[00:44] <ochosi> brainwash: will respond to the bugreport
[00:55] <ochosi> there you go
[01:04] <brainwash> ochosi: thanks
[01:48] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1285440
[01:49] <brainwash> could we add the working command "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" to our custom whisker menu config file?
[01:49] <brainwash> xubuntu-default-settings
[01:50] <brainwash> I know, the shortcut/icon is hidden by default
[01:57] <bluesabre> that's an elaborate bug report
[01:57] <bluesabre> 1. we should definitely add that command to the greeter config so that it works if enabled
[01:58] <bluesabre> 2. not really sure its necessary to know about virtual consoles, light-locker/lightdm are handling all that for you
[01:59] <bluesabre> but I do wonder (care to experiment?) if light-locker creates a new VT every time ( 8 9 10 ), or if new VTs go away after successful login
[01:59] <bluesabre> ooh, but I do have an opinion about the internet-mail icon
[01:59] <bluesabre> oh wait
[01:59] <bluesabre> nvm
[01:59] <bluesabre> :)
[02:00]  * bluesabre hides
[02:12] <brainwash> ?!
[02:12] <brainwash> :D
[02:12] <brainwash> adding the command to the greeter config?
[02:12] <bluesabre> yeah, whisker comfig
[02:13] <bluesabre> I give up on typing
[02:13] <bluesabre> >.<
[02:13] <brainwash> ok, that makes sense :)
[02:14] <brainwash> and what about the second part about virtual consoles?
[02:15] <brainwash> lightdm re-uses existing greeter instances
[02:15] <bluesabre> from the bug report, there seems to be a concern that multiple virtual consoles are being spawned
[02:16] <brainwash> oh, looks like I skipped that part, don't really like so much detail in a bug report
[02:17] <bluesabre> :)
[02:21] <brainwash> bluesabre: btw I was able to build xfdesktop via daily build recipe
[02:21] <bluesabre> excellent, congrats :)
[02:22] <brainwash> thanks :D
[02:23] <brainwash> and adding git commit messages to debian/changelog is easy, but the build bot is not able to yet
[03:06] <brainwash> ali1234: bug 1208681
[03:06] <brainwash> fixed now too, right?
[03:40] <bluesabre> micahg: this one is easy, simple debdiff (but all packaging is included as well)
[03:40] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1294459
[03:40] <bluesabre> in case you're interested and have 2 minutes :)
[03:41] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[07:10] <elfy> morning dkessel 
[07:11] <dkessel> good morning elfy
[09:26] <AussieDownUnder> Is there going to be a way to get rid of the xscreensaver from the system settings? I currently have light-locker & even though I uninstalled xscreensaver there's an icon left for it in there.
[09:30] <ochosi> AussieDownUnder: can you show me a screenshot of that item in the settings manager? i.e. are you sure it's not light-locker-settings? (they use the same icon)
[09:31] <AussieDownUnder> It says screensaver & has the same icon as light-locker. If I click on it I get "Unable to start "xscreensaver-demo", it's the same icon I used to adjust xscreensaver before I uninstalled it, if that makes sense? I'll get you some screens.
[09:37] <AussieDownUnder> And I just pushed a hotkey 3 times to take screen shots & my screen went permanently black, could only see the screen seelection cross hairs & couldn't get back to my screen, tried locking the pc & re logging back in but didn't fix it
[09:37] <ochosi> AussieDownUnder: did you uninstall xscreensaver by hand? i guess there is another package, e.g. xscreensaver-settings
[09:38] <ochosi> with the crosshair you can drag a selection for the screenshot...
[09:38] <AussieDownUnder> ochosi, yeah I know, I pushed the shortcut to it 3 times & each time the screen went darker, I couldn't manage to get out of it.
[09:38] <ochosi> sure you can
[09:39] <ochosi> just drag with the mouse and let go
[09:43] <AussieDownUnder> Yeah I tried
[09:43] <ochosi> anyway, just don't hit the print key so often ;)
[09:43] <AussieDownUnder> ochosi, dw I already learnt my lesson
[09:52] <AussieDownUnder> <a href="http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php">
[09:52] <AussieDownUnder>   <img src="http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-190314-194336.php" />
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[09:52] <AussieDownUnder> Whoops
[09:53] <AussieDownUnder> ochosi, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php][img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-190314-194336.php
[09:53] <AussieDownUnder> Sorry, still an IRC & ubuntu noob. Does this work? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php
[09:53] <ochosi> you definitely need more practice with the screenshooter ;D
[09:53] <ochosi> sure, works fine
[09:54] <ochosi> yeah, check whether xscreensaver-settings or something alike is still installed
[09:54] <ochosi> you can also just run "sudo apt-get remove xscreensaver*"
[09:54] <AussieDownUnder> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-195406.php
[09:55] <AussieDownUnder> It's already been uninstalled in a terminal in order to get light-locker functioning?
