[01:00] <xubuntu374> New to xubuntu ... On my laptop... Just need a pointer to how I troubleshoot no sound thru hdmi....
[01:02] <vasanth> hi
[01:04] <Unit193> xubuntu374: I've done zero with HDMI out, but might be able to get it from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#HDMI_output_configuration
[01:06] <xubuntu374> Tks unit193, looks like a good place to start
[03:23] <delt> hello
[03:24] <cfhowlett> delt, greetings
[03:24] <delt> maybe a stupid question, but how do i set the cpu speed on my laptop to always be at maximum?
[03:24] <delt> hello cfhowlett
[03:24] <cfhowlett> delt, what's your xubuntu question
[03:25] <delt> cfhowlett: in xubuntu/ubuntu studio, where's the setting for cpu throttle?
[03:25] <cfhowlett> delt, I don't know - never used it.
[03:25] <delt> either with a graphic tool or commandline/config editing
[03:25] <delt> the "settings manager" so far isn't being much help.
[03:26] <delt> unless i'm missing something obvious
[03:26] <cfhowlett> delt, looks like it might be cpu-freq or the jupiter power applet
[03:27] <delt> CPU running at 800.000 800.000MHz, governor mode ondemand
[03:27] <delt> thanks for the info, let's see if this has a manpage....
[03:27] <cfhowlett> Throttling occurs when the CPU governor is set to Ondemand or Conservative. Set it to Performance or Powersave within Linux to disable throttling. Or disable Speed Step in your computer's BIOS to run at full speed the whole time.
[03:28] <delt> asking on #linux...
[03:28] <delt> and dr.google =)
[03:36] <holstein> delt: i have shortcuts on my ubuntustudio desktop to set the govenor to performance, as cfhowlett suggests
[03:38] <delt> "apt-cache search jupiter" doesn't show anything useful....
[03:38] <delt> btw hello holstein
[03:38] <holstein> delt: i dont think jupiter was ever in the repos
[03:39] <holstein> jupiter is something else.. its not only for setting the cpu freq..
[03:39] <holstein> what i do looks a lot like this.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/149271/how-to-change-default-scaling-governor-back-to-ondemand
[03:39] <holstein> it will depend on what you have, and what you are willing to install to manage the cpu freq like that
[03:39] <holstein> i suggest checking and seeing where it is now..
[03:41] <delt> hmm, interesting.. /etc/init.d/ondemand
[03:41] <delt> there's no /etc/init.d/performance though...maybe i could modify that one?
[03:42] <holstein> delt: as i said, it really depends on what youhave, and what you want..
[03:42] <holstein> delt: i would start by looking and seeing what its set at now.. could be you dont have scaling capabilities, and the machine is *already* at performance by default
[03:43] <delt> [pts/1][root@laptop]:~# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[03:43] <delt> performance
[03:43] <holstein> then, i would read what i linked above, which has a few different ways of addressing it
[03:43] <delt> i set it with cpufreq -g
[03:43] <delt> thanks for the link..reading....
[03:43] <holstein> delt: so, you dont have to bother about setting it to performance if its already at performance
[03:44] <holstein> i use a command line string like that to set my CPU for my production machine
[03:45] <delt> [pts/1][root@laptop]:~# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[03:45] <delt> 2801000
[03:45] <delt> (2.8GHz core2 duo)
[03:45] <delt> weird thing is, pianoteq keeps reporting lower freqs
[03:46] <holstein> so.. pianoteq shouldnt have root permission
[03:46] <delt> it doesn't
[03:46] <holstein> i would see if it is working at a resonable latency
[03:46] <delt> anyway i'll play some more and see if i still get hickups in the sound
[03:47] <delt> thanks for the help!
[03:47] <holstein> you should have realistic expectations
[03:47] <holstein> i typically try and run pianoteq at around 5ms latency
[03:47] <holstein> thats on a netbook.. without JACK running
[03:52] <xubuntu566> hi
[03:52] <xubuntu566> i am very new to xubuntu, pls if somebody to help me how to install adoble flash player
[03:52] <holstein> !flash
[03:53] <holstein> xubuntu566: or, you can use the chrome browser, which includes its own flash for linux
[03:54] <xubuntu566> thank you so much!!
[03:54] <xubuntu566> another question!? may i?
