[00:12] <wxl> one: no need for a private message
[00:17] <one> Is there any way to use 8.8.8.8 to echo the ip address back?
[00:18] <one> I want to make a little applet to display the external ip on the desktop at boot.
[00:19] <wxl> one: curl http://ipecho.net/plain
[00:27] <one> Is root always able to loook into an user encrypted home directory?
[00:27] <wxl> i would expect the answer to be no to that but i do not know
[00:31] <one> I would have thought that is the idea of using enc home except root appears to be able to look into it.
[00:44] <one> are there a lot of german speakers in dallas texas?
[00:46] <one> Trying to figure out why there are pipes to verizon in texas
[01:43] <one> What is the command to show which package a file belongs to?
[01:45] <one> Or even just the location of the update-notofier ps -ax just shows the name and no path.
[01:46] <Unit193> dpkg -S `which update-notofier`
[04:10] <one> unable to ping lo
[04:11] <one> What may be the reason for this?
[04:11] <one> The netfilter doesn't seem to be setup right.
[04:11] <one> It is allowing all outgoing pings
[04:12] <one> And pings out to the net work fine
[04:12] <one> But something is blocking pings to lo
[04:14] <one> Which is still perplexing considering mailx works without allowing smtp
[04:15] <one> so pings to lo are getting dropped but smtp is allowed?
[04:20] <one> hmm
[04:59] <duoi> what is the minium system requirements for lubuntu?
[04:59] <duoi> s/minium/minimum
[04:59] <wxl> not much, duoi. whatcha got?
[04:59] <duoi> wxl, 1GB HDD space
[05:00] <wxl> duoi: oh, well, that's a problem. XD
[05:02] <wxl> duoi: typically i think you need 8gb but there's ways around that
[05:03] <wxl> duoi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[05:03] <duoi> wxl, all of the documentation seems to focus on memory instead of storage. minimum requirements dont even mention storage :/
[05:04] <wxl> duoi: unfortunately i don't think we've documented how much hard drive space core or desktop would take up
[05:04] <wxl> duoi: that's because storage is crazzy cheap!
[05:04] <wxl> i mean honestly i can't remember the last time i saw a 1gb hdd
[05:04] <wxl> and i'm surrounded by old stuff XD
[05:05] <ianorlin> the last time I saw a 2 gb one the computer didn't even have an ethernet port and no wireless
[05:05] <Unit193> I could walk into the basement and pull one out for you, wxl.
[05:05] <wxl> right
[05:05] <wxl> Unit193: you know some fancy trick to figure out the total installed/package sizes of lubuntu-core and its dependencies?
[05:06] <duoi> heh, all i can spare is 1GB for this VM. my total storage space on this machine is 64gb, and you can imagine that id have very little left after windows and a few programs
[05:06] <Unit193> wxl: No fancy tricks, though I have something else that would be about the same.
[05:06] <ianorlin> you can install on a usb hdd if you want to
[05:06] <wxl> duoi: easy solution→kill windows
[05:06] <wxl> Unit193: i'm all ears
[05:06] <ianorlin> but may need plop then
[05:06] <wxl> +1 ianorlin
[05:07] <ianorlin> seriously you can get a massive 1tb for like 80 bucks as a 2.5" drive and not have to plug it in to a power source
[05:08] <Unit193> duoi: Is this ssd?
[05:08] <duoi> Unit193, yes
[05:08] <Unit193> Figured, with that size.
[05:08] <wxl> :)
[05:08] <duoi> proprietary too. so i cant upgrade it. thanks obama.
[05:09] <wxl> um?
[05:09] <wxl> is it part of obamacare or something?
[05:10]  * ianorlin doesn't see what obama has to do with any of this
[05:10] <duoi> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thanks-obama
[05:10] <wxl> DUDE I JUST FOUND THE AIRPLANE IN MY HARD DRIVE
[06:52] <one> Why does the rhythmbox ddap share default to listening on an ipv6 port?
[06:53] <one> It is creating usage problems confsidering my filters are set for inet only at present
[06:53] <one> Is there a way to change it to listen on an ip4 port?
[06:55] <one> Also the empathy bonjour.
[07:00] <one> there are no ipv6 interfaces up and it still binds to tcp6
[07:02] <one> hey
[07:02] <one> hey!
[07:02] <one> hey ya ya ya
[10:10] <hanner> hi, what is the default username/pw for the live session? screensaver locked me out during installation wizard :/
[19:09] <nch> Hi there, does anyone knows a good GUI for GPG in Lubuntu? Kgpg asks me for several of related files I dont want to install. (Sorry if the question is irrelevant :-) I'm new in town :-) )
[19:09] <wxl> !search gpg
[19:10] <wxl> oh that's not what i wanted silly
[19:10] <Unit193> nch: seahourse isn't so bad.
[19:10] <Unit193> seahorse*
[19:12] <nch> Thank you for the suggestion Unit193, I'll give it a try. ;)
[19:32] <FuuqUmiist> what do you type to upgrade 13.04 to 13.10?
[19:33] <Unit193> You can either use the upgrade-manager, or  do-release-upgrade
[19:34] <holstein> yup.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/368738/update-to-13-10-without-gui-access
[19:34] <holstein> i would rather fresh install..
[19:35] <FuuqUmiist> fresh install wasn't working properly, i wasted 5 dvds trying to fresh install
[19:40] <holstein> i usually waste 5+ hours trying to upgrade ;)
[19:42] <FuuqUmiist> i can just upgrade then come back 5 hours later right?
[19:43] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: as i said, i just fresh install.. im not sure what you can do.. depends on network speed, etc
[19:43] <FuuqUmiist> or do i have to enter and click things throughout the 5 hours?
