k1l_> groggster: there is a channel for canonical server admins. but i forgot the name. try alis to find it
[14:50] <k1l_> !alis | groggster
[14:50] <ice9> usr13: which graphics card and processor you have?
[14:51] <groggster> Okay, thanks!
[14:52] <usr13> ice9: Intel 82Q35 graphics card, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E6550  @ 2.33GHz
[14:55] <sydney> If I upgrade to Lubuntu 13.10 from ubuntu 12.04,will it keep both graphical interfaces; also will it keep all my programs and files?
[14:56] <gugus> .
[14:56] <gugus> .
[14:57] <mickskitz> !patience
[14:57] <reisio> sydney: definitely the latter, if not the former that's easily fixed
[14:57] <reisio> sydney: you can always try LXDE from the live image, if you're unsure you'll like it
[14:58] <reisio> sydney: or install it without upgrading your whole system
[14:58] <Deepu143> hey its problem with mail server
[14:58] <Deepu143> thanks
[14:58] <freenick> .
[14:58] <reisio> freenick: very clever
[15:02] <sydney> What happens after a ubuntu version becomes unsupported?
[15:03] <mickskitz> im just looking for some help with installing ubuntu 13.10 (64bit) to dual boot with windows 8.1 and have had a couple issues
[15:03] <k1l_> sydney: no updates to packages. even no security ones
[15:03] <cfhowlett> !eol|sydney,
[15:03] <reisio> sydney: after that, it's not supported
[15:03] <bananapie> !deathrattle!sydney
[15:03] <cfhowlett> sydney, no more updates, no more security.
[15:04] <sydney> Ok,I get it. :)
[15:04] <bananapie> sydney, no more security because it is assumed there are flaws in the code that will go unpatched because it's not supported, but a hacker might still find those flaws.
[15:04] <reisio> realistically your security will be compromised long before that if you've spent so much time avoiding updating
[15:05] <reisio> "weee look at me, I never update"
[15:05] <reisio> "oh snap, not supported, guess I'll update in a rush now!"
[15:05] <reisio> "omg, broken!"
[15:05] <reisio> etc.
[15:05] <bananapie> reisio, good point.
[15:05] <reisio> bananapie: you're delicious
[15:07] <z3r0> :)
[15:07] <usr13> sydney: or... you could wait for 14.04
[15:08] <sydney> I was not sure what to do because lubuntu trusty will only be suported for 18 months.
[15:08] <bananapie> I'm waiting for 14.04. 14.04 is supported until 2019 if you are on server edition
[15:08] <reisio> sydney: only?
[15:08] <compdoc> Im waiting for 14.04 too
[15:08] <reisio> you should really be updating as soon as an update is available
[15:09] <reisio> it shouldn't ever take you more than a YEAR to update some software
[15:09] <reisio> that is just ridiculous :)
[15:09] <sydney> Well I don't like upgrading my os that often . ;)
[15:09] <reisio> why not?
[15:09] <bananapie> I haven't updated my Windows 95 in about 5 years :P
[15:09] <Guitarman_> moron
[15:10] <reisio> bananapie: you should try Windows ME, it's hawt
[15:10] <sydney> Beckause I get my stuff on It and get it set up a certian way; even though I do back it up.
[15:10] <edve> bananapie lol
[15:10] <bananapie> Really? I've been thinking about it, but I am waiting for 2000 to come out
[15:10] <cfhowlett_> !ot
[15:10] <bananapie> sydney, what version are you running ?
[15:10] <bananapie> sorry ubottu and cfhowlett
[15:10] <usr13> sydney: 12.04 EOL is  April 2017
[15:11] <cfhowlett_> sydney, strangely enough 14.04 will also be support until april 2017
[15:11] <reisio> sydney: and what, when you update it changes too much?
[15:11] <bananapie> 12.04 SERVER is supported until 2017
[15:11] <reisio> sydney: sounds like you should try choosing software whose developers are less random
[15:11] <bananapie> desktop only gets 3 years.
[15:11] <kostkon> bananapie, nope
[15:11] <kostkon> bananapie, 5y
[15:12] <bananapie> LTS server => 5 years, LTS Desktop => 3 years. At least that is what it used to be.
[15:12] <kostkon> bananapie, exactly, it used to be
[15:12] <kostkon> bananapie, not anymore
[15:12] <k1l_> bananapie: that the old way
[15:12] <bananapie> Source?
[15:12] <k1l_> bananapie: both 5 years now
[15:12] <k1l_> since 12.04
[15:12] <bananapie> [citation needed ]
[15:12] <k1l_> !lts | bananapie
[15:12] <cfhowlett_> k1l_, yeah, last I checked it'll be 3 years on 14.04
[15:13] <usr13> sydney: I was wrong, it's April 2015 for 12.04 Desktop
[15:13] <bananapie> ubottu agrees with me :)
[15:13] <sydney> ubuntu 12.04, with lxde ( I downloaded it fron the software center),and I do want to try 14.04,and do plan on installing lubuntu 14.04.
[15:13] <k1l_> cfhowlett_: no. they reduced the non-lts support to keep lts long
[15:13] <usr13> bananapie: Thanks for correction.
[15:15] <cfhowlett_> sydney, 14.04 will be the first lubuntu LTS version.  Should be sweet
[15:15] <usr13> Oh, I see I was right the first time..... (I thought I must have read the date wrong...)
[15:15] <cfhowlett_> !saucyh
[15:15] <usr13> Thanks k1l_ ... for the info
[15:15] <cfhowlett_> !sacyh
[15:15] <cfhowlett_> !saucy
[15:15] <sydney> Oh so I will be suported longer than 18 months?!
[15:15]  * cfhowlett_ fat finger errors
[15:15] <cfhowlett_> !lts
[15:16] <kostkon> sydney, even on lubuntu yes
[15:16] <cfhowlett_> sydney, there are no longer 18 month versions
[15:16] <kostkon> sydney, lubuntu 14.04 that is
[15:16] <usr13> 13.10's EOL is July 2014
[15:16] <sydney> I would like one that spans all the way between 2 lts versions.:)
[15:16] <usr13> sydney: See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[15:16] <cfhowlett_> sydney, so just use LTS then ...
[15:16] <k1l_> sydney: user LTS.
[15:16] <k1l_> *use
[15:17] <usr13> sydney: Then use LTS
[15:17] <cfhowlett_> sydney, 12.04 now, upgrade to 14.04 next month
[15:17] <usr13> cfhowlett_: Or, wait a couple more years...
[15:17] <cfhowlett_> usr13, true.  12.04 has a long life span ...
[15:17] <ice9> how to use the intel wireless display feature?
[15:18] <usr13> "if it aint broke, don't fix it"
[15:18] <usr13> ice9: What?
[15:18] <sydney> I will,and that is a good saying. ;)
[15:18] <kostkon> usr13, wireless monitors
[15:18] <usr13> sydney: ... just my opinion ...
[15:19] <usr13> kostkon: Oh ok.  Well I don't know anyway so...
[15:19] <usr13> kostkon: Oh, does he mean like wireshark?
[15:19] <kostkon> usr13, ?
[15:20] <ice9> usr13: http://ark.intel.com/products/65700/Intel-Core-i3-3110M-Processor-3M-Cache-2_40-GHz search for "Intel® Wireless Display"
[15:20] <usr13> kostkon: (network traffic analyzer)
[15:20] <kostkon> usr13, obviously not
[15:21] <sydney> I will definately try it when I comes out; but now I am mixed up on weather to upgrade and do a fresh install,and restore my files from a backup;or just upgrade?
[15:21] <reisio> sydney: why wouldn't you just upgrade
[15:21] <reisio> less work, no?
[15:21] <cfhowlett_> sydney, clean update is my method.  not too painful as I only do it every 2 years.  clears out the previous residue
[15:21] <reisio> ew
[15:22] <usr13> ice9: So that is the specs on your CPU?  (What about it?)
[15:23] <usr13> ice9: Maybe you should re-state your question.
[15:23] <sydney> I want it to keep my files,but i am not sure about the rest. I have already had to reinstall 12.04 before,and it is a lot of work to get everything the exact same.
[15:23] <cfhowlett_> sydney, with a dedicated /home and data backup, clean install is so easy, a caveman could do it.
[15:24] <sydney> I do have a dedicated backup,but my home folder is in the same partion as th filesystem.
[15:24] <ice9> usr13: I wanted to know how to use the wireless display feature, which application is needed to use it?
[15:24] <usr13> sydney: If you have a separate partition for /home you can just go through the normal install process, choose not to format that partition and use same user name.
[15:24] <usr13> sydney: Otherwise, just backup your files....
[15:24] <Guitarman_> u can run but you can not hide, elohel
[15:24] <sydney> I always backup my files:)
[15:24]  * reisio shakes head
[15:24] <usr13> ice9: nm-applet or wicd
[15:25] <reisio> sorry, but if you can't update your system without reinstalling, then you're using the wrong OS
[15:25] <reisio> or distro
[15:25] <usr13> ice9: Which ever you use.  The default is network-manager
[15:25] <cfhowlett_> !wfm
[15:26] <usr13> ice9: (By "wireless display feature" I assume you mean wireless configuration menu.)
[15:26] <usr13> ice9: ... which you should see in the upper-right corner of the screen, (or little to left of that).
[15:26] <sydney> When I upgrade does it pretty much wipe all the system files and reinstall? or does it only replace a few files?
[15:26] <reisio> sydney: it replaces lots of system files
[15:26] <usr13> sydney: wipes them all
[15:27] <reisio> your /home/ should be left alone
[15:27] <cfhowlett_> reisio, assume it wipes them all
[15:27] <reisio> until you run a program, and then ~/. files will be updated
[15:27] <cfhowlett_> sydney ... sorry reisio
[15:27] <reisio> cfhowlett_: assume wha?
[15:27] <usr13> sydney: Oh no, upgrade just installes new versions and removes obsolete ones.
[15:27] <usr13> *upgrade*
[15:27] <sydney> Thats what I thought. Thanks
[15:27] <cfhowlett_> reisio, nvermind, wrong tab complete
[15:27] <Guitarman_> lovIN' IT......in your face, heeeeee heeeee
[15:27] <reisio> well, he used 'upgrade' to mean "not reinstall"
[15:27] <ice9> user1: I don't mean the wifi or wireless internet, "wireless display" allows you to connect to wireless TV for streaming without using a router
[15:27] <reisio> realistically "upgrade" and "update" are synonyns
[15:27] <reisio> synonyms*
[15:27]  * reisio glares at apt programmers
[15:28] <sydney> I think I will upgrade when 14.04 comes out.
[15:28] <cfhowlett_> lol
[15:28] <reisio> synonyms in English, but not to apt :p
[15:28] <Raugturi> Does anyone know what might be causing this DNS issue? http://bpaste.net/show/190861/
[15:28] <reisio> I've been upgrading Unix systems for at least 9 years
[15:28] <usr13> sydney: Good choice,
[15:28] <reisio> if you can't upgrade, you're doing it wrong or the system is
[15:28] <Guitarman_> not as 5think as you dumb i am fool
[15:29] <avis> how do i block all but one port using iptables ?
[15:30] <Guitarman_> loser
[15:30] <reisio> avis: #netfilter
[15:30] <sydney> Thats why I backup my system. :)
[15:30] <cfhowlett_> !behelpful|Guitarman_,
[15:31] <sydney> And right now I am downloading lubuntu trusty Daily build to try it and see what it is like so far.
[15:31] <usr13> Raugturi: cat /etc/issue  #Show us what that says.
[15:31] <cholulo> hi
[15:31] <ice9> how to identify graphics card capabilities like ram, ghz, etc..?
[15:31] <cfhowlett_> cholulo, greetings
[15:31] <sydney> hello
[15:31] <Raugturi> usr13: Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[15:32] <reisio> ice9: what for?
[15:32] <reisio> cholulo: ohai
[15:32] <ice9> reisio: it's new laptop so I want to discover it
[15:33] <sebastiansam55> is it a known issue to have some chrome webpages stay shown after being minimized in 12.04.4?
[15:33] <cholulo> i'm installing ubuntu 9.01
[15:33] <reisio> ice9: lshw might have that
[15:33] <reisio> cholulo: oh, why such an old version?
[15:33] <cholulo> i have one in the bookstore
[15:34] <reisio> sebastiansam55: sounds like maybe your system doesn't play so well with compiz/accelerated graphics
[15:34] <reisio> cholulo: hrmm?
[15:34] <cholulo>  were can i get the latest
[15:34] <sebastiansam55> oh okay, firefox doesn't seem to have the problem
[15:34] <reisio> cholulo: oh, ubuntu.com
[15:34] <k1l_> !downloads | cholulo
[15:35] <k1l_> !iso | cholulo
[15:35] <reisio> or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[15:35] <cholulo> thanks a lot
[15:36] <cfhowlett_> cholulo, guessing this is an older computer.  lubuntu or xubuntu would probably run better that ubuntu
[15:36] <sunny_slls> hi everybody
[15:36] <cholulo> yes it is seven years old
[15:37] <sunny_slls> i have updated my OS from 10.04 to 12.04
[15:37] <raj__>  if my domain name is "www.mydomain.com", what could likely be my unqualified hostname & FQDN ?
[15:37] <cfhowlett_> cholulo, lubuntu is optimized for older/lower spec hardware.  xubuntu also runs pretty good on older stuff.
[15:37] <cholulo> what's the differences between kubuntu , lubuntu and ubuntu?
[15:37] <sunny_slls> i am facing this issue of flashplugin-installer and oracle-java8-installer
[15:37] <cfhowlett_> !flavors
[15:37] <cholulo> ok
[15:37] <sunny_slls> http://pastebin.com/U7g6H7K7
[15:38] <sunny_slls> please help
[15:38] <reaga> is there a way to revert to before updates were installed?
[15:38] <reaga> i just installed an update and it broke verything
[15:38] <reaga> :/
[15:38] <cholulo> 94% :-)
[15:38] <toothe> how do I upgrade just the kernel?
[15:38] <reaga> not gonna install any more updates
[15:38] <reaga> that's for sure
[15:39] <reaga> and ill disable those fucking update popups too
[15:39] <reaga> fucking ubuntu
[15:39] <cfhowlett_> !language|reaga,
[15:39] <cfhowlett_> toothe, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:39] <cholulo> thats happen to my too you have to repair the grub
[15:40] <reisio> reaga: sounds like maybe you should just use another distro
[15:40] <jiohdi> reaga, how much access do you still have?
[15:40] <k1l> !details | reaga
[15:41] <cholulo> % restarting bye bye
[15:41] <cfhowlett_> toothe, sorry, that's incorrect.   that'll grab ALL updateable packages, not restricted to the kernel.
