[00:05] yay.... im awake :/ [00:05] yay [00:05] sup jussi [00:05] hi maps|wrk_ [00:05] =] [00:06] 2 year old decided that she isn't sleeping this night [00:07] ah damn [00:07] you got work in the morning? [00:07] yup [00:07] that aint good ;( [00:08] nope [00:17] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ytvjz/Life_and_Death_Row_Execution/ [00:17] quite interesting === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:08] maps|wrk_: there was a cat on my lap [01:08] in super elongated mode, no less [01:09] ah [01:09] the cat sat on the mat [01:09] O_o [01:10] i'm no matthew [01:10] thats the rhyme they do at school :P [01:10] for little kids [01:10] heh [06:50] morning all [06:52] moin [08:05] Morning all [08:08] hello diplo === kardinalzero is now known as knightwise [08:17] hey hey [08:17] hiya knightwise [08:17] why is so hard to get a copy of a LPIC book :( raaaaaa [09:07] 192.168.35.241 [09:07] indeed? [09:08] Morning, happy Friday except for my wife who has to work all weekend [09:08] Morning all. [09:09] morning [09:11] morning alan bashrc [09:30] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Common Courtesy Day! :-D [09:38] common courtesy. blimey [09:39] must be why i got charged down by some woman getting off the entry doors of the bus today [09:40] and why my wife got lambasted for giving her son a babycino (frothy milk) in starbucks [09:40] "you're teaching him to drink coffee!!" [09:40] other mums are weird. [09:43] What the hell is wrong with drinking coffee anyway [09:44] Clear health and productivity benefits [09:44] Promotes a more vigorous global trade economy [09:44] Gives hipsters something to do that isn't drinking vodka and being maudlin about their MacBook going to sleep [09:50] my son is 4 [09:50] but he wasn't drinking coffee so i have no idea why the crazy lady was abusing my missis [09:50] Morning all [09:50] who also got abused by another mum because she looks after the kids full time :S [09:55] hello davmore :) [09:55] morning boys and girls. [10:17] https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanLord/posts/bMX4THk7g4P :-D [10:18] how cool is that === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:19] Good morning peeps :) [11:22] morning [11:22] morning [11:35] does anyone know how to opt out of your medical records getting sent to 3rd party research? [12:13] bigcalm: Morning dude === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:33] popey: I love the head phones comment :) [12:34] ☻ [12:34] foobarry: i thought that deadline had passed [12:38] Afternoon [12:46] Morning davmor2 [12:47] Car is currently in the garage having a git of an overhaul :( [12:48] git of an overhaul hey [12:48] Typo but apt [12:48] i'd prefer a bzr one [12:48] pimp my ride [12:48] bigcalm: do they know what is up and have they given you a quote on a fix? [12:49] davmor2: it's in for a full service as well as investigation work. [12:49] davmor2: Most likely to be the ABS sensors [12:50] bigcalm: let me know cause I think mine might have a similar issue but it only seems to kick in when it has been raining [12:52] davmor2: it went on for months and months, randomly appearing and disappearing. The last straw was the whole system going silly - turbo not being used, speed dial not working, console screaming STOP! at me, power steering not turning off after the ignition was [12:52] davmor2: I love my 407, but it's turned out to be expensive :( [12:53] see fortunately I've not had any of those issues [12:57] You've not had your car as long and I'm unlucky I'd say [13:00] bigcalm: :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:01] Apart from drowning, my 406 cars were much more robust [13:03] bigcalm: I'd say mine has been more reliable than my 406 but then we had issues galore with that, my 306 estate wass nice and just chugged along nice but cost a fortune :) [13:09] Don't know if this is of any interest to Android owners http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/128031-amazon-giving-away-apps-worth-40-to-kindle-fire-and-android-owners-includes-swype-and-runtastic [13:09] looool [13:10] Hey, I was wondering if anybody know when the next episode of Ubuntu Uk Podcast will be out?. Been a long time since the last one [13:10] steffen: we're meeting up for curry soon [13:10] starts again in April [13:11] popey: