[00:00] <LittleMac> Hello, anyone here?
[00:00] <ianorlin> anyway I can help
[00:00] <LittleMac> Possibly, I've decided to try and install Lubuntu on an old laptop, HP dv1040us.
[00:01] <LittleMac> Its running a pentium M and 512mb RAM
[00:01] <LittleMac> I'm trying to figure out what the latest version of Lubuntu I could run
[00:05] <ianorlin> ah pentium M may have some trouble with the processor not saying it has pae when it does but see this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE#Lubuntu_13.10_Fake-PAE_described_by_sudodus
[00:08] <LittleMac> So if I'm reading this correctly, I wont need to fake-PAE because I have a Pentium M 1.6Ghz, and thats a newer model?
[00:11] <phillw> LittleMac: with 14.04 most of the 'M' series will not need fake pae.
[00:13] <phillw> this is a battle we have won. They (the Gods) have put in the check to allow these computers to install the 32 bit version with no issues. This has freed up a tiny bit of resources to work on the system for the machines that are totally non-pae :)
[00:14] <LittleMac> so should I just try 14.04 beta?
[00:16] <phillw> LittleMac: the changes will all be in the 32 bit lubuntu daily. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds grab which ever you prefer.. desktop or alternate. Just make sure you grab the 686 version :D
[00:17] <phillw> LittleMac: it shows as i386
[05:19] <danux> guys i have a weird issue , when i turned on my pc today , i have the /home/user folder as my desktop , and desktop folder under /home/user is missing ,  i have a folder called "Desktop" under places ,   i want to get the original LXDE window setup ,  how do get that done ?
[05:22] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PCManFM
[05:22] <ianorlin> see the part under fixes
[06:01] <duoi> hi
[06:02] <duoi> how can i get a copy of lubuntu that will forever be live? that is, i dont want to see language selection or boot menus on grub or anything.
[06:02] <duoi> and when i boot i just want to go straight to the desktop.
[08:15] <FuuqUmiist> anyone ever have any issues when upgrading to a newer version?
[10:41] <Guest72127> Bonjour :)
[12:43] <sydney_> What will be new in lubuntu trusty?
[12:51] <leszek> sydney_: definitely a new kernel. A modified theme + wallpaper and upgraded applications :)
[12:51] <leszek> and lts of course so 3 years support
[21:05] <FuuqUmiist> since the 13.10 release is basically the only version available and support for it ends in just a few months, please tell me that upgrading 13.10 to 14.04 won't cause any issues
[21:05] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: lol.. you should no no one can tell you taht
[21:05] <holstein> that*
[21:06] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: nothing specifically about lubuntu or ubuntu will be making any known issues for you.. but, your hardware can have specific issues that are challenging to address
[21:06] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: what i suggest is try the 14.04 version live on your hardware.. backup you data, and plan for failure. since your hard drive will fail, and that is not a waste of time.. then, you will be ready to upgrade or try a fresh instal of 14.04
[21:07] <FuuqUmiist> but i need to install a distro for people on different computers now
[21:07] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: nothing here is preventing you from addressing your needs
[21:08] <FuuqUmiist> but 14.04 is releasing next month, and 13.10 only has a few months support
[21:08] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: ok
[21:08] <FuuqUmiist> i might be out of town so they will be using an unsecure 13.10
[21:08] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: so, you can give them 14.04 and come back in a few weeks and upgrade.. give them 13.10, and come back and reinstall or upgrade them
[21:09] <FuuqUmiist> i'm going to try to upgrade over remote desktop to 14.04
[21:24] <speckmade> "A handler is already registered for /com/ubuntu/Upstart"
[21:25] <melodie> hi
[21:25] <speckmade> that's what my computer is desperately trying to say to me through .xsession-errors
[21:29] <speckmade> about 8,000,000 times
[21:30] <holstein> speckmade: just let us know if you have a question
[21:30] <speckmade> yeah - I don't understand that language yet... :-)
[21:30] <speckmade> What's it trying to say to me?
[21:30] <speckmade> hd is full now... :-)
[21:31] <speckmade> init was veery busy.
[21:31] <speckmade> If anyone can give me clues to what's happening, that would help. :-)
[21:34] <holstein> speckmade: so, what im reading is, you are looking in a log file, and its filled, as in, it filled the hard drive with error messages?
[21:35] <speckmade> yeah
[21:35] <speckmade> and in the process of filling the harddrive my computer was quite busy
[21:35] <holstein> are you up to date with upgrades? running a version of lubuntu?
[21:35] <speckmade> init grabbed all CPU it can get
[21:36] <holstein> have you tried purging x session configs? or running as a different user?
[21:36] <speckmade> latest lubuntu here, automatic security updates
[21:36] <holstein> speckmade: check now, for upgrades
[21:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get update $$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:36] <holstein> sorry
[21:36] <Unit193> &&
[21:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:36] <holstein> new keyboard :)
[21:37] <speckmade> hard to do atm... :-/
[21:38] <holstein> speckmade: sure.. just let us konw when you have a quesiton, or are ready to troubleshoot
[21:38] <speckmade> thanks.