[15:42] <sunny_slls> hi cfhowlett_ i updated my os ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 . After that i can't see windows option in my grub file
[15:42] <CollinAnderson> anyone know why apache httpd defaults to LANG=C instead of UTF8?
[15:42] <cfhowlett_> sunny_slls, try reinstalling grub
[15:42] <cfhowlett_> !grub
[15:43] <cfhowlett_> sunny_slls, be aware that grub was updated between those 2 releases.  the grub2 in 12.04 requires a different configuration.  it should set up automatically but ...
[15:45] <reisio> CollinAnderson: that's just tradition, utf-8 is more complex and not always required
[15:45] <reisio> CollinAnderson: the entire OS installation might be not using utf-8
[15:47] <CollinAnderson> maybe my question is, why not default to the system default
[15:50] <usr13> Raugturi: Is this a desktop or laptop or server or...?
[15:52] <usr13> Raugturi:  SOrry, was on the phone
[15:53] <reisio> CollinAnderson: that's a question for #httpd, probably, but
[15:53] <reisio> I'd guess, again, because C is infinitely simpler than UTF-8
[15:53] <pablote> popete
[15:53] <reisio> including avoiding actual problems
[15:53] <popete> pablote!
[15:53] <reisio> that said, try nginx :)
[15:56] <GivenToCode> if i make changes to an upstart script do i need to reboot in order for them to take effect?
[15:57] <GivenToCode> ive made changes and stopped and started my service but it's not behaving as id expect and sort of want to avoid having to reboot
[15:58] <CollinAnderson> reisio: yeah, #httpd said to come over here
[15:58] <frank1e> hey anyone knows how to use gpg or pgp or how this is called with an ubuntu live cd?
[15:58] <CollinAnderson> reisio: it's only defaults to LANG=C in debian/ubuntu
[15:58] <frank1e> (ubuntu 12.04)
[15:58] <frank1e> or if it even works with an ubuntu live cd?
[15:58] <CollinAnderson> afaik
[15:59] <frank1e> no one?
[15:59] <kostkon> !gpg
[15:59] <frank1e> I mean that program to encrypt messages and decrypt them
[16:00] <frank1e> IM new to this
[16:00] <frank1e> *I'm
[16:01] <icdomer>  if I have a pid and a page address, how can I get which node the page is on?
[16:02] <SchrodingersScat> frank1e: yes, gpg can do that.  Since you would need the private keys, i'm not sure how often people use it from livecd, but then maybe people download the key/use-persistence.
[16:02] <frank1e> I am so puzzled about all this
[16:02] <kostkon> frank1e, what are you trying to do
[16:03] <frank1e> getting into encrypting text conversations on the net. and maybe try to get friends to try it out because I think this is getting more and more important these days.
[16:03] <frank1e> (via PGP)
[16:05] <Routh> Anyone here good with UFW?
[16:05] <SchrodingersScat> !anyone | Routh
[16:06] <reisio> CollinAnderson: then #debian would be where to ask about why it does that
[16:06] <reisio> I doubt Ubuntu did much but cp debian/httpd ubuntu/
[16:06] <SchrodingersScat> frank1e: have you read the ubuntu gpg link?  where are you at in the process?  Hard to know where to start when we don't know what you've tried, etc.  basically !details | frank1e
[16:07] <Routh> I've blocked 205.209.0.0/16 for spamming, ufw status confirms it's DENY anywhere - however a spammer from 205.209.165.42 managed to connect and spam today. UFW status is active... maybe /16 doesn't cover that IP? I'm lost.. it should have been impossible for them to connect.
[16:07] <sorinello> Hello. Cna someone how can I downgrade to the previous version of Firefox ? I am currently using 27, but I need to use 26
[16:08] <reisio> sorinello: why do you need to?
[16:08] <sorinello> reisio: because I am using an automation framework (webdriver) which is not compatible with FF 27
[16:09] <kostkon> sorinello, actually the latest is 28, tried in that?
[16:09] <reisio> sorinello: 26 and 27 aren't that different
[16:09] <reisio> sorinello: so "webdriver" is probably UA sniffing, which is what really awful web software does
[16:09] <sorinello> kostkon, reisio: I know 28 is latest, but I need 26
[16:09] <reisio> install the user agent switcher extension and tell webdriver you're using 26, it'll probably work
[16:10] <sorinello> no, it's more about Native Events of Firefox
[16:10] <sorinello> which are not compatible with what I am using
[16:10] <reisio> hrmm?
[16:11] <Karmahacker> Hi guys how  it possible to clear cash on vps ?
[16:11] <jjavaholic> nvidia_319_updates: "This driver is activated but not currectly in use" what is going on here?
[16:12] <sydney_> Is there any way to run a apple app or program on linux?
[16:12] <reisio> sydney_: yes, but it's not worth the effort usually
[16:13] <reisio> if it's a decent app, it will build without the UI frontend on any Unix system
[16:13] <sydney_> ok ,thanks
[16:13] <frank1e> SchrodingersScat: Im just at the very beginning. Read much stuff on the net via Google but I still dont understand the very basic system. I think I need someone to explain it to me like I'm 5.
[16:13] <reisio> similarly, an app authored by someone not awful will already provide non-Mac OS Unix builds/build instructions
[16:14] <kunju> hai
[16:15] <usr13> 205.209.0.0/16 is HostMin: 205.209.0.1   HostMax: 205.209.255.254
[16:15] <reisio> kunju: ohai
[16:15] <usr13> Routh:
[16:15] <SchrodingersScat> frank1e: you and your friend make keys, you both exchange the public keys that allow people to encrypt things for your eyes only, you decode the data with your private key.  This can be text, or files, etc.
[16:17] <kunju> hai
[16:18] <Routh> usr13: Thought so, so it should be covered. I think it's rule order
[16:19] <usr13> Routh: To see a list of rules:  ufw status numbered
[16:19] <usr13> (numbered rules)
[16:19] <Fohlen> anyone knows how I can install Gnome Office, Ease?
[16:19] <Fohlen> for Ubuntu 13.04
[16:19] <Fohlen> can't find it though :(
[16:19] <pablote> nop
[16:19] <pablito> uis
[16:20] <jjavaholic> nvidia_319_updates: "This driver is activated but not currectly in use" what is going on here?
[16:20] <reisio> jjavaholic: it's not in use
[16:20] <reisio> probably just as it says
[16:20] <SchrodingersScat> !13.04 | Fohlen
[16:20] <usr13> Fohlen: libreoffice-gnome   >?
[16:20] <Fohlen> ubottu, is there no ppa to aquire ease for raring?
[16:21] <Fohlen> ups
[16:21] <jjavaholic> how can I make sure it is used?
[16:21] <usr13> Fohlen: apt-cache search office-gnome
[16:23] <reisio> jjavaholic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:23] <ansel> ueah
[16:23] <ansel> yeah...
[16:23] <ansel> need help
[16:23] <Fohlen> usr13, https://launchpad.net/~natesm/+archive/ease
[16:23] <Fohlen> libreoffice sucks.
[16:23] <reisio> Fohlen: nah
[16:23] <ansel> do u knw about ....CISC
[16:24] <reisio> office suites kind of suck, but as far as office suites go, libreoffice is pretty wonderful
[16:24] <Fohlen> reisio, the code sucks, it's slow and lacks tons of features
[16:24] <Fohlen> calligra is worlds better
[16:24] <Fohlen> but it depends on kde
[16:25] <QuinnStorm> ...which is worlds better than gnome *ducks*
[16:25] <Fohlen> they have different text interpreter engines for every product
[16:25] <reisio> Fohlen: how's it better?
[16:25] <Fohlen> reisio, it's faster, it's interface is much more usable
[16:25] <reisio> using office suites is the slow way of doing things :) so it being slow is no surprise, really, is it? :)
[16:26] <reisio> Fohlen: okay, anything not subjective?
[16:26] <kunju> helloooooooo
[16:26] <reisio> like "libreoffice cannot do FOO, calligra can"?
[16:26] <reisio> kunju: hey again
[16:26] <Fohlen> reisio ... this was totally objective
[16:26] <Fohlen> you ever looked the code?
[16:26] <Fohlen> ...
[16:26] <Fohlen> *up
[16:26] <kunju> what about topic do you talk?
[16:26] <reisio> Fohlen: end users don't usually do that, so I'm not sure how it's relevant to such a comparison
[16:26] <reisio> kunju: stuff
[16:26] <tdannecy> kunju | !hi
[16:26] <Fohlen> reisio. it is crap.
[16:27] <kunju> sry what is stuff?
[16:27] <reisio> Fohlen: uhuh...
[16:27] <Fohlen> okay ... to make a cool example, libreoffice doesn't even have sheet layers...
[16:27] <reisio> kunju: things
[16:27] <Fohlen> it doesn't have paths
[16:27] <Fohlen> the animations are from 99
[16:27] <tdannecy> !hi | kunju
[16:27] <Fohlen> it lacks tons of stuff.
[16:27] <jjavaholic> where can I find an exhaustive list of nvidia drivers to graphics cards so I can know which one I should be using?
[16:28] <reisio> Fohlen: does ms office have paths?
[16:28] <Fohlen> yes
[16:28] <reisio> jjavaholic: nvidia.com
[16:28]  * QuinnStorm is kinda glad she doesn't have to do much with office software...last she looked it all kinda sucks in its own way
[16:28] <Fohlen> ms office also has sheet layers
[16:28] <reisio> do serious illustrators use office? :p
[16:28] <reisio> don't they use... a dedicated illustration program?
[16:28] <QuinnStorm> koffice always showed promise but suffered really badly from the general kde problem -- it works really well right up until randomly SIGSEGV
[16:29] <Fohlen> reisio, if you need to make business presentations you probably need to get rid of open/libreoffice.
[16:29] <Fohlen> QuinnStorm, exactly my thoughts about Calligra.
[16:29] <Fohlen> it suffers so hard bugs if you install it apart from a KDE environment
[16:29] <reisio> I don't know about that, but if you need to make business presentations, you're probably already SOL :)
[16:29] <Fohlen> it's unbelievable :(
[16:29] <Fohlen> reisio, that's why I am looking for a good and easygoing solution
[16:29]  * QuinnStorm doesn't know how they managed to botch konqueror+webkit so badly
[16:30] <Fohlen> because I hate complete office suits
[16:30] <QuinnStorm> it fails miserably all over the place where chromium is just fine
[16:30] <Fohlen> they are terrible.
[16:30] <jjavaholic> but you do or don't advocate running the binary drivers from the nvidia website?
[16:30] <Fohlen> well, still miles bether than libreoffice code
[16:30]  * QuinnStorm still prefers kde, but really wishes someone would do something about the whole random segfault thing
[16:30] <Fohlen> lmfao
[16:30] <Fohlen> jjvaholic, use the ppa's.
[16:30] <Fohlen> binary drivers should always be your last-chance option
[16:31] <Fohlen> because they are normally not widely tested.
[16:31] <usr13> Fohlen: Libreoffice components can be installed separately.
[16:31] <QuinnStorm> ...though it really did used to be worse, the late 3 series were awful when they weren't sure if they were going to 4 yet or not
[16:31] <QuinnStorm> and the early 4 was unusable
[16:31] <OerHeks> jjavaholic, no, use the ones in the repositorys
[16:31] <jjavaholic> I have had problems using too many third party ppa's before
[16:31] <Fohlen> usr13, they cant.
[16:31] <Fohlen> at least not with using apt
[16:32] <Fohlen> maybe by source
[16:32] <usr13> Fohlen: (not sure why you would do it but you *can* install separate components).  So what problem are you having really?
[16:32] <Fohlen> if you install for example libreoffice-words
[16:32] <QuinnStorm> binary nvidia drivers should only be used if nouveau can't do what you want, and with the understanding that they do have bugs and will randomly hardlock your kernel
[16:32] <Fohlen> it will force you installing the whole suit.
[16:32] <QuinnStorm> at least last I looked
[16:33] <usr13> Fohlen: Maybe you should just use windord
[16:33] <QuinnStorm> (especially around suspend/resume)
[16:33] <usr13> *winword*
[16:33] <EvilRoey> hey all
[16:33] <reisio> Fohlen: that's a silly thing to say as a KDE user :p
[16:33] <EvilRoey> my mail is being blasted every minute by CRON.  How do I figure out how to stop it
[16:33] <reisio> show me the KDE app that doesn't require kdelibs
[16:33] <Fohlen> reisio lol, I'll never use KDE
[16:33] <Fohlen> :P
[16:33] <EvilRoey> reisio:  KDE is a silly thing to use as a computer user
[16:33] <reisio> Fohlen: heheh
[16:33] <reisio> EvilRoey: heh
[16:33] <Blueer> someone know why ChrootDirectory isn't working with ssh and sftp? i've set up all right in the config, restarted ssh and i can login, but i can browse the whole server :(
[16:33] <Fohlen> I'm on xfce and that's well reasoned though.
[16:33] <EvilRoey> reisio:  (because it allows you to get past the low level computer stuff and just do your work)
[16:33] <usr13> Fohlen: *MS-Office*  (it appears that you will be satisfied with nothing less, so...  :)
[16:33]  * QuinnStorm shrugs, likes her kde desktop, doesn't see a reason to change, its the browser that eats all the resources not the DE these days
[16:34] <EvilRoey> reisio:  long live KDE!! :)
[16:34] <Blueer> ChrootDirectory %h
[16:34] <usr13> Fohlen: Yea, xfce rocks.
[16:34] <Fohlen> usr13. It works better than all of the free stuff available
[16:34] <EvilRoey> QuinnStorm:  wonderful!
[16:34] <Fohlen> and that is an objective statement
[16:34] <Fohlen> it just does
[16:34] <usr13> Fohlen: What does?  xfce?
[16:34] <Fohlen> I don't like MS at all, but Office is a wonderfull solution.
[16:34] <EvilRoey> Fohlen:  Hello there, were you Fehlen before?
[16:34] <reisio> EvilRoey: it probably will live long, but when it loses its paid developers it's going to be annoying to use for a while
[16:34] <EvilRoey> ah
[16:34] <EvilRoey> why "when"?
[16:34] <usr13> Fohlen: If that is what you are saying, I beg to differ (in a *very* big way).
[16:35] <EvilRoey> reisio:  as if it is a foregon conclusion?
[16:35] <QuinnStorm> of course I spend most of my time in a terminal or the browser, so the DE really just needs to work and mostly get out of my way
[16:35] <Fohlen> usr13, it only brings you the disadvantage of using windoof
[16:35] <Fohlen> which is a kill-factor
[16:35] <Fohlen> or wine, but whoami using wine
[16:35] <QuinnStorm> ...and then there's that annoying bug with ktorrent's queue that I still can't figure out
[16:35] <Fohlen> though that crap bettered a bit.
[16:35] <reisio> EvilRoey: yup
[16:36] <EvilRoey> reisio:  when will this happen?