[03:54] <holstein> just ask, if a volunteer can help, they will
[03:55] <xubuntu566> brightness adjusting doesnt work..
[03:55] <holstein> it may not.. you can try other keyboard controls, not just the ones that are marked.. sometimes, they will bre in a different place
[03:56] <holstein> you can try different graphics drivers.. you can try other settings as well, but i suggest, just use it for a while, and choose your battles
[03:56] <holstein> when you buy a machine with windows, a team of folks at a company makes sure that the brightness controls and everything works
[03:56] <holstein> when you decide to run linux, you take that role on.. that burden or support.. i would just take it slow, and get used to things in order
[03:58] <cfhowlett> holstein, well said!
[03:59] <holstein> cfhowlett: cheers!
[03:59] <cfhowlett> :)
[04:01] <HoNgOuRu> hi, I want to know if it is important to create a "/boot" partition before installing xubuntu... I did one for "/home" and another one for "/"
[04:01] <cfhowlett> HoNgOuRu, not required ...
[04:01] <HoNgOuRu> cfhowlett, but it does the difference?
[04:02] <cfhowlett> HoNgOuRu, the /boot partition is automatically created/configured.  you need do nothing.
[04:02] <HoNgOuRu> ok
[04:02] <HoNgOuRu> and what about the "/" partition ?
[04:03] <cfhowlett> HoNgOuRu, you need to set "/"
[04:03] <HoNgOuRu> yes, I know
[04:03] <HoNgOuRu> but is it better in a different partition than home ?
[04:05] <cfhowlett> HoNgOuRu, "better"?   depends on your use and profile.  personally I set a /home as it makes upgrading easier
[04:06] <HoNgOuRu> ok, Ill do that
[04:06] <cfhowlett> !home
[04:07] <HoNgOuRu> ok
[04:11] <HoNgOuRu> cfhowlett, the "/" partition .... should be ext2 ext3 or ext4 ?
[04:11] <cfhowlett> HoNgOuRu, ext4 is the default
[04:11] <HoNgOuRu> ok
[04:11] <HoNgOuRu> I am doing it manual
[04:12] <HoNgOuRu> with gparted
[04:53] <awesome-o3000> hey guys just started a fresh install of xubuntu 13.10 and am having problems getting my sound working can anyone give a hand
[06:56] <startnix> Hello People!!
[06:58] <startnix> I am using xfce, but there is a problem, I cannot lock screen, when I click lock screen nothing happens, I did tried, shortcut key, that is Ctrl+L but didn't work tough!!
[07:04] <baizon> startnix: try by launching xscreensaver
[08:44] <Seib> Hi. Is there anyone who can help me figure out a problem?
[08:44] <cfhowlett> !ask|Seib,
[08:45] <Seib> Oh. I'm sorry. Okay.
[08:47] <baizon> np Seib
[08:47] <Seib> I'm running Xubuntu 12.04 on my HP Chromebook 11. My battery died and I didn't realize it was low, so my computer shut off automatically. But when I turned it back on after plugging the charger into it, the "OS Verification Is Off" screen came on and I clicked ctrl D like I was supposed to, but the Xubuntu login screen never came up! Instead, it just went straight on to the ChromeOS login screen... D:
[08:48] <Seib> I even logged in thinking it was normal, but when I tried doing the ctrl + alt + shift + f2 hotkey to switch, that didn't work either.
[08:48] <cfhowlett> Seib, I've no experience with chromebook.  ask in #ubuntu
[08:49] <Seib> Okay.
[08:49] <Seib> How do I get to that? :/
[08:49] <cfhowlett> in your irc client   /join #ubuntu
[08:50] <Seib> Okay. Thank you. See ya
[11:28] <zoidberg_> hi there
[13:07] <Morsicatio> Hello all
[13:07] <Morsicatio> Having an issue with Xubuntu 13.10: it freezes after login.
[13:07] <Morsicatio> The mouse pointer is active, but no icons, panels or anything else loads.
[13:08] <Morsicatio> I've read online that i need to type in commands: cd .cache rm -rf sessions
[13:08] <Morsicatio> I've tried this, but to no avail
[13:08] <Morsicatio> any advice?
[13:08] <Morsicatio> I am a complete noob and have no idea if i am typing them correctly
[13:08] <Morsicatio> Any help, much appreciated
[13:09] <DoomBoom> when did it start freezing after login?
