[00:44] brainwash: will respond to the bugreport [00:55] there you go [01:04] ochosi: thanks [01:48] ochosi: bug 1285440 [01:48] bug 1285440 in xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin "Switch Users" functionality" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285440 [01:49] could we add the working command "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" to our custom whisker menu config file? [01:49] xubuntu-default-settings [01:50] I know, the shortcut/icon is hidden by default [01:57] that's an elaborate bug report [01:57] 1. we should definitely add that command to the greeter config so that it works if enabled [01:58] 2. not really sure its necessary to know about virtual consoles, light-locker/lightdm are handling all that for you [01:59] but I do wonder (care to experiment?) if light-locker creates a new VT every time ( 8 9 10 ), or if new VTs go away after successful login [01:59] ooh, but I do have an opinion about the internet-mail icon [01:59] oh wait [01:59] nvm [01:59] :) [02:00] * bluesabre hides [02:12] ?! [02:12] :D [02:12] adding the command to the greeter config? [02:12] yeah, whisker comfig [02:13] I give up on typing [02:13] >.< [02:13] ok, that makes sense :) [02:14] and what about the second part about virtual consoles? [02:15] lightdm re-uses existing greeter instances [02:15] from the bug report, there seems to be a concern that multiple virtual consoles are being spawned [02:16] oh, looks like I skipped that part, don't really like so much detail in a bug report [02:17] :) [02:21] bluesabre: btw I was able to build xfdesktop via daily build recipe [02:21] excellent, congrats :) [02:22] thanks :D [02:23] and adding git commit messages to debian/changelog is easy, but the build bot is not able to yet [03:06] ali1234: bug 1208681 [03:06] bug 1208681 in thunar (Ubuntu) "PCManFM bookmarks are not being respected by other applications due to GTK 3.0" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208681 [03:06] fixed now too, right? [03:40] micahg: this one is easy, simple debdiff (but all packaging is included as well) [03:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1294459 [03:40] Launchpad bug 1294459 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] shimmer-themes-1.7.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:40] in case you're interested and have 2 minutes :) [03:41] ochosi ^ [07:10] morning dkessel [07:11] good morning elfy [09:26] Is there going to be a way to get rid of the xscreensaver from the system settings? I currently have light-locker & even though I uninstalled xscreensaver there's an icon left for it in there. [09:30] AussieDownUnder: can you show me a screenshot of that item in the settings manager? i.e. are you sure it's not light-locker-settings? (they use the same icon) [09:31] It says screensaver & has the same icon as light-locker. If I click on it I get "Unable to start "xscreensaver-demo", it's the same icon I used to adjust xscreensaver before I uninstalled it, if that makes sense? I'll get you some screens. [09:37] And I just pushed a hotkey 3 times to take screen shots & my screen went permanently black, could only see the screen seelection cross hairs & couldn't get back to my screen, tried locking the pc & re logging back in but didn't fix it [09:37] AussieDownUnder: did you uninstall xscreensaver by hand? i guess there is another package, e.g. xscreensaver-settings [09:38] with the crosshair you can drag a selection for the screenshot... [09:38] ochosi, yeah I know, I pushed the shortcut to it 3 times & each time the screen went darker, I couldn't manage to get out of it. [09:38] sure you can [09:39] just drag with the mouse and let go [09:43] Yeah I tried [09:43] anyway, just don't hit the print key so often ;) [09:43] ochosi, dw I already learnt my lesson [09:52] [09:52]

[09:52] [09:52] Whoops [09:53] ochosi, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php][img]http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-190314-194336.php [09:53] Sorry, still an IRC & ubuntu noob. Does this work? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-194336.php [09:53] you definitely need more practice with the screenshooter ;D [09:53] sure, works fine [09:54] yeah, check whether xscreensaver-settings or something alike is still installed [09:54] you can also just run "sudo apt-get remove xscreensaver*" [09:54] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-190314-195406.php [09:55] It's already been uninstalled in a terminal in order to get light-locker functioning? [09:55] no, there seem to be some leftovers [09:56] you haven't uninstalled everything of xscreensaver *obviously* [09:56] How could I find out properly? Any file to look at that would tell wha'ts installed? [12:21] bluesabre: 2 minutes for what exactly? the bugreport looks good from my side! thanks! [12:24] ochosi: so, should we add "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" to the whisker menu