[16:36]  * QuinnStorm has looked at the source and it shouldn't be broken >.<
[16:36] <EvilRoey> I'm getting mailed every few minutes with a message like "ERROR: creating snapshot toplevel/toplevel.20140319-1201 -> toplevel.20140319-1201 failed. File exists"  <-- this message comes from the backup script I've put in with crontab -e.  I don't understand why there are like 22 mails about this in root's mail.
[16:36]  * EvilRoey looks hopefully at QuinnStorm and reisio 
[16:36] <reisio> EvilRoey: sometime
[16:37] <Korkel> hey
[16:37] <reisio> Korkel: heyo
[16:38] <Korkel> Can I register my IRC name?
[16:38] <usr13> !register
[16:39] <stego> hello! are there any downsides to install 14.04 beta now and just update until it's stable? or should i wait another month?
[16:39] <ikonia> your installing a beta product that's not stable
[16:39] <ikonia> seems like a pretty big draw back if you want it to work
[16:40] <duoi> hi all
[16:40] <duoi> what are some tricks i could use to speed up ubuntu's boot time?
[16:40] <reisio> stego: you can probably upgrade to it without downloading and installing it on its own, if you really want it
[16:40] <reisio> duoi: stop rebooting
[16:40] <Korkel> brb
[16:41] <duoi> huehuehue, but lets me serious
[16:41] <reisio> okay
[16:41] <duoi> s/me/be
[16:41] <reisio> duoi: stop rebooting
[16:41] <ikonia> duoi: what is the actual boot time it's taking /
[16:41] <duoi> reisio, stop trolling
[16:41] <reisio> duoi: okay
[16:41] <reisio> duoi: stop rebooting
[16:41] <stego> reisio, kindly remove yourself
[16:41] <ikonia> enough
[16:42] <ikonia> lets just deal with the problem
[16:42] <reisio> yes, let's
[16:42] <duoi> ikonia, it doesn't matter. im curious about what i could strip to make it quicker just for the sake of being quicker.
[16:42] <reisio> duoi: have you tried not rebooting?
[16:42] <reisio> oooh, just for the sake
[16:42] <ikonia> duoi: it actually does matter, that's why I'm asking
[16:42] <ikonia> reisio: come on, please, give it a rest.
[16:43] <reisio> ikonia: you just said let's deal with the problem...
[16:43] <jjavaholic> WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia_304_updates failed: ERROR: Module nvidia_304_updates not found. found in /var/loc/jockey.log
[16:44] <Korkel> back
[16:44] <reisio> wb
[16:44] <hwtests> hi, what programs can I quickly run to verify if computer seems fine (stable) regarding hardware?
[16:45] <ikonia> hwtests: just run the machine, use it, see how it goes
[16:45] <Korkel> Is there a option to activate Sleep modus in Gnome 3.10?
[16:45] <reisio> Korkel: modus?
[16:45] <hwtests> ikonia: anything more to test in half hour?
[16:45] <hwtests> I run smart test
[16:45] <Korkel> IDK how to call, just let the laptop sleep.
[16:45] <ikonia> hwtests: 30 minutes isn't going to really tell you anything
[16:45] <ikonia> hwtests: running a memtest is useful as it will put load on the memory, and cpu, but won't test "ubuntu" just the hardware
[16:45] <reisio> hwtests: nor smart info :)
[16:45] <hwtests> where is memtester in ubuntu? it was available in debian
[16:45] <Korkel> So it doesn't shut down.
[16:46] <hwtests> reisio: smartmontools --test short is 5 minutes :P
[16:46] <duoi> ikonia, it takes about a minute
[16:46] <reisio> hwtests: 5 wasted minutes
[16:46] <OerHeks> hwtests, still is, boot & hold shift to see grub menu with memtest86
[16:46] <rahules> Hi,I am using Ubuntu 13.10. It has been working fine till today. Now, when I try to open it, I get a black screen after login and only the mouse pointer works
[16:46] <reisio> Korkel: yes it should be in the admin menu area somewhere
[16:46] <ikonia> duoi: thats not too bad, the best tip is to remove the boot splash and watch what processes take time to respond (dhcp is a common one)
[16:46] <ikonia> then address those services
[16:46] <reisio> Korkel: look for 'power', etc.
[16:46] <hwtests> OerHeks: right, that is memtest86, but I mean the one that you can run as normal application. was called memtester in debian
[16:47] <Korkel> Will chek it. :)
[16:47] <OerHeks> hwtests, useless, your system needs to be free to be tested
[16:47] <ikonia> hwtests: thats not a good test as it's running memory within debian/ubuntu - thats using memory
[16:47] <rahules> I have tried reinstlling ubuntu-desktop, resetting preferences from ccsm but nothing works
[16:47] <ikonia> hwtests: it needs to be "pre boot"
[16:47] <hwtests> ok so memtester is not present in ubuntu repo then?
[16:48] <ikonia> hwtests: try looking
[16:48] <ikonia> but we are telling you that is a pointless test
[16:48] <Fohlen> anyone knows if this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/impressive/+bug/1214098 got resolved somehow?
[16:48] <hwtests> thanks, though you are wrong, it has a chance to show memory corruption. just memtest86 does it better as it tests entire range
[16:48] <eliterecon> Hello everyone I installed ubuntu 12.04.4 on a hp pavilion dv6000 and i haven't been able to figure out how to install a wifi driver for it any ideas?
[16:48] <Fohlen> Or how I possibly could?
[16:49] <reisio> if it doesn't overheat in 30 minutes, then probably all the important hardware works perfectly
[16:49] <reisio> eliterecon: what's the wireless device?
[16:49] <eliterecon> its a broadcom something
[16:50] <reisio> eliterecon: check lspci or lsusb for a model #
[16:50] <rahules> Anybody? Any fix for The black screen and mouse pointer after login problem?
[16:50] <reisio> rahules: can you CTRL+ALT+F2?
[16:51] <eliterecon> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[16:51] <rahules> reisio: i can. I tried restarting lightdm,  reinstalling ubuntu-desktop, unity, but no luck
[16:51] <ilhami5> I am reinstalling Ubuntu Server and I get this...
Network configuration failed..
Your network is probably not using DHCP
and some more.
[16:52] <llutz> ilhami5: "Your network is probably not using DHCP" is it?
[16:52] <ilhami5> It's a VM I am installing
[16:52] <ilhami5> I dont get it
[16:52] <ilhami5> of course it is.
[16:52] <ilhami5> I can check again
[16:52] <Fohlen> every fine office solution seems to bug in 13.04
[16:52] <Fohlen> it starts grinding my gears now :(
[16:52] <reisio> rahules: you can't even see the login (DM) screen?
[16:53] <eliterecon> so anything for 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) wireless driver for ubuntu 12.04.4
[16:54] <blizzow> Anyone here know how to get Saucy to connect to a cisco ipsec gateway using xauth + PSK?    I installed the networkmanager vpnc client but it's not working at all.  I can connect with both android and OSX.  I typically get a no response when trying the vpnc command line option.  If I attempt connecting via the network manager, the server complains that the phase 1 settings are wrong.  :(
[16:54] <ilhami5> llutz: My network is using DHCP
[16:54] <ilhami5> there must be something wrong with the network settings though
[16:55] <reisio> eliterecon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:55] <rahules_> sorry I got disconnected reisio. Is there any fix for it?
[16:55] <OerHeks> ilhami5, most likely it is your VM-host settings
[16:55] <reisio> rahules: you can't even see the login (DM) screen?
[16:56] <ilhami5> OerHeks how do I solve it? :)
[16:56] <ilhami5> I think you are right.
[16:56] <rahules_> reisio: I can see the login screen. After I enter my password and hit enter, I am greeted with a blank black screen with only the mouse pointer
[16:56] <rahules_> I can move the mouse pointer
[16:56] <reisio> rahules_: alright, can you ask to use a safe mode from the login screen?
[16:57] <reisio> rahules_: or if you right click (after login), do you get a menu?
[16:57] <rahules_> I am right now using cinnamon software render mode reisio . For some reason, cinnamon isn't also working properly
[16:57] <OerHeks> ilhami5, depends, virtualbox or zen or whatever you use
[16:57] <ilhami5> Hyper-V OerHeks :)
[16:58] <OerHeks> ilhami5, then /join ##windows i guess
[16:58] <ilhami5> I asked there 100 times.
[16:58] <ilhami5> They don't know anything :D
[16:58] <reisio> rahules_: there should be a simpler, safer option available, IIRC
[16:59] <rahules_> reisio: and If i use Ctrl+Alt+T, I get the terminal window, without any decorations or transparency
[16:59] <ilhami5> right now Ubuntu is installing.
[16:59] <rahules_> reisio: sorry, I don't understand
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> rahules_: have you tried a non-compoziting session, like LXDE?
[16:59] <reisio> rahules_: no other DE options at the login screen?
[17:00] <rahules_> ActionParsnip: nop. After many failed attempts, I installed Cinnamon
[17:00] <rahules_> reisio: the only options came after installing cinnamon
[17:00] <Keanu73> how do I power on a ubuntu machine by using a windows machine
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> Keanu73: you can use wake on lan
[17:01] <llutz> Keanu73: wakeonlan/etherwake
[17:01] <reisio> Keanu73: you'd need to configure wake on lan, and get an app to send the requisite packets
[17:01] <Keanu73> I know Wake-on-LAN
[17:01] <grousey> Keanu73: if your hardware supports it
[17:01] <Keanu73> but I can't get my ubuntu computer's MAC address..
[17:01] <reisio> Keanu73: sure you can
[17:01] <Keanu73> it's not showing on my router LAN information
[17:02] <sthulb> Hey, I'm trying to install 13.10 on a MacBook Pro 8,2, but when I try to either: Try ubuntu or install ubuntu options from the grub menu, I get a black screen and just the bongo sound
[17:02] <reisio> the easy way would be to get it from the booted ubuntu box itself
[17:02] <eliterecon> i have to restart my computer to finish ill come back if it doesn't work thx
[17:02] <llutz> Keanu73: arp -a
[17:02] <reisio> sthulb: sounds like the graphics driver is failing
[17:03] <reisio> sthulb: you could CTRL+ALT+F2 and change it, but I don't know the command/s
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> Keanu73: ifconfig | grep -i hwa
[17:03] <sthulb> Sorry, I cleared because my ssh connection screwed upppp
[17:04] <sthulb> Could you repeat that?
[17:04] <Keanu73> http://prntscr.com/328lr6
[17:05] <Keanu73> see the picture
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> Keanu73: yes, why do we need that?
[17:05] <Keanu73> for proof
[17:05] <Keanu73> pictures are for proof
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> Keanu73: proof of waht?
[17:05] <Keanu73> well, showing what the computer name should be and the router i'm using
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> Keanu73: the command I gave will give the Ethernet address of the card, you need this for wake on lan
[17:06] <Keanu73> err...
[17:06] <Keanu73> but the computer is powered off
[17:06] <Keanu73> I want it to be switched on..
[17:06] <sthulb> Hey, I'm trying to install 13.10 on a MacBook Pro 8,2, but when I try to either: Try ubuntu or install ubuntu options from the grub menu, I get a black screen and just the bongo sound
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> Keanu73: yes but if your bios supports wake on lan it will power on
[17:06] <Keanu73> oh..
[17:06] <Keanu73> oh wait
[17:06] <Keanu73> I think my PC doesn't support it
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> Keanu73: you do realise systems still use power when they are off
[17:07] <seednode> Not once I unplug it!
[17:07] <seednode> But then WoL breaks
[17:07] <seednode> For some reason
[17:07] <Keanu73> xD
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> seednode: well yeah...
[17:07] <llutz> seednode: stupid wol
[17:07] <seednode> But yeah, for WoL to work, it needs to draw enough power to keep NIC functional
[17:07] <seednode> Which can be admittedly a small amount, but it does need it
[17:07] <Keanu73> but my windows laptop supports wake-on-lan I think
[17:08] <reisio> most boxes support wake-on-lan
[17:08] <Keanu73> oh well
[17:08]  * Keanu73 stands at attention
[17:08] <Keanu73> hmm freenode staff?
[17:08] <seednode> What?
[17:08] <reisio> Keanu73: #freenode
[17:09] <Keanu73> no..
[17:09] <Keanu73> "yano (~yano@freenode/staff/yano) has joined"
[17:09] <Keanu73> ^
[17:09] <seednode> There are, in fact, some freenode staff
[17:09] <Keanu73> ah
[17:09] <seednode> Though even if I was one, I wouldn't want to use a hostmask
[17:09] <seednode> I like showing off my IPv6 to the world
[17:10] <Keanu73> well, just be careful
[17:10] <Keanu73> hackers could DDoS your IP
[17:10] <Keanu73> and you'll lose internet if you get DDoSed
[17:10] <Keanu73> you have to unplug your router quickly
[17:10] <seednode> I do know how denial of service works, but thanks mate :D
[17:10] <Keanu73> yw
[17:10] <Keanu73> so just go into #freenode and get a unaffiliated cloa
[17:10] <Keanu73> *cloak
[17:11] <Keanu73> that'll protect you
[17:11] <seednode> Nah, it's all good
[17:11] <seednode> I like my v6
[17:11] <ytw> don't you also get DDoS'd by the fact you unplugged the cable from router?
[17:11] <seednode> ytw, well
[17:11] <seednode> Then you're just DoSed
[17:11] <seednode> No longer DDoS
[17:11] <Keanu73> once someone in #roblox was gonna DDoS one of CyberGhost's London servers
[17:11] <seednode> And it's not 100%, as you'd still have lan traffic
[17:11] <seednode> Also, we're getting OT
[17:12] <seednode> Should move to #ubuntu-offtopic if continuing
[17:12] <Keanu73> oops
[17:12] <Keanu73> wrong channel
[17:16] <sandman13> how to update the system via commandline just after installing ubuntu
[17:17] <seednode> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:17] <llutz> sandman13: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:17] <seednode> Oh, right, you could do that
[17:17] <seednode> But is it likely he'd need to run dist-upgrade right after install?
[17:18] <seednode> apt isn't really my main package manager, not really sure what dist-upgrade is needed for
[17:18] <llutz> seednode: man apt-get
[17:18] <seednode> But
[17:18] <seednode> Not running a system with apt right now :D
[17:18] <mickskitz> im just looking for some help with installing ubuntu 13.10 (64bit) to dual boot with windows 8.1 and have had a couple issues
[17:18] <sandman13> dist-upgrade upgrade the distro?
[17:18] <m7a> Hello, does anyone here know how to restart gunicorn when their server restarted?
