[00:12] <cornfeedhobo> hello
[00:57] <melray> Hey anyone...I came across an article that talked about a gimp overlay called gimpshop. When I go to the website and select download it redirects to app.ubuntu.com...but it only shows gimp. Anyone know how to get the overlay to make gimp look more link photoshop?
[00:58] <melray> *like*
[06:53] <novakitty> Is it best to create shell scripts to be POSIX compliant and to avoid using things that might be specific to one shell or another (ie: bash)?  I was making a small script, teaching myself with the help of Google as I went...and at some point I found I had to change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash or things didn't work.
[07:09] <tsimpson> novakitty: if you want it to be properly portable across different operating systems/distributions then it's a good idea to only use POSIX specified constructs, otherwise it's easier just to use bash
[07:09] <novakitty> ok so bash isn't going anywhere any time soon?
[07:12] <tsimpson> no, it's not going anywhere
[07:17] <novakitty> You're sure there's not some sort of purist thing out there that dictates that I'm not cool unless I can script in POSIX only terms?
[07:19] <tsimpson> you only need to restrict yourself to POSIX if the only thing you know about the systems where the script will run is that they will be POSIX systems
[07:19] <tsimpson> things like init scripts are an example
[07:21] <novakitty> Are the differences condierable?
[07:22] <novakitty> considerable**
[07:24] <tsimpson> depends what you're doing, for most code it's not
[07:24] <tsimpson> bash really just builds on and extends what POSIX specifies
[07:26] <tsimpson> you can use the tool "checkbashisms" to verify if your script is POSIX or not
[07:26] <novakitty> well im sure what im trying to do is pretty basic stuff but i have to start small right
[07:26] <novakitty> oh that sounds helpful thank you
[07:27] <novakitty> cause right now if i change the interpreter it sort of just chokes for a second then dies and the window closes
[07:28] <novakitty> i made a script to ping a nearby PC, see if it's awake, wake it with wakeonlan if it isn't, then ping it until it's online, then connect with SSH
[07:30] <novakitty> is checkbashisms part of the devscripts package?
[07:34] <novakitty> no nvm
[07:37] <tsimpson> yep, devscripts (though command-not-found should tell you that)
[07:39] <novakitty> yeah i did apt-cache seach and it came back with that
[07:44] <novakitty> in posix are variables defined specifically as integers, strings, etc?  The first problem seems to be a "if != 0" condition is being found true when it should not be
[07:45] <tsimpson> variables are untyped
[07:45] <novakitty> ok
[07:46] <novakitty> wait i might have read somethign earlier about how you can't do somethign like this : PRESULT=$(ping -c 1 -W 1 $2 1>/dev/null)$?
[07:46] <tsimpson> given x=0; [ $x = "0" ]; and [ $x -eq 0 ]; are both true
[07:47] <tsimpson> you can't do that, but you can just do "ping ...; PRESULT=$?"
[07:47] <tsimpson> or even if ping ...; then ...; else ...; fi
[07:48] <novakitty> ok that that makes snese I'll try that....I thought I started off tryign that but ran into some sort of trouble....using PRESULT=$? i mean
[07:48] <novakitty> yes i read somethign about that too...that if ping succeeds it evaluates to "true" basically
[07:50] <tsimpson> 'if' tests the return value of the command given
[07:50] <tsimpson> [ is actually a command too, it's an alias for "test"
[07:51] <novakitty> [ is?
[07:51] <tsimpson> when you write if [ $x -eq 0 ]; then ...; fi
[07:51] <novakitty> oh i see
[07:52] <novakitty> so its not unlike any other command
[07:53] <tsimpson> right
[07:53] <novakitty> they way i wrote this, i need to test the variable twice, but prefer to only ping and set the variable once
[07:54] <novakitty> so testing to command directly both times might not be best if i can jsut set a varibale with the stderr code once
[07:54] <novakitty> but I'm new...did I mention that?
[07:55] <tsimpson> I think you did ;)
[07:55] <novakitty> ok im not new but i think after 15-20 years of trying to understand linux..im still scratchign the surcafe
[07:56] <novakitty> surface**
[07:57] <noaXess> hey all
[07:57] <tsimpson> it's a large subject area
[07:58] <noaXess> i have my kubuntu task bar on top of the screen.. windering why maximized windows go under it, instead of fit... maximized http://i.imgur.com/lBrUUO7.png, manual fit http://i.imgur.com/cfY9niN.png
[07:58] <noaXess> any idea?
[07:59] <noaXess> settings http://i.imgur.com/SrtgxDw.png
[08:01] <novakitty> do you have dual monitors?