config? [12:24] brainwash: did you read my comment #1? [12:24] (if so, you know my reply) [12:25] oh [12:25] did not get notified about the comment [12:27] mmh [12:27] switch-to-greeter triggers light-locker [12:28] it's not about activating the switch-user button, I only want to change the command [12:29] right, that we could do [12:29] definitely better to put something there that works than keep gdmflexi... [12:29] great, not sure if an upstream change would make it in time for trusty [12:29] exactly [12:30] i think the security concerns are valid enough to hide it by default [12:30] (apart from the visual clutter it adds) [12:30] yes, and locking the screen also allows the a user switch [12:31] exactly [12:33] i'll update the whisker-MR accordingly... [12:33] feel free to reply that we discussed it and concluded this [12:33] (on the bugreport i mean [12:33] ) [12:33] ok [12:35] the strange gtk-greeter bug seems to affect vm installations [12:35] but maybe most people just use a vm to test xubuntu 14.04 [12:36] i've had it in a normal install [12:36] so it's not restricted to VMs unfortunately [12:37] I don't like bugs which I cannot reproduce easily :) [12:39] yeah, sucks quite a bit, that bug [12:40] btw is anyone working on improving the non-list-mode lock mode? [12:40] or is a discussion needed first? [12:43] not right now [12:44] the focus is on fixing bugs in xubuntu first [12:44] and this one doesn't really concern me for xubuntu [12:44] (and it's not even a bug, as stated previously, but an enhancement) [12:45] indeed [12:45] jjfrv8, merged your branch and fixed the visual issue we were having. [12:45] micahg: pleeeease, merge the xubuntu-default-settings stuff! [12:47] micahg: or if you can't, just let me know and i'll get sponsors to help us with this. but i think we *want* those in B2 [12:47] yes [12:47] please [12:48] ochosi, you will be pleased with this: bug 1294619 [12:48] bug 1294619 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update the Ubiquity slideshow (Xubuntu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1294619 [12:48] and poked stgraber as promised, he'll look at it and most probably just upload as well... [12:51] weeee [12:51] nice knome [12:52] also got another bug in indicator-sound fixed for us today \o/ [12:52] (well, also for unity) [12:53] good [12:54] so knome, the slideshow is finished, right? [12:54] yes, and the translation templates are updated [12:54] BUT [12:54] it's not in the main branch yet, as the UIFe is not approved [12:54] and that's a big but :) [12:54] * slickymasterWork moans [12:54] well, [12:55] it should be up later today [12:55] ochosi, can you open me this a bit: [12:55] ochosi, "Lock the screen on suspend/resume" [12:55] so, [12:55] I'll check, later on, to see if I can start, or not, working on its translation [12:55] a free translation like "Lock the screen on suspend" would work? [12:56] weren't too many strings that changed [12:57] ochosi, because almost-literally translating, the string would be "Lukitse näyttö keskeytystilaan siirtyessä/siitä palautuessa" [12:57] which is... a long string. [12:57] the free translation would be "Lukitse näyttö keskeytystilassa" [12:58] slickymasterWork, follow the bug! :) [12:58] bug 1294619 [12:58] bug 1294619 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update the Ubiquity slideshow (Xubuntu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1294619 [12:58] that *should* give good indication of progress [12:58] and i can just poke you if i'm told it's up [12:59] don't hold your breath, stgraber lives across the pond ;) [12:59] ochosi, actually, i just did the shorted translation [12:59] ochosi, your strings are up :P [13:00] knome: Affecting me and raised to Confirmed status [13:00] slickymasterWork, oh please no! [13:00] i don't think that's how those bugs are tracked... [13:01] i put it back to new [13:01] yeah, I'm seeing now my wrong :P [13:01] that's okay [13:01] fortunately we can touch those :P [13:01] hmpf, should eat and shower [13:01] which order? :P [13:01] probably the other [13:01] bbl [13:02] I just saw you saying follow the bug and thought it was to marl it [13:02] s/marl/mark [13:06] bbl -> [13:09] knome: thanks a bunch! [13:10] knome: also, could you re-approve my MR for the whiskermenu settings to x-d-s? [13:11] and i guess the last UIFe is the wallpaper, right? [13:13] what MR? :) [13:14] and yes, wallpaper should be the last UIFe [13:16] knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/whiskermenu_defaults/+merge/211714 [13:19] good morning everyone! [13:19] might have to file another bug report on 14.04 my updates went okay but the upgrades reverted back to last week when I had some │ zequence [13:19] | issues concerning some packages missing [13:19] ochosi, done [13:24] ty [13:25] b4 getting off the laptop tonight I'll run another update/upgrade to see if it happens again. [14:25] knome, pulled your docs branch changes and did a quick scan of