[00:15] <Donald_ET3> Are there any differences between Ubuntu and Fedora besides the desktop and package manager?
[00:16] <roney> the first to come to my mind is font rendering
[00:16] <roney> you may need to perform some extra work to have better anti aliasing on Fedora
[00:16] <Donald_ET3> Picking a distro is so difficult.
[00:17] <roney> It depends a lot on your style of use. But I decided to use Kubuntu for it spare me from lots of annoying extra work.
[00:18] <Donald_ET3> Was it just the first GNU/Linux system you tried and had no reason to switch?
[00:21] <roney> Nope. I tried ArchLinux, Fedora (for a few days only), OpenSUSE, Mandriva, Ubuntu etc.
[00:22] <Donald_ET3> Okay.
[00:23] <roney> At first I liked to tweak the system. But with time I got tired of it and began to appreciate systems wich would let me do my work without interference.
[01:11] <bernz0> I have a question about connecting to a CardDav for Kontact
[02:11] <Radagast> Hi!
[02:11] <Radagast> Hola!
[02:12] <roney> Hi!
[04:39] <unfiltered> Using rhythmbox and daap share is it not sharing between local users?
[04:41] <alphacrypt> hey Ive got a virtual desktop pager and by moving the cursor to the upper right I still get all open windows shown can I reduce them specific to active desktop?
[04:41] <alphacrypt> left sorry
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:29] <alphacrypt> hey lordievader
[06:30] <lordievader> Hey alphacrypt, how are you?
[06:30] <bbbba> hey do you contain drm?
[06:30] <alphacrypt> its ok thanks and you
[06:30] <lordievader> Doing good, doing good :)
[06:31] <bbbba> im going to quit using computers if someone doesnt tell me
[06:31] <bbbba> and focus my attention elsewhere
[06:31] <lordievader> bbbba: I'm not sure what you are tyring to ask.
[06:31] <bbbba> do you scan?
[06:32] <bbbba> my videocard, or any big pixelled stuff i watch/
[06:32] <bbbba> how do i tear a palliduim chip out of my computer?
[06:33] <bbbba> ok question about windows, why cant i open a folder and it load the files listed in less, than 1 minute if it contains 3000 files or something, compared, w7 to xp?
[06:34] <lordievader> bbbba: That question is more suited to #windows (or was it ##windows?).
[06:34] <bbbba> bill gates is in there
[06:34] <bbbba> hes going to try to vaccinate me or shoot me or something one
[06:35] <bbbba> but about yoru os, does it contain drm?
[06:35] <bbbba> contain as in pertain to it?
[06:35] <bbbba> does it pertain to it?
[06:36] <bbbba> suit it?
[06:36] <bbbba> contain code for it
[06:39] <bbbba> hey guys i got my answer over there <Stryyker> no idea
[06:39] <bbbba> thanks a lot
[06:39] <bbbba> no help
[07:04] <bbbba> hey guys check it out now
[07:04] <bbbba> Ether_Man> Stryyker, dont think this has gone on long enough yet or? :)
[07:05] <bbbba> still asking and repeating hte same question to these guys
 bbbba: please read the channel guidelines. We're all volunteers here - we don't work for Microsoft.
 http://www.freenode-windows.org/channel-guidelines   < more fun
 then explain the zip file,
 a bug?
 ive reinstalled, 3 times
 with different kinds
 a differnt dvd
 nobody here is being paid to help you, you can drop the attitude please
[07:25] <klew> maybe a bit of a stupid question, but why does kubuntu updater whish to update my kernel from 3.14 to 3.11? :/
[07:29] <bbbba> simple known problem and a usual how its a piece of shit in windows channel elad to morons talking for 20 minutes about nothing
[07:33] <bbbba> more funness <bbbba> explain when it happens on xp
 its not an xp issue
 it doesnt happen
 and u guys already threatened to .. end all this
 ?
 cricket
 i get it
 You don't make much sense.
[07:33] <lordievader> klew: To my knowledge 3.14 hasn't been released yet. Are you sure you had 3.14?
[07:34] <klew> lordievader: quite sure, since I installed it myself from nightlies :)
[07:34] <klew> klew@klewtop:~$ uname -r
[07:34] <klew> 3.14.0-031400rc4-generic
[07:35] <lordievader> klew: Ah, as I see. Perhaps the nighlies repo has a lower priority. Not sure if that will downgrade a kernel though.