[21:40] <speckmade> just understanding what I could be looking at would be something...
[21:40] <holstein> erros with your xsession, as i read it
[21:41] <holstein> i would remove it from the equation by temporarily removeing the session configs, or testing with another user account.. after checking for and applying upgrades
[21:41] <speckmade> :-)
[21:42] <speckmade> upgrades available: liblightdm-gobject-1-0, lightdm, tzdata
[22:20] <one> There is a dialoug box that say system program detected a problem do you want to report the problem now and then two buttons, cancel, and report.
[22:21] <one> What tools may one use to assosiate this window with a runnning process?
[22:24] <one> It looks like one of those trojans.
[22:24] <Unit193> It's apport.
[22:24] <one> It looks like one of those fake error message trojans.
[22:27] <one> Using system monitor to look at the processes apport is not listed.
[22:28] <holstein> im not aware of any of those fake error message trojans for lubuntu/linux.. there is apport
[22:28] <holstein> you should be able to search around, and get a screenshot of it.. or take one of what you are looking at , one , and a volunteer can share if they think it is apport or a trojan
[22:30] <one> It is not apport
[22:30] <Unit193> holstein: Even easier than that, google a couple of the words and you get all over with stuff like http://askubuntu.com/questions/43103/system-always-start-with-system-program-problem-detected-dialog
[22:32] <holstein> one: ok.. let us konw if you have a question about what it is..
[22:35] <one> What is it?
[22:35] <one> apport doesn't show in the process list
[22:36] <wxl> one: it's probably a trojan gratefully provided to you by canonical. enjoy!
[22:36] <wxl> !apport | one
[22:37] <wxl> one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[22:39] <one> Someone put it there.
[22:40] <one> Canonical is just a calculator box isn't it?
[22:40] <Unit193> one: ps xfU $USER  pastebin that and show us.
[22:40] <wxl> totally
[22:40]  * wxl puts his tin foil hat and mumbles to himself
[22:40] <Unit193> +on
[22:42]  * wxl shrugs
[22:43] <one> I am going to narrow down the process list first
[23:08] <one> well whatever it is it is not obvious
[23:08] <one> What help does sending the process list do?
[23:08] <one> Say it names itself gnome-calander-factory
[23:09] <holstein> one: i believe a volunteer was offering to look over your process list to help you find something that might be out of place, or malware
[23:09] <holstein> Unit193 has asked for it in a pastebin for that reason, i assume
[23:10] <holstein> the "good" would be having someone else look at it
[23:10] <one> gnome-calander-factory
[23:10] <wxl> so that's what it's called?
[23:10] <wxl> because that's your problem right there: why do you have gnome running?
[23:10] <one> not sure
[23:10] <wxl> then maybe you should try to offer the pastebin
[23:10] <one> the window pops up later
[23:10] <one> and the comparision has 4 more processes
[23:11] <one> there needs to be an ap that spys the api
[23:11] <one> like the asterisk revealer
[23:11] <holstein> what windows pops up later after what?
[23:11] <wxl> just watch your processes
[23:11] <one> it can pinpoint the process that the window is coming from
[23:11] <holstein> you would insatll that app *before* you are compromised, otherwise, you cant trust anything the system reports like that
[23:11] <wxl> it will be obvious
[23:12] <one> there needs to be something to reveal the process that generated the window by using mouover
[23:12] <one> mouseover
[23:12] <holstein> i use ps aux
[23:13] <holstein> any malware could likely sense, and compromise such software..
[23:13] <one> well it is a lot of work without the proper tools
[23:13] <one> without the proper tools it cannot be found
[23:13] <holstein> what are you missing?
[23:13] <holstein> your pre-infection image?
[23:14] <one> something to point to the process with a mouseover
[23:14] <holstein> the proper tool can be a filemanager. or soemthing to diff what you had before the compromise
[23:14] <one> I have the ubuntu cd
[23:14] <holstein> one: that can be compromised, as well.. i use ps aux to identify processes.. is that not working for you?
[23:14] <holstein> one: the lubuntu iso burned on cd??
[23:14] <one> it doesnt matter
[23:15] <one> your not listening
[23:15] <one> LISTEN
[23:15] <one> there needs to be something to reveal the process that generated the window by using mouseover
[23:15] <one> ps aux doesnt do that
[23:15] <one> youns need to learn how to LISTEN
[23:15] <holstein> one: i underestand what you are asking gor.. and *that* *sepcific* tool could be compromised as well
[23:16] <wxl> one: xwininfo -all | grep Process and click on the window
[23:17] <one> wxl: very well!
[23:17] <one> update-notifier
[23:18] <wxl> well there you go
[23:18] <holstein> nothing i have read makes me think you have any malware going on.. have you been running as root?
[23:18] <wxl> no trojan after all
[23:18] <wxl> !search update-notifier
[23:18] <wxl> !info update-notifier
[23:46] <phillw> wxl: we had this FUD when ureadahead was launched...
[23:47] <wxl> phillw: well, at least it's not like your usual windows user. ;)