the pages. Just found two minor issues... [14:26] one is just a wording change, the other is in Appendix A. menulibre's friendly name is listed as 'Main Menu' instead of 'Menu Editor' [14:29] knome, is it safe for me to make those corrections and push them directly to xubuntu-docs? [15:44] hi [16:27] jjfrv8, yep. [16:27] jhenke, hello [16:33] knome, ok, damage done :) [16:33] ;) [17:09] so, apparently we need somebody to do docs uploads [17:16] afternoon all [17:17] hey elfy [17:17] I'm free till April Fools Day :) [17:18] congrats [17:18] i have a request [17:18] learn packaging, apply and get upload rights for xubuntu-docs today and upload the package tomorrow. okay? [17:19] I'm on it ... [17:21] can't do it - got called into work [17:21] :p [17:22] oh boo! [17:22] elfy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes [17:22] no-one to do stuff again I guess [17:22] elfy, i just split the testing-related stuff out from the "releasing" table, and put them to their own table [17:22] please review and see if we are missing anything [17:23] ok [17:23] or the schedule is completely off ;) [17:24] what is smoketest images? [17:24] is that what jenkins reports? [17:24] either jenkins or manual smoketesting [17:25] it's mostly a leftover from the previous QA lead, haven't touched that schedule too much... [17:25] feel free to edit as appropriate [17:25] or in other words, to make it mirror reality :P [17:25] well we certainly don't do anything specific about smoketests [17:26] yeah, so fix the documentation ;) [17:26] i mean, [17:26] this page is here to tell us what we need to do [17:26] this page is here for us to document what we do [17:26] yep [18:28] knome: that wiki is more or less what we do - 7 days - I tend to warn people it's in it's way, 5 days - smoketesting is Jenkins - we don't do anything specific, 3 days we test, release day we mark [18:29] elfy, ok, good. few suggestions: maybe specify the smoketesting is jenkins; and maybe specify we just don't mark the images ready, but actually think about it mark them ready only if they are ready [18:29] I'm specifically speficing things now :) [18:31] done [18:35] hehe === jackson is now known as Guest40265 [18:55] hey everyone, maybe this is a better place to ask. i'm looking for the live-build auto/config script that is used to build xubuntu saucy. anyone have a url per chance? === Guest40265 is now known as Noskcaj [19:03] m3741: what, all of it? [19:04] ali1234: i'd happily take the whole thing [19:05] well, all the live-build scripts. all the auto scripts, everything under package-lists, etc... [20:37] micahg: please take a look at bug 1279470 [20:37] bug 1279470 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "xubuntu, lubuntu images missing secure boot packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279470 [20:38] Thought bluesabre looked at it and worked up a merge proposal. [20:39] yes, but still pending === Anubis is now known as Guest53930 === Guest53930 is now known as GreatAnubis [21:09] hi, anyone alive? [21:09] Howdy, Anubis. [21:09] mostly [21:09] hi [21:09] yea [21:10] I'm searching for a solution of an issue I'm having atm with 14 beta 1 [21:10] (14.04, there is no "14") [21:10] I've found some 'solutions' which doesn't work for me [21:10] I have a problem with wifi [21:11] it's not stable speed is going down from time to time [21:11] yea 14.04 [21:12] i'd ask #ubuntu+1 [21:13] and specify your wifi adapter and driver you are using [21:14] hmm... OK.. I'll go there... I was using Mint till today and I had no such problems at all... today I decided to install smth new [21:14] good luck [21:14] everything seems to be fine - even Nvidia works fine [21:14] that's good to hear :) [21:14] but wifi issue drives me crazy [21:14] hardware issues are always... hardware issues :) [21:15] http://pl.tinypic.com/r/1441f89/8 [21:15] it looks like this [21:15] yeah, but as i said, i'd ask in #ubuntu+1 [21:15] OK.. I'll [21:15] cheers [21:16] while this isn't technically an awfully wrong place to ask, you'll have better luck there [21:16] :) OK thanks [21:16] cya [21:16] since it sounds like a "generic" hardware issue and all, nothing xubuntu-specific [21:16] see you, and again, good luck [21:16] understood [21:25] knome: bug 378803 [21:25] bug 378803 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Session tab of Session and Startup is unclear." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378803 [21:26] is this really a bug in the ubuntu package or in the online documentation? [21:26] -> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences#session [21:27] === System Information === [21:27] Xubuntu 9.04. [21:27] so? is it fixed now? [21:27] i don't know [21:27] the report is still open [21:27] i wonder if the interface was different then [21:28] but it sounds like it's either a usability bug in the setting dialog, or the xfce (not xubuntu) documentation [21:28] the online documentation? [21:29] xfce documentation generally... but practically, that [21:32] I'd look - but the Help button is broken for that ... [21:32] maybe someone could take a look and add 2-3 sentences to explain the session tab a bit more detailed [21:32] so we can close this report finally :D [21:33] the online docs only have screenshots [21:33] i think the "fix" to this bug was brief descriptions on table title hover [21:33] elfy: bug 1289411 [21:33] bug 1289411 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "Help button of Desktop Settings UI doesn't open online help" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289411 [21:34] cu [21:35] brainwash: thanks - saw the description of that - but just read comment #4 [21:35] knome: so we leave the report untouched? I have no idea how to deal with documentation related tasks [21:35] brainwash, to me, it doesn't look like a doc-doc task [21:35] it looks like something that should be forwarded upstream as a wishlist [21:36] ok [21:36] and it also looks like a somewhat trivial bugfix [21:57] good evening everyone [21:57] might have spoke to soon or ? but al my updates/upgrades went just fine a few minutes ago, [22:28] can anyone else confirm bug 1282227 ? [22:28] bug 1282227 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "xfdesktop-settings dialog not immediately displaying all available wallpapers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282227 [22:29] you might need to reopen the settings window several times and/or switch between folders containing background pictures [22:30] brainwash: works for me with xfdesktop 4.11.4 [22:30] but yeah, it used to not work [22:31] so it's magically fixed now? :D [22:31] I did not test the latest release yet [22:31] do that then :) [22:31] anyhoo, the help button in xfdesktop still doesn't work because xfce4-settings needs a patch [22:32] it's still in bugzilla [22:32] so setting that bug you linked to before to "fix released" isn't ideal [22:32] but I was only few commits behind the last time I've encountered it [22:33] xfdesktop uses the new function call [22:33] and you also confirmed that git/master worked fine [22:33] the problem is the plugged dialog [22:33] standalone works fine [22:33] so it's fixed in xfdesktop :) [22:34] yeah, and in libxfce4ui [22:34] but it also affects xfce4-settings [22:34] mmh, add more clutter to the report? [22:34] I guess yes [22:35] well, yeah, no other way to track this in a meaningful way [22:35] since it's connected [22:35] or submit a new bugreport [22:35] right, it's the same problem after all [22:35] in different packages [22:35] cause currently *no* dialogs open the help if they are plugged into the settings-dialog [22:36] (so yeah, in short, we need that patch) [22:37] meh, again bugzilla won't work [22:40] firefox? [22:41] yeah [22:41] weird [22:41] works in chromium [22:41] yes, same here [22:41] anyhoo, this report/patch should be linked: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10740 [22:41] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10740 in Settings Manager "Add support for versioned help desktop files" [Normal,New] [22:41] already done [22:42] ah, cool [22:43] ochosi: did you take a look at the proposed patches for bug 1290737 ? [22:43] bug 1290737 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "Switch off (dpms) time maybe overwritten by xfce power manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290737 [22:43] i did [22:44] i'm not really sure about this tbh [22:44] because the subject line of the bugreport is still not addressed with the patch [22:44] and it's a bit fugly, even more commandline-fu [22:44] and it's kinda late for experiments [22:44] well it's kinda foreseeable that it would work [22:45] but yeah, you can still change these settings in xfce4-power-manager and not notice how this affects light-locker [22:47] do you want to assign the report to yourself? [22:48] (to give the illusion that we are working on it) [22:48] xD [22:48] jk [22:52] and we need to get the abiword fixes in [22:56] is the beta stable enough for daily use? [22:57] brainwash: i'd rather assign it to Noskcaj as he can add the patch to our package [22:59] Naphatul: i wouldn't recommend it to anyone who asks that question, but i've been using it for a while [23:39] ochosi, feeling productive? [23:47] knome: depends :) [23:47] i'm currently trying to finish my parole features [23:47] actually making good progress [23:48] aha [23:48] well, we need a sponsorship bug... [23:48] unless $uploader magically pops up [23:50] or you want to go begging on u-devel [23:50] or 1) happens due to 2) [23:50] :) [23:51] what for? [23:51] docs [23:51] (meh, sponsorship bug is booooring) [23:51] are they packaged yet? [23:52] packaged? hah, it's in the branch [23:54] meh, i don't really know enough about that tbh [23:55] also had to ask someone else to take care of xubuntu-artwork [23:55] which is in a similar position (i can push to the branch and update the changelog)