[09:55] <ochosi> no, there seem to be some leftovers
[09:56] <ochosi> you haven't uninstalled everything of xscreensaver *obviously*
[09:56] <AussieDownUnder> How could I find out properly? Any file to look at that would tell wha'ts installed?
[12:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: 2 minutes for what exactly? the bugreport looks good from my side! thanks!
[12:24] <brainwash> ochosi: so, should we add "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" to the whisker menu config?
[12:24] <ochosi> brainwash: did you read my comment #1?
[12:24] <ochosi> (if so, you know my reply)
[12:25] <brainwash> oh
[12:25] <brainwash> did not get notified about the comment
[12:27] <brainwash> mmh
[12:27] <brainwash> switch-to-greeter triggers light-locker
[12:28] <brainwash> it's not about activating the switch-user button, I only want to change the command
[12:29] <ochosi> right, that we could do
[12:29] <ochosi> definitely better to put something there that works than keep gdmflexi...
[12:29] <brainwash> great, not sure if an upstream change would make it in time for trusty
[12:29] <brainwash> exactly
[12:30] <ochosi> i think the security concerns are valid enough to hide it by default
[12:30] <ochosi> (apart from the visual clutter it adds)
[12:30] <brainwash> yes, and locking the screen also allows the a user switch
[12:31] <ochosi> exactly
[12:33] <ochosi> i'll update the whisker-MR accordingly...
[12:33] <ochosi> feel free to reply that we discussed it and concluded this
[12:33] <ochosi> (on the bugreport i mean
[12:33] <ochosi> )
[12:33] <brainwash> ok
[12:35] <brainwash> the strange gtk-greeter bug seems to affect vm installations
[12:35] <brainwash> but maybe most people just use a vm to test xubuntu 14.04
[12:36] <ochosi> i've had it in a normal install
[12:36] <ochosi> so it's not restricted to VMs unfortunately
[12:37] <brainwash> I don't like bugs which I cannot reproduce easily :)
[12:39] <ochosi> yeah, sucks quite a bit, that bug
[12:40] <brainwash> btw is anyone working on improving the non-list-mode lock mode?
[12:40] <brainwash> or is a discussion needed first?
[12:43] <ochosi> not right now
[12:44] <ochosi> the focus is on fixing bugs in xubuntu first
[12:44] <ochosi> and this one doesn't really concern me for xubuntu
[12:44] <ochosi> (and it's not even a bug, as stated previously, but an enhancement)
[12:45] <brainwash> indeed
[12:45] <knome> jjfrv8, merged your branch and fixed the visual issue we were having.
[12:45] <ochosi> micahg: pleeeease, merge the xubuntu-default-settings stuff!
[12:47] <ochosi> micahg: or if you can't, just let me know and i'll get sponsors to help us with this. but i think we *want* those in B2
[12:47] <knome> yes
[12:47] <knome> please
[12:48] <knome> ochosi, you will be pleased with this: bug 1294619
[12:48] <knome> and poked stgraber as promised, he'll look at it and most probably just upload as well...
[12:51] <ochosi> weeee
[12:51] <ochosi> nice knome 
[12:52] <ochosi> also got another bug in indicator-sound fixed for us today \o/
[12:52] <ochosi> (well, also for unity)
[12:53] <knome> good
[12:54] <slickymasterWork> so knome, the slideshow is finished, right?
[12:54] <knome> yes, and the translation templates are updated
[12:54] <knome> BUT
[12:54] <knome> it's not in the main branch yet, as the UIFe is not approved
[12:54] <slickymasterWork> and that's a big but :)
[12:54]  * slickymasterWork moans
[12:54] <knome> well,
[12:55] <knome> it should be up later today
[12:55] <knome> ochosi, can you open me this a bit:
[12:55] <knome> ochosi, "Lock the screen on suspend/resume"
[12:55] <knome> so,
[12:55] <slickymasterWork> I'll check, later on, to see if I can start, or not, working on its translation
[12:55] <knome> a free translation like "Lock the screen on suspend" would work?
[12:56] <knome> weren't too many strings that changed
[12:57] <knome> ochosi, because almost-literally translating, the string would be "Lukitse näyttö keskeytystilaan siirtyessä/siitä palautuessa"
[12:57] <knome> which is... a long string.
