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ochosibrainwash: will respond to the bugreport00:44
ochosithere you go00:55
brainwashochosi: thanks01:04
brainwashochosi: bug 128544001:48
ubottubug 1285440 in xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin "Switch Users" functionality" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128544001:48
brainwashcould we add the working command "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" to our custom whisker menu config file?01:49
brainwashxubuntu-default-settings01:49
brainwashI know, the shortcut/icon is hidden by default01:50
bluesabrethat's an elaborate bug report01:57
bluesabre1. we should definitely add that command to the greeter config so that it works if enabled01:57
bluesabre2. not really sure its necessary to know about virtual consoles, light-locker/lightdm are handling all that for you01:58
bluesabrebut I do wonder (care to experiment?) if light-locker creates a new VT every time ( 8 9 10 ), or if new VTs go away after successful login01:59
bluesabreooh, but I do have an opinion about the internet-mail icon01:59
bluesabreoh wait01:59
bluesabrenvm01:59
bluesabre:)01:59
* bluesabre hides02:00
brainwash?!02:12
brainwash:D02:12
brainwashadding the command to the greeter config?02:12
bluesabreyeah, whisker comfig02:12
bluesabreI give up on typing02:13
bluesabre>.<02:13
brainwashok, that makes sense :)02:13
brainwashand what about the second part about virtual consoles?02:14
brainwashlightdm re-uses existing greeter instances02:15
bluesabrefrom the bug report, there seems to be a concern that multiple virtual consoles are being spawned02:15
brainwashoh, looks like I skipped that part, don't really like so much detail in a bug report02:16
bluesabre:)02:17
brainwashbluesabre: btw I was able to build xfdesktop via daily build recipe02:21
bluesabreexcellent, congrats :)02:21
brainwashthanks :D02:22
brainwashand adding git commit messages to debian/changelog is easy, but the build bot is not able to yet02:23
brainwashali1234: bug 120868103:06
ubottubug 1208681 in thunar (Ubuntu) "PCManFM bookmarks are not being respected by other applications due to GTK 3.0" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120868103:06
brainwashfixed now too, right?03:06
bluesabremicahg: this one is easy, simple debdiff (but all packaging is included as well)03:40
bluesabrehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/129445903:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1294459 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] shimmer-themes-1.7.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]03:40
bluesabrein case you're interested and have 2 minutes :)03:40
bluesabreochosi ^03:41
elfymorning dkessel 07:10
dkesselgood morning elfy07:11
AussieDownUnderIs there going to be a way to get rid of the xscreensaver from the system settings? I currently have light-locker & even though I uninstalled xscreensaver there's an icon left for it in there.09:26
ochosiAussieDownUnder: can you show me a screenshot of that item in the settings manager? i.e. are you sure it's not light-locker-settings? (they use the same icon)09:30
AussieDownUnderIt says screensaver & has the same icon as light-locker. If I click on it I get "Unable to start "xscreensaver-demo", it's the same icon I used to adjust xscreensaver before I uninstalled it, if that makes sense? I'll get you some screens.09:31
AussieDownUnderAnd I just pushed a hotkey 3 times to take screen shots & my screen went permanently black, could only see the screen seelection cross hairs & couldn't get back to my screen, tried locking the pc & re logging back in but didn't fix it09:37
ochosiAussieDownUnder: did you uninstall xscreensaver by hand? i guess there is another package, e.g. xscreensaver-settings09:37
ochosiwith the crosshair you can drag a selection for the screenshot...09:38
AussieDownUnderochosi, yeah I know, I pushed the shortcut to it 3 times & each time the screen went darker, I couldn't manage to get out of it.09:38
ochosisure you can09:38
ochosijust drag with the mouse and let go09:39
AussieDownUnderYeah I tried09:43
ochosianyway, just don't hit the print key so often ;)09:43
AussieDownUnderochosi, dw I already learnt my lesson09:43
AussieDownUnder<a href="http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php">09:52
