[04:48] <benkillin> I fully expect kostkon to get +q as well
[04:48] <benkillin> 00:34:18        kostkon | benkillin, 53 % 28 =  ?    you've got 2 secs
[04:48] <benkillin> 00:34:33        kostkon | benkillin, you failed
[04:48] <benkillin> because that is obviously clutter
[04:48] <Jordan_U> benkillin: koston was not a continuing problem. You were.
[04:49] <benkillin> and that problem is what?
[04:49] <benkillin> chatting in an IRC channel does not prevent anybody from getting help
[04:50] <Jordan_U> benkillin: Now that we have gotten past the whole "who is cluttering the channel" argument by moving the discussion here, are you willing to follow the guidelines in #ubuntu in the future?
[04:50] <benkillin> please re-link those guidelines
[04:50] <Jordan_U> benkillin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[04:52] <benkillin> including the code of conduct, the only guideline on that page I violated was "being annoying"
[04:52] <benkillin> which can obviously be subjectively extended to kostkon
[04:53] <benkillin> so if you do not say something to him I have no desire to ever help your project again on irc
[04:53] <benkillin> and just so you know I have over 13 years of experience with linux and I started with ubuntu in 2006
[04:53] <Jordan_U> benkillin: "Recommendations from channel operators, including those stored in the channel bots, should be followed."
[04:54] <benkillin> you are not designated as a channel operator in that channel
[04:54] <benkillin> channel operators have +o
[04:54] <Jordan_U> benkillin: True.
[04:54] <Jordan_U> !ot
[04:54] <benkillin> so if you desire to purport yourself as a channel operator, keep +o all the time
[04:55] <Jordan_U> Clearly that was not the factoid I was expecting.
[04:55]  * rww giggles
[04:56] <rww> !offtopic
[04:56] <Jordan_U> benkillin: I personally think that requests from all users should be considered respecfully, but indeed that is not in the guidelines literal text. But, now that you know that it is official policy of #ubuntu not to make offtopic comments, do you agree to follow that policy in the future?
[04:57] <benkillin> I agree, however I will no longer participate in your project
[04:58] <benkillin> volunteering to help people on the internet should not require this sort of bullshit
[04:58] <benkillin> I deal with enough of that all day long
[05:03] <Jordan_U> That portion of the channel guidelines, follow recommendations from ops, does indeed grate against the idea of "catalizing". We're somewhat trying to have it both ways. And using bot triggers to get around that with the letter of the guidelines is clearly suboptimal, and also often not the best way to catalize.
[05:55] <elky> catalyzing is a romantic notion to begin with.
[05:56] <elky> catalyzing is also not "compromise"
[05:56] <elky> if you have to let someone misbehave to compromise between removing their disruptiveness, there's something wrong
[07:39] <one> request for unban
[07:40] <one> jtrucks request for unban
[07:40] <one> Corey send it through
[07:44] <one> yano unban
[13:48] <DJones> @mark #ubuntu jkale/Agd_Scorp trolling, ban tracker flags up as syko
[13:49] <cfhowlett> DJones, that was random.  enters channel, fbombs and calls ops on himself ...
[13:51] <h00k> what is this, I don't even
[14:26] <k1l> syko :(
[15:03] <cprofitt> hello all
[15:03] <cfhowlett> cprofitt, greetings
[19:22] <jobarte_skuld> oper of #ubuntu-br here?
[19:23] <Unit193> Loco channel OPs are in #ubuntu-irc generally.
[19:42] <Unit193> jobarte_skuld: Been taken care of, was there anything else you needed?
[23:24] <Cheekio> Is a quiet a permanent thing, or a temp thing?
[23:29] <Jordan_U> Cheekio: It's something that you can get resolved by talking with us here. Welcome :)
[23:30] <Cheekio> Anyone else?
[23:30] <Jordan_U> Cheekio: We have certain guidelines in #ubuntu that we ask our users to follow.
[23:30] <Jordan_U> !guidelines | Cheekio
[23:31] <Jordan_U> Cheekio: Please take a moment to read them and tell me when you're done.
[23:32] <Cheekio> Is it not considered rude to ping a bot at someone instead of addressing them directly?
[23:32] <knome> Cheekio, the guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[23:33] <Cheekio> Reading it now, knome
[23:34] <Cheekio> Thanks for the link and being respectful.
[23:35] <Cheekio> Pretty solid Ts & Cs
[23:36] <Cheekio> I don't see how I violated any of these rules
[23:36] <Cheekio> I do, however, see that Jordan has violated the very first rule of being kind, respectful, and cooperative.
[23:38] <Jordan_U> Cheekio: I apologise for short responses, I'm trying to give 3 people support at once while talking to you. No disrespect was intended.
[23:40] <Jordan_U> Cheekio: You were asked to stop your offtopic discussion in #ubuntu, yet continued anyway.
[23:42] <one> unban one for helping others help
[23:43] <rww> one: where have you been helping others help?
[23:43] <one> for for
[23:43] <one> fore rww
[23:43] <rww> one: hrm?
[23:44] <rww> oh, you want me to unban you so that you can help others?
[23:44] <one> I can send it forward.
[23:45] <one> some have capabilities to help
[23:45] <rww> one: what is your normal language?
[23:46] <one> what sense of normal?
[23:46] <rww> one: the one that you speak most of the time and are best at
[23:46] <one> well yes
[23:47] <Jordan_U> Cheekio: Have you finished reading the channel guidelines, and if so, do you agree to follow them in the future?
[23:50] <one> I should help
[23:50] <rww> one: you should answer my question :)
[23:51] <one> what is is, you went from future to past
[23:51] <one> now is the time to help
[23:52] <rww> now is the time to give me confidence that if i let you back in #ubuntu you won't cause a mess again
[23:53] <one> just going to watch for 24h worth of clock cycles to assess strategems for help
[23:53] <rww> !1984
[23:53] <rww> feel free to read those ^ instead and come back here when you have such strategems. I'd be interested to hear them.
[23:54] <one> What are LoCo channels?
[23:54] <Cheekio> @Jordan: I agree
[23:55] <rww> LoCos are local community teams, but that's not important right now
[23:55] <one> now you are pointing to the past again
[23:56] <one> 24h of current is more important than logs of the past
[23:56] <rww> Thankfully, you can access 24h of current in 24h, using the log site.
[23:56] <rww> Anything else we can help you with today?
[23:57] <Jordan_U> Cheekio: Great, thank you. You are no longer quited in #ubuntu.