Ah, thanks a lot. Was starting to think something was wrong with my podcaster app :). Looking forward to April then ! [13:12] \o/ [13:12] popey: what a swindle. wasn't told anything about it [13:12] I saw it all over twitter [13:12] friends and celebs saying "last days to opt out" [13:14] i only follow machines on twitter :S [13:16] too late for me then [13:17] why wasn't there a proper upcry about this stealthy sale of our data? [13:31] foobarry: There was, it was headline news for about 1-2 weeks before the project was postboned [13:31] but the data already got sold? [13:31] it shouldn't have to be on the news & twitter, they should write me a personal letter if they decide to opt me in [13:32] i didn't see it on bbc news though [13:32] read that most days [13:32] in other news. have you all played http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1g84m0sXpnNCv84GpN2PLZG/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-game-30th-anniversary-edition [13:33] foobarry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26239532 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:35] http://games.usvsth3m.com/2048-doctor-who-edition/ is fun [13:37] DJones: there isn't even an official form to opt out, and guarantee that the surgery will communicate your preference [13:37] i suspect the data has already been collected [14:09] Any one use powerline ethernet? I've just bought myself a starter kit. [14:35] MooDoo: I have a TP-Link pair of adapters, but my mains is bad somehow, and I only get 2 MBit/s out of them between rooms. [14:35] I assume there's interference. [14:36] dwatkins: could be bad type of cable [14:36] dwatkins: stranded wire is bad for powerline ethernet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Stranded_lamp_wire.jpg) [14:36] dwatkins: solid is good: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ecolightled.com/images/trouble/solid_lrg.jpg [14:38] I have them plugged directly into the wall, but it could indeed be the mains cables in the ring main, yeah. [14:39] dwatkins: I was going for the tplink but went with netgear in the end [15:08] http://rudradevbasak.github.io/16384_hex/ [16:18] uh oh... [16:36] hi folks, i'm on a network, and i can't resolve something the dns is meant to be resolving.. my /etc/resolv.conf just says nameserver 127.0.0.1 searchdomain office.gb.ourcompany.net [16:36] what is the real dns server my machine is currently looking at? [16:44] do you have dns running on your pc? [16:45] if not , you need an additional nameserver line [16:45] nameserver 8.8.8.8 for example [16:46] uh no [16:46] the 127.0.0.1 is pointing to dnsmasq [16:47] ah, network manager does it now [16:47] annoyingly [16:47] it won't on servers by default I think [16:50] a resolv.conf used to be stored somewhere in /var but I can't find it in 14.04 [16:51] that's because those used to use "resolvconf", now it uses dnsmasq? maybe? [16:51] DNSMasq configuration is now done via DBUS. [16:51] # See /var/log/syslog for the nameservers used. [16:51] yes [16:51] You can use files in /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d [16:51] # to configure dnsmasq. [16:51] superugly way to do it [16:51] fugging dbus [16:52] I hate that everything is moving away from the "unix way" of small tasks and plain-text config [16:52] blame lennart [16:52] one binary per task! [16:53] e.g. "ls" it has one purpose only and doesn't try to do random things like change permissions [16:54] dbus makes everything really opaque to diagnose [17:03] Should respect the "everything is a file" principle and make a virtual filesystem with the dconf in it [17:04] Update config by opening files and saving them [17:04] Hmm, sounds vaguely familiar.... === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:20] afternoon [17:24] morning [17:26] howdy [17:26] had to buy smart clothes today for upcoming events :O [17:34] interview daftykins? [17:34] nah christening Sunday, then two weddings coming up [17:37] meh everyone's getting married off except me [17:37] :-p [17:37] lol [17:37] trust me i am in no danger of that fate [17:38] heh [17:38] weddings are pretty tiresome [17:38] i dont get invited to many..which i suppose isa good thing [17:38] *nod* [17:38] have to come up to England for one in June/July [17:39] not a cheap time at all === adam___ is now known