[13:10] <Morsicatio> Well, I started using a command line hibernate function
[13:10] <Morsicatio> sudo pm-hibernate
[13:11] <Morsicatio> and I didn't much shut it down thereafter
[13:11] <Morsicatio> probably went about 20-days without shutdown
[13:11] <Morsicatio> shut it down today, and when I turned it back on, it hanged right after login
[13:12] <Morsicatio> it did once attempt to update, but said no internet connection was detected
[13:12] <DoomBoom> but you had an internet connection?
[13:13] <Morsicatio> I then tried connecting an ethernet cable, this time the update ran, no updates were found, I clicked okay, and then it went back to hanging at install screen
[13:13] <Morsicatio> well my wifi was on and functional
[13:13] <Morsicatio> and it worked with the ethernet cable
[13:13] <Morsicatio> no problems
[13:13] <DoomBoom> odd, I don't know much about this myself to be honest
[13:13] <DoomBoom> one more thing though
[13:14] <DoomBoom> did you type "cd .cache rm -rf sessions" on one line and exactly as that?
[13:14] <Morsicatio> no, sorry, i typed it on two individual lines
[13:14] <DoomBoom> then the sessions were probably deleted correctly...
[13:15] <Morsicatio> after cd .cache the line began: laptop name:~/.caches
[13:15] <Morsicatio> (after i pressed enter)
[13:16] <Morsicatio> then i entered the second line and pressed enter, and then it reverted to laptop name:~/.cache$
[13:16] <Morsicatio> after i pressed enter
[13:16] <Morsicatio> so no idea if it actually did anything
[13:17] <Morsicatio> after that, I pressed Ctrl+alt+F7 and logged out and back in again
[13:17] <DoomBoom> rm is silent so that should be what you'd see
[13:17] <Morsicatio> the same thing happened, logged in but no icons or panels loaded
[13:17] <Morsicatio> the mouse pointer moves, but that is about it
[13:18] <DoomBoom> you could always check if .cache/sessions is still there with something like `file .cache/sessions`
[13:19] <Morsicatio> I type in the following: file .cache/sessions
[13:19] <Morsicatio> ?
[13:19] <DoomBoom> yeah
[13:19] <Morsicatio> i'll give that a go now...
[13:20] <Morsicatio> I got the information from this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2187748
[13:20] <Morsicatio> there was another solution offered, but I could not login to tty2
[13:20] <Morsicatio> i dont know what that is or what that means
[13:20] <Morsicatio> the GuestAccount login I have, will not login after pressing Ctrl+alt+f2
[13:20] <HypothesisFrog> hi. My audio is screwed up.
[13:22] <Morsicatio> when i login, there are two options at top rhs
[13:22] <Morsicatio> xubuntu session or xfce session
[13:22] <HypothesisFrog> every time I try to run an audio file on media player, I get "GStreamer encountered a general stream error."
[13:22] <Morsicatio> i think i tend to use xfce
[13:22] <HypothesisFrog> that's on totem
[13:22] <HypothesisFrog> same thing on parole media player
[13:22] <HypothesisFrog> youtube sounds doesn't produce anything
[13:23] <Morsicatio> just plugged in file . cache/sessions and the result is:
[13:24] <Morsicatio> .cache/sessions: directory
[13:24] <Morsicatio> nxt line is: laptop name:~$
[13:24] <DoomBoom> that means it exists, though it might be that it was recreated after removing it
[13:24] <Morsicatio> should I attempt repeating the rm action?
[13:25] <DoomBoom> no harm in doing it I guess
[13:25] <DoomBoom> safest is to do the same with cd first and then rm, making a type in rm while in your home directory is dangerous
[13:26] <DoomBoom> I wonder why you can't log in to tty2 though
[13:26] <Morsicatio> right, just did that and confirmed it was not present with the file command
[13:26] <Morsicatio> it now says directory cannot be found
[13:26] <DoomBoom> yeah then it was removed correctly
[13:26] <Morsicatio> with tty2: I know what the guestlogin name is
[13:27] <Morsicatio> but it does not have a password
[13:27] <Morsicatio> when it asks for a password
[13:27] <Morsicatio> i just hit enter
[13:27] <Morsicatio> and then it says login failed
[13:27] <Morsicatio> is there maybe another way to indicate no apssword?