[17:18] <seednode> sandman13, you'd think so, from the command
[17:18] <seednode> but I want someone to confirm
[17:19] <sandman13> i installed Ubuntu 13.10
[17:19] <llutz> seednode: easy thing http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get
[17:19] <seednode> Ta
[17:19] <seednode> Ah, intelligent dependency handling
[17:19] <llutz> sandman13: dist-upgrade will _not_ upgrade to a newer distro-version
[17:20] <seednode> So, is it recommended to always use dist-upgrade over upgrade?
[17:21] <llutz> seednode: if you want all your existing stuff being updated, yes
[17:21] <seednode> k
[17:21] <seednode> Will include that in future advice
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> seednode: I do an upgrade then dist-upgrade
[17:21] <llutz> seednode: upgrade wouldn't update a package, when the newer version would need to install a new dependency (not installed before)
[17:21] <seednode> Alright
[17:21] <seednode> TIL
[17:23] <llutz> s/when/if/ *
[17:23] <sandman13> first message greeted by ubuntu "Software Updater closed unexpectedly"
[17:23] <seednode> welp
[17:24] <__sjh> i installed 13.04 on an old laptop last night, it is not a nice experience any more!
[17:25] <Artemis3> __sjh, try xubuntu instead :)
[17:25] <sandman13> i get too many error of this kind is this normal?
[17:27] <seednode> I suppose I should probably run ubuntu in a VM or something
[17:28] <seednode> Instead of being here even though last time I used ubuntu was feisty
[17:32] <__sjh> Artemis3, just might do that later, it was on a friends retired laptop which is only wanted for a music box, unity was slow as molasses!
[17:32] <__sjh> i installed the gnome-fallback-session and no real improvement!
[17:32] <Artemis3> __sjh, also check lubuntu
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> __sjh: try Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[17:33] <hamid88> hi everybody first I installed ubuntu beside widows7 with using "usb universal" and booting system thats Ok. but afterwards I needed to try other distributions. and system dont boot up with usb for trying other distribution. May it involve withpervious ubuntu that I installed
[17:33] <__sjh> thanks both, is it possible convert the existing ubuntu install?
[17:34] <__sjh> lubuntu seems to be mostly lxde but i assume there is more to it than that?
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> __sjh: install lxde package, log off, log in to LXDE session
[17:36] <evilbug> why would a computer running 13.04 automatically restart itself a few minutes after it's been shut down.
[17:37] <dgarstang> is there any way to easily rollback a deb pkg install?
[17:38] <usr13> evilbug: Why would any computer automatically restart itself a few minutes after it's been shut down?
[17:38] <usr13> evilbug: (I do not think it is a Ubuntu question.)
[17:39] <Artemis3> __sjh, the whole thing is called "lubuntu-desktop" instead of just lxde ;)
[17:39] <usr13> hamid88: Not a Ubuntu issue.
[17:39] <Artemis3> __sjh, but that will leave a lot of redundant ubuntu packages
[17:40] <usr13> dgarstang: Yea,  dpkg
[17:40] <__sjh> Artemis3, I'll give it a look, if its a pig then its going in the bin :)
[17:40] <Artemis3> __sjh, fresh install, or live image could be worth trying
[17:41] <usr13> dgarstang: -r or -P
[17:41] <dgarstang> usr13: rolling back is not easy
[17:41] <dgarstang> usr13: you can't have two versions of the same package installed at once
[17:42] <usr13> dgarstang: Sometimes you can, sonetimes you can't (usually, you have to remove existing one first).
[17:44] <usr13> dgarstang: Actually, I think dpkg has something in the way of a downgrade option
[17:45] <usr13> dgarstang: See man dpkg
[17:46] <usr13> dgarstang: But, it "will not warn you if the downgrade breaks the dependency of some other package. This can have serious side effects, downgrading essential system components can even make  your  whole system unusable. Use with care."
[17:46] <evilbug> usr13: i know but just ruling out stuff.
[17:47] <usr13> evilbug: Ok
[17:49] <Barcelona1937>  ei good day i got a problem with authentication Theft Deterrent Agent in ubuntu(magallanes)... i not got by default this agent live in icon notiffications....? someone could helpme a bit?
[17:49] <usr13> dgarstang: I suppose the above warning may not always be all that relevant and in most cases, if there is a dependency miss-match / problem, the app just won't work, or wont run properly.
[17:50] <hawkins> irc.smashthestack.org
[17:51] <jjavaholic> what font is used in the span tags in the help.ubuntu.com pages?: an example http://imgur.com/jwuKBRw
[17:51] <seednode> My poor eyes...
[17:52] <jjavaholic> it is totally illegible on my machine
[17:52] <usr13> evilbug: It is a hardware problem. I would suspect an issue with the MB. I would clean it up and look for bulging caps.  (Make sure your system is not overheating, (overheating causes sensitive electronic components to fail).
[17:52] <seednode> Pretty sure that's your font settings
[17:52] <seednode> And not the website's
[17:52] <seednode> Here, jjavaholic, link me that page, and I'll show you it on my machine
[17:52] <jjavaholic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[17:53] <seednode> Yeah, that's your settings
[17:53] <seednode> What browser?
[17:53] <seednode> http://i.imgur.com/kQ3oRVV.png
[17:53] <Artemis3> usr13, the psu failing can also do the same
[17:54] <usr13> evilbug: As Artemis3 suggests, it could also be the power supply
[17:54] <seednode> jjavaholic, go to your browser's content settings, and check its default monospaced font
[17:54] <linuxgeek_> would anyone know if this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1012629 is fixed in precise 12.04.4. in the end, there is a note to fix in trusty.
[17:55] <jjavaholic> does anyone want to suggest a decent font for monospaced font
[17:55] <seednode> jjavaholic, terminus
[17:55] <seednode> That and inconsolata are my favorites
[17:55] <usr13> evilbug: And you could test the power supply theory by unplugging the power switch cable from the MB
[17:56] <seednode> Or if you don't like as terminal-looking, droid sans mono and plain monospace look nice
[17:57] <usr13> evilbug: (If it restarts on it's own without the power switch wires plugged into the MB, then it's more-than-likely the psu
[17:58] <jjavaholic> I don't think it is picking up the font I have selected
[17:58] <seednode> What browser
[17:58] <jjavaholic> what font would it default to in that scenario?
[17:58] <jjavaholic> firefox
[17:58] <seednode> It defaults to fonts tagged as monospace
[17:58] <seednode> But not sure where the fonts your pic showed come from
[17:59] <seednode> As none of those seem to even be on my machine
[17:59] <skinofstars> hey all. anyone know about default precise ami's on aws not responding to pings, and how one might enable ping?
[18:00] <jjavaholic> that is the font I had selected for all my brower fonts: http://www.searchfreefonts.com/free/ahnberghand.htm
[18:00] <usr13> skinofstars: iptables -L
[18:00] <seednode> enable ping?
[18:00] <seednode> Oh
[18:01] <usr13> skinofstars: iptables -L |pastebinit  #And we will look with you.
[18:01] <seednode> Wait, you piped in a statement, and then added poundsign
[18:01] <skinofstars> usr13: thanks
[18:01] <jay> witam
[18:01] <seednode> I mean, makes copying easier, I suppose
[18:02] <skinofstars> usr13: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7121142/
[18:03] <raj__> while installing tomcat with apt-get it does not recongnize my installed oracle java(installed by downloading tar from oracle site), but on another system it recognizes the oracle java installed by webup8 ppa, so how do I make my manual oracle java installation be recognized by tomcat ?
[18:04] <usr13> skinofstars: sudo grep icmp /etc/ufw/before.rules
[18:04] <OerHeks> raj__, see the java documentation howto set oracle java as standard
[18:04] <OerHeks> !java
[18:05] <usr13> skinofstars: sudo grep icmp /etc/ufw/before.rules |pastebinit
[18:05] <jjavaholic> I have never understood why it the jdk also goes by the SDK acronym as well
[18:06] <usr13> skinofstars: Wait, from where are you trying to ping it?
[18:06] <usr13> skinofstars: What do you mean by "ami"?
[18:06] <skinofstars> usr13: setting up a load balancer
[18:07] <skinofstars> usr13: amazon machine image, as supplied by canonical
[18:07] <usr13> skinofstars: And you are pinging from _______________?
[18:08] <usr13> skinofstars: Or, unable to ping from _________________?
[18:10] <skinofstars> usr13: i am ping from local machine to diagnose why elb ping health check is failing. ping from local loses packets
[18:11] <biaxs> .xchat2/budus.so
[18:13] <Barcelona1937> how intall Theft Deterrent Agent on ubuntu 12.04
[18:13] <Barcelona1937> ?
[18:18] <usr13> skinofstars: (was away for a few minutes...)  Okay, that's strange.  Can you show us some of the ping result?  Pastebinit?
[18:18] <usr13> skinofstars: ping -c5 localhost |pastebinit
[18:19] <sunny_slls> hello everybody
[18:19] <sunny_slls> After updating to ubuntu 12.04 my hard drive is not getting detected
[18:19] <sunny_slls> nor every my smart phone in media storage mode
[18:20] <garyis2me> This is my last time to post  here,  simply because no one has ever acted like they have a clue as to help me to get my printer to work in Ubuntu 13.10.   My printer is a Brother MFC-295cn
[18:21] <usr13> skinofstars: If I had to guess, I think I would call it a hardware issue.  Ive seen networks fail, not that often, but I've not noticed the process, (any anomilies leading up to failure).
[18:21] <usr13> I mean network interfaces, not "networks"
[18:21] <skinofstars> usr13: i think i've found the issue and it isn't directly ping related
[18:21] <skinofstars> usr13: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7121241/
[18:22] <usr13> skinofstars: Ok, I'm curious...
[18:22] <sunny_slls> does hard drive doesn't get detected in ubuntu 12.04 version ?
[18:22] <skinofstars> so that pasty has two bits in it. 1: result of suggested local ping seems fine. 2: server logs showing it being pinged by the health checker
[18:23] <skinofstars> usr13: interestingly, aws health checks aren't using a real ping
[18:23] <usr13> skinofstars: Ok, I'm looking at it, but not sure what I'm looking at....
[18:23] <skinofstars> usr13: first bit shows localhost responding to pings
[18:24] <skinofstars> usr13: second, you're probably less interested in, but anyway, it shows server log responding to health checker, whcih was my initial issue
[18:25] <skinofstars> usr13: and was failing because it's redirecting
[18:25] <skinofstars> usr13: anyway, i'm happy i can sort it now. thanks for you time
[18:25] <usr13> skinofstars: Yea, it pings 4 times and then....?  (What about the 5th one, and the ping results...)
[18:25] <lmat> I'm looking at the package 'compiz' and 'compiz-gnome'. Do they rely on 'libwayland0' ?
[18:26] <skinofstars> usr13: hah, i probably just didn't copy it :)
[18:26] <skinofstars> usr13: 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 2997ms
[18:27] <usr13> skinofstars: How could that be?  -c5 ?????
[18:27] <usr13> skinofstars: I was going to suggest you ping 127.0.0.1
[18:27] <sysadmin__> hey there, anyone up to help me to load the correct drivers for my VGA?
[18:28] <usr13> skinofstars: Or your NIC's assigned IP address.
[18:28] <usr13> sysadmin__: lspci | pastebinit
[18:29] <usr13> sysadmin__: (... and show us resulting URL ....)
[18:29] <sysadmin__> usr13:   01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF114 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti] (rev a1)
[18:30] <usr13> sysadmin__: So, as it stands, you are running the OpenSource driver.  Right?
[18:31] <sysadmin__> usr13: it's telling me Driver Unknown on the GUI
[18:31] <usr13> sysadmin__: lsmod |grep nouveau
[18:31] <lupinIII> Hey guys I am looking for help with installing ubuntu along side of windows 8 with UEFI
[18:32] <hellrazor> hi there
[18:32] <sysadmin__> usr13: http://pastebin.com/EhEaRWKN
[18:32] <usr13> !uefi | lupinIII
[18:33] <lupinIII> I've tried some of the steps mentioned in there with no success
[18:33] <hellrazor> is there an easy way do set up a raid1 in an already running ubuntu system with full disk encryption via luks??
[18:33] <usr13> sysadmin__: Ok, as I suspected, you are running the [correct] opensource driver nouveau at this time.  So, what you want to do is install Nvidia's prpoprietary driver.  Is that right?
[18:34] <lupinIII> i disabled secure boot, tried setting bios to efi and legacy, and i cannot even get ubuntu to boot
[18:34] <lupinIII> one time with trial and error, i got ubuntu to finally boot but it didn't show my 2nd hard drive which i wanted to install ubuntu onto
[18:35] <lupinIII> i made an empty partition on the 2nd hard drive of 100gb but when i went to install it showed it at the full 750gb HD not partitioned
[18:36] <usr13> sysadmin__:  lsb_release -d   #What does that say?
[18:37] <sysadmin__> usr13: I had the integrated HD3000 chip before, now I installed a PCI express VGA and I see that when I drag some windows I see like the window split in two, like if the process of creating the image were delayed
[18:37] <sysadmin__> usr13:  Ubuntu 12.10
[18:38] <usr13> sysadmin__:  fully updated?
[18:38] <sysadmin__> usr13: yessir
[18:38] <usr13> sysadmin__: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:38] <wheatthin> sysadmin__, which video card did you get?
[18:39] <sysadmin__> wheatthin: GeForce GTX 560 Ti Hawk
[18:39] <wheatthin> sysadmin__, You'll want to install the nvidia driver
[18:39] <wheatthin> !nvidia
[18:40] <wheatthin> sysadmin__, once you install it, it'll run through dkms and set everything up automatically
[18:40] <wheatthin> followed by a restart
[18:40] <sysadmin__> wheatthin: so I didnt have this problem before cause I was using the ATI HD3000 gpu?
[18:40] <wheatthin> yup, it'll update xorg file n stuff
[18:41] <sysadmin__> wheatthin: I never remember if it was ATI or NVIDIA to suck with linux
[18:41] <wheatthin> ati unfortunately
[18:41] <wheatthin> well opencl is easy to get working anywho :P
[18:41] <wheatthin> I'm on hd 5450, which is ati, and it's working smoothly.. only 256mb of ram
[18:44] <usr13> wheatthin: Yea, could probably just delete the xorg.conf file for now.
[18:45] <usr13> wheatthin: A new one will be created anyway, but if you have an xorg.conf file while running nouveau, it should be done away with.
[18:46] <hellrazor> how can set up a raid1 in an already running ubuntu system with full disk encryption via luks??
[18:46] <wheatthin> hellrazor, did you try google?
[18:46] <usr13> wheatthin: .. but if you are using both cards, you may need it.
[18:46] <wheatthin> or ask ubuntu?
[18:46] <wheatthin> usr13, not me, sysadmin__  :)
[18:47] <usr13> wheatthin: Oh, sorry, (I jumped the track)...