[12:57] <knome> the free translation would be "Lukitse näyttö keskeytystilassa"
[12:58] <knome> slickymasterWork, follow the bug! :)
[12:58] <knome> bug 1294619
[12:58] <knome> that *should* give good indication of progress
[12:58] <knome> and i can just poke you if i'm told it's up
[12:59] <knome> don't hold your breath, stgraber lives across the pond ;)
[12:59] <knome> ochosi, actually, i just did the shorted translation
[12:59] <knome> ochosi, your strings are up :P
[13:00] <slickymasterWork> knome: Affecting me and raised to Confirmed status
[13:00] <knome> slickymasterWork, oh please no!
[13:00] <knome> i don't think that's how those bugs are tracked...
[13:01] <knome> i put it back to new
[13:01] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I'm seeing now my wrong :P
[13:01] <knome> that's okay
[13:01] <knome> fortunately we can touch those :P
[13:01] <knome> hmpf, should eat and shower
[13:01] <knome> which order? :P
[13:01] <knome> probably the other
[13:01] <knome> bbl
[13:02] <slickymasterWork> I just saw you saying follow the bug and thought it was to marl it
[13:02] <slickymasterWork> s/marl/mark
[13:06] <slickymasterWork> bbl ->
[13:09] <ochosi> knome: thanks a bunch!
[13:10] <ochosi> knome: also, could you re-approve my MR for the whiskermenu settings to x-d-s?
[13:11] <ochosi> and i guess the last UIFe is the wallpaper, right?
[13:13] <knome> what MR? :)
[13:14] <knome> and yes, wallpaper should be the last UIFe
[13:16] <ochosi> knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/whiskermenu_defaults/+merge/211714
[13:19] <starrats> good morning everyone!
[13:19] <starrats>  might have to file another bug report on 14.04 my updates went okay but the upgrades reverted back to last week when I had some  │ zequence
[13:19] <starrats>                           | issues concerning some packages missing                    
[13:19] <knome> ochosi, done
[13:24] <ochosi> ty
[13:25] <starrats> b4 getting off the laptop tonight  I'll run another update/upgrade to see if it happens again.  
[14:25] <jjfrv8> knome, pulled your docs branch changes and did a quick scan of the pages. Just found two minor issues...
[14:26] <jjfrv8> one is just a wording change, the other is in Appendix A. menulibre's friendly name is listed as 'Main Menu' instead of 'Menu Editor'
[14:29] <jjfrv8> knome, is it safe for me to make those corrections and push them directly to xubuntu-docs?
[15:44] <jhenke> hi
[16:27] <knome> jjfrv8, yep.
[16:27] <knome> jhenke, hello
[16:33] <jjfrv8> knome, ok, damage done :)
[16:33] <knome> ;)
[17:09] <knome> so, apparently we need somebody to do docs uploads
[17:16] <elfy> afternoon all
[17:17] <knome> hey elfy 
[17:17] <elfy> I'm free till April Fools Day :)
[17:18] <knome> congrats
[17:18] <knome> i have a request
[17:18] <knome> learn packaging, apply and get upload rights for xubuntu-docs today and upload the package tomorrow. okay?
[17:19] <elfy> I'm on it ... 
[17:21] <elfy> can't do it - got called into work 
[17:21] <elfy> :p
[17:22] <knome> oh boo!
[17:22] <knome> elfy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes
[17:22] <elfy> no-one to do stuff again I guess
[17:22] <knome> elfy, i just split the testing-related stuff out from the "releasing" table, and put them to their own table
[17:22] <knome> please review and see if we are missing anything
[17:23] <elfy> ok
[17:23] <knome> or the schedule is completely off ;)
[17:24] <elfy> what is smoketest images?
[17:24] <elfy> is that what jenkins reports?
[17:24] <knome> either jenkins or manual smoketesting
[17:25] <knome> it's mostly a leftover from the previous QA lead, haven't touched that schedule too much...