[07:36] <bbbba> can any one explain to me why w7 windows is such a piece oF SHITT
[07:37] <bbbba> cause look at that shit they dont know
[07:44] <bbbba> holy crap figured it out they had groupss...
[07:44] <bbbba> they helped me
[08:00] <Alarm> good morning. i have just installed kde-plasma-desktop on my ubuntu box . during the installation an option appeared to select KDM or something else. my question is if i can run the apt-get install command to include also this selection of the installation
[08:00] <Alarm> i am trying to create a script that installs and starts kde without user interaction. so i would like to know if it is possible to put this selection also in the installation command
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:30] <Alarm> hello. i am creating a virtual machine and want the kde installation (on ubuntu) to be automatic. which means, i do install the packages, but there is a point where the system waits for user input , to choose kdm
[12:30] <Alarm> is there a way to do the apt-get install command with some sort of parameters to select also KDM without awaiting user interaction ?
[12:33] <lordievader> Alarm: Why not simply do a Kubuntu install?
[12:36] <Alarm> cause its a vagrant box. and it comes plain without any desktop manager
[12:36] <Alarm> so i need to do an automated installation of kde on a ubuntu 13.10 system
[12:37] <Alarm> the packages are being downloaded and installed. the problem is on the step with the KDM selection which i can't manage to make it automate it or ignore this step and configure it with a shell command
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Alarm, why KDM , lightdm is default for ubuntu and kubuntu
[12:38] <BluesKaj> use the existing DM
[12:41] <Alarm> BluesKaj:  if i install the package kde-plasma-desktop
[12:41] <Alarm> then i get the dialog in console to choose KDM
[12:41] <Alarm> is there any other package installation that i can avoid this step ?
[12:42] <lordievader> Alarm: Install the kubuntu-desktop package.
[12:45] <Alarm> lordievader: ok i can give this a try to see if a i am been asked for kdm again
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Alarm, yes follow lordievader's advice, kubuntu-desktop is all you need
[12:47] <Alarm> alright. thank you will give it a try
[12:48] <lordievader> Alarm: That should pull in lightdm, not kdm.
[12:55] <ikonia> I was about to ask if kdm was still being used
[12:56] <lordievader> That was what my Gentoo box installed, when I installed KDE.
[12:56] <jussi> kdm still exists, but we use light dm as default, like BluesKaj mentioned
[12:56] <ikonia> I thought kubuntu had also moved to lightdm by default too
[12:57] <BluesKaj> ikonia, it has
[12:57] <ikonia> ok good, thought I'd got it wrong
[13:18] <excognac> hi all, how ddo i create a .html file in the easiest manner
[13:54] <Alarm> lordievader , BluesKaj  not good news. with the sudo apt-get -y  install kubuntu-desktop command
[13:54] <Alarm> i got many messages like: dpkg: error processing python-kde4 (--configure):
[13:54] <Alarm> and finally: Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[13:55] <Alarm> furthermore , this is a development environment . so i do not need koffice, ktorrent and all those things kubuntu-desktop offers , thats why i wanted to go lightweight with the installation
[14:15] <excognac> guys wich is the easiest to use html editer for kubuntu?
[14:15] <excognac> and the most stable one as blufish crashed like windows
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Alarm, don't use the -y with installing desktops and metas, not good practice
[14:20] <Alarm> BluesKaj: as i said , i need to do the installation automaticaly , without any user interaction
[14:20] <Alarm> so -y is something i must use so that the automated tool will continue with the installation
[14:23] <BluesKaj> i think the -y in the command permits unneeded packages to be installed that can conflict with defaults, but feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, Alarm
[14:24] <BluesKaj> like saying yes to all
[14:24] <Alarm> BluesKaj:  i really don't know. thats why i am here :)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Alarm, then try the command without the -y
[14:31] <BluesKaj> anyway, errands to run ...BBL
[14:37] <DaveInFL> Can someone help me with the KDE Parition Manager?  I've just connected another hard drive and I can set the disc label but not the mount point and thus, cannot mount any of the partitions :(
[15:08] <BluesKaj> DaveInFL, unmount the partitions first
[15:10] <BluesKaj> then check if they show up in dolphin/devices
[15:10] <DaveInFL> BluesKaj...it's not mounted currently
[15:11] <BluesKaj> have you rebooted since connecting the HDD?