[13:28] <DoomBoom> how do you get in tty1?
[13:29] <Morsicatio> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[13:29] <Morsicatio> then it asks for a password
[13:29] <Morsicatio> I input the password but it says incorrect
[13:29] <Morsicatio> i then put in the username when it prompts and then the password
[13:29] <Morsicatio> and login for tty1 then succeeds
[13:30] <DoomBoom> can't you use the same login for tty2?
[13:30] <Morsicatio> ah, didn't realise that was possible
[13:30] <Morsicatio> thought tty2 meant the other login
[13:30] <Morsicatio> I'll try that now
[13:31] <Morsicatio> Okay, logged into tty2
[13:32] <DoomBoom> I wonder why paulprobert said to log in to tty2 though... I thought every tty was the same
[13:32] <DoomBoom> well you can do what he said, it'll remove all xfce configuration though
[13:32] <DoomBoom> and hopefully it fixes it
[13:32] <DoomBoom> another post says something about only deleting .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/display.xml
[13:33] <Morsicatio> shall i put the same commands through, or as advised in the previous noted link, try: rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf
[13:33] <Morsicatio> I don't mind that, I just want it to work!
[13:33] <Morsicatio> also, I usually use xubuntu session rather than xfce session
[13:33] <Morsicatio> whats the difference
[13:33] <DoomBoom> to be honest
[13:33] <Morsicatio> only found out there was an option today
[13:33] <DoomBoom> I have no idea
[13:34] <DoomBoom> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE
[13:34] <DoomBoom> maybe XFCE doesn't start the ubuntu stuff?
[13:34] <cfhowlett> Morsicatio, xfce is ubuntu with xfce overlay.  xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce integration
[13:34] <Morsicatio> okay, i'll try: rm file .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/display.xml
[13:34] <Morsicatio> right, thanks
[13:34] <Morsicatio> very confusingQ
[13:35] <Morsicatio> is that a valid command above?
[13:35] <DoomBoom> it is valid, I'd remove the file part though unless you want to remove a file called `file` as well
[13:35] <Morsicatio> ah right!
[13:37] <Morsicatio> it says no such file or directory exists
[13:37] <Morsicatio> are there any spaces in the command?
[13:37] <Morsicatio> i cant tell f there is a space between the .xml and display
[13:38] <Morsicatio> i've put it in as one long chain
[13:38] <DoomBoom> no spaces
[13:38] <DoomBoom> be sure you're in the right directory
[13:38] <Morsicatio> right...how do i do that?
[13:38] <DoomBoom> if you're in .config, you can do `rm xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/display.xml`
[13:39] <Morsicatio> sorry, but how do I get into .config
[13:39] <DoomBoom> oh, you're in ~?
[13:39] <DoomBoom> that should be the right directory for the earlier command
[13:39] <Morsicatio> the line reads:laptopname:~$
[13:40] <DoomBoom> yes, you're in ~
[13:40] <Morsicatio> right, so is that the correct directory?
[13:40] <Morsicatio> or do i need to change
[13:40] <DoomBoom> yes
[13:40] <Morsicatio> it is correct?
[13:40] <DoomBoom> interesting, I see I also don't have .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/display.xml
[13:42] <elfy> DoomBoom: afaik you'll only have display.xml with multiple monitors
[13:42] <Morsicatio> right, so perhaps I shall try the other suggestion of: rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf
[13:42] <DoomBoom> hm
[13:42] <Morsicatio> that I do not have
[13:43] <DoomBoom> yes, try removing that
[13:43] <Morsicatio> do i need to be in ~ directory to run that command?
[13:44] <DoomBoom> no, the added ~/ at the beginning makes it start at ~
[13:44] <Morsicatio> right!
[13:45] <Morsicatio> well I've run that command and pressed enter
[13:45] <Morsicatio> the next line reverts back to ~
[13:45] <Morsicatio> should I now attempt shutdown and login or logout and then login
[13:45] <Morsicatio> does it matter?
[13:45] <DoomBoom> that should be expected, rm doesn't say when you remove stuff
[13:46] <DoomBoom> logout and login should be enough, if it worked
[13:46] <Morsicatio> can i do that from here or do i press ctrl+alt+f7 and then logout
[13:46] <Morsicatio> ?