as kabads === adam___ is now known as kabads [18:29] one more test to run through, and i can begin ISO seeding [18:31] ISO seeding? what you trying directhex [18:31] \o/ [18:32] need to finally test dual-boot on RAID [18:32] i know booting from RAID works, but debian-installer is in *such bad shape* for dmraid [18:32] so i need to verify that it works [18:33] not as simple as having the dmrad packages available in the live session for it to be ready to see volumes properly? :( [18:33] *dmraid [18:35] never heard of iso seeding though [18:35] no. want the full technical breakdown? [18:35] i think i'm ok :) [18:36] mapps: he just means seeding a torrent containing a .ISO image [18:39] eeeevenin everyone [18:39] how are you guys doing tonight ? [18:39] allo knightwise [18:39] hey diddledan [18:39] * knightwise needs to flash his nexus 7 back to android [18:39] Ubuntu just isn't ready for prime time yett [18:40] i am fine ty sir, yourself? good week? [18:45] is that it daftykins lol i knew what it meant in that context i thought we were talking linux stuff;p [18:45] thats why u didnt know what seeding iso mant [18:45] ah knightwise that sucks i was considering trying it..no point now? [18:48] i'd imagine it's fine if you have a spare device you don't care about so much and like fiddling with something that's a WIP [18:50] yea [18:51] http://www.ebuyer.com/497433-crucial-480gb-m500-2-5-6gbps-ssd-ct480m500ssd1 [18:51] £160 for real brand 480gb ssd [18:52] not bad [18:52] comparing to the competition anyway [18:53] it sucks that flash is still so damned pricey [18:53] I heard an opinion that flash won't ever get cheaper than spinning rust, more that spinning rust will increase in price until it's more expensive than flash (semantics, I know, but the net result is still higher prices overall) [18:54] hrmm [18:54] that's not a bad price [18:54] but i don't think i need one XD [18:54] I don't need one, but I want 4 [18:54] RAID!! [18:54] iirc you're yet to go SSD? [18:55] diddledan, http://hexus.net/business/news/components/67745-ssds-enjoy-strong-growth-2014-thanks-falling-nand-price/ [18:55] hah that'd only be worthy on a fast hardware controller natively PCI-E [18:59] hmm the crucial 480GB is £146.66 direct from them anywho [18:59] at least, for however long left my retarded excuse for a government takes to introduce GST =| [19:00] :-( [19:00] diddledan: g'wan treat yourself! http://www.ebuyer.com/497417-crucial-120gb-m500-ssd-ct120m500ssd1 [19:01] ;) [19:14] i have a hell of a migraine, which doesn't help [19:17] :( [19:17] is wee-one to blame? [19:18] no, had it about 24 hours now [19:18] I really need to figure out a way of remembering which device has which ip/hostname [19:18] working on steamos for you people is *killing me*! [19:19] I guess I _could_ get a labelling machine [19:20] diddledan: you never took pics for me ;_; [19:20] oh yeah, pics [19:21] Must admit, I don't see the point in SSD's, oooh, look, I've reduced my boot time by 20 seconds.....ok,if 20 seconds is that important to you, what are you doing sat at a computer measuring boot times [19:22] DJones: that's simply the most prevalent of comparisons, once you add up all the seconds here and there from application launches, to package installs, to any number of things - the question becomes "why wait?" [19:22] it makes everything load faster too [19:23] or "what is your time worth?" :) [19:24] DJones, let's say you're a webkit developer, and you bill your clients a thousand dollars a day. switching to SSD means you save literally days a month on compile times, making yourself a more competitive developer [19:24] or OOo or any huge code base [19:25] I always work on the "life's too short to worry" theory (thats as a user though, not a developer), as an accountant, I can see cost savings for them, but for general use, they seem a waste [19:25] nah honestly once you've used one, it totally changes the computing experience [19:25] especially if you're coming from old generation HDDs [19:26] yeah [19:26] wife's laptop with rust in it is painful [19:27] i only buy ssds for my engineers. we can save the purchase price of an ssd in a single day's build time savings [19:27] :D [19:27] i take it you are not building C++ code then [19:36] ali1234, why? [19:36] because C++ compilation is typically CPU bound [19:37] even