AussieDownUnder  <img src="http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-190314-194336.php" />09:52
AussieDownUnder</a>09:52
AussieDownUnderWhoops09:52
AussieDownUnderochosi, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php][img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-190314-194336.php09:53
AussieDownUnderSorry, still an IRC & ubuntu noob. Does this work? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php09:53
ochosiyou definitely need more practice with the screenshooter ;D09:53
ochosisure, works fine09:53
ochosiyeah, check whether xscreensaver-settings or something alike is still installed09:54
ochosiyou can also just run "sudo apt-get remove xscreensaver*"09:54
AussieDownUnderhttp://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-195406.php09:54
AussieDownUnderIt's already been uninstalled in a terminal in order to get light-locker functioning?09:55
ochosino, there seem to be some leftovers09:55
ochosiyou haven't uninstalled everything of xscreensaver *obviously*09:56
AussieDownUnderHow could I find out properly? Any file to look at that would tell wha'ts installed?09:56
ochosibluesabre: 2 minutes for what exactly? the bugreport looks good from my side! thanks!12:21
brainwashochosi: so, should we add "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" to the whisker menu config?12:24
ochosibrainwash: did you read my comment #1?12:24
ochosi(if so, you know my reply)12:24
brainwashoh12:25
brainwashdid not get notified about the comment12:25
brainwashmmh12:27
brainwashswitch-to-greeter triggers light-locker12:27
brainwashit's not about activating the switch-user button, I only want to change the command12:28
ochosiright, that we could do12:29
ochosidefinitely better to put something there that works than keep gdmflexi...12:29
brainwashgreat, not sure if an upstream change would make it in time for trusty12:29
brainwashexactly12:29
ochosii think the security concerns are valid enough to hide it by default12:30
ochosi(apart from the visual clutter it adds)12:30
brainwashyes, and locking the screen also allows the a user switch12:30
ochosiexactly12:31
ochosii'll update the whisker-MR accordingly...12:33
ochosifeel free to reply that we discussed it and concluded this12:33
ochosi(on the bugreport i mean12:33
ochosi)12:33
brainwashok12:33
brainwashthe strange gtk-greeter bug seems to affect vm installations12:35
brainwashbut maybe most people just use a vm to test xubuntu 14.0412:35
ochosii've had it in a normal install12:36
ochosiso it's not restricted to VMs unfortunately12:36
brainwashI don't like bugs which I cannot reproduce easily :)12:37
ochosiyeah, sucks quite a bit, that bug12:39
brainwashbtw is anyone working on improving the non-list-mode lock mode?12:40
brainwashor is a discussion needed first?12:40
ochosinot right now12:43
ochosithe focus is on fixing bugs in xubuntu first12:44
ochosiand this one doesn't really concern me for xubuntu12:44
ochosi(and it's not even a bug, as stated previously, but an enhancement)12:44
brainwashindeed12:45
knomejjfrv8, merged your branch and fixed the visual issue we were having.12:45
ochosimicahg: pleeeease, merge the xubuntu-default-settings stuff!12:45
ochosimicahg: or if you can't, just let me know and i'll get sponsors to help us with this. but i think we *want* those in B212:47
knomeyes12:47
knomeplease12:47
knomeochosi, you will be pleased with this: bug 129461912:48
ubottubug 1294619 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update the Ubiquity slideshow (Xubuntu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129461912:48
knomeand poked stgraber as promised, he'll look at it and most probably just upload as well...12:48
ochosiweeee12:51
ochosinice knome 12:51
ochosialso got another bug in indicator-sound fixed for us today \o/12:52
ochosi(well, also for unity)12:52
knomegood12:53
slickymasterWorkso knome, the slideshow is finished, right?12:54
knomeyes, and the translation templates are updated12:54
knomeBUT12:54
knomeit's not in the main branch yet, as the UIFe is not approved12:54
slickymasterWorkand that's a big but :)12:54
* slickymasterWork moans12:54
knomewell,12:54
knomeit should be up later today12:55
knomeochosi, can you open me this a bit:12:55
knomeochosi, "Lock the screen on suspend/resume"12:55
knomeso,12:55
slickymasterWorkI'll check, later on, to see if I can start, or not, working on its translation12:55