[13:47] <DoomBoom> ctrl+alt+f7 first if you want to log in the the GUI
[13:48] <Morsicatio> hmm..no luck
[13:48] <Morsicatio> I think I may just go for a fresh install
[13:48] <DoomBoom> daw
[13:49] <DoomBoom> that's always possible
[13:49] <Morsicatio> won't be great, but not a biggie either
[13:49] <DoomBoom> weird problem though
[13:49] <Morsicatio> most of my stuff is backed up
[13:49] <Morsicatio> yeah really odd
[13:49] <Morsicatio> It's something playing up with whatever is running the windows
[13:49] <Morsicatio> ah
[13:49] <DoomBoom> you can always back up more stuff from the command line if you've got a USB stick or external hard drive plugged in
[13:50] <Morsicatio> oh great
[13:50] <Morsicatio> how do I do that?
[13:50] <DoomBoom> hehe
[13:50] <Morsicatio> haha, what a noob question that is!
[13:50] <Morsicatio> major n00b
[13:50] <DoomBoom> depends on whether it automatically mounts it if you're not logged in to the GUI
[13:51] <Morsicatio> another bit of information i left out
[13:51] <DoomBoom> I'd consider myself a noob too actually, I hope I'm helping
[13:51] <Morsicatio> i last installed chromium and abunch of chromium apps and deleted terminal
[13:51] <DoomBoom> deleted terminal?
[13:51] <Morsicatio> i deleted it because it disaapeared from my apps list
[13:51] <Morsicatio> and i was trying to reinstall
[13:52] <Morsicatio> gnome terminal
[13:52] <DoomBoom> well that shouldn't be a problem
[13:52] <Morsicatio> ubuntu centre said it was installed, but I couldn't find it anywhere
[13:52] <Morsicatio> right, well, we tried!
[13:53] <Morsicatio> i've plugged in the usb and nothing has happened!
[13:53] <DoomBoom> you're in the tty?
[13:53] <Morsicatio> yep
[13:53] <Morsicatio> tty1
[13:54] <holstein> you could have a failing piece of hardware
[13:55] <holstein> reading the backlog, you are not able to login as your user? in the GUI?
[13:55] <Morsicatio> Well, it logs in
[13:55] <Morsicatio> but nothing loads up
[13:55] <Morsicatio> its a relatively new SSD
[13:56] <Morsicatio> in ana oldish laptop
[13:56] <Morsicatio> not sure that makes snese
[13:56] <Morsicatio> sense
[13:56] <Morsicatio> the GUI asks for the password
[13:56] <Morsicatio> I input this
[13:56] <Morsicatio> it accepts it, but the next screen is the desktop wallpaper and an active mouse cursor and that is it
[13:57] <Morsicatio> no icons or file manager or anything else
[13:57] <holstein> Morsicatio: i would make a new user in the terminal, and test.. this will remove your user config from the equation.. you can also remove or move the config from your users /home and test
[13:57] <Morsicatio> right, how may i go about this?
[13:57] <Morsicatio> I am in tty1 at the moment
[13:57] <Morsicatio> in ~$ directory
[13:58] <holstein> Morsicatio: the first option would look like this.. make a new user, login as that user.. see what the desktop is like as that user
[13:58] <holstein> there is an adduser command.. sudo adduser
[14:00] <DoomBoom> can't you add users in the GUI?
[14:00] <Morsicatio> room number?
[14:08] <holstein> Morsicatio: after trying elfy 's reload suggestion
[14:08] <Morsicatio> well, this is very odd
[14:09] <Morsicatio> i've just launched firefox after searching it after pressing alt+f2
[14:09] <Morsicatio> seems to be working
[14:09] <holstein> Morsicatio: in that box that appears, thats where you enter the text elfy suggested.. xfdesktop --reload
[14:09] <Morsicatio> elfy suggestion: where do i run that command, in tty1?
[14:09] <holstein> Morsicatio: sure.. no doubt parts of the system are working
[14:09] <holstein> Morsicatio: you run that command where elfy suggested,, and as i stated, *after* pressing alt-F2, you input it..
[14:09] <Morsicatio> because that is currently returning an error: xfdesktop is currently not installed
[14:09] <holstein> Morsicatio: i think you removed a lot of the system by accident
[14:09] <Morsicatio> It appears that way!
[14:10] <Morsicatio> sorry, I'm still not sure where I am pressing alt+f2
[14:10] <Morsicatio> in tty1
[14:10] <Morsicatio> ?