[18:47] <hellrazor> wheatthin, i did google a lot of stuff about, but i am unsure of how to make the new configuration work properly (mdadm.conf mtab etc..)
[18:48] <sysadmin__> usr13: I cannot use both because HD3000 is integrated on the CPU... but I might wanna to go back and remove the VGA
[18:49] <usr13> sysadmin__: Ok.
[18:58] <gingey> hi all, I'm trying to use openvas command line (omp) and having some major issues.  I am using the command omp -h 127.0.0.1 -p 9390 -u <username> -w <password> -C -n test -t <ipToScan>, but I'm getting nowhere.  Anyone got anything?
[19:04] <jjavaholic> this: http://i.imgur.com/jwuKBRw.png happens in firefox and chrome must be something wrong with my systemwide font settings
[19:04] <OerHeks> jjavaholic, looks oke, just a nice handwriting font
[19:04] <raub> So, from what I read in the update-ca-certificates man page, if I add/delete a cert to /usr/share/ca-certificates, how can I verify if it has been added/deleted once I run update-ca-certificates
[19:05] <usr13> !omp | gingey
[19:05] <saiarcot895> Did someone pull the trigger for 14.04 a little early? I got a notification that 14.04 is available
[19:06] <jjavaholic> I can't read the commands span content is that just me?
[19:06] <bprompt> jjavaholic:   it happens on a specific url or on any url whatsoever?
[19:07] <jjavaholic> I don't know of any other example
[19:07] <jjavaholic> that uses spans like the help.ubuntu.com pages do
[19:07] <c_korn> hello, why does `dlocate -md5check libkeyutils1` tell me "Package libkeyutils1 not installed or has no md5sums." (it is installed definitely)
[19:08] <jjavaholic> all the help.ubuntu.com pages with commands on both firefox and chrome browsers
[19:10] <lmat> c_korn: How definitely ?
[19:10] <lmat> c_korn: dpkg --get-selections | grep -i libkeyutils | wc -l    ?
[19:10] <c_korn> lmat: 1
[19:11] <bprompt> jjavaholic:    so other urls work fine?
[19:11] <c_korn> ii  libkeyutils1                         1.5.2-2                           Linux Key Management Utilities (library) <-- to be exact
[19:11] <jjavaholic> I might look at the css and see if I have to overwrite it
[19:11] <mmiller13> Does anyone knows why my network card keeps disconnecting from it's wireless connection? I've switched to wicd, even downgraded the driver and i'm still getting disconnected
[19:12] <jjavaholic> but that'll only work in firefox
[19:12] <mmiller13> After the disconnect the wireless signal decreased and the only way to connect is a reboot.
[19:12] <jjavaholic> it is the only page I know that uses span tags
[19:12] <bprompt> jjavaholic:     could just be some ADDON or EXTENSION you installed that maybe acting awry
[19:13] <jjavaholic> I have cut down on the addon extension this is a newly installed overwrite of 13.10
[19:13] <bprompt> jjavaholic:    that is, for the browser, nothing wrong with your font settings necessarily
[19:13] <jjavaholic> you would think little could go wrong
[19:13] <OerHeks> mmiller13, some wlan adapters do not work well in N mode, trottle back to wireless B/G
[19:14] <rallyone> Why am I getting this error message?
[19:14] <rallyone> Here is the screenshot
[19:14] <rallyone> http://i.imgur.com/kcQPbVA.jpg
[19:15] <rallyone> it happens every time I try to install GIMP
[19:15] <lmat> c_korn: Well, can't argue with that ^_^
[19:15] <nami> hi
[19:15] <lmat> c_korn: I'll guess that it doesn't have any checksums then :)
[19:16] <lmat> nami: NOOO!!!
[19:17] <c_korn> lmat: sorry, reconnect. your command's output is 1
[19:18] <lmat> c_korn: yup, got that :)
[19:18] <lmat> c_korn: I'm going to guess that there are no keys then ^_^
[19:20] <c_korn> lmat: but there is a MD5SUMS file in here: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/k/keyutils/libkeyutils1_1.5.5-7_amd64.deb
[19:20] <b1g3m> 14.04 3 year support now?
[19:20] <jjavaholic> I can't find the id css line-1-2 selector on help.ubuntu.com binarydriverhowto page
[19:20] <lmat> c_korn: So it's not looking there...
[19:20] <k1l> b1g3m: no. 5 years
[19:20] <Naphatul> does 13.10 not have workspaces by default?
[19:21] <lmat> nami: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[19:21] <b1g3m> k1l: thanks
[19:21] <lmat> Naphatul: What's a workspace ? Is it what lesser men might call a "desktop" ?
[19:21] <Naphatul> lmat, yes same thing virtual desktops
[19:23] <Naphatul> so?
[19:23] <lmat> Naphatul: I don't use ubuntu 13...sorry
[19:24] <phunyguy> b1g3m: for Ubuntu, I am pretty sure it is 5 years, but not for every variant, like Xubuntu, and the like.  I know Xubuntu only does a 3 year LTS.
[19:24] <jjavaholic> the only thing I see in the screen.css for help.ubuntu.com page is font-family: monospace; ??
[19:25] <reisio> jjavaholic: is that a question?
[19:25] <jjavaholic> how does that explain: http://i.imgur.com/jwuKBRw.png
[19:27] <reisio> jjavaholic: UbuntuMono, courier, monospace
[19:28] <reisio> your UbuntuMono copy or whatever the browser is using for it is probably far out
[19:28] <Naphatul> what's the reasoning behind disabling workspaces in 13.10?
[19:28] <Naphatul> it's disabled by default
[19:28] <mmiller13> Does anyone knows why my network card keeps disconnecting from it's wireless connection? I've switched to wicd, even downgraded the driver and i'm still getting disconnected
[19:28] <mmiller13> After the disconnect the wireless signal decreased and the only way to connect is a reboot.
[19:28] <jjavaholic> far out?
[19:29] <ice9> how to find how much ram the graphics card is using?
[19:29] <reisio> Naphatul: ...because you can enable them if you want them?
[19:29] <seednode> Like, how much of its vRAM?
[19:29] <reisio> and most people don't even understand the concept?
[19:29] <reisio> Naphatul: probably what they were thinking
[19:30] <reisio> Naphatul: if you want something more level, use ordinary GNOME
[19:30] <reisio> or... MATE
[19:30] <reisio> or better yet Xfce
[19:30] <Naphatul> reisio, gnome is not much better in that department
[19:30] <Naphatul> i just think workspaces are a great feature why would you disable them by defualt
[19:30] <reisio> not much better is still better :p
[19:30] <jjavaholic> reisio: what did you mean by "far out"?
[19:30] <reisio> Naphatul: again, most people don't even get the notion
[19:31] <reisio> Naphatul: and might accidentally click one and be enraged :p
[19:31] <reisio> jjavaholic: inaccurate
[19:31] <mmiller13> does anyone know how to check a raid 5 for missing data
[19:31] <reisio> diff it against your backup
[19:32] <mmiller13> I think they might be data  present on my hard disk that are not represented in the raid array
[19:33] <reisio> why exactly do you have a raid array?
[19:33] <reisio> because there are sensible and less reasons to have one
[19:33] <mmiller13> I have a tower
[19:34] <reisio> a tower?
[19:34] <MooDoo> tower case!
[19:34] <mmiller13> do you have a answer to the question
[19:35] <mmiller13> why else would i have a  raid
[19:35] <bekks> mmiller13: Which kind of RAID - hw or sw?
[19:35] <reisio> having a "tower" is not really a reason to use raid
[19:36] <MooDoo> no but it allows you to put all the drives in it :D
[19:36] <mmiller13> I have a wd sharespace with a raid 5
[19:36] <reisio> "wanting to give simultaneous access to our thousands of users" would be a good reason
[19:36] <jjavaholic> software raid or hardware raid 5?
[19:36] <reisio> MooDoo: so does an ordinary lv
[19:36] <bekks> mmiller13: Then wd provides the tools used to check that.
[19:36] <mmiller13> software
[19:36] <mmiller13> Does anyone knows why my network card keeps disconnecting from it's wireless connection? I've switched to wicd, even downgraded the driver and i'm still getting disconnected
[19:37] <mmiller13> does anyone know how to check a raid 5 for missing data
[19:37] <mmiller13> I think they might be data  present on my hard disk that are not represented in the raid array
[19:37] <bekks> mmiller13: Then use the wd tools to check the wd raid.
[19:37] <jjavaholic> I don't know about ubuntu but if you are using mdraid (don't remember if this is what it is called) it has a list of options to check health of your raid
[19:38] <jjavaholic> mdadm?
[19:38] <bekks> jjavaholic: No. WD custom blackbox with a web gui.
[19:38] <mmiller13> why would they be data on the hard disk thats not being represented int the raid
[19:39] <bekks> mmiller13: Why not? Because you did not copy the data to the raid.
[19:39] <mmiller13> so is there a way to check the hard disk aginst the raid
[19:40] <mrmustard_> What's the proper way to pull in a mostly complete xorg source build via apt-get source? is there a metapackage that can grab the source for xorg xserver + extensions?
[19:40] <bekks> mmiller13: No. There are just tools to copy, like rsync.
[19:40] <jjavaholic> are you talking about a smart check?
[19:41] <bekks> jjavaholic: No. About a content check - "which files were not copied to the raid yet".
[19:41] <mmiller13> I have a tower with 4 1TB hard disk, there's some 500GB of data missing. I need too check each HD aginst the s=data in the raid in order to salvage some of the data back
[19:42] <bekks> mmiller13: Then read the answer I just gave you.
[19:42] <mmiller13> Why are you talking to me
[19:42] <mmiller13> if you don't have an answer
[19:43] <mmiller13> i'm confuse as to why your helping me without an answer?
[19:43] <bekks> mmiller13: Because you are asking. And I have an answer, which doesnt mean that you a) understand it, or b) want to look up what "rsync" is about.
[19:43] <bekks> However. I will not care about your issue anymore.
[19:45] <pedahzur> How do I found out what packages are slated for "security" updates? I see the information when I log in. If I run /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check, I see the count of each; if I run it with --package-names, I see all the packages to upgrade, but no breakdown of which are security and which are regular updates.  How can I print out just the "security" updates?
[19:46] <mmiller13> does anyone know if a channel that might be knowledgeable with technical issues with Raid setups
[19:46] <dgarstang> hm, asked this question earlier and had to run off. There's no way to easily rollback a deb pkg install is there? removing the current one and reinstalling old one isn't exactly fast as you can't normally have two versions in the same repo
[19:47] <pedahzur> mmiller13: maybe #linux?  What kind of question. Why not ask here first?
[19:48] <reisio> dgarstang: not what most people would call "easily", no
[19:48] <mmiller13> I have a raid 5 that has missing data, I need help with checking for missing data on the disk that might not be in the raid array
[19:49] <dgarstang> reisio: yah this is a problem.
[19:49] <jjavaholic> I don't think your issue is really raid related if i was you I would do the caluclations for when I think the transfer should end and then compare the source and destination mount points/folders for discrepancy in terms of files and folder counts.
[19:49] <pedahzur> mmiller13: Missing data?  You mean a deleted file? Or a file just "vanished?"  Or is a disk not in the array?
[19:49] <bekks> jjavaholic: "rsync" is the answer :)
[19:50] <reisio> dgarstang: there are a number of FSes you could use to easily create snapshots of a system
[19:50] <mmiller13> I think there is a multi disk that's not being included
[19:50] <reisio> dgarstang: or you could just setup a staging system
[19:51] <reisio> mmiller13: if you weren't using RAID, you'd not have this problem
[19:51] <sireorion> i cant install anything
[19:51] <sireorion> in terminal
[19:51] <bekks> sireorion: Why not?
[19:51] <usr13> sireorion: What seems to be the problem?
[19:52] <dgarstang> reisio: we have staging. staging isn't a replacement for rollbacks
[19:52] <usr13> sireorion: Do you get a specific error messag?  If so, share it with us.
[19:52] <dgarstang> reisio: at this point, deploying with a tarball is easier
[19:52] <dgarstang> reisio: which is kinda sad, but..
[19:52] <usr13> !paste | sireorion
[19:52] <sireorion> usr13, http://pastebin.com/PaYHrzCf
[19:52] <eddie> hello, anyone good with wine?
[19:52] <Guest24261> got a question
[19:52] <dgarstang> hehe
[19:53] <systest> what are the large, well respected public repos for 3rd party ubuntu packages?  e.g. in the CentOS world I'd be turning to places like EPEL
[19:53] <mmiller13> is there a way to check each disk outside the array to make sure that there nothing missing
[19:53] <dgarstang> my relationship with wine is terrible
[19:53] <olalonde> what does apt-get update do?
[19:53] <Guest24261> I have loaded a program and it installed correctly but now I cant find it
[19:54] <mmiller13> I might've switched from a Raid 1 to a 5 and didn't notice the data got erased
[19:54] <Cheryl_c> Just replaced the power supply on my computer. Now when I try to boot I am getting an error which says "..MBR Error3" and MBR error1
[19:54] <olalonde> Guest24621: try `which program_name` in command line
[19:54] <usr13> sireorion: Are you using any PPAs?
[19:54] <sireorion> yeap
[19:54] <sireorion> one for boot-repair
[19:55] <bekks> Cheryl_c: Was it a windows system?
[19:56] <Cheryl_c> I changed it to ubuntu a long time ago
[19:56] <bekks> Cheryl_c: Did you still have something like Acronis installed?
[19:56] <usr13> sireorion: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:56] <NahNohNeh> bekks, Cheryl_c SirCmpwn user1  hello sons
[19:56] <sireorion> and pastebin?
[19:56] <Cheryl_c> bekks: no
[19:57] <usr13> sireorion: If you get errors do  sudo apt-get -f install
[19:57] <usr13> sireorion: If that completes without errors try again,  sudo apt-get install playonlinux
[19:58] <sireorion> usr13, ok
[19:58] <usr13> sireorion:  sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get update   #And then try again.
[19:58] <bekks> Cheryl_c: Thats sounds like the windows bootloader was still active and got corrupted now. You could try to repair grub.
[19:58] <bekks> !grub2 | Cheryl_c
[19:59] <sireorion> error
[20:00] <bekks> sireorion: Which "error"?
[20:00] <usr13> sireorion: lsb_release -d
[20:00] <Cheryl_c> bekks: I thought that I disconnected the windows disk
[20:00] <bekks> Cheryl_c: Right before replacing the PSU?
[20:00] <RearAdmiralWolfy> is there anyway to disable i386 packages?
[20:00] <Cheryl_c> bekks: no, a long time ago
[20:01] <bekks> RearAdmiralWolfy: Why isnt uninstalling them enough?
[20:01] <usr13> sireorion: lsb_release -d    #Tell is what that says.