[15:12] <DaveInFL> Yes...the machine was off when I connected it.  I'm certainly not going to connect a HDD when the machine is running :)
[15:12] <DaveInFL> When I right click on the partition the mount item is greyed out
[15:12] <BluesKaj> no that's not what i meant, run a b
[15:13] <DaveInFL> Run what?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> a sudo blkid , then set them up in /etc/fstab
[15:14] <DaveInFL> So, I have to manually add these new mount points to /etc/fstab? Under Magiea I never had to do that :(
[15:17] <BluesKaj> like so , http://pastebin.com/SbPwHScd
[15:19] <BluesKaj> is there an OS on this hdd or is it just for data?
[15:21] <DaveInFL> There is no OS on the HDD, just three partitions all ext4.
[15:22] <DaveInFL> I am just confused as to why I cannot mount them! Perhaps with Kubuntu it's more manual process and they have to be in /etc/fstab before they can be mounted.  Under Magiea it would do that work for you via the GUI partition tool.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> why 3 partitions
[15:24] <BluesKaj> hmm wait a sec, let me check something, I also have 2 external drives, one for data and another with W7 , but they nolonger show up either , but they're listed in dolphin under devices
[15:24] <BluesKaj> and accessible
[15:26] <DaveInFL> Why three partitions? It's a HDD that I had used under Mageia and didn't have it connected when I installed Kubuntu..wanted to be extra safe that it didn't get formatted/wiped when I did the install :) Just being extra cautious.  So, the three partitions existed from another Linux distro and all have data on.
[15:27] <DaveInFL> I also see them under Dolphin and I can see the files!
[15:30] <DaveInFL> Seems that the three partitions are mounted under the media directory...this is kind of frustrating to be honest.  Can't seem to change the mount point!
[15:32] <DaveInFL> Not sure if that is something that Dolphin did!  But under KDE partition I cannot change the mount point.  Do I need to run KDE partition as root? If so what's the command for that?
[15:35] <Alarm> BluesKaj: if i remove the -y then it wont be installed automaticaly. i use Vagrand to run a box and do the entire installation automaticaly
[15:35] <Alarm> which means there should not be any user input. so if the installation of kubuntu asks "(y) for yes to install all the packages"
[15:35] <Alarm> there wont be anyone there to hit the button
[15:46] <BluesKaj> DaveInFL, dolphin should show the devices in the left hand pane like so, http://imagebin.org/300561 , you may have to use ctrl - to reduce the size of the image since it's taken from my desktop which is connected to a big screen tv
[15:51] <BluesKaj> DaveInFL, highlight the partition in dolphin then in file properties set the advanced permissions to read/write rw
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Alarm, make sure you have all updates and upgrades up to date on your OS before installing kubuntu-desktop, sry I should have mentioned that earlier
[16:09] <Alarm> once i install the kubuntu packages
[16:09] <Alarm> is there a way to start the window manager and log in to kde without rebooting ?
[16:09] <Alarm> ok i installed KDE on ubuntu .
[16:10] <Alarm> normaly there should be something like 'startx' , or /etc/init.d/kdm start
[16:10] <Alarm> none of them work though
[16:10] <Alarm> my mistake , startx worked
[16:11] <Alarm> had to use sudo :/
[16:11] <Alarm> but what if i want to startx as a simple user
[16:11] <Alarm> i cant  ?
[16:12] <DarthFrog> Alarm:  The system didn't boot to a graphical login screen?
[16:12] <Alarm> DarthFrog: after installing kde on kubuntu , i do not want to restart the machine
[16:12] <DarthFrog> Alarm:  Try  "sudo service lightdm start".
[16:13] <Alarm> i want directly to start the KDE
[16:13] <Alarm> but what if i want to start it as a simple user ? not as a root ?
[16:13] <DarthFrog> Then startx should work.
[16:13] <Alarm> i want to login on KDE as a simple user as i would if i would restart my system and put my credentials in the login screen
[16:13] <DarthFrog> That's what lightdm does.
[16:14] <DarthFrog> Try it.