[14:10] <Morsicatio> and then run the command elfy has recommended?
[14:10] <holstein> Morsicatio: i would, as i said before, go to TTY, run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then, if that completes with no error, you run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[14:10] <holstein> Morsicatio: you dont run that in tty
[14:10] <Morsicatio> okay, i will give your suggestion a try now, sorry misunderstood it before
[14:10] <holstein> Morsicatio: tty will have no graphical components.. alt+f2 is *only* for in the gui, and running that suggested reload command
[14:11] <Morsicatio> a lot of stuff is currently updating....
[14:12] <Morsicatio> failed to find a launchpad file
[14:12] <holstein> Morsicatio: correct, that is an upgrade commmand to update the packages.. its not a "fix".. its a means to do only that.. update your system
[14:12] <holstein> Morsicatio: then, you could have ppa's added that are breaking your system
[14:12] <Morsicatio> and also some index files failed download apparently
[14:12] <Morsicatio> i did try to add ppas the other day!
[14:13] <Morsicatio> i was trying to download something i cannot recall
[14:13] <holstein> Morsicatio: those can break what you are saying is broken
[14:13] <Morsicatio> i didnt know what i was doing, reallly
[14:13] <holstein> Morsicatio: i would work in tty, and purge those
[14:13] <Morsicatio> right
[14:13] <Morsicatio> the jigsaw is beginning to fix
[14:13] <Morsicatio> oh right yes
[14:13] <Morsicatio> i was trying to install handbrake
[14:13] <Doge_Ram> whenever I try to upgrade I have a lot of issues. Should I just install a copy in the first place
[14:14] <holstein> Doge_Ram: upgrade what? the system? what issues?
[14:14] <Doge_Ram> I try to go for 12.04 to 13.10 through the terminal.
[14:14] <holstein> Morsicatio: http://askubuntu.com/questions/173195/how-do-i-remove-a-ppa-added-via-command-line
[14:15] <holstein> Doge_Ram: you dont do that.. you go 12.04 to 12.10 to 13.04 to 13.10
[14:15] <cfhowlett> Doge_Ram, ^^^ that
[14:15] <elfy> holstein: did they deal with the upgrading to 13.04 it being EOL
[14:15]  * elfy lost the thread on that 
[14:15] <holstein> Doge_Ram: any upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10 is unsupported, and likely to fail. i suggest a fresh install if you have tried to force that unsupported action
[14:16] <Doge_Ram> ok thank you I will do that
[14:16] <holstein> Doge_Ram: unless elfy has some magic for you.. i would wait and follow whatever elfy has, and know that a fresh install is likely the easiest "fix"
[14:16] <elfy> holstein: I don't ;)
[14:16] <holstein> :/
[14:17] <holstein> Doge_Ram: you can go right from 12.04 to 14.04
[14:17] <Doge_Ram> What do I need to do?
[14:17] <holstein> Doge_Ram: assuming things are still intact you may want to either wait, or go ahead and force that
[14:17] <Morsicatio> i am currently installing the desktop
[14:17] <Morsicatio> I shall attempt the advice offered in the link thereafter
[14:17] <elfy> holstein: I was hesitating to suggest 14.04 - but it is pretty much stable now imo
[14:18] <elfy> Doge_Ram: if you wanted to upgrade to 1404 then you can either grab the latest daily image and do it that way or via cli
[14:18] <Slayers> i think 13.12 would be best for his cards
[14:18] <Slayers> since i got same cards as him
[14:18] <holstein> Slayers: 13.10?
[14:18] <Morsicatio> i thought 13.10 was the latest for xubuntu?
[14:19] <Slayers> CCC?
[14:19] <cfhowlett> Morsicatio, 13.10 is the latest for ALL buntus...
[14:19] <elfy> Morsicatio: it is - holstein and I are talking about the unreleased version
[14:19] <holstein> 14.04 is released next month.. and an upgrade is offered from 12.04 to 14.04
[14:19] <Slayers> i got linux CCC 13.12
[14:19] <Morsicatio> i see
[14:19] <Morsicatio> well, that'll be good
[14:19] <Morsicatio> will it bring the hibernate function to xubuntu?