[20:01] <RearAdmiralWolfy> bekks, no, disabling them from apt
[20:01] <bekks> RearAdmiralWolfy: Why isnt uninstalling enough?
[20:02] <sireorion> usr13, http://pastebin.com/9gTaPLdH
[20:02] <bekks> RearAdmiralWolfy: Ubuntu is a multilib system, so it is intended they are enabled.
[20:02] <Scrivener> Hey gang!
[20:03] <reisio> heya scriv
[20:03] <Scrivener> I've tried looking around, and these are difficult terms to query -- I am on a Thinkpad T430 with only intel HD4000 graphics. With the Lenovo-brand dock, I am using 2 external displays as well as the laptop display.
[20:03] <Scrivener> Sometimes when I open System Settings, the two external displays stop functioning.
[20:03] <rallyone> hey guys
[20:04] <usr13> sireorion: No errors there, it said "finished"  (Färdig)
[20:04] <usr13> sireorion: Right?
[20:04] <rallyone> what does this error message in xterm mean?
[20:04] <sireorion> yeap
[20:04] <rallyone> http://i.imgur.com/kcQPbVA.jpg
[20:04] <Scrivener> They turn off, and the content moves to the laptop's display, as though I disconnected it.
[20:04] <rallyone> I got this after trying to install firefox on ubuntu
[20:04] <rallyone> http://i.imgur.com/kcQPbVA.jpg
[20:04] <Scrivener> When I open the settings again after closing it, they come back.
[20:04] <Pessimist> !ops
[20:04] <Scrivener> This can occur when I open anything that is part of the Settings menu as well, such as directly going to sound settings from the icon in the system tray.
[20:04] <Pessimist> ban rallyone please
[20:04] <usr13> sireorion: So try again,  sudo apt-get install playonlinux
[20:04] <OerHeks> rallyone, please return to #freenode with your message
[20:05] <Scrivener> I concur with Pessimist
[20:05] <seednode> What just happened
[20:05] <sireorion> usr13, http://pastebin.com/KCK9Rtx0
[20:05] <Scrivener> Rallynode linked porn
[20:05] <Scrivener> With his question
[20:05] <seednode> Ah
[20:05] <seednode> Thanks
[20:06] <reisio> Scrivener: sweet
[20:06] <reisio> aw, I don't see any link from him
[20:06] <reisio> oh there
[20:06] <Pici> lets move on...
[20:06] <Scrivener> Yeah really.
[20:07] <MooDoo> iios
[20:07] <MooDoo> oops
[20:07] <reisio> ew, you could've said what genre it was :/
[20:07] <usr13> sireorion: Is this a 64bit system?
[20:07] <sireorion> yes
[20:07] <Scrivener> So does anyone have familiarity with an issue if external displays ceasing to function sometimes when opening the System Settings menu?
[20:07] <Jonnyw2k> I dont get UEFI/Secure Boot :/
[20:07] <Scrivener> Or perhaps have some good search terms for me?
[20:07] <Scrivener> Mine didn't get me anything related when I shopped around.
[20:08] <usr13> sireorion: sudo apt-get install -f playonlinux
[20:08] <usr13> sireorion: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=28112
[20:08] <sireorion> usr13, same error
[20:09] <Pessimist> Scrivener, opening it shouldn't effect anything if it's properly programmed. You can upload Xorg.0.log and we may spot the errors you are having
[20:09] <usr13> sireorion: apt-get policy wine
[20:09] <usr13> sireorion: What does ^^^^^ say?
[20:10] <Scrivener> Pessimist, will do
[20:10] <sireorion> usr13, broken pakage
[20:10] <sireorion> usr13, i opend the url...should i edit?
[20:10] <Pessimist> Scrivener, does it really happen *only* when you are opening it?
[20:11] <usr13> sireorion: apt-cache policy wine-unstable
[20:11] <usr13> sireorion: It looks to me like a key dependency is "wine-unstable"  and you do not have it and can't get it with the repositories you have.
[20:12] <sireorion> usr13,  ok
[20:12] <usr13> sireorion: apt-cache policy wine-unstable |grep Candidate
[20:12] <Scrivener> Pessimist, yes, opening the System Settings menu, or the Sound settings (which are inside System Settings)...
[20:12] <Scrivener> And worse, it doesn't happen *consistently*, just sometimes when it's opened.
[20:13] <usr13> sireorion: I have never installed playonlinux, nor have I installed wine-unstable so I dono...
[20:13] <Scrivener> Pessimist, so I can paste this, how can I quickly send the log to the clipboard at the CLI?
[20:13] <sireorion> usr13,  damn
[20:13] <Scrivener> In return, have my favorite alias: alias please='sudo $(history -p !-1)'
[20:13] <Scrivener> Saves time.
[20:14] <Pessimist> Scrivener, I like this: <command> | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[20:14] <Pessimist> Scrivener, you can make yourself an alias too :)
[20:14] <usr13> sireorion: see:  https://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu
[20:16] <usr13> sireorion: I have to warn you though, that the PPA's that you install from can [and usually do] cause problems with the package management system in the future, so just remember what you've done so that you can undo it later on.
[20:17] <sireorion> ok i have the ppa adress
[20:17] <usr13> sireorion: Okeydokey, you should be good to go...
[20:18] <sireorion> usr13, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair
[20:18] <sireorion> shoud i remove it?
[20:18] <sireorion> can it fix it?
[20:22] <Scrivener> Pessimist, http://pastebin.com/H4KPaJEa
[20:22] <sireorion> usr13, hod do i remove "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair"
[20:22] <Scrivener> Finally. I spent a lot of time trying to deal with clipboards and vim... just opened it in Sublime and did Select All :P
[20:23] <Scrivener> Er, and if that didn't work, try again. I had to do the spam captcha.
[20:24] <sireorion> how do i remove an ppa
[20:25] <Pessimist> sireorion, there is a program called ppa-remove (iirc) or (advanced) you can remove the packages you installed from that ppa, edit your sources.list and apt-get update
[20:25] <OerHeks> sireorion, ppa -purge
[20:25] <vusie> sireorion: DO YOU HAVE SYNAPTIC PACKAGE MANAGER?
[20:25] <OerHeks> !ppapugre
[20:25] <OerHeks> !ppa-pugre
[20:25] <Pessimist> Scrivener, do you have a Xorg.conf?
[20:25] <sireorion> i dont know
[20:26] <Pessimist> !ppapurge
[20:26] <OerHeks> thanks Pessimist
[20:26] <Scrivener> Pessimist, sireorion you can also edit PPAs in the Software & Updates tab "Other Software"
[20:26] <Scrivener> At least if you're looking at what I'm looking at.
[20:26] <Scrivener> Pessimist, lemme check
[20:26] <Pessimist> Scrivener, but that doesn't remove packages from the ppas you uncheck afaik
[20:27] <sireorion> ok
[20:27] <Scrivener> Pessimist, nope
[20:27] <Scrivener> I do not have an Xorg.conf
[20:29] <Layke> If I install the final beta 14.04 next week, will I be able to upgrade it to 14.04 LTS in april?
[20:29] <Pessimist> Scrivener, weird. You have a bunch of 'switch to mode AxB@Hz' in Xorg.0.log though
[20:29] <Pessimist> Layke, yes, just upgrade the packages and soon your system will get oficially 'tagged' as 14.04
[20:29] <freddo> Hey folks i'm after some advice on what virtualisation option to go for. I have high spec i7/16gig decent ram. Looking to run smb server, apache/dev server and a pbx in the client boxes :)
[20:30] <Squarism> hey, is there some graphical version of less avaiable? Like a reader of sorts with the speed and lightness of less?
[20:30] <freddo> I'm fine with linux but no clue on virtualisaiton options
[20:30] <Layke> okay great.. I'm delaying buying a new system to ditch my 12.04
[20:30] <seednode> Squarism, why do you need graphical less?
[20:30] <Scrivener> Pessimist, well a "$ sudo find / -name Xorg.conf" revealed nothing.
[20:30] <Scrivener> Should I do a fuzzier search?
[20:31] <Squarism> seednode, i want to copy stuff from a log file... with less i need to mark page, copy paste, pg down, repeat
[20:31] <OerHeks> Scrivener, standard you do not have a xorg.conf, make one if you need it
[20:31] <seednode> Squarism, well, I'd usually just open in gedit or something
[20:31] <seednode> And copy that way
[20:31] <Scrivener> There's /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[20:32] <seednode> Or, if it's specific lines, maybe cat into grep and append to a file
[20:32] <Pessimist> Scrivener, it's usually in /etc/X11/ (man Xorg.conf). Your Xorg.0.log shows a lot of display mode changes for some reason. Were you changing them?
[20:32] <Scrivener> I was not changing them manually, no.
[20:33] <Scrivener> I might've adjusted their positioning slightly (height and such relative to each other), but just once or twice, and this issue has persisted long before I did that.
[20:33] <seednode> Squarism, from what I can tell by what you said, opening in gedit or such and copying from there is best way
[20:34] <Pessimist> Scrivener, what's the output of xrandr?
[20:35] <Squarism> seednode, oh ok thanks... i guess that works. I wonder if its good for enormous files though? By the organization of gedit UI i assume whoever made it isnt very bright
[20:35] <seednode> Heh
[20:35] <Squarism> ...so im a bit reluctant on embracing it
[20:35] <Scrivener> Pessimist, http://pastebin.com/Gs5U9VZC
[20:35] <Scrivener> There you go!
[20:36] <seednode> Squarism, try a different text editor, then
[20:36] <Squarism> seednode, any good ideas? Im clueless
[20:37] <Squarism> ...on the "lightweight" / handles enormous files department
[20:38] <sireorion> http://pastebin.com/8RY7veMH
[20:38] <reisio> Squarism: Vim :)
[20:38] <Pessimist> Scrivener, do you know the command to open the 'system settings' application? Try running it from the terminal and see if it drops any error messages. I'm really out of ideas :) As the final solution you can try filling a bug report
[20:38] <Squarism> nothing post 1982?  =D
[20:38] <Pessimist> Scrivener, or try 14.04 and see if the behaviour persists
[20:39] <Scrivener> I don't know the command, but I'll find it ;)
[20:40] <Pessimist> Scrivener, be sure to try 14.04 and see if the behaviour persists before filling a bug report
[20:43] <Scrivener> Pessimist, I might be moving back to Arch or Mint soon before I get a chance to try out 14.04, but I'll keep that in mind.
[20:44] <Scrivener> I like Unity's global menu and some of the window navigation functionality, but I recently changed my workflow to use Synapse + Docky instead of the Unity launcher/dash.
[20:44] <Scrivener> If I can get similar navigation in another distro I think I'll be hopping :)
[20:44] <seednode> If a form of navigation is available in one distro
[20:44] <seednode> As a rule of thumb, it can be achieved in any
[20:45] <seednode> Though with varying levels of effort to get there
[20:45] <Scrivener> seednode, can be achieved, yeah, but this may just be an integral part of Unity.
[20:45] <Pessimist> Scrivener, some user is maintaining a repo called "Unity-for-Arch" -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/unity#From_repository_.28recommended.29 :)
[20:45] <Scrivener> And it's not worth the effort for me to try to pull that out by itself.
[20:45] <seednode> I suppose
[20:45] <PoppaVic> OK, quick question: making a clean install, want to create an ISO and bootable stick. What program creates this ISO nicely?
[20:45] <Scrivener> By far out of my area of expertise, which is mainly in AWS/systems admin stuff.
[20:45] <reisio> PoppaVic: from what OS?
[20:45] <seednode> Scrivener, well, if you do want to do that sometime
[20:46] <PoppaVic> 12.04
[20:46] <seednode> Let me know
[20:46] <reisio> PoppaVic: unetbootin is pretty intuitive
[20:46] <PoppaVic> res\\\\\\ok, thanks
[20:46] <reisio> PoppaVic: I'd use 'dd', but there's a greater element of danger
[20:46] <Scrivener> Pessimist, Unity for Arch does seem neat, but I primarily want to pull a couple pieces of it out while leaving the launcher and dash out of the picture. Primarily just the window spreading, workspace switching stuff.
[20:46] <PoppaVic> yeah, I want monkey-simple
[20:46] <Scrivener> The parts that are least recognizable as Unity, I guess :P
[20:46] <reisio> PoppaVic: unetbootin is a pretty ordinary gui app :)
[20:47] <Scrivener> I can hide the launcher and set sensitivity to 0 so it doesn't show, but it's still there and applications seem to minimize over to it.
[20:47] <PoppaVic> Good deal, I want to insure I can reinstall with baseline apps regardless of my idiot lappy-dejour
[20:48] <Pessimist> PoppaVic, you download the iso from ubuntu.com and then write it to a usb stick :) there are various programs. If you do that from a GNU/Linux system I would recommend you to use `dd` but it's your choice.
[20:48] <Scrivener> As well, I can disable super-tapping for the dash, but that's still there.
[20:48] <seednode> What does it say about me that I find i3 considerably more intuitive than unity
[20:48] <Scrivener> I was thinking of investigating it with Cinnamon.
[20:48] <PoppaVic> Pessimist, thanks
[20:48] <Scrivener> seednode, I haven't honestly used it, but I've heard great things.
[20:48] <reisio> seednode: that you don't understand what 'intuitive' means
[20:48] <reisio> seednode: that you prefer it says that you are quite sensible, though :p
[20:48] <seednode> reisio, nothing in unity is where I think it would be
[20:48] <Scrivener> Isn't i3 just really extensible/customizable?
[20:48] <seednode> am I misunderstanding "intuitive"?
[20:48] <reisio> magic things happening after keystrokes is not remotely intuitive
[20:49] <reisio> intuitive is what a monkey would expect to happen
[20:49] <seednode> Maybe my intuition has changed after 15 years of working mainly in CLI
[20:49] <seednode> :P
[20:49] <Scrivener> Well, "intuitive" in the sense of UI tends to mean -- yeah.
[20:49] <reisio> you peel a banana, it's full of fruit
[20:49] <seednode> reisio, that's not intuitive, per se
[20:49] <Scrivener> You hit keystrokes and what you innately expected, with no foreknowledge, happens.
[20:49] <Scrivener> Like "Oh well that makes perfect sense that it did that"
[20:49] <reisio> not you press CTRL+ALT+b, and you are fed a banana by a robot
[20:49] <seednode> They have ages of behavioral tendencies leading to that
[20:49] <seednode> So then intuitive varies by species
[20:49] <seednode> And by background
[20:49] <Scrivener> Oh dear.
[20:49] <Scrivener> Anyway, what do you like about i3, seednode?
[20:49] <reisio> intuitive only has anything to do with extremely common shortcuts
[20:50] <reisio> ctrl+c should copy, +v should paste, etc.