[16:14] <Alarm> ok, have to rerun the entire installation process of install and let you know in a few minutes
[16:14] <DarthFrog> ????
[16:15] <Alarm> DarthFrog: i am using vagrant. automated configuration. so i have to go through the process from the start
[16:16] <DarthFrog> Never heard of it.
[16:17] <Alarm> great tool
[16:19] <Alarm> DarthFrog:
[16:19] <Alarm> so first sudo service lightdm start
[16:19] <Alarm> and then as a simple user startx
[16:19] <Alarm> ?
[16:51] <maxiaojun> KDevelop's "New Project" doesn't work after using backport ppa on 13.10
[16:52] <maxiaojun> No "New from Template" in Project menu
[17:48] <kyfella> Hey ya'll.  I had to backup a bunch of data and compressed it into a filename.tar.xz.  Rebuilt my Linux box to 13.10.  I am having some problems getting the tar.xz extracted.  Ark can't handle it because its too big.  I am trying unxz and get unxz: 20140318-backup1.tar.xz: File format not recognized.
[17:48] <kyfella>  
[17:49] <kyfella> Can anyone throw me a bone in how to get this data out of that xz file.  I figured out how to compress it, but darned if I can get it uncompressed lol
[17:49] <lordievader> kyfella: What command did you use to make it? Also what does 'file <filename>.tar.xz' say about it?
[17:50] <kyfella> what do you mean lordie?  Sorry, from where I was having problems yesterday with the double/triple clicking issue, I backed it all up and scrapped the OS, rebuilt 13.04, then upgraded distro to 13.10
[17:51] <BluesKaj> kyfella, use unp, it uncompresses most compressed file afaik
[17:51] <wxl> or unar kyfella
[17:51] <lordievader> kyfella: You compressed it with something, with what command did you compress?
[17:51] <kyfella> i am looking to see, 1 sec
[17:51] <wxl> kyfella: look in your bash history
[17:52] <kyfella> can't, OS was scrapped
[17:52] <kyfella> I rebuilt it after the compression
[17:52] <wxl> aw, boo
[17:53] <kyfella> tar cfJ <archive.tar.xz> <files>  thinking it was this way lordie
[17:57] <kyfella> let me look at unp Blue
[17:59] <kyfella> Failed to detect file type of 20140318-backup1.tar.xz.
[17:59] <kyfella> thats for unp
[18:01] <kyfella> trying unar
[18:01] <kyfella> do you mean unrar or unar
[18:02] <wxl> kyfella: unar
[18:02] <wxl> !search unar
[18:02] <wxl> gr
[18:02] <BluesKaj> kyfella, try tar -xJf file.pkg.tar.xz
[18:02] <wxl> !info unar
[18:02] <wxl> there that one
[18:03] <kyfella> lol, ok.  Let me try thatone
[18:03] <kyfella> 1 sec
[18:04] <kyfella> any idea what command switches I need to use, if any
[18:04] <kyfella> im looking at man unar
[18:04] <wxl> kyfella: shouldn't need any
[18:04] <kyfella> ok, let me take a whack at that
[18:06] <kyfella> hot diggy dog...  I think that worked.  It looks like it anyhow
[18:06] <lordievader> kyfella: BluesKaj's tar -xJf should work.
[18:07] <kyfella> I tried that one lordie.  it gave me probs
[18:07] <lordievader> What errors?
[18:07] <kyfella> tar -Jxf 20140318-backup2.tar.xz
[18:07] <kyfella> xz: (stdin): File format not recognized
[18:07] <kyfella> tar: Child returned status 1
[18:07] <kyfella> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[18:08] <kyfella> sorry
[18:08] <kyfella> didn't mean to spam that screen
[18:09] <lordievader> kyfella: Than you didn't make it with the -J flag, -j perhaps? Anyhow I'm still waiting for the output of 'file <filename>'.
[18:09] <BluesKaj> guess you won't use tar xz anymore
[18:09] <kyfella> well, actually I like it.  it gives you the maximum of compression
[18:10] <kyfella> I figured it out a long time ago, but hadn't used it in a long long time
[18:11] <BluesKaj> kyfella, why compress so hard if it's so difficult to extract? no need for that kind of compression any more
[18:11] <kyfella> Limitation on drive space
[18:11] <kyfella> only reason
[18:12] <BluesKaj> really now ...