[14:20] <holstein> Morsicatio: it depends on what all is "broken" in your system as to what i suggest
[14:20] <elfy> Morsicatio: hibernate is off by default
[14:20] <holstein> Morsicatio: i have had hibernate.. you can add it to whatever you like, though, its likely the ssd setup you have that is "breaking" that for you
[14:21] <Doge_Ram> so what do I need to do to put 14.04 on my machine through putty. What is the command?
[14:21] <holstein> Doge_Ram: i would either wait a few weeks til its stable, or, you can find guide on how to do that unsupported activity online
[14:22] <holstein> !14.04
[14:22] <Morsicatio> right!
[14:22] <Doge_Ram> If I decide to go with 13.12 instead I need to install a copy from scratch?
[14:22] <holstein> Doge_Ram: 13.10*
[14:23] <Doge_Ram> 13.10
[14:23] <elfy> Doge_Ram: yes you would
[14:23] <holstein> Doge_Ram: at this point, that would be the easiest, and arguably the only supported method from 12.04 to 13.10
[14:23] <elfy> Doge_Ram: if you want to go the unsupported in #xubuntu route then http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57248/testcases/1635/results
[14:24] <holstein> a fresh install of 13.10 takes me about 8 minutes.. an upgrade takes  hours.. and you would need to do 3 to get from 12.04 to 13.10.. and 13.10 is over halfway through its support cycle
[14:25] <Doge_Ram> I have tried to do it unsupported and had lots of issues. I may just put 13.10 on my thumbdrive and go for it
[14:25] <holstein> i would rather, if i were on 12.04, and i am, just run 12.04 til i fresh install 14.40
[14:25] <holstein> 14.04*
[14:25] <elfy> holstein: agreed - and if I was in that position I would likely clean install 13.10 too
[14:27] <Doge_Ram> I am trying to get my mining computer to hash where it should be. I am thinking it is either Xubuntu or cgminer that is causing the slowdown
[14:28] <cfhowlett> Doge_Ram, xubuntu is a low load OS - unlikely it is causing a lag.
[14:29] <holstein> Doge_Ram: i would look for a mining specific channel.. though, the drivers are typically as well supported as they can be in any version
[14:29] <holstein> there are the ppa's that steam suggests users use for the most current drivers
[14:29] <holstein> !steam
[14:30] <holstein> i believe the PPA is https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa ,though ppas are unsupported
[14:32] <Morsicatio> well, i've deleted the ppa ( i think thats what it was, a software source from unknown) and googles software source
[14:32] <holstein> Morsicatio: you need to purge it, to remove the packages it provides... as per the link i gave
[14:33] <holstein> Morsicatio: dont "think".. look at the sources, and research why they are there.. ppas are not officially supported, but you may need them.. and they do add functionality
[14:33] <Morsicatio> there are two suggestions in that link
[14:33] <Morsicatio> right, okay, will look into PPAs
[14:34] <Morsicatio> i should know what they are, I suppose
[14:34] <Morsicatio> there is a terminal command to sudo apt-get ppa-purge
[14:34] <holstein> apt-get install it.. yes
[14:34] <Morsicatio> and also another suggestion: sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa
[14:34] <holstein> Morsicatio: not quite
[14:34] <Morsicatio> okay, will do that now
[14:37] <Morsicatio> well, ive done all the above, and manged to launch thunar so I can backup all my files
[14:37] <Morsicatio> which is great
[14:38] <Morsicatio> the desktop windows are still not loading, so i shall just attempt a clean install
[14:38] <Morsicatio> but thank you very much for your help
[14:38] <Morsicatio> you have been very helpful, much appreciated
[14:38] <holstein> i would be backing up files with a live CD
[14:39] <Morsicatio> ah, there's an idea!
[14:39] <Morsicatio> but will give me a chance for a clean break
[14:39] <holstein> sounds like a plan.. cheers!
[14:39] <Morsicatio> would you recommend any alternatives to try
[14:40] <Morsicatio> beginner based linux distros like xubuntu
[14:40] <Morsicatio> or just stick with xubuntu?
[14:41] <elfy> I'd stick with one for the moment - then look once you know more about what you're doing :)
[14:41] <elfy> if you've got sufficient ram - look into using vm's to distro surf
[17:27] <xubuntu674> HI
[17:27] <xubuntu674> I have a problem!
[17:28] <xubuntu674> ????