knomea free translation like "Lock the screen on suspend" would work?12:55
knomeweren't too many strings that changed12:56
knomeochosi, because almost-literally translating, the string would be "Lukitse näyttö keskeytystilaan siirtyessä/siitä palautuessa"12:57
knomewhich is... a long string.12:57
knomethe free translation would be "Lukitse näyttö keskeytystilassa"12:57
knomeslickymasterWork, follow the bug! :)12:58
knomebug 129461912:58
ubottubug 1294619 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update the Ubiquity slideshow (Xubuntu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129461912:58
knomethat *should* give good indication of progress12:58
knomeand i can just poke you if i'm told it's up12:58
knomedon't hold your breath, stgraber lives across the pond ;)12:59
knomeochosi, actually, i just did the shorted translation12:59
knomeochosi, your strings are up :P12:59
slickymasterWorkknome: Affecting me and raised to Confirmed status13:00
knomeslickymasterWork, oh please no!13:00
knomei don't think that's how those bugs are tracked...13:00
knomei put it back to new13:01
slickymasterWorkyeah, I'm seeing now my wrong :P13:01
knomethat's okay13:01
knomefortunately we can touch those :P13:01
knomehmpf, should eat and shower13:01
knomewhich order? :P13:01
knomeprobably the other13:01
knomebbl13:01
slickymasterWorkI just saw you saying follow the bug and thought it was to marl it13:02
slickymasterWorks/marl/mark13:02
slickymasterWorkbbl ->13:06
ochosiknome: thanks a bunch!13:09
ochosiknome: also, could you re-approve my MR for the whiskermenu settings to x-d-s?13:10
ochosiand i guess the last UIFe is the wallpaper, right?13:11
knomewhat MR? :)13:13
knomeand yes, wallpaper should be the last UIFe13:14
ochosiknome: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/whiskermenu_defaults/+merge/21171413:16
starratsgood morning everyone!13:19
starrats might have to file another bug report on 14.04 my updates went okay but the upgrades reverted back to last week when I had some  │ zequence13:19
starrats                          | issues concerning some packages missing                    13:19
knomeochosi, done13:19
ochosity13:24
starratsb4 getting off the laptop tonight  I'll run another update/upgrade to see if it happens again.  13:25
jjfrv8knome, pulled your docs branch changes and did a quick scan of the pages. Just found two minor issues...14:25
jjfrv8one is just a wording change, the other is in Appendix A. menulibre's friendly name is listed as 'Main Menu' instead of 'Menu Editor'14:26
jjfrv8knome, is it safe for me to make those corrections and push them directly to xubuntu-docs?14:29
jhenkehi15:44
knomejjfrv8, yep.16:27
knomejhenke, hello16:27
jjfrv8knome, ok, damage done :)16:33
knome;)16:33
knomeso, apparently we need somebody to do docs uploads17:09
elfyafternoon all17:16
knomehey elfy 17:17
elfyI'm free till April Fools Day :)17:17
knomecongrats17:18
knomei have a request17:18
knomelearn packaging, apply and get upload rights for xubuntu-docs today and upload the package tomorrow. okay?17:18
elfyI'm on it ... 17:19
elfycan't do it - got called into work 17:21
elfy:p17:21
knomeoh boo!17:22
knomeelfy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes17:22
elfyno-one to do stuff again I guess17:22
knomeelfy, i just split the testing-related stuff out from the "releasing" table, and put them to their own table17:22
knomeplease review and see if we are missing anything17:22
elfyok17:23
knomeor the schedule is completely off ;)17:23
elfywhat is smoketest images?17:24
elfyis that what jenkins reports?17:24
knomeeither jenkins or manual smoketesting17:24
knomeit's mostly a leftover from the previous QA lead, haven't touched that schedule too much...17:25
knomefeel free to edit as appropriate17:25
knomeor in other words, to make it mirror reality :P17:25
elfywell we certainly don't do anything specific about smoketests17:25
knomeyeah, so fix the documentation ;)17:26
knomei mean,17:26
knomethis page is here to tell us what we need to do17:26
knomethis page is here for us to document what we do17:26
elfyyep17:26
elfyknome: that wiki is more or less what we do - 7 days - I tend to warn people it's in it's way, 5 days - smoketesting is Jenkins - we don't do anything specific, 3 days we test, release day we mark18:28