[18:12] <kyfella> Lordie, even after teh rebuild of my 13.10 Kubuntu  I am still having the double triple clicking problem.  Does anyone know of a bug surronding optical mice in 13.10?
[18:12] <lordievader> kyfella: Could you please give me the output of the file command?
[18:13] <kyfella> the output of which file command?  This one? tar -Jxf 20140318-backup2.tar.xz
[18:13] <lordievader> kyfella: file <filename>
[18:14] <kyfella> $ file 20140318-backup1.tar = 20140318-backup1.tar: directory
[18:14] <kyfella> wait
[18:15] <kyfella> $ file 20140318-backup1.tar.xz = 20140318-backup1.tar.xz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Tue Mar 18 23:34:01 2014
[18:16] <lordievader> kyfella: Right so you didn't use the -J flag: tar -zxv <file>
[18:16] <lordievader> kyfella: Right so you didn't use the -J flag: tar -zxvf <file>
[18:16] <kyfella> I tried that too, same result
[18:16] <kyfella> right now the unar is uncompressign the xz to tar
[18:17] <lordievader> Hmm perhaps renaming it to .tar.gz first helps.
[18:17] <wxl> kyfella: so unar it again
[18:23] <kyfella> hmm
[18:24] <kyfella> it unar it to a directory named 20140318-backup1.tar but there is nothing in it
[18:24] <kyfella> Extraction to directory "20140318-backup1.tar" failed (9 files failed.)
[18:32] <kyfella> does the unar extract files directly into your home drive path?
[18:33] <lordievader> kyfella: I suppose is pwd, but do read the man page.
[18:34] <kyfella> -o specifys output directory, default is pwd.  But I didn't specify the output directory and it seems it ended up in /home/mustang
[18:45] <kyfella> ok hmm, well lol.  I think I am going to try another one of my xz archives and see what happens there lol
[18:52] <kyfella> unar is a little bit buggy
[18:53] <kyfella> i specified my output directory as my home directory and it puts it in media
[18:53] <kyfella> lol
[19:01] <kyfella> whoops, I specified /media as output. I coulda sworn I typed /home
[19:03] <melkor> is the baloo file extractor nescessary?
[19:05] <melkor> Something is killing my system after the most recent update (14.04) the only thing that really stands out is the baloo_file_extractor is running.
[19:08] <ktonio> ?
[19:09] <melkor> It would just pause for about 2 or 3 seconds, and I couldn't input anything.
[19:15] <melkor> Well the extractor stopped and no I can use everything ok. Could be a coincidence.
[20:13] <rednaks> Hello, I'm looking for muon code source can any one help me ?
[20:14] <rednaks> Is there any official public git repository ?
[20:22] <lordievader> rednaks: apt-get source muon?
[20:23] <rednaks> lordievader, I'm not under *ubuntu :/ I'm on debian actually
[20:24] <rednaks> and muon is not available for debian
[20:35] <StarfighterPilot> rednaks: only sources here: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Muon+Package+Management+Suite?content=137507
[20:40] <lordievader> rednaks: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/muon
[20:41] <BluesKaj> rednaks, a kubuntu repos package may not work with debian and vice-versa
[20:42] <BluesKaj> !debian
[20:42] <lordievader> BluesKaj: He's just asking for the Muon source not the entire repo ;)
[20:43] <BluesKaj> what;s wrong witht debian package manager?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> whatever they use now
[20:44] <lordievader> Muon is developed by the Kubuntu team, and not in the Debian repo.
[20:45] <BluesKaj> uhm yes lordievader and ??
[20:47] <rednaks> emm the launchpad sources seems  different from the sources at kde-apps.org ...
[20:47] <lordievader> Why add a repo if all you need is one source package?
[20:47] <rednaks> actually I'll try to build it for debian
[20:48] <lordievader> Even more so when adding that repo might break everything.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> right, git source might work
[20:50] <rednaks> BleuzMan, any link to the git repo ? :)
[20:50] <rednaks> I perefer to keep the log history
[20:51] <rednaks> (but kde-apps.org is fine)
[20:52] <BluesKaj> rednaks, well if you found one that looks build-able then go ahead