putting it in a ram disk doesn't speed it up [19:42] daftykins: here's my network switchen: https://plus.google.com/photos/+DanielLlewellynJNR/albums/5993328455648567025 [19:42] cablemess [19:42] I really need to organise those cables [19:45] :D [19:45] you sir, could do with a large switch for Christmas [19:45] oh thanks [19:45] that's very kind of you [19:45] :-p [19:45] hahaha [19:46] why so many Pi's yet only one in use 0o [19:46] I haven't organised myself yet [19:46] I've got another one in use elsewhere [19:49] I took delivery of a load of ethernet cables for those today [19:49] I'm unsure how to power them all though === JamesTait is now known as Guest58327 [19:50] most multi-way usb thingies only do like 2 - 2.5 amps [19:54] desktop PSUs seem to be used by most i've seen doing large Pi setups [19:56] im kinda with DJones i dont see the need for SSD for most normal users [19:56] hrmm if i have a .bin file that's firmware for a router, is there anyway of viewing some header info within it? [19:58] i was gonna say a hex viewe but maybe not [20:01] argh. grub-installer failure. :/ [20:06] :< [20:08] so much logic in grub-installer is designed to make it ignore your settings & do its own thing [20:08] like... [20:09] if [ "$(device_to_disk "$cdsrc")" = "$default_bootdev" ] || \ [20:09] ([ -n "$hdsrc" ] && [ "$(device_to_disk "$hdsrc")" = "$default_bootdev" ]) || \ [20:09] ([ "$default_bootdev" = '(hd0)' ] && \ [20:09] (([ -n "$cdfs" ] && [ "$cdfs" != "iso9660" ]) || \ [20:09] [ "$hybrid" = true ])) || \ [20:09] ([ "$default_bootdev" != '(hd0)' ] && \ [20:09] ! partmap "$default_bootdev" >/dev/null && \ [20:09] directhex: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [20:09] ! grub_probe -t fs -d "$default_bootdev" >/dev/null); then [20:09] directhex: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [20:09] that's one if statement [20:11] :( [20:12] designed to replace your hard-coded grub-installer/bootdev value with $default_bootdev [20:12] I;m just wondering which bit of that caused the bot to go ballistic [20:13] Ah the ! lines [20:15] apparently bot is summoned by ^\s*! not ^! [20:17] lol i like the bot responding [20:40] who wants to help me with seeding Ye Olde SteamOS 5? [20:41] i can but my bandwidths not great=[ [20:42] directhex: lemme install a torrent client and I'll be with you [20:44] bigcalm, ping? [20:44] basically, if you want to help & can keep the new name a secret, ask daftykins for the torrent URL. need to go buy some dinner right now, will be back in ~30 [20:45] so we're seeding it but want it to be a secret? [20:45] i can anyway but not sure i follow [20:46] :) [20:46] mapps: there's going to be a big reveal IIRC [20:46] Good morning peeps :) [20:47] so we're seeding it to prepare for the big push I believe [20:47] feel free to query me if any of you want to seed, i'm 53% into grabbing it from directhex so you'll be able to get ~1.7MB down from us both combined shortly [20:48] in fact, in 4 mins [20:48] that'ld be a useful feature for commercial use of torrents - being able to preseed a torrent node via a more usual protocol such as http [20:51] so, any of you want to join in? [20:51] yes please [20:52] just this second finished :D excellent timing [20:52] ya [20:52] i will [20:52] what is this ye olde steamOS without sounding like a mug [20:53] that was the *old* release of directhex's custom SteamOS respin which supported more things than Valve's official release did [20:53] presuming you know of SteamOS already? [20:55] briefly yea [20:55] never tried it [20:55] nor i [20:55] i'm just happy to seed to help out (: [20:55] :) [20:55] diddledan: you have a PM sir [20:56] right i also need to nip to the shop [20:56] roger that :-) [20:57] popey: are you up for seeding sir? [20:57] evening all [20:57] heya [20:58] sure [20:59] allo popey [21:00] hmm only 3Mb from me, some other things are active [21:00] ho-hum :) [21:00] ok shop \o [21:02] il start it in a bit here using all my tiny amount of bw atm :) [21:03] ^_^ [21:03] roger that [21:05] daftykins: ping :) [21:05] pong [21:05] * bigcalm stops seeding the old torrent at a ratio of 104 [21:07] seeding new one? [21:07] daftykins: want to msg me the torrent url? [21:07] +please [21:08] Oh, mapps. Can you msg me it? [21:08] I'm just about to step out myself. Would be good to get