[19:44] <Unit193> Depends, sometimes it does ask questions as to if it should overwrite a file.
[19:44] <Unit193> (Doesn't normally take 5hours for me at least, depends on connection and other factors.)
[19:45] <holstein> Unit193: you get in under an hour?
[19:45] <Unit193> holstein: Don't think that fast. :P
[19:45] <Unit193> Depends on the mirror too.
[19:45] <holstein> yeah.. thats true
[19:45] <holstein> i assume its always on my end where the bottleneck is
[19:46] <Unit193> speedtest.net or cachefly, and see how much slower the archive is.
[20:38] <FuuqUmiist> i think lubuntu froze when it restarted after the upgrade
[20:45] <FuuqUmiist> omg, the upgrade didn't work
[21:18] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: upgrades can fail.. depends on many things, such as your network setup
[21:18] <holstein> regardless, i'll usually test a live CD anyways.. "dont work" is not enough information for me to propose what could have happened
[21:18] <holstein> typically, i'll try tty
[21:18] <holstein> !tty
[21:19] <holstein> to see if the system is there, and not reponding graphically, or whatever.. could be as simple as the graphics card not being supported in 13.10
[21:19] <FuuqUmiist> lubuntu wouldn't even boot
[21:19] <holstein> i would just be installing 14.04 at this point, however, since its so close to coming out.. again, just muy peronsal preference
[21:20] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: wont boot in what way? hardware failure? bad hard drive? grub not responding? noX? recovery console working?
[21:21] <FuuqUmiist> it stalls at the lubuntu screen, or sometimes will just remain blank
[21:21] <phillw> (21:19:31) holstein: i would just be installing 14.04 at this point, however, since its so close to coming out.. again, just muy peronsal preference
[21:21] <phillw> +1
[21:22] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: and you can tty? or no? and the recovery console? have you tried the vesa driver? or safe graphics mode?
[21:22] <FuuqUmiist> actually i just finished reinstall 13.04
[21:22] <holstein> 13.04 is EOL
[21:22] <FuuqUmiist> i know, buts its the only dvd that works
[21:23] <holstein> thats not true here
[21:23] <holstein> you would have to ask a question to get support.. like "i burn DVD's like this and this happens"
[21:23] <holstein> saying they dont work, is a statement
[21:23] <holstein> i installed 13.10 and 14.04 lubuntu from DVD here
[21:24] <FuuqUmiist> my the dvd drive is failing or something
[21:24] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: so, thats nothing to do with the iso or the product them
[21:24] <holstein> then*
[21:25] <FuuqUmiist> but the upgrade didn't work too
[21:25] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: the DVD is *not* failing in that scenario, if that is true.. the optical drive is.. what do i do in that scenario? i'll take the drive to another machine and install, then put the drive back
[21:25] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: i prefer fresh installs over upgrades..
[21:27] <holstein> you could be having any graphics issue, like the one i mentioned above, and you wouldnt know if support has been dropped from the kernel for your hardware
[21:27] <FuuqUmiist> i think i'll jsut use 13.04 for this computer since the computer won't be using the internet much, and the other computers i'll just keep with windows
[21:28] <holstein> again, i would use 14.04 at this point
[21:28] <holstein> but, i'll just wait til you have a support question
[21:28] <FuuqUmiist> yeah, but its not released, maybe i'll try it in the future when i have time
[21:28] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: it *is* available..
[21:30] <holstein> ive probably had 5 successful 14.04 installs since you have been coming here about that machine
[21:31] <FuuqUmiist> where is the iso
[21:31] <holstein> neither 13.04 nor 14.04 are officially supported.. at least 14.04 is scheduled for support, and it will get years of support
[21:32] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/
[21:32] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/beta-1/
[21:33] <holstein> !14.04
[21:33] <holstein> i shouldnt say there is no support for 14.04..
[21:34] <FuuqUmiist> it is updated daily, i think i'll just use the stable 13.03 since i know it installs and works
[21:34] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: 13.04* is not "stable".. its EOL
[21:34] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: its dead.. not supported any more.. its ended
[21:36] <FuuqUmiist> as along as you can watch movies, listen to music, type up documents, it should be fine for now
[21:36] <holstein> you shouldnt do *anything* with it.. besides replace it with a supported operating system.. you shouldnt have it online at all.. but, you will probably be, fine..
[21:37] <holstein> its just not fair, or accurate to consider it "stable" when its EOL
[21:37] <FuuqUmiist> it probably won't be online much, i think they will use it mainly to watch movies and listen to music with, maybe typing up some documents
[21:38] <holstein> as long as you dont consider, or state that its stable in anyway.. or consider or state it as safe, or supported.. its EOL
[22:41] <one> join ##kernel
[23:42] <FuuqUmiist> how do you remove abiword without removing lubuntu-desktop
[23:42] <Unit193> You don't, you let lubuntu-desktop go too.
[23:44] <FuuqUmiist> that sucks
[23:45] <Unit193> Why?
[23:45] <Unit193> !meta
[23:46] <Unit193> !metapackage
[23:47] <FuuqUmiist> so if i remove lubuntu-desktop what software will be removed?
[23:49] <FuuqUmiist> the good thing about lxde is that there wasn't too much integration
[23:51] <FuuqUmiist> Unit193 do you know how to make a folder shortcut on the panel?
[23:52] <Unit193> If you remove lubuntu-deskop, you lost nothing.
[23:52] <FuuqUmiist> oh ok
[23:53] <Unit193> I tend to like desktop files telling pcmanfm to open them, but you can also just use a common link.