=== OutOfControl is now known as benonsoftware === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [06:17] Good morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:00] good morning desktopers [09:02] seb128: good morning, you have silos for all your desktop landings [09:02] Mirv, hey, you are the best, thanks [09:02] Mirv, I promise I'm going to drive them through and free back the silos ;-) [09:03] great :) [09:07] morning! [09:08] Laney, hey, how are you? [09:09] seb128: thanks for pinging other people ;-) [09:09] hello :) [09:09] Laney, yw! [09:09] I'm good, although we got back late yesterday from playing games so a bit tired [09:09] "40-60 minutes" LIES [09:09] haha [09:09] that's the time if you play [09:09] not if you do a round in between 2 beers :p [09:09] haha, there were no beers :P [09:10] maybe if you don't think about your tactics at all or something [09:10] Subject: [Build #5828630] armhf build of webkitgtk 2.3.92-1ubuntu1~ppa2 in ubuntu trusty RELEASE (canonical-arm-dev PPA) [09:10] bah [09:11] :-( [09:12] that list discussion made me want to see what "diplomacy" is [09:12] mterry said to play if you don't mind losing some friends :p [09:13] not played that one [09:14] http://www.shutupandsitdown.com/blog/post/review-libertalia/ it was this [09:16] cool [09:16] Laney, darkxst: so, thinking about that gnome-desktop ffe ... what needs the new version? g-c-c/g-s-d/gnome-shell? [09:17] could we just package the new one as a different source in the archive (I guess it changed soname since it had abi changes) and just make those 3 use the new lib? [09:18] I don't think we have any of those 3 that would end up with the 2 versions in process, but we should check to make sure [09:18] so other desktop would end up only having the current one [09:18] GNOME would have both versions installed but that should be minimal issues [09:22] Not sure, would need darkxst to clarify [09:22] if anything could end up loading both in the same process you'd have problems I guess [09:27] Laney, libgnome-desktop-3-7 rdepends don't include any lib [09:27] so we should be safe [09:28] well anyway, it's just a suggestion as a possible solution for the GNOME remix [09:28] I thought I saw mutter and/or libevo there [09:28] libevo is not a real lib [09:28] it's a collection of .so for evolution [09:29] it has no rdepends out of evo [09:29] mutter = gnome-shell [09:29] that would load only the new one [09:29] if you say so :-) [09:30] well, there might be an issue, but if they really need the update to me it looks it could work and is work trying/investigating [09:30] is worth* [09:31] is there like an icon factory to query an icon from current/default gnome theme? [09:32] glade to the rescue! [09:38] xnox, http://iloveubuntu.net/icon-library-10-released-support-ubuntu-1304-and-ubuntu-1310 [09:39] xnox, you can just get https://launchpad.net/icon-library/trunk/lucid-release/+download/iconlibrary02052010.tar.gz untar and run from srcdir === thumper-afk is now known as thumper [09:57] seb128: thanks! that helped a lot. [09:57] seb128: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/170111173/wrong-icons.png === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [10:43] xnox, still having that icon theme issue? [10:45] seb128: yes. [10:45] xnox, can you edit /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UpdateManager/UpdatesAvailable.py [10:45] xnox, l235 [10:45] xnox, change it to self.app_icons = Gtk.IconTheme.get_default() [10:45] e.g add the get_default() [10:45] then try again to see if that fixes it? [10:47] fwiw, i can confirm this icon-issue in xubuntu [10:47] it appeared a few weeks ago [10:47] ochosi, ^ [10:47] ochosi: it's been like that forever. [10:47] can you try that change? [10:47] sure, one sec [10:49] seb128: yeap, i get everything wonderful now ! \o/ [10:49] yup, that works [10:49] xnox, ochosi, great, let me mp that, thanks for testing [10:49] seb128: =))))))))))) trusty is going to be so smooth ;-) [10:49] ;-) [10:50] why am I fixing mvo's bugs btw? he's back soon, he should do that ;-) [10:50] no problem and thanks a lot for that fix seb128! [10:50] hehe [10:52] seb128: don't you try punting - gtk, theming, issues, on others =))))))) it's not like it's never gtk's fault ;-) [10:52] hehe [10:56] xnox, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/update-manager/correct-icon-theme/+merge/211904 [11:06] xnox, ok, fix merged, I'm not doing an upload for it, but feel free to do it if