[20:50] <seednode> reisio, alright, we'll play by your rules today
[20:50] <reisio> tiling wms are very much the minority
[20:50] <reisio> seednode: MUAHAHAH
[20:50] <seednode> But "Ctrl+v" is not in any way intuitive by your definition
[20:50] <seednode> since a monkey would not expect hitting "Control" and "v" to paste something
[20:50] <reisio> it is, since it's so common
[20:50] <Scrivener> I myself like a minimal, nice-looking graphical environment that I can still interact with by keystroke.
[20:50] <seednode> So, it's by background, again
[20:50] <Scrivener> But I have yet to try a WM.
[20:50] <seednode> And I was right
[20:50] <seednode> :D
[20:50] <reisio> seednode: a monkey living in this society would :p
[20:50] <seednode> I don't live in your society
[20:50] <reisio> lucky
[20:50] <sunny_slls> hey, when i do lsusb command. it shows external hard drive attached in ubuntu 12.04 but the drive doesn't get mounted
[20:50] <sunny_slls> how can i mount my hard drive ?
[20:51] <seednode> But okay, fine, I'll rephrase to match your ideas
[20:51] <seednode> i3 is more ergonomic, and efficient
[20:51] <Scrivener> sunny_slls, if you try "$ls /dev/sd*, what shows up?
[20:52] <Scrivener> "$ls /dev/sd*" (no quotes) rather
[20:52] <seednode> And Scrivener, what I like about it is that it does what I tell it to do, instantly
[20:53] <seednode> There's no delay, no opening things I didn't tell it to, no embedded ads :P
[20:53] <sunny_slls> Scrivener, /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda6  /dev/sda8  /dev/sdb
[20:53] <Scrivener> seednode, that is always awesome
[20:53] <Pessimist> sunny_slls, it should get mounted automatically though. Maybe the filesystem is corrupt or it's ntfs and you haven't installed ntfs-3g?
[20:53] <seednode> And no noticeable resource usage
[20:53] <Scrivener> sunny_slls, now if you disconnect the drive and run that command again, what is the output?
[20:53] <seednode> But I have all the time in the world to convert you to the tiling side
[20:53] <reisio> heh
[20:53] <sunny_slls> Pessimist, previously it used to mount automatically when i had ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[20:53] <Scrivener> seednode, haha, I'll probably give it a shot with Arch
[20:53] <sunny_slls> today i upgraded it to 12.04
[20:54] <seednode> I'm running i3 in arch
[20:54] <seednode> one of us
[20:54] <sunny_slls> since then its not mounting it
[20:54] <Scrivener> On the nearest 3-day weekend when I try to reinstall and build my dev environment in it
[20:54] <seednode> My favorite thing about thinkpads is this
[20:54] <seednode> Above the left and right arrow keys, there's the XF86Back and XF86Forward keys
[20:54] <seednode> I bind them to previous and next workspace
[20:54] <Scrivener> sunny_slls, if you run the command again with the drive not connected, does /dev/sdb disappear?
[20:54] <seednode> And it improves my workflow so much; it's just less awkward than multikey combos to switch
[20:54] <reisio> so you like that there are keys there at all
[20:54] <reisio> 'cause you can bind any key to anything :p
[20:54] <seednode> I like that I have keys with no other function
[20:55] <seednode> No overlap with mandatory functions
[20:55] <sunny_slls> Scrivener, yes
[20:55] <seednode> And they're in a convenient location for it, I'll admit
[20:55] <Scrivener> seednode, I cannot tell you how happy those key placements make me
[20:55] <seednode> I could bind g and h to switch workspaces, but that might interrupt other keybinds a wee bit
[20:55] <Scrivener> It's super useful for me too
[20:55] <Scrivener> sunny_slls, then that's your external drive
[20:55] <Scrivener> You can mount it thus:
[20:55] <Scrivener> $ sudo mount /dev/sdb /mnt
[20:56] <sunny_slls> hey just now again when i connected it , it started working
[20:56] <Scrivener> Ah, awesome :)
[20:56] <seednode> Scrivener, if you do end up using arch, hit me up in pms; I have a few tweak suggestsions
[20:57] <Scrivener> I've used Arch before, but not on this laptop.
[20:57] <sunny_slls> Scrivener, also my android phone if connected to system as media storage device, it doesn't get detected
[20:57] <Scrivener> I used it before on a bargain basement awful Inspiron 1525.
[20:57] <Scrivener> It ran KDE faster than it ran Gnome 2 with Mint.
[20:57] <Scrivener> This was back during 11.04.
[20:57] <seednode> The performance difference between Windows 7 and any linux distro on this machine is enormous; and this is an i7, you'd think it would handle windows no problem
[20:57] <seednode> But I'm kinda pulling us offtopic, so
[20:57] <seednode> I'll be in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:58] <sunny_slls> Scrivener, this time the device is detected as /dev/sdb1
[20:58] <Scrivener> sunny_slls, the Android phone?
[20:58] <Scrivener> Is this with or without the external hard drive still detected?
[20:58] <inv3nt0r> Hi everyone. Having trouble getting an SFTP server running correctly. From the remote machine I can SSH in no problem, but when I try SFTP I am asked for user name and password which are accepted (according to /var/log/auth.log) then I am immediately disconnected.
[20:58] <sunny_slls> nope only the hard drive
[20:58] <Scrivener> Oh, yes, if the hard drive is detected as sdb1, that's good.
[20:58] <sunny_slls> with external hard drive detected
[20:58] <Scrivener> That's the first partition on /dev/sdb
[20:59] <sunny_slls> then what is /dev/sdb ?
[20:59] <sunny_slls> if sdb1 is hard drive
[20:59] <inv3nt0r> Last message in auth.log is: Received disconnect from xx.xx.xx.xx: 11: disconnected by user
[21:00] <sunny_slls> never mind Scrivener now even the phone is detecting
[21:01] <sunny_slls> its weird
[21:02] <Scrivener> sunny_slls, huh
[21:02] <Pessimist> sunny_slls, from my linux experience: /dev/sdb is the device file, /dev/sdb[1-N] are the actual partitions
[21:02] <Scrivener> Glad it's worked out
[21:02] <Pessimist> this can be wrong though
[21:02] <Scrivener> I think you're right, Pessimist
[21:05] <sunny_slls> Pessimist, ok thanks for explanation
[21:14] <ice9> how to reset notify-osd configuration?
[21:14] <reisio> ice9: find ~/ -iname '*notify*'
[21:15] <ice9> reisio: found nothing
[21:19] <reisio> ice9: then it's probably in the "registry"
[21:19] <reisio> ice9: use configuration editor
[21:20] <ice9> reisio: register is under ~/ too so it should have found it
[21:21] <trism> ice9: it only has two settings, gravity and multihead-mode, what are you trying to reset?
[21:22] <euxneks> howdy, attempting to install libgtk3-dev and I get this:  The following package has unmet dependencies [...] Depends: libgtk-3-0 (= 3.8.6-0ubuntu3.1) but 3.10.6-0ubuntu2~saucy1 is to be installed
[21:22] <euxneks> I had gnome3 dev installed from a ppa but I'm pretty sure I purged it
[21:22] <ice9> trism: I installed i3wm so it modified the the location and all settings of the notification pubble, I want to reset it all
[21:23] <trism> ice9: notify-osd doesn't have all those options so you must be using another notification daemon
[21:24] <reisio> ice9: the registry is, but it's not necessarily named as a file or directory, or even in plain text, unfortunately
[21:24] <trism> ice9: dunst is the default with i3 I think
[21:25] <ice9> trism: right, I removed it now how to use the notification-daemon instead?
[21:26] <pvl1> nethogs tells me i have two instances of sshd running, why is it to
[21:26] <pvl1> two
[21:27] <sarthak> How do you open a new process of the same application?
[21:27] <trism> ice9: if you have notify-osd installed and dunst isn't running, it should auto start next time a notification is sent: notify-send test message;
[21:28] <ice9> trism: notify-send works fine but any other notifications doesn't even audio and brightness notifcations doesn't show
[21:29] <usr13> trism: ice9 Do you need to find out if notify-osd is installed?  If so; apt-cache policy notify-osd
[21:29] <ice9> usr13: it's installed
[21:30] <trism> ice9: yeah the brightness/volume notifications are a notify-osd extension, they won't send them if it isn't running, or another notification daemon is
[21:30] <usr13> ice9: Ok, well, I'm late to the conversation, don't know what you guys are doing, just thought I'd through that in there, if it's not useful, disregard.
[21:30] <trism> ice9: although you should still get them in the center of the screen from gnome-settings-daemon
[21:31] <ice9> trism: usr13: I removed dust and reinstalled notify-osd, works by notify-send only
[21:31] <trism> ice9: assuming you are in gnome/unity now
[21:31] <ice9> unity
[21:31] <trism> ice9: is dunst still running? ps aux | grep dunst; you might need to kill it
[21:32] <ice9> trism: yeah thanks, it works now
[21:32] <lvh> Hi!
[21:33] <lvh> I'm having difficulty upgrading my ulimit for nmber of open file descriptors; it is stuck at 1024. I have set the systemwide limit as high as it will go, but still get following error, ven as root: bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted
[21:36] <lvh> Even when doing sudo -i /bin/bash to simulate a new login, the limits stay
[21:37] <fufo> a
[21:42] <iceroot> lvh: why you want to change the limit? its coming directly from the kernel at boot and will reflect your system-limits (ram for example) if i am correct since newer kernels its not possible to change the limit, its done by the kernel and you should not change it (i guess it was since 3.x)
[21:42] <Saeko> Hi, is there a way to easily setup wordpress on a server. I tried install the web server and mysql but I cant get the ftp to work
[21:43] <brat_> exit
[21:44] <Slart> lvh: have you  checked this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/162229/how-do-i-increase-the-open-files-limit-for-a-non-root-user
[21:44] <sooraj1> hi i have a situation where many of our servers going down without any indication in logs. It was observed that it happens for machines which were having a high uptime around >250days. a kernel bug ?
[21:44] <sooraj1> 2.6 is the version
[21:45] <iceroot> sooraj1: such a big uptime will result in a lot of open bugs in the kernel, because no sec-updates were done/no reboot after the updates. so the kernel you are using is not supported anymore because you missed a lot of updates
[21:45] <Jordan_U> sooraj1: 1: There is nowhere near enough information yet to determine if it's a kernel bug. 2: "version 2.6" covers many years of kernel development.
[21:46] <jebr224> test
[21:47] <awesomess3> just burned xubuntu 13.10 to a 4GB usb with unetbootin (unetbootin.sourceforge.net). Unfortunately sometimes the sound doesn't work when I boot, and the 1GB filesystem doesn't load on my 2013 dell UEFI laptop, even when I turn off Secure Boot.
[21:47] <awesomess3> haven't tried Legacy Boot
[21:56] <Saeko> Hi, is there a way to easily setup wordpress on a server. I tried install the web server and mysql but I cant get the ftp to work
[21:58] <pvl1> does libpng-dev install libpng15 ? hwo can i check what files a package installs
[22:00] <Jordan_U> sooraj1: What version of Ubuntu? When they "go down", do they just stop functioning properly or do they power down / reboot? If they don't power down, what is your definition of "go down"? Do you have physical access to these manchines?
[22:06] <olalonde> I'm downloading precompiled binaries from a website… which directory should i put it in? I know it doesn't really matter but I'd rather put it in a semi standard place
[22:06] <seednode> /bin or /sbin?
[22:07] <olalonde> right
[22:07] <seednode> Or maybe /usr/bin
[22:07] <seednode> since they aren't "essential" programs
[22:07] <olalonde> it's actually in a .tar.gz file… maybe i should just uncompress it from /tmp and move the binaries to /sbin afterwards
[22:07] <olalonde> ok /usr/bin
[22:08] <seednode> Yeah, /usr/bin for non-essential programs meant to be run by non-privileged users
[22:09] <haT> hey guys, i need help
[22:09] <haT> i really need a linux ubuntu professional here
[22:09] <seednode> How professional are we talking
[22:09] <Pessimist> !ask | haT
[22:09] <seednode> Actually, how about you explain the issue
[22:10] <seednode> Pessimist, hey now, I was getting to that
[22:10] <haT> professional as in being able to use logind.conf in the systemd
[22:11] <seednode> Okay, so what are you trying to do
[22:11] <haT> seednode, first all of my laptop was unable to suspend or hibernate when i close the lid
[22:11] <seednode> What laptop?
[22:11] <haT> i have a thinkpad
[22:11] <nfisher> Hi all! i forgot how to specify default soundcard using pulseaudio. Can anybody help please?
[22:11] <seednode> Ah
[22:11] <seednode> What model
[22:11] <haT> x201
[22:11] <seednode> I have an idea, if suspend/hibernate aren't workoing
[22:11] <seednode> Ah, yes
[22:11] <seednode> I think I know fix
[22:12] <seednode> Go to BIOS, security settings
[22:12] <sadude> Is there any public statiscts for ubuntu's usage?
[22:12] <haT> ok
[22:12] <seednode> And disable "Intel trusted execution technology"
[22:12] <seednode> 5:1 it'll fix it
[22:12] <seednode> TXT in the x201[its]
[22:12] <seednode> Breaks suspend
[22:12] <seednode> So disable that and try again
[22:12] <haT> 0_o
[22:12] <haT> interesting
[22:12] <haT> i will try that later
[22:13] <seednode> Please let me know if it works
[22:13] <haT> i recall that when i first installed xubuntu
[22:13] <seednode> Because I might file a bug report if it happened for you too
[22:13] <haT> there wasn't any problem
[22:13] <OerHeks> sadude, hard to find, downloads are no real stats
[22:13] <seednode> Well, did hibernate or suspend work?
[22:13] <haT> it used to
[22:14] <haT> till i did some update
[22:14] <seednode> Was it a kernel update?
[22:14] <seednode> I'm starting to think something changed in kernel regarding TXT
[22:14] <haT> how can i check that ?
[22:14] <seednode> But either way, please try that fix
[22:14] <haT> ok
[22:14] <haT> i will go a try to fix it now
[22:14] <haT> thanks
[22:14] <haT> be back soon
[22:18] <robert_> hello
[22:18] <seednode> Hi
[22:22] <cx640> 1213
[22:23] <awesomess3> why can't firefox be as fast as links2?
[22:23] <seednode> Because javascript
[22:24] <awesomess3> but when firefox first starts up, there is no javascript (AFAIK) executed, yet it takes like 15 seconds.
[22:24] <seednode> It has to load rendering engines and all
[22:24] <seednode> And plugins, if you have those
[22:24] <seednode> Not to mention it probably has far more libraries and such it has to load, and a much larger binary
[22:24] <seednode> Chromium starts in just under a second for me, though
[22:25] <seednode> So who knows
[22:26] <xangua> chromium is always executing I believe
[22:26] <seednode> I kill -n 9'd chromium beforehand, to check
[22:26] <seednode> Didn't see a chromium process
[22:26] <xangua> that's why I uninstalled google chrome at least, always running in the background
[22:26] <seednode> Unless it's under another namew
[22:26] <seednode> name*
[22:29] <Arafangion> I don't see the point of chromium.