[17:25] <knome> feel free to edit as appropriate
[17:25] <knome> or in other words, to make it mirror reality :P
[17:25] <elfy> well we certainly don't do anything specific about smoketests
[17:26] <knome> yeah, so fix the documentation ;)
[17:26] <knome> i mean,
[17:26] <knome> this page is here to tell us what we need to do
[17:26] <knome> this page is here for us to document what we do
[17:26] <elfy> yep
[18:28] <elfy> knome: that wiki is more or less what we do - 7 days - I tend to warn people it's in it's way, 5 days - smoketesting is Jenkins - we don't do anything specific, 3 days we test, release day we mark
[18:29] <knome> elfy, ok, good. few suggestions: maybe specify the smoketesting is jenkins; and maybe specify we just don't mark the images ready, but actually think about it mark them ready only if they are ready
[18:29] <elfy> I'm specifically speficing things now :)
[18:31] <elfy> done
[18:35] <knome> hehe
[18:55] <m3741> hey everyone, maybe this is a better place to ask. i'm looking for the live-build auto/config script that is used to build xubuntu saucy. anyone have a url per chance?
[19:03] <ali1234> m3741: what, all of it?
[19:04] <m3741> ali1234: i'd happily take the whole thing
[19:05] <m3741> well, all the live-build scripts. all the auto scripts, everything under package-lists, etc...
[20:37] <brainwash> micahg: please take a look at bug 1279470
[20:38] <Unit193> Thought bluesabre looked at it and worked up a merge proposal.
[20:39] <brainwash> yes, but still pending
[21:09] <GreatAnubis> hi, anyone alive?
[21:09] <Unit193> Howdy, Anubis.
[21:09] <elfy> mostly
[21:09] <GreatAnubis> hi
[21:09] <brainwash> yea
[21:10] <GreatAnubis> I'm searching for a solution of an issue I'm having atm with 14 beta 1
[21:10] <knome> (14.04, there is no "14")
[21:10] <GreatAnubis> I've found some 'solutions' which doesn't work for me
[21:10] <GreatAnubis> I have a problem with wifi
[21:11] <GreatAnubis> it's not stable speed is going down from time to time
[21:11] <GreatAnubis> yea 14.04
[21:12] <knome> i'd ask #ubuntu+1
[21:13] <knome> and specify your wifi adapter and driver you are using
[21:14] <GreatAnubis> hmm... OK.. I'll go there... I was using Mint till today and I had no such problems at all... today I decided to install smth new 
[21:14] <knome> good luck
[21:14] <GreatAnubis> everything seems to be fine - even Nvidia works fine
[21:14] <knome> that's good to hear :)
[21:14] <GreatAnubis> but wifi issue drives me crazy
[21:14] <knome> hardware issues are always... hardware issues :)
[21:15] <GreatAnubis> http://pl.tinypic.com/r/1441f89/8
[21:15] <GreatAnubis> it looks like this
[21:15] <knome> yeah, but as i said, i'd ask in #ubuntu+1
[21:15] <GreatAnubis> OK.. I'll 
[21:15] <GreatAnubis> cheers
[21:16] <knome> while this isn't technically an awfully wrong place to ask, you'll have better luck there
[21:16] <GreatAnubis> :) OK thanks
[21:16] <GreatAnubis> cya
[21:16] <knome> since it sounds like a "generic" hardware issue and all, nothing xubuntu-specific
[21:16] <knome> see you, and again, good luck
[21:16] <GreatAnubis> understood
[21:25] <brainwash> knome: bug 378803
[21:26] <brainwash> is this really a bug in the ubuntu package or in the online documentation?
[21:26] <brainwash> -> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences#session
[21:27] <knome> [21:27] <knome> Xubuntu 9.04.
[21:27] <brainwash> so? is it fixed now?
[21:27] <knome> i don't know
[21:27] <brainwash> the report is still open
[21:27] <knome> i wonder if the interface was different then
[21:28] <knome> but it sounds like it's either a usability bug in the setting dialog, or the xfce (not xubuntu) documentation
[21:28] <brainwash> the online documentation?
[21:29] <knome> xfce documentation generally... but practically, that
[21:32] <elfy> I'd look - but the Help button is broken for that ... 
[21:32] <brainwash> maybe someone could take a look and add 2-3 sentences to explain the session tab a bit more detailed
[21:32] <brainwash> so we can close this report finally :D
[21:33] <knome> the online docs only have screenshots
[21:33] <knome> i think the "fix" to this bug was brief descriptions on table title hover
[21:33] <brainwash> elfy: bug 1289411
[21:34] <jhenke> cu
[21:35] <elfy> brainwash: thanks - saw the description of that - but just read comment #4
[21:35] <brainwash> knome: so we leave the report untouched? I have no idea how to deal with documentation related tasks
[21:35] <knome> brainwash, to me, it doesn't look like a doc-doc task
[21:35] <knome> it looks like something that should be forwarded upstream as a wishlist
[21:36] <brainwash> ok
[21:36] <knome> and it also looks like a somewhat trivial bugfix
[21:57] <starrats> good evening everyone
[21:57] <starrats> might have spoke to soon or ?  but al my updates/upgrades went just fine a few minutes ago, 
[22:28] <brainwash> can anyone else confirm bug 1282227 ?