it going [21:10] ya [21:10] Thanks [21:13] i'll announce once the video tutorials are done. i have 1 of those left to make [21:14] popey: how was the shinding [21:14] also, my migraine has grown a sore throat. i'm thinking flu-like symptoms [21:14] did you go? [21:17] bigcalm: still need the url? [21:18] sekrit [21:18] love that spelign [21:19] o_O I'm done already? [21:19] I only started like a minute ago [21:20] i gave it to him diddledan [21:25] Myrtti: couldn't go [21:25] awwww [21:25] what a shame [21:25] dsample did. [21:25] sophie was in a thing at school [21:25] awww [21:26] was his birthday and all [21:26] aw man [21:26] which reminds me [21:26] I've weighed my bags but forgot to include the frozen rye bread [21:37] weighed for what [21:56] I now have two nice hostnames : macigpixies and naughtyelves - now to think-up three more [21:57] (for my pi) [21:57] angrygnomes [21:57] good one [21:57] curiouselementals [21:58] * diddledan needs to write these down [21:58] nervoussylphs [22:02] brian. [22:02] lol, musn't forget brian [22:03] I miss brian. and fishtank. they deserve memorials [22:04] mapps: travel [22:06] what's a good app to record from webcam? [22:06] directhex: google hangouts [22:06] :-p [22:09] diddledan: vlc? [22:09] sorry directhex ^ [22:10] or just a plain gstreamer pipeline :D [22:10] there's far too many of us with names beginning with D in here that talk regularly [22:13] kamoso seems to work [22:14] UGH [22:14] RAINING again [22:21] bigcalm: sorry got taken away for a bit, are you all set? [22:22] ugh i keep using americanisms! [22:22] ya i gave him the link [22:22] ;) [22:22] ditto [22:22] :-p [22:24] vewy gewd [22:25] i see there's a Be user crawling along [22:26] very slowly by the looks [22:26] perhaps they're still on adsl [22:27] D: [22:34] * popey rsyncs it to home for more seeding fun [22:34] :D [22:35] I've got it at home and in a datacentre in nottingham(?) [22:35] I think it's nottingham, anywho [22:35] i hear life isn't to great up there [22:36] I'm proud to be a southerner :-p [22:38] you're northern to me ;) [22:38] in basingsokt?E [22:38] aah [22:38] yes [22:38] I see [22:38] ignore idiot me [22:38] ;) [22:38] boom, home machine online [22:39] who is this slow person I'm sending 6K/s to? [22:39] no idea [22:39] I'm doing the same though [22:40] high-highs of 12-14 here [22:40] wow, just hit 40 here [22:40] XD [22:40] for an instant [22:40] 86? [22:41] it does seem somewhat odd === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:59] Windows Movie Maker /o\ [23:01] XD [23:08] lol [23:09] >.< [23:09] reminds me, seems the ethiopian alphabet has some high potential for emotes ;) ጵ [23:10] haha [23:20] * bigcalm returns [23:20] null [23:23] XD [23:24] Goodness, getting activity on the torrent [23:24] Was it leaked? [23:27] not much traffic here [23:27] 3.2KB on one, 5.3K on the other [23:27] No traffic here, but a leecher at 24% appears to be connected [23:29] A bethere.co.uk user [23:41] :D [23:42] and suddenly trafic [23:42] directhex: posted to reddit? [23:43] popey, yes [23:43] D: [23:43] in a few subrettits - games, linux_gaming, steam, steamos [23:43] Only 1 user her [23:43] e [23:44] Can we talk about the name now then? [23:44] yes! [23:44] embargo ended! [23:44] it's kettle! [23:44] \o/ [23:44] It's an odd name [23:44] i made it up [23:44] :D [23:45] freddibnah woulda been better :-p [23:45] I jest [23:45] XD [23:45] nobody connected to me other than the bethere leacher [23:45] my dad used to love watching his progs [23:45] so did I [23:45] he was awesome [23:46] he/she is nearly done finally [23:46] transmission doesn't do rdns [23:46] 300K/s here [23:46] the name is inspired [23:46] Why 93? [23:47] bigcalm, steamos now has an "update level" - when a set of new packages are pushed to the steamos repo, the steamos-updatelevel package is updated with it. so "features X are in updatelevel Y" [23:47] 93plus1 is the SR based on updatelevel 93 [23:47] Ah, okay :) [23:49] Sleep time now [23:49] Toodles [23:49] I need 3xSDHC cards [23:49] Hope it's a hit :) [23:49] then I can have all 7 RPi's running :-p [23:51] one of my Pi's is an onion router node and another is an NTPd running on a GPS-based clock. the other 5 are going to be for funtimes [23:52] i.e. I don't know yet [23:59] I've got a bulgarian now [23:59] 41% done