there is nothing else pending for update-manager/you think it's worth an upload by itself [11:08] oh right, cause i'm supposedly update-manager maintainer, ain't I. [11:09] * xnox can't wait for mvo to come back =) [11:10] ;-) [11:23] Hi seb128 [11:24] GunnarHj, hey [11:24] seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gunnarhj/whats-new.html updated. [11:24] New wording in item 5.1 - it previously said "literally hundreds of different online sources", but we felt last night that it might not be correct. [11:24] Do you know the approximate true number? [11:24] GunnarHj, check with mhr3 [11:24] he's working on dash/scopes [11:24] seb128: Ok, thanks. [11:26] GunnarHj, seb128, it's more around 70 (if we count the various video sources that merged under the label "online videos") [11:27] davidcalle: So "dozens" is more correct than "literally hundreds" then? [11:27] GunnarHj, I would say so :) [11:28] davidcalle: Ok, I think that's what I needed. Thanks! [11:28] GunnarHj, np [11:31] davidcalle, hey [11:31] davidcalle, do you maintain the manpage scope? ;-) [11:31] seb128, yeaaaah... That's a trap, right? :) [11:33] seb128, oh, it's broken! [11:34] davidcalle, not sure it's broken, but apport triggers every time you type "disk" in the dash [11:34] which is quite annoying [11:34] mhr3 said it's the manpages scope [11:34] bug #1274669 [11:34] Launchpad bug 1274669 in libunity (Ubuntu) "scope-runner-dbus.py crashed with signal 5 in g_variant_new_va()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274669 [11:34] seb128, that sounds like it. Thanks for the heads-up. [11:35] yw, would be great if that could be fixed before release ;-) [11:35] thanks for looking at it! [11:36] seb128, yep [11:38] great [11:43] webkit 3 - 0 Laney [11:44] ∞ [11:44] that PPA needs to stop telling tales on me [11:44] haha [11:47] Laney, btw still planning to review the u-s-s/click branch? [11:47] I'm doing it now [11:47] great, thanks [11:52] good morning [12:03] hey desrt, how are you? [12:04] starting my coffee intake :) [12:04] pitti: i wanted to ask about your jenkins jhbuilding the other day ... [12:04] i guess you stopped doing this? [12:04] desrt: yes; I replied to you, you didn't see it? [12:04] no... [12:05] desrt: yes, it hasn't been maintained for a fair while; it didn't raise that much interest, it seems largely superseded by gnome-continuous [12:05] pitti: it's also a 404 :) [12:06] desrt: and we (as in Ubuntun desktop) haven't spent much time on GNOME recently [12:06] i'm considering reviving it [12:06] perhaps in an altered form [12:20] gatox: should I be able to use your click mock service on the phone? [12:23] Laney, no idea, i don't have a phone to test it there, and the emulator doesn't work here [12:24] ok, doesn't work for me [12:24] Laney, it works on the desktop [12:25] yeah i wanted to check it on the phone [12:26] Laney, i don't think the python app can start a process with ui in the phone, right?? [12:27] Laney, are you starting the ui manually, or the python process is doing it? [12:27] the latter [12:27] you have to pass that weird flag --desktop_file_hint [12:27] but the updates panel comes up empty === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:28] Laney, well, something in the way apps are launched in the phone can be doing something there and probably not usinng the env vars that the python process define [12:35] gatox: ok, trying it on the desktop, can I get it to present an update? [12:36] I just get 'software is up to date' [12:37] Laney, running the mock service you should see 2 updates [12:38] hmm there's a critical on the console about signond [12:38] Laney, that is u1-creds [12:42] right [12:42] so i can't really test this [12:46] Laney, well... signon actually always shows some errors, but seems to work, maybe dobey can guide you on this [12:49] desrt, pitti: hey [12:49] ignore the signond critical afaik [12:50] but if you don't have a u1 account configured in online accounts, maybe it doesn't work? [12:51] you have to use the qml system-settings to add it though, not the gtk+ control center [12:51] I did [12:53] seb128: can you run gvim quickly for me and see if the menus look normal? [12:57] Laney, no they don't :p [12:57] they have underscores and utf-8 weird chars [12:58] must be your weird language setting :P [12:58] but the keybinding in menus are non standard [12:58] oh, wait, friday is tomorrow [12:58] e.g ^R === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:58] or :wq [12:58] I can imagine unity-gtk-module having issue with that [12:58] I wonder if we should blacklist or try to fix [12:59] that's one for attente in any case [12:59] ya, just checking if it was just me [12:59] (he in .nz atm so probably eod) [12:59] I get loads of glib criticals when running it from a terminal [12:59] hey seb128, ça va ? [13:00] pitti, oui, et toi ? [13:00] seb128: good as well, although my wrist is still troubling [13:02] pitti, oh, what did you do (I think I asked earlier in the week when you said it was not ok but I'm not sure you replied/if I read the reply) [13:02] seb128: nothing too bad (a "ganglion"), but it'll need a little operation [13:03] oh ok :/ [13:03] good luck with that [13:03] thanks [13:04] when are you getting it fixed? [13:04] do you know how long you are going to need to rest it/stop typing then? [13:04] seb128: I don't know yet, will know more next Monday [13:05] seb128: anyway, just sorting out travel for the client sprint, looking forward to Malta! [13:05] yeah, same here [13:05] I'm pondering taking some vac days to visit [13:05] seb128: I'll arrive on Friday already (paying the weekend nights for myself), so I can hang out with you guys and explore the island [13:06] oh [13:06] seb128: (I'll be there officially only for teh second week) [13:06] oh, same for me [13:06] second week [13:06] did you book hotel yet? [13:06] seb128: my parents had been there, they said it's a really nice island [13:06] seb128: no, booking flights first [13:06] I'm going to come on friday as well then, I was looking for people who want maybe to visit ;-) [13:06] seb128: I'll stay in the same hotel, much less trouble [13:06] I was thinking the same [13:07] seb128: I asked msm, we can just put that into a note in the spreadsheet, and the hotel will split the bill accordingly [13:07] great [13:07] want to share room for those extra days? [13:07] (if you don't have a roomie yet) [13:07] ah, I should have done that maybe [13:07] oh well [13:08] Laney, did you confirm flights yet? [13:08] yeah [13:08] seb128: sure; I was asking desrt as I thought you'd stay for two weeks [13:08] seb128: desrt wanted to get back to you as he already signed up with you [13:08] right [13:08] it's that big dating party again :) [13:08] there is some stories there [13:08] Laney: you might still be able to move them? [13:08] looks like mvo put my name [13:08] haha [13:08] but he didn't ask me [13:08] haha [13:09] I never bother to put anyone [13:09] I'm emailing him :p [13:09] Laney, you might end up with snorers! [13:09] true ... [13:10] seb128: well, so you+mvo, desrt+me perhaps? [13:10] desrt: ^ [13:10] pitti, yeah, I was asking about those friday-saturday nights though [13:10] there would be some fee to change it now [13:10] pitti, I don't think desrt is coming earlier to visit [13:10] i'll leave it [13:10] seb128: i may :) [13:10] if others will be there as well [13:10] desrt, oh, I though you had booked already [13:10] not yet [13:10] should do that today maybe [13:10] party! [13:10] desrt: warning, I usually get up at 7 for some running (but I'll try to be quiet) :) [13:11] haha [13:11] pitti: warning: if seb is to be believed, i usually sleep on the floor [13:11] larsu, didrocks: you guys are not coming early to take some vac/visit? :-) [13:11] desrt, experience prove that's true! [13:11] I should have taken photos [13:11] ;-) [13:11] mvo: warning: seb128 takes pictures of sleeping roommates [13:12] seb128: no, I will just enjoy my week-ends :p [13:12] . o O { OMG, I'm sooo glad that this is a private channel which isn't logged into the interwebs or anything } [13:13] (awkward silence) [13:13] I think we just found a new NP hard problem, the "sprint roommate assignment" [13:14] pitti: fortunately the problem distributes nicely [13:14] seb128: I probably am [13:15] or maybe staying late... don't know yet [13:15] * larsu is too lazy to read scrollback [13:16] larsu: you didn't miss much [13:16] looks like threre was a lot going on [13:16] I was fixing a bug in the meantime (hope you all feel bad now!) [13:17] larsu: did you sort the rhythmbox/gtk/atk/init thing? [13:17] I kind of came to the conclusion that it's not worth it [13:17] we should just fix mpros [13:17] *mrpis [13:18] larsu, seems like some of us are going to come early (I was pondering between both but pitti is coming early so that pretty much decided it for me ;-) [13:18] I'm honored :) [13:18] * desrt copies pitti too [13:18] early is better