[08:01] <novakitty> ive noticed this using a vertical panel set between two monitors
[08:07] <novakitty> here's how mine looks http://imgur.com/vcPpJOn
[08:07] <novakitty> same issue i think
[08:07] <novakitty> but it only happens if there is a screen enabled to the left there, if im set to only one screen it fits around the panel correctly
[08:08] <novakitty> http://i.imgur.com/vcPpJOn.jpg
[08:09] <donix> anyone able to help on xmodmap issues
[08:09] <novakitty> tsimpson: thank you for your help by the way.
[08:09] <tsimpson> no problem
[09:43] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:06] <tushar> How to install kubuntu
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:23] <noaXess> BluesKaj: morning ?.. :).. here its afternoon.. .. but hey too ;)
[13:24] <BluesKaj> noaXess, it's morning in Canada where I live
[13:25] <noaXess> BluesKaj: nice.. so next time we visit canada.. we can visit you  ;)
[13:25] <BluesKaj> you can try :)
[13:32] <cornfeedhobo> noaXess: its a bug with window decoration... there are a few bugs about this
[13:33] <noaXess> cornfeedhobo: aha... okey.. but that bug exists long time ago
[13:33] <cornfeedhobo> yup
[13:34] <cornfeedhobo> like most kde bugs
[13:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, i have no graphics problems with my nvidia gpu and kwin on my desktop pc ,but this laptop suffers when I enable desktop effects with OpenGL and raster settings
[13:35] <BluesKaj> so Xrender and native settings make it stable
[13:36] <BluesKaj> on 14.04
[13:36] <jarkko__> what is  baloo file?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> jarkko__, baloo replaces nepomuk desktop search
[13:37] <jarkko__> BluesKaj: how to disable?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> if it was enabled when you upgraded then it's difficult to disable. Maybe the ppl at #kubuntu-devel can advise how to disable, maybe kill in the cli
[14:16] <soee> jarkko__: any problemswith baloo ?
[14:16] <jarkko__> soee: i dont have a need for it
[14:17] <soee> ah ok, i see your entries on  #kubuntu-devel
[14:18] <soee> i had problems with it when is tarted to index large file si think :)
[14:18] <soee> processes take ~ 1,5gb ram and more
[14:18] <soee> but after it finished doing the job its almost invisible in system
[15:04] <antonio_> .
[18:39] <De5c3nt> OMG someone is making a Descent styled shooter for Linux!!! If you love linux, please help get this greenlight http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=111075014
[18:41] <BluesKaj> De5c3nt, please no spamming!
[18:50] <vipamon>  xv f
[18:50] <vipamon> hay alguien
[18:50] <Unit193> !no
[18:51] <vipamon> como pongo el kde de siempre?
[18:52] <Walex> !es
[19:14] <Scunizi> Looking in the System Settings > Audio Recording > Recording it appears that "internal Audio Analog Stereo is greyed out.  I'm trying to record audio from my sound card and haven't been able to. I'm thinking this is the reason.. Any ideas?
[19:17] <qdata> Scunizi: is that something new to KDE 4.13? Reason I ask is I have never seen a 'Audio Recording' in systemsettings...
[19:19] <Scunizi> qdata: not sure if it's new or not.. I haven't had a need to look at these settings or configuration panel in quite a while.  How do I verify which version of KDE I have?
[19:20] <qdata> easy way is to just select the Help menu in any KDE app and select the About Kde menu selection at bottom
[19:20] <Scunizi> Looks like I'm on 4.12.3
[19:20] <qdata> same here
[19:21] <lordievader> Scunizi: Download pavucontrol, it gives you more options.
[19:21] <Scunizi> lordievader: been there done that.. it's the same.
[19:23] <qdata> in System settings -> Multimedia -> Audio and Video Settings  first tab is Device Preferences
[19:23] <Scunizi> qdata: yep.. that's where Audio Recording > (choices.. Communicaiton: Recording: Control)  are located.
[19:24] <qdata> if your 'Built-in Audio Analog'  is greyed out my first guess would be some kernel module support for your audio hardware is missing
[19:24] <Scunizi> qdata: it is greyed out however it does play.. it just isn't accessable by Audacity or Sound Recorder
[19:25] <qdata> make a note of what audio hardware you have and use lsmod command to look for what kinf of snd_xxxxx modules may be in use
[19:25] <Scunizi> If I get audio through the analogue speakers and my usb headset you'd think I could monitor that stream for recording.
