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[17:32] <phillw> Hi folks, why does this occur ?
[17:32] <phillw> ali@amjjawad:~/src$ sudo apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[17:32] <phillw> Reading package lists... Done
[17:32] <phillw> Building dependency tree       
[17:32] <phillw> Reading state information... Done
[17:32] <phillw> Picking 'linux-upstream' as source package instead of 'linux-image-3.13.5'
[17:32] <phillw> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-upstream
[17:46] <infinity> phillw: Because there is no source package corresponding to the kernel you're running?
[17:47] <infinity> phillw: If "uname -r" is reporting 3.13.5, that's not an Ubuntu kernel, I'm not sure how you expect apt to magically find the source to a kernel it didn't install.
[17:47] <phillw> infinity: I tried ali@amjjawad:~/src$ sudo apt-get source linux-image-linux 3.13.0-18.38
[17:47] <phillw> Reading package lists... Done
[17:47] <phillw> Building dependency tree       
[17:47] <phillw> Reading state information... Done
[17:47] <phillw> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-image-linux
[17:47] <phillw> ]
[17:48] <infinity> Pretty sure you can figure out what's wrong with your second example without my help.
[17:48] <phillw> which is what I need, but the VM is a server install and not a DE. This has bitten me on the bum before :)
[17:49] <phillw> infinity: I'm taking the easy(ish) route of installing DE lubuntu and then using terminal access to it do work.... Does that sound logical?
[17:50] <infinity> phillw: Pretty sure this is entirely the wrong channel to ask for basic apt-get and packaging help.
[17:50] <infinity> And what terminal you use is completely irrelevant.
[17:51] <phillw> infinity: the server kernel is 
[17:51] <phillw>  uname -a
[17:51] <phillw> Linux amjjawad 3.13.5 #1 SMP Wed Mar 5 23:17:34 GMT 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:51] <phillw> ali@amjjawad:~/src$ 
[17:51] <phillw> which is not the -18 release
[17:52] <phillw> the server kernel seems totally out of step with the DE one. 
[17:57] <infinity> phillw: Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but if you can't sort out the basics of which kernel a computer is running, and how to make "apt-get source" go, do you really think you're the best man to maintain a fork of the Ubuntu kernel for 5 years?
[17:59] <phillw> infinity: I've been a tester for 5 years... if ubuntu cannot keep their kernels in sync during testing, how do you expect anyone to actually commit the time to for a kernel for 6 years, when you've already been tild it is not an lts kernel?
[18:00] <infinity> Did any of that sentence make sense?
[18:01] <infinity> We keep our kernels in sync, but we don't magically keep them in sync with what you have installed.  The archive marches forward.
[18:01] <infinity> As for "not an lts kernel", pretty sure our support commitment for 5 years tells a different story.
[18:02] <phillw> ubuntu kernel team are on their own with 3.13 
[18:03] <infinity> They know.
[18:04] <phillw> indeed,, and I can build .deb from it. What seems to be the issue is that I offered to make the non-pae kernel available to others and would update it within about 48 hours. The best way to do that was to make it available by PPA. It looks less and less likely that I will get the help to make that happen.
[18:05] <phillw> the simple fact that server kernel is <> to desktop kernel is already a major snag.
[18:06] <phillw> I've dedicated a VM and ipV4 as a build machine... seems little help coming back :(
[18:07] <phillw> * end rant*
[18:07] <infinity> phillw: The kernel *running* on the build host has no bearing on the kernel you're BUILDING.
[18:08] <phillw> infinity: it does if you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel :P
[18:08] <phillw> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[18:09] <JanC> that's for rebuilding the current kernel with different options, I guess
[18:09] <infinity> phillw: That wiki page assumes a little bit of intelligence, and the ability to rewrite "linux-image-(uname -r)" as "linux-image-[TheOneIReallyWant]"
[18:09] <JanC> you want the latest available kernel
[18:09] <infinity> phillw: If all you're doing is blindly following instructions, I don't think anyone should ever run the output of your kernel builds.
[18:10] <phillw> infinity: and I tried 3.13.0-18-generic
[18:10] <infinity> phillw: Furthermore, there's more to making a *different* kernel flavour than just grabbing the source and recompiling.
[18:12] <phillw> indeed there is. but build the kernel I can do for non-pae.... It was not originally planned for me to offer a non-pae kernel for other teams that deal with old computers, but I seem to have been roped into it.
[18:12] <infinity> So, get unroped.
[18:13] <infinity> Who "roped" you into it?  The only person I've seen talking about you doing this is you.
[18:13] <phillw> I was not on the tech-board when they dropped non-pae
[18:17] <phillw> lubuntu support older machines. I'll just stay with keeping an non-pae kernel for other teams... Arguing and fighting sucked all my energey out the las time... No wonder bodhi-zazen left and moved to ferdora... you are too busy to help - no new people being encouraged.. hence the end of ubuntu beginners team... No apprentices? ... it will die.
[18:19] <infinity> phillw: This is the ubuntu-kernel channel, not the ubuntu-beginners channel.  Just saying.
[18:21] <phillw> infinity: there is no ubuntu-beginners channel.. there is also NO way for people to be mentored and learn. This will mean that ubuntu will die of old age as there is no system in place to bring 'new blood' in... Not my call, just a major mess up. 
[18:28] <phillw> I beg, nag people I knew for assistance and document up everything that they tell me. you complain as to the instructions I was given by the founder of ubuntu-beginners-team who is now fedora person. He provided me with instructions the make .deb files for a non-pae kernel. what he does not have time for is get a decent set of instructions to add the source to make the files when you are telling to ignore http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-
[18:28] <infinity> phillw: I've mentored a lot of people, but I also expect a base level of reading comprehension and problem solving skills.  If you copy and paste EVERY ERROR MESSAGE YOU SEE and expect someone else to solve it for you, you're not cut out for this.
[18:30] <phillw> infinity: the error message was 'are you in source area'... I've asked what extra do I need? ... with no dis-respect, I have looked up and offered up what I thought would be correct... 
[18:31] <phillw> if my checking is not suffifient... c'est la vie. I've done the research I can do.... 
[18:35] <JanC> phillw: you got a typo in your attempt to get the latest Ubuntu kernel, and infinity is saying you should be able to see that from the error message yourself
[18:35] <JanC> eh
[20:50] <stag019> apw: new comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1295032
[20:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295032 in linux (Ubuntu) "3840x2160 fails with 30Hz with HDMI" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:29] <apw> stag019, nope, i just checked that that kernel has the commit you indicated fixed the issue applied
[21:30] <stag019> that's odd, could i have done anything wrong on my part?
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[21:51] <apw> stag019, well it just means that the fix indicated is not sufficient to fix the issue on its own and we have no information as to what else is needed