because there's another sprint before ours, right? [13:19] plus... by encouraging seb to be there early rather than late, and this being malta, we get to enjoy seb's red head all week [13:19] e.g coming on friday before [13:19] spending the w.e visiting [13:19] I will probably spend more than a weekend [13:19] a week or so [13:19] pitti: when are you going? [13:20] larsu: my plan is to arrive Friday, May 23 [13:21] (asked for flights, but no answer yet) [13:21] larsu: until Friday evening or Sat morning [13:21] and travel around a bit on the weekend? Or just hanging out? [13:21] sitting! [13:21] larsu: both, I guess [13:21] desrt: this is why I didn't ask you: I knew the answer ;) [13:21] the neighbor island is just a quick boat trip away, and said to be marvellous [13:21] ah cool [13:22] and Malta itself certainly as well [13:22] zomg [13:22] coming on friday is basically impossible for me unless i want to pay _lots_ [13:22] come a week before then ;) [13:22] I'm seriously considering that === Fudus is now known as Guest98172 [13:23] desrt, hahaha [13:23] if my knee allows me to hike again... [13:23] desrt: did you see chergert's autotools wrapper? [13:23] larsu, desrt: I might be up for coming a bit earlier than friday as well [13:24] not sure how much there is there [13:24] like wednesday might be good enough for me [13:24] 4-5 days, the island is small enough [13:26] larsu: no. i assume it is some sort of cargocult avoidance mechanism? [13:27] desrt: err ... I don't know [13:38] mterry, hey [13:38] seb128, hello! [13:39] seb128, brb [13:39] mterry, can you look at the pagination mr/the review on it? [13:39] haha [13:39] !!! [13:39] "hi, bye" [13:39] typical mterry! [13:39] seb128, :) What's up? [13:39] mterry, can you look at the pagination mr/the review on it? [13:40] seb128, yeah was about to comment [13:40] mterry, I've it in a silo, it looked fine to me, but Cimi seems to think you change change the condition for the enable/disable dots [13:40] mterry, great [13:40] seb128, maybe I was wrong, I didn't test it [13:40] seb128, it should look that the first dots are filled, the remaining empty [13:40] Cimi, see my comment on it? (or maybe wait for mterry to comment) [13:40] Cimi, yeah, that's what the current logic does [13:41] sorry I need to enable mails for those merges [13:41] Cimi, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/uss.png [13:41] Cimi, ignore the french and the fact that index is off by one [13:41] that's what it looks like [13:41] this is fine, but the dot seems wrong [13:41] (the index being wrong was a local issue when I took that screenshot) [13:42] oh? [13:42] seb128, can you test at 18 gu? [13:43] 18? they are currently at 1 [13:43] Cimi, mterry: well, anyway, the logic seems fine so I'm going to land that silo, we can fix dot look issues in a following merge if needed [13:44] loop index? [13:44] what kind of indexing we have :D [13:44] seb128, Laney Hi [13:44] hey [13:44] Cimi, 'index' is the index of the repeater object -- i.e. the loop for the delegate [13:45] I thought pagelist.index is the current page [13:45] so imagine current page is 3 [13:45] so I think gnome-shell directly access the new dbus api through mutter [13:45] so index 0, 1, 2, 3 of the repeater are <= pagelist.index [13:46] right [13:46] so its just g-c-c and g-s-d that require the gnome-desktop changes [13:46] so they are enabled [13:46] yes [13:46] so it's right ;-) [13:46] darkxst, seems a new source/binary used by those 2 is enough? [13:47] I guess in theory it could work [13:48] do you have any specific concerns about that approach? [13:49] seb128, no, I guess that is what happens on the ppa anyway and that seems to work [13:50] and its probably safer this late in the cycle [13:50] oh fuck [13:50] indeed index <= pagelist.index is like pagelist.index >= index [13:50] :D [13:50] think italian coffees are not strong enough [13:50] however in my defense I wrote that comment at midnight [13:50] I should not look into work stuff at those times :D [13:51] darkxst, right, I just don't see the ffe being accepted and that seems an acceptable solution that should work for everyone [13:51] Cimi, indeed ;-) [13:51] seb128, can you run at higher dpi? [13:52] seb128, yeh its getting way too late. [13:52] Cimi, you can do it, the debs are in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-018 [13:52] I'd want to see the split go away in U as soon as possible [13:53] +1 [13:53] we can probably take on the