knomeelfy, ok, good. few suggestions: maybe specify the smoketesting is jenkins; and maybe specify we just don't mark the images ready, but actually think about it mark them ready only if they are ready18:29
elfyI'm specifically speficing things now :)18:29
elfydone18:31
knomehehe18:35
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m3741hey everyone, maybe this is a better place to ask. i'm looking for the live-build auto/config script that is used to build xubuntu saucy. anyone have a url per chance?18:55
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ali1234m3741: what, all of it?19:03
m3741ali1234: i'd happily take the whole thing19:04
m3741well, all the live-build scripts. all the auto scripts, everything under package-lists, etc...19:05
brainwashmicahg: please take a look at bug 127947020:37
ubottubug 1279470 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "xubuntu, lubuntu images missing secure boot packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127947020:37
Unit193Thought bluesabre looked at it and worked up a merge proposal.20:38
brainwashyes, but still pending20:39
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GreatAnubishi, anyone alive?21:09
Unit193Howdy, Anubis.21:09
elfymostly21:09
GreatAnubishi21:09
brainwashyea21:09
GreatAnubisI'm searching for a solution of an issue I'm having atm with 14 beta 121:10
knome(14.04, there is no "14")21:10
GreatAnubisI've found some 'solutions' which doesn't work for me21:10
GreatAnubisI have a problem with wifi21:10
GreatAnubisit's not stable speed is going down from time to time21:11
GreatAnubisyea 14.0421:11
knomei'd ask #ubuntu+121:12
knomeand specify your wifi adapter and driver you are using21:13
GreatAnubishmm... OK.. I'll go there... I was using Mint till today and I had no such problems at all... today I decided to install smth new 21:14
knomegood luck21:14
GreatAnubiseverything seems to be fine - even Nvidia works fine21:14
knomethat's good to hear :)21:14
GreatAnubisbut wifi issue drives me crazy21:14
knomehardware issues are always... hardware issues :)21:14
GreatAnubishttp://pl.tinypic.com/r/1441f89/821:15
GreatAnubisit looks like this21:15
knomeyeah, but as i said, i'd ask in #ubuntu+121:15
GreatAnubisOK.. I'll 21:15
GreatAnubischeers21:15
knomewhile this isn't technically an awfully wrong place to ask, you'll have better luck there21:16
GreatAnubis:) OK thanks21:16
GreatAnubiscya21:16
knomesince it sounds like a "generic" hardware issue and all, nothing xubuntu-specific21:16
knomesee you, and again, good luck21:16
GreatAnubisunderstood21:16
brainwashknome: bug 37880321:25
ubottubug 378803 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Session tab of Session and Startup is unclear." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37880321:25
brainwashis this really a bug in the ubuntu package or in the online documentation?21:26
brainwash-> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences#session21:26
knome=== System Information ===21:27
knomeXubuntu 9.04.21:27
brainwashso? is it fixed now?21:27
knomei don't know21:27
brainwashthe report is still open21:27
knomei wonder if the interface was different then21:27
knomebut it sounds like it's either a usability bug in the setting dialog, or the xfce (not xubuntu) documentation21:28
brainwashthe online documentation?21:28
knomexfce documentation generally... but practically, that21:29
elfyI'd look - but the Help button is broken for that ... 21:32
brainwashmaybe someone could take a look and add 2-3 sentences to explain the session tab a bit more detailed21:32
brainwashso we can close this report finally :D21:32
knomethe online docs only have screenshots21:33
knomei think the "fix" to this bug was brief descriptions on table title hover21:33
brainwashelfy: bug 128941121:33
ubottubug 1289411 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "Help button of Desktop Settings UI doesn't open online help" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128941121:33
jhenkecu21:34
elfybrainwash: thanks - saw the description of that - but just read comment #421:35
brainwashknome: so we leave the report untouched? I have no idea how to deal with documentation related tasks21:35
knomebrainwash, to me, it doesn't look like a doc-doc task21:35
knomeit looks like something that should be forwarded upstream as a wishlist21:35
brainwashok21:36