[22:29] <brainwash> you might need to reopen the settings window several times and/or switch between folders containing background pictures
[22:30] <ochosi> brainwash: works for me with xfdesktop 4.11.4
[22:30] <ochosi> but yeah, it used to not work
[22:31] <brainwash> so it's magically fixed now? :D
[22:31] <brainwash> I did not test the latest release yet
[22:31] <ochosi> do that then :)
[22:31] <ochosi> anyhoo, the help button in xfdesktop still doesn't work because xfce4-settings needs a patch
[22:32] <ochosi> it's still in bugzilla
[22:32] <ochosi> so setting that bug you linked to before to "fix released" isn't ideal
[22:32] <brainwash> but I was only few commits behind the last time I've encountered it
[22:33] <brainwash> xfdesktop uses the new function call
[22:33] <brainwash> and you also confirmed that git/master worked fine
[22:33] <ochosi> the problem is the plugged dialog
[22:33] <ochosi> standalone works fine
[22:33] <brainwash> so it's fixed in xfdesktop :)
[22:34] <ochosi> yeah, and in libxfce4ui
[22:34] <ochosi> but it also affects xfce4-settings
[22:34] <brainwash> mmh, add more clutter to the report?
[22:34] <brainwash> I guess yes
[22:35] <ochosi> well, yeah, no other way to track this in a meaningful way
[22:35] <ochosi> since it's connected
[22:35] <ochosi> or submit a new bugreport
[22:35] <brainwash> right, it's the same problem after all
[22:35] <brainwash> in different packages
[22:35] <ochosi> cause currently *no* dialogs open the help if they are plugged into the settings-dialog
[22:36] <ochosi> (so yeah, in short, we need that patch)
[22:37] <ochosi> meh, again bugzilla won't work
[22:40] <brainwash> firefox?
[22:41] <ochosi> yeah
[22:41] <ochosi> weird
[22:41] <ochosi> works in chromium
[22:41] <brainwash> yes, same here
[22:41] <ochosi> anyhoo, this report/patch should be linked: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10740
[22:41] <brainwash> already done
[22:42] <ochosi> ah, cool
[22:43] <brainwash> ochosi: did you take a look at the proposed patches for bug 1290737 ?
[22:43] <ochosi> i did
[22:44] <ochosi> i'm not really sure about this tbh
[22:44] <ochosi> because the subject line of the bugreport is still not addressed with the patch
[22:44] <ochosi> and it's a bit fugly, even more commandline-fu
[22:44] <brainwash> and it's kinda late for experiments
[22:44] <ochosi> well it's kinda foreseeable that it would work
[22:45] <ochosi> but yeah, you can still change these settings in xfce4-power-manager and not notice how this affects light-locker
[22:47] <brainwash> do you want to assign the report to yourself?
[22:48] <brainwash> (to give the illusion that we are working on it)
[22:48] <brainwash> xD
[22:48] <brainwash> jk
[22:52] <brainwash> and we need to get the abiword fixes in
[22:56] <Naphatul> is the beta stable enough for daily use?
[22:57] <ochosi> brainwash: i'd rather assign it to Noskcaj as he can add the patch to our package
[22:59] <ochosi> Naphatul: i wouldn't recommend it to anyone who asks that question, but i've been using it for a while
[23:39] <knome> ochosi, feeling productive?
[23:47] <ochosi> knome: depends :)
[23:47] <ochosi> i'm currently trying to finish my parole features
[23:47] <ochosi> actually making good progress
[23:48] <knome> aha
[23:48] <knome> well, we need a sponsorship bug...
[23:48] <knome> unless $uploader magically pops up
[23:50] <knome> or you want to go begging on u-devel
[23:50] <knome> or 1) happens due to 2)
[23:50] <knome> :)
[23:51] <ochosi> what for?
[23:51] <knome> docs
[23:51] <ochosi> (meh, sponsorship bug is booooring)
[23:51] <ochosi> are they packaged yet?
[23:52] <knome> packaged? hah, it's in the branch
[23:54] <ochosi> meh, i don't really know enough about that tbh
[23:55] <ochosi> also had to ask someone else to take care of xubuntu-artwork
[23:55] <ochosi> which is in a similar position (i can push to the branch and update the changelog)