initial approach in U [13:53] seb128, can you explain me this thing of the CI train? [13:53] Cimi, people list things they want merged on https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFlCc1VzeVZzWmdBZS11WERjdVc3dmc#gid=0 [13:53] Cimi, they get a ppa with the result, they validate it [13:53] seb128, I don't know if there was a mail about that, even if it was thunderbird kindly erased me all my messages [13:53] then it get merged/uploaded [13:54] I read self service as title [13:54] and I thought about food [13:56] Laney, right, well no reason to maintain that split [13:56] yes [13:57] that said, upstream are open to moving the app stuff, like thumbnailers into gtk === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:58] at which point gnome-desktop could be forked, since it would only tie directly to g-s-d/g-c-c etc [14:06] but I really need to get to bed now... [14:08] darkxst, night [14:08] ChrisTownsend, hey [14:11] night [14:18] ChrisTownsend, do you know why compiz is not only setting a passive grab on the root window for the wheel-scroll-workspaces options? [14:19] ChrisTownsend, (still trying to get that scrolling issues resolved for the LTS) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:30] desrt, pitti: I got a reply from mvo, he would like to room with me if I've nobody ... do you guy room together then? [14:31] seb128: sounds good [14:31] cool [14:34] Laney, you could have picked the new pango bugfix, it has like 3 commits including a segfault fix ;-) [14:34] didn't see it [14:35] I can do that one in a bit, after lunch [14:35] Laney, settings meeting in 25 min btw :p [14:35] oh [14:35] shit! [14:35] lol [14:35] no lunch for you! [14:36] super late lunch [14:36] * Laney eats own arm [14:36] or quick snack between now and the meeting ;-) [14:36] just eat in front of us in the hangout :p [14:36] but if you do that don't eat your own arm please [14:39] need to go out and get the veg bag and bread [14:39] * Laney has interim tangerines [14:45] seb128: Hey, at this point it all boils down to a patch in X that got rejected. With the patch, everything works as expected. The issue even goes beyond the wheel-scroll-workspaces issue. It also affects scrolling unfocused Gtk apps. [14:46] ChrisTownsend, well, I was dicussing it with garnacho on #gtk+, he wrote [14:46] seb128, you=compiz users, the root of the problem is compiz (and other WMs) doing passive grabs on scroll buttons, so the app sees the pointer "leave" and "enter" anytime that's triggered [14:46] seb128, the combination of reparenting + scroll button grabs only seems to happen on compiz by default... and xfwm through config tweaking IIRC [14:46] seb128, then why doesn't compiz only set the passive grab on the root window :) [14:47] [14:47] ChrisTownsend, basically it's only an issue if you have a passive grab on the win, that shouldn't be the case on apps? [14:48] seb128: Hmm, I trust garnacho knows what he is talking about, but I think it's bigger than this. [14:48] ChrisTownsend, he wrote that as well [14:48] seb128, I did get to the unpleasant conclusion that the only thing we can do is calling XIQueryPointer() on XI_Enter (which is going to happen quite often for you), implementing that is still in my todo [14:48] seb128: Try scrolling an unfocused Gedit window. This used to work before the original fix. Is that really the fault of Compiz? [14:48] ChrisTownsend, that should fix it for us, but it would still nice to avoid doing calls where not needed [14:49] ChrisTownsend, there were other issues, I trust garnacho for knowing what he's doing/saying there [14:49] seb128: I can certainly look into how Compiz could set a passive grab on the root window. [14:50] ChrisTownsend, things used to work but there were other issues (like scroll events sent back to the wrong windows and creating buggy scrolling on focus) [14:50] ChrisTownsend, anyway, I'm just sharing the info I got [14:50] seb128: Right. Ok, thanks. [14:50] yw [14:50] garnacho is eventually going to fix it in GTK [14:50] but as he said, that's going to make us to more sync calls to X apis when not needed [14:51] it would be better to only set the passive grab on those buttons where we need them [14:51] seb128: Ok, that's good. I'll see what we can do on the Compiz side. I admittedly am not very educated in this area, but I'll see what we can do. [14:51] thanks [14:51] seb128: np [15:01] charles, tedg, larsu, Laney, mpt, settings meeting? [15:01] yep [15:01] yes [15:02]