[22:30] <Arafangion> Either use chrome, firefox, or konq.
[22:30] <seednode> Why?
[22:30] <Arafangion> Even then, I'd only use chrome because of it's vast number of plugins it's got by default, even if I'd really prefer not to have to rely on them.. (shockwave)
[22:30] <seednode> So why is chromium worse?
[22:30] <seednode> Is what I'm asking
[22:30] <Arafangion> It doesn't have those plugins.
[22:31] <Arafangion> Specifically flash.
[22:31] <seednode> It has flash and a pdf reader
[22:31] <Konata> Chromium is not meant for the hipster generation
[22:31] <Arafangion> Latest version of Pepper Flash?
[22:31] <seednode> Arafangion, let me check version
[22:31] <seednode> 12.0.0.70-1
[22:31] <Arafangion> Maybe I'd recommend it moer if it actually loaded each tab in a separate proces.
[22:31] <seednode> Not sure what latest in Chrome is
[22:31] <Arafangion> seednode: Hmm, that's fairly recent.
[22:31] <julio> so so
[22:32] <julio> hi any can help me
[22:32] <Arafangion> I'd best get to work.
[22:32] <seednode> um, Arafangion
[22:32] <seednode> Fairly certain it does load each tab into separate process
[22:32] <seednode> As it opens a new process every time I open a new tab
[22:50] <DrFoo> test
[22:52] <seednode> Hi
[22:52] <RearAdmiralWolfy> how would i install just mate-terminal instead of the whole mate desktop environment
[22:55] <basketball> The following packages have been kept back:
[22:55] <basketball>   usb-modeswitch-data
[22:55] <basketball> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[22:55] <r4st45> hi i heard they offer free shell accounts
[22:56] <kostkon> r4st45, nice try
[22:57] <r4st45> nice try abt wht?
[22:57] <seednode> Well, haT didn't return
[22:57] <seednode> So... that's awkward
[22:58] <r4st45> pardon me but i didnt understan what you are on about
[22:59] <r4st45> who wants pillz for free
[23:00] <Beldar> RearAdmiralWolfy, I do not see it in the saucy repo which has the mate desktop, what release and OS are you running?
[23:01] <RearAdmiralWolfy> ubuntu 14.04 lts
[23:02] <Beldar> 14.04 | RearAdmiralWolfy
[23:02] <RearAdmiralWolfy> yes that's right
[23:02] <Beldar> RearAdmiralWolfy, #ubuntu+1 is the 14.04 channel
[23:02] <Beldar> bot is slow
[23:03] <somsip> Beldar: missing ! before 14.04
[23:03] <seednode> Beldar, that command isn't just 14.04
[23:03] <RearAdmiralWolfy> it's ok i joined there
[23:03] <seednode> You need !
[23:03] <seednode> Or bot will be very slow indeed ;)
[23:03] <Beldar> somsip, seednode cool, mate is in 14.04, my assumption was in issue within it.
[23:06] <ljsoftnet> how do i put * on /dev/sda1 using gparted?
[23:06] <basketball> Beldar,  you know
[23:07] <usr13> ljsoftnet: What?
[23:07] <cyberphoenix> This is my first time on an irc can someone respond to me so I know that it worked?
[23:08] <awesomess3> cyberphoenix, error 324982
[23:08] <ljsoftnet> usr13 if i fdisk -l i dont see * on /dev/sda1
[23:08] <ljsoftnet> usr13 i only have 1 partition with fdisk -l
[23:08] <usr13> ljsoftnet: So why does it need to?
[23:08] <ljsoftnet> usr13 wanted to use extlinux
[23:09] <usr13> ljsoftnet: So you are wanting the boot flag on sda1?  Is that it?
[23:10] <ljsoftnet> usr13 yeah
[23:10] <ljsoftnet> usr13 if its flag as boot, it has * already
[23:11] <ljsoftnet> ?
[23:14] <ljsoftnet> usr13 dude u got anything for me?
[23:14] <isasha> So my space key doesn't work...
[23:15] <isasha> I have to paste each space now,when I push space the cursor just blinks
[23:15] <isasha> On ubuntu 13.10
[23:15] <ljsoftnet> usr13 how do i flag /dev/sda1 as Boot
[23:16] <haT> hello
[23:16] <haT> seednode
[23:16] <usr13> ljsoftnet: For what reason?
[23:16] <seednode> haT, did it fix it?
[23:16] <usr13> ljsoftnet: For a linux install?
[23:16] <ljsoftnet> usr13 bootloader
[23:16] <haT> unfortunately what you mentioned was no where to be found in the bios
[23:16] <usr13> ljsoftnet: What exactly are you trying to do?  What are you trying to fix?  (What is the problem you are tying to solve.)
[23:17] <seednode> haT, what sections did you check?
[23:17] <usr13> ljsoftnet: What boot loader?  grub?
[23:17] <seednode> I mean, I haven't used an x201 non-tablet for years, but
[23:17] <haT> i checked every section
[23:17] <oxsyn> I just ran sudo apt-get upgrade on a 14.04 live USB installation and it now boots to a busybox shell with an error message (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system. Any ideas how I can repair this?
[23:17] <oxsyn> ** dist-upgrade
[23:17] <seednode> haT, let me check exactly where it is on mine
[23:17] <seednode> Brb, rebootin
[23:17] <ljsoftnet> usr13 just need to put * on Boot
[23:17] <haT> wait
[23:18] <seednode> k
[23:18] <ljsoftnet> usr13 when i fdisk -l
[23:18] <haT> shouldn't be modifying something in the logind.info file
[23:18] <haT> ?
[23:18] <awesomess3> oxsyn, maybe try #ubuntu+1 (14.04 channel) if this place doesn't pan out.
[23:18] <usr13> ljsoftnet: I think you are barking up the wrong tree (is what I'm trying to say).
[23:18] <seednode> This is in the BIOS settings
[23:18] <seednode> On boot
[23:18] <oxsyn> awesomess3: kk, thanks
[23:19] <haT> when i first installed xubuntu everything worked including the suspend
[23:19] <seednode> Yeah, but
[23:19] <seednode> If you updated, and it upgraded kernelk
[23:19] <seednode> kernel
[23:19] <seednode> That could have been related
[23:19] <haT> 0_o
[23:19] <seednode> Here, run "uname -a"
[23:19] <seednode> And tell me the number it says
[23:19] <seednode> Should be 3.xx.xx
[23:20] <haT> yes, 3.11.0
[23:20] <seednode> Hm
[23:20] <usr13> ljsoftnet: Again:  What problem are you tryin to solve?  What is not happening that *should* happen>?
[23:20] <seednode> Well, just to humour me, can you try changing the BIOS settings
[23:20] <seednode> Or did you not see Security options anywhere in BIOS
[23:21] <haT> nope
[23:21] <haT> no security options
[23:21] <seednode> Alright, gonna reboot and confirm on mine quick
[23:21] <seednode> Back in ~1m
[23:22] <haT> only security option was password for HD, and computrace
[23:22] <haT> ok
[23:22] <nobitanobi> Hi guys. I am launching a script as 'apache' user, and within that script I am doing an ssh connection. Since the .ssh folder is owned by another user, when it tries to write in known_hosts, it hangs. What should I do in this situation? Do I need to make .ssh readable by all, and known_hosts writible by all?
[23:22] <usr13> ljsoftnet: Choose: Partition -> Manage Flags. The application opens a Manage flags on /path-to-partition dialog. To enable a flag, select the check box beside the flag. The application writes the enabled flag to the partition and refreshes the Manage flags on /path-to-partition dialog.
[23:23] <usr13> ljsoftnet: Not sure what this has to do with Ubuntu, and not sure what you will accomplish, trying to find out but you insist on not saying....
[23:24] <seednode> haT, on mine, there was a Security->Security Chip option
[23:24] <seednode> But now, I'll have to confirm
[23:24] <seednode> They should both have TPM1.2
[23:24] <haT> hmm
[23:24] <haT> are you using a thinkpad ?
[23:25] <seednode> Yeah
[23:25] <seednode> This is a Thinkpad x201t
[23:25] <haT> ok
[23:25] <seednode> The tablet version of x201
[23:25] <seednode> But I think x201 normal should have same chip
[23:25] <haT> security chip option
[23:25] <haT> lemme check
[23:25] <ljsoftnet> usr13 how do i quit fdisk when (m for help)?
[23:25] <haT> brb
[23:25] <r4st45> fight four
[23:25] <usr13> ljsoftnet: q
[23:26] <usr13> ljsoftnet: Was your question about fdisk or gparted?
[23:27] <Guye_Alvarez> one think.
[23:27] <usr13> ljsoftnet: To toggle boot flag on a partition in fdisk    a
[23:27] <usr13> ljsoftnet: And then tell it which one...
[23:28] <ljsoftnet> usr13 fdisk
[23:28] <Guye_Alvarez> when i run firefox and new tab, my sistem bloqued
[23:29] <rannonga> exit
[23:29] <k0fee> i'm trying to use the old releases repo and i can't get the public key to work
[23:30] <ljsoftnet> usr13 fdisk doesnt have quit and save
[23:30] <usr13> ljsoftnet: w q
[23:30] <usr13> ljsoftnet: w=write q=quit
[23:31] <usr13> ljsoftnet: m=help
[23:32] <haT> seednode
[23:32] <seednode> Still no luck?
[23:32] <ilhami> Hey
[23:32] <ilhami> guys
[23:33] <ilhami> I have no sound
[23:33] <haT> i had the security chip
[23:33] <ilhami> Gstreamer failed to detect any devices
[23:33] <seednode> haT, did you try disabling?
[23:33] <haT> but not the MP something something option
[23:33] <usr13> !sound | ilhami
[23:33] <ilhami> usr13 I am using xfce.
[23:33] <ilhami> there is none
[23:33] <ilhami> other than ALSA
[23:33] <ilhami> which doesnt work
[23:33] <haT> i also had the clear security chip
[23:33] <seednode> haT, no, not MP something something
[23:33] <seednode> Should just have option to enable or disable
[23:34] <usr13> ilhami: If alsa doesn't work, that is your problem?
[23:34] <haT> 0_o
[23:34] <ilhami> yeah why doesn't it work?
[23:34] <seednode> haT, was there an option to disable?
[23:34] <ilhami> It's a VM btw
[23:34] <haT> for the clear security chip yes
[23:34] <usr13> Ok, I gotta go.  Catch you all later.
[23:34] <seednode> haT, wait
[23:34] <ilhami> No
[23:34] <ilhami> where are you going ?
[23:35] <ilhami> haha
[23:35] <ice9> how to enable minimize on click in ubuntu 13.10
[23:35] <seednode> You could clear security chip, or could disable security chip?
[23:35] <mojtaba> Hi, I make an external hard drive with my laptop's hard drive and now I want to format it, and it gives me error formatting. (It was fully encrypted when it was in my laptop.) Do you know what should I do?
[23:35] <haT> clear
[23:35] <seednode> And no other option, to disable or such?
[23:35] <haT> i didn't touch that
[23:35] <seednode> Under any subtree?
[23:35] <haT> i could only disable the intel txt feature
[23:35] <haT> which i did
[23:36] <seednode> Okay, so you disabled TXT
[23:36] <seednode> Have you tried suspending again
[23:36] <haT> wait
[23:36] <nailson> mojtaba, i had a similar issue these days
[23:36] <haT> nope didn't suspend
[23:36] <haT> i can only suspend when i click to suspend
[23:36] <haT> but wont suspend on lid close
[23:37] <nailson> mojtaba, it must be unmounted, and you need to destroy LVM first
[23:37] <haT> [Login]
[23:37] <haT> #NAutoVTs=6
[23:37] <haT> #ReserveVT=6
[23:37] <haT> #KillUserProcesses=no
[23:37] <haT> #KillOnlyUsers=
[23:37] <haT> #KillExcludeUsers=root
[23:38] <Jonnyw2k> WHY
[23:38] <k0fee> i am trying to add the old releases using this configuration: http://pastebin.com/bQCDKfXT
[23:38] <Jonnyw2k> why does it do that
[23:38] <nailson> mojtaba, have you tried it?
[23:38] <haT> ok
[23:38] <k0fee> getting the "no public key error"
[23:39] <haT> i was muted for a 1 minute
[23:39] <seednode> haT, which file is that?
[23:39] <seednode> Let me compare to mine
[23:39] <k0fee> thank you for any suggestions
[23:39] <haT> go to etc/systemd
[23:39] <seednode> Which file though
[23:39] <seednode> logind.conf?
[23:40] <haT> yes
[23:40] <seednode> Alright, and you have HandleLidSwitch=suspend uncommented?
[23:40] <haT> yes
[23:40] <seednode> Though, actually, my machine suspends on lid closed even with that commented
[23:40] <seednode> So I'm guessing another config is breaking it, then
[23:40] <haT> hmm
[23:42] <seednode> It's not an acpi config on mine...
[23:42] <seednode> Lemme check what else might change it
[23:42] <haT> ok
[23:44] <haT> damn i love thinkpads
[23:44] <haT> i think i should get me another one
[23:45] <seednode> I have some recommendations, if you do plan on that
[23:45] <seednode> Also, some people dislike cursing in family channels, even that one
[23:45] <seednode> Just a warning
[23:46] <haT> when i close lid on screen turns off
[23:47] <haT> but i still hear the fan and HD working
[23:47] <seednode> And no crescent moon light?
[23:47] <seednode> Hm
[23:47] <seednode> What suspend function are you using
[23:47] <haT> nope
[23:47] <seednode> systemctl suspend, or pm-suspend?
[23:48] <haT> what is the difference ?
[23:48] <seednode> Well, I think they have different ways of initiating the suspend
[23:48] <seednode> But mainly just so I can know if you'd be using same configs as mine
[23:50] <seednode> And you say it's working fine when you suspend normally, just not on screen close?
[23:54] <bunjee> what command do I use to get all the functions of my HP Photosmart 7250 all-in-one printer to work?
[23:55] <haT> yes
[23:55] <bunjee> anyone?
[23:56] <haT> when i close lid, the only thing that turns off is the screen
[23:56] <average> is it ok to reinstall dpkg ?
[23:58] <mojtaba> nailson: how should I do that?
[23:58] <mojtaba> Hi, I make an external hard drive with my laptop's hard drive and now I want to format it, and it gives me error formatting. (It was fully encrypted when it was in my laptop.) Do you know what should I do?
[23:59] <joshua33> Hello, how do I keep Compiz effects on by default?