knomeand it also looks like a somewhat trivial bugfix21:36
starratsgood evening everyone21:57
starratsmight have spoke to soon or ?  but al my updates/upgrades went just fine a few minutes ago, 21:57
brainwashcan anyone else confirm bug 1282227 ?22:28
ubottubug 1282227 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop-settings dialog not immediately displaying all available wallpapers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128222722:28
brainwashyou might need to reopen the settings window several times and/or switch between folders containing background pictures22:29
ochosibrainwash: works for me with xfdesktop 4.11.422:30
ochosibut yeah, it used to not work22:30
brainwashso it's magically fixed now? :D22:31
brainwashI did not test the latest release yet22:31
ochosido that then :)22:31
ochosianyhoo, the help button in xfdesktop still doesn't work because xfce4-settings needs a patch22:31
ochosiit's still in bugzilla22:32
ochosiso setting that bug you linked to before to "fix released" isn't ideal22:32
brainwashbut I was only few commits behind the last time I've encountered it22:32
brainwashxfdesktop uses the new function call22:33
brainwashand you also confirmed that git/master worked fine22:33
ochosithe problem is the plugged dialog22:33
ochosistandalone works fine22:33
brainwashso it's fixed in xfdesktop :)22:33
ochosiyeah, and in libxfce4ui22:34
ochosibut it also affects xfce4-settings22:34
brainwashmmh, add more clutter to the report?22:34
brainwashI guess yes22:34
ochosiwell, yeah, no other way to track this in a meaningful way22:35
ochosisince it's connected22:35
ochosior submit a new bugreport22:35
brainwashright, it's the same problem after all22:35
brainwashin different packages22:35
ochosicause currently *no* dialogs open the help if they are plugged into the settings-dialog22:35
ochosi(so yeah, in short, we need that patch)22:36
ochosimeh, again bugzilla won't work22:37
brainwashfirefox?22:40
ochosiyeah22:41
ochosiweird22:41
ochosiworks in chromium22:41
brainwashyes, same here22:41
ochosianyhoo, this report/patch should be linked: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074022:41
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 10740 in Settings Manager "Add support for versioned help desktop files" [Normal,New]22:41
brainwashalready done22:41
ochosiah, cool22:42
brainwashochosi: did you take a look at the proposed patches for bug 1290737 ?22:43
ubottubug 1290737 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "Switch off (dpms) time maybe overwritten by xfce power manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129073722:43
ochosii did22:43
ochosii'm not really sure about this tbh22:44
ochosibecause the subject line of the bugreport is still not addressed with the patch22:44
ochosiand it's a bit fugly, even more commandline-fu22:44
brainwashand it's kinda late for experiments22:44
ochosiwell it's kinda foreseeable that it would work22:44
ochosibut yeah, you can still change these settings in xfce4-power-manager and not notice how this affects light-locker22:45
brainwashdo you want to assign the report to yourself?22:47
brainwash(to give the illusion that we are working on it)22:48
brainwashxD22:48
brainwashjk22:48
brainwashand we need to get the abiword fixes in22:52
Naphatulis the beta stable enough for daily use?22:56
ochosibrainwash: i'd rather assign it to Noskcaj as he can add the patch to our package22:57
ochosiNaphatul: i wouldn't recommend it to anyone who asks that question, but i've been using it for a while22:59
knomeochosi, feeling productive?23:39
ochosiknome: depends :)23:47
ochosii'm currently trying to finish my parole features23:47
ochosiactually making good progress23:47
knomeaha23:48
knomewell, we need a sponsorship bug...23:48
knomeunless $uploader magically pops up23:48
knomeor you want to go begging on u-devel23:50
knomeor 1) happens due to 2)23:50
knome:)23:50
ochosiwhat for?23:51
knomedocs23:51
ochosi(meh, sponsorship bug is booooring)23:51
ochosiare they packaged yet?23:51
knomepackaged? hah, it's in the branch23:52
ochosimeh, i don't really know enough about that tbh23:54
ochosialso had to ask someone else to take care of xubuntu-artwork23:55
ochosiwhich is in a similar position (i can push to the branch and update the changelog)23:55

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