[19:26] <qdata> next thing I'd look at is the second tab 'audio hardware setup'
[19:26] <qdata> see if it is defaulting to the HDMI in a video card
[19:27] <Scunizi> Here's the output of lsmod http://paste.ubuntu.com/7132284/
[19:27] <qdata> well most of my experience is with microphone as an input
[19:28] <Scunizi> Looking at the Audio Hardware Setup tab I can choose "Built-in Audio" in the Hardware section and in the Device Configuration set Playback as analog output.. :(
[19:29] <Scunizi> recording from a mic either on my usb headset or webcam mic is not a problem.. just a stream playing through the sound card
[19:30] <qdata> ah - OK
[19:30] <qdata> not sure on recording streams like that but I'm sure it's doable somehow via pulseaudio
[19:32] <qdata> just no real experience here with that
[19:33] <qdata> another idea is run CLI command alsamixer
[19:33] <Scunizi> yea.. pavucontrol is pulaudio's control and I can change the options but... nothing.. even changing the built in audio output to the usb headset then recording from that or the monitor of that device doesn't work. Very strange..
[19:34] <qdata> make sure some channel you need isn't muted or disabled
[19:34] <Scunizi> yep
[19:34] <qdata> that's the lowest level of audio, next layer up is pulseadio so I'm thinking you need some pulesaudio plugin
[19:36] <Scunizi> I'll check the package manager..
[19:38] <qdata> I don't know as much about these as I should, but there are padevchooser, paprefs, paman, and the like
[19:40] <Scunizi> padevchooser isn't in my package manager (running 12.04).  paprefs & paman are.. I'll check my google-fu against those packages to see what's what.
[19:42] <qdata> I'm thinking mixer, and have noted in the past kmix doesn't show what's not there, eg a slider control won't come into existance until the stream is actually present
[19:42] <qdata> then when the stream is inactive/gone it goes away
[19:44] <qdata> but two things strike me - the greyed out analog audio stuff is somehow not a right thing, and maybe the mixer doesn't see the streams until they are active
[19:44] <qdata> if the mixer isn't seeeing them audacity probably won't either
[19:45] <qdata> beyond that I'm out of ideas    :-)
[19:50] <Scunizi> qdata: thanks.. you are right in that the mixer doesn't see the streams until they are active.  I have been playing the continuous loop of Pharrell Williams Happy on youtube and "recording" to active the stream in all the relevant mixers (which it does).  I'm stumpped.. thanks for the help
[19:52] <qdata> ugh - flash
[19:54] <qdata> I see ALSA plugin [plugin container]; ALSA Playback but when I look at the Capture Streams tab in Kmix I see ' nothing is capturing audio'
[19:57] <qdata> as a side-step in lieu of not being able to record a flash video you might consider youtube-dl
[19:58] <qdata> I think it has an option in one of the command line switches to extract just the audio from flash
[19:58] <qdata> been meaning to try that out
[21:16] <nobull> Is there a solution to the Unable to connect to KDED under services
[21:17] <shadeslayer> nobull: run kded4
[21:18] <shadeslayer> in a konsole
[21:18] <shadeslayer> what do you ger
[21:18] <shadeslayer> *get
[21:18] <nobull> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. kded(2900) ColorD::connectToDisplay: RandR extension missing  kded(2900) ColorD::ColorD: Failed to connect to DISPLAY and get the needed resources  Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0". Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing 
[21:24] <qdata> nobull: try turning Color daemon off in system settings -> Startup and shutdown -> Services Manager  and see if that helps anything
[21:25] <nobull> qdata: that is where i get the error, when i try to get into there.
[21:28] <Roey> hi all
[21:28] <Roey> why don't I hear any sound output from my system?
[21:28] <Roey> on Kubuntu 14.04
[21:28] <Roey> make our ship go?
[21:32] <qdata> nobull: try ps ax |grep /usr/lib/colord/colord and if it returns kill that process, then try to disable in systemsettings and restart KDE if disable succeeds
[21:47] <nobull> got it. it was the xinerama for nvidia
[21:48] <nobull> quit
[21:53] <yruss> Hi! Does anybody solved the issue with system monitor displaying closed processes? Pretty annoyed with that
[21:56] <yruss>  /msg NickServ identify ckwell
[22:02] <yruss> hmmm
[22:02] <Unit193> Changed your password I hope?
[22:02] <shadeslayer> ^^
[22:02] <yruss> :)) for sure)
[22:38] <friti> Anyone else having plasma segfault in 14.04?
[22:42] <friti> Hmmm... the culprit appears to be the worldclock plasmoid. I have however used it for several weeks without any issues....
[22:46] <friti> Yup, that did the trick! However, i don;t know how to uninstall plasmoids, so i went to /usr/lib/kde4/ and renamed the lib that provides the plasmoid.