[17:28] <holstein> xubuntu674: just ask, with details, and a volunteer may be able to help.. feel free and review the /topic
[17:29] <bullgard4> xubuntu674: Just state your xfce problem. Yoiu do not introduce yurself.
[17:29] <bullgard4> +o
[17:30] <xubuntu674> Ok, i try to explain the problem, basically i have a pop up on the right/up side of the desktop with the icon of brightness that continue to turn down the brghtness and i'm unable to turn on that
[17:31] <holstein> xubuntu674: you are unable to control the brightness?
[17:32] <stevef> Is there any information about a possible "touch" version of xubuntu?
[17:32] <holstein> !touch
[17:33] <stevef> Will it only be for phones and tablets?
[17:33] <holstein> stevef: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. nothing about xfce or xubuntu will prevent, nor necessarily facilitate supporting your hardware
[17:33] <xubuntu674> yes the pop up still appear also now, and i'm not touching anything, it's like it try to turn down the brightness ever and ever
[17:33] <holstein> stevef: the touch OS is intended for that.. if you are asking "can i use a touch screen with xubuntu?".. yes
[17:33] <holstein> xubuntu674: i would just kill the notifications, and let them respawn..
[17:34] <holstein> xubuntu674: have you tried looking for and applying all upgrades?
[17:34] <stevef> So if touch extensions were created for Xbuntu they would just become another aspect of system control?
[17:34] <holstein> stevef: no
[17:34] <holstein> stevef: there is no need for "touch extentions"
[17:34] <holstein> stevef: you load the OS, and use the touch screen
[17:35] <stevef> OK. I have an Acer Aspire V5 that I purchased for its touch capability. Are you saying that I can use it as is?
[17:35] <holstein> stevef: im saying, nothing about xubuntu is preventing that.. if your touchscreen supports linux, it will work "out of the box"
[17:36] <stevef> Sweet! Thank you! I'm going to check it out right now.
[17:36] <holstein> stevef: usually, i suggest folks load up a live CD and just see first hand what is working
[17:38] <stevef> Wow! It does work! I didn't expect it to work so I didn't try to use it. Fascinating!
[17:39] <holstein> usually things like that just work out of the box in linux, if they are able to be supported.. if they dont just work, then its typically quite challenging
[17:40] <stevef> Yes. I am aware of that. I've been using Linux/Xubuntu for a very long time, but I'm not a programmer (yet, age 60). I have been using Linux in one form or another since about 1998 and I love it.
[17:42] <stevef> Thank you, Holstein.
[17:45] <davidullo> Hi i'm the one who have the problem of brightness
[17:46] <davidullo> Is anyone there=
[17:46] <davidullo> ooo
[17:46] <cfhowlett> davidullo, assume no one knows what you're talking about and state the issue
[17:47] <davidullo> what?
[17:47] <davidullo> anyway
[17:47] <davidullo> i have a problem whit the brightness
[17:48] <davidullo> and it is told me that i have to install all the upgrades
[17:48] <davidullo> but after i installed them
[17:48] <cfhowlett> !enter
[17:48] <davidullo> the problem continue
[17:48] <cfhowlett> !return
[17:49] <davidullo> anyone answer me?
[17:50] <cfhowlett> !patience
[17:52] <davidullo> Ok, i have an icon on the right/up side of the desktop that continue to vibrate and continue to turn up and down (more down) the brightness and it doesnt disappear, what i have to do?
[17:55] <davidullo> heyyyy
[17:55] <cfhowlett> !patience|davidullo,
[17:56] <cfhowlett> read ^^^
[17:57] <davidullo> are you a bot?
[17:57] <cfhowlett> ubottu is the bot
[17:58] <davidullo> ok so answer my question! :(
[17:59] <cfhowlett> rude.  doesn't work on me.
[19:25] <js_doode> running xubuntu 12.04.4 LTS, best way to install google chrome, latest stable version?
[21:05] <UndercooL> hey guys
[21:06] <UndercooL> recently installed 12.04 32-bit version on an old laptop and have been running it a few weeks.  Not too many problems and learning a lot
[21:06] <UndercooL> need 12.04 because I have a non-pae CPU
[21:08] <UndercooL> long story short, I started playing under the hood and jacked up the installation.  Doing a fresh reinstall and can't remember how to fix intel i915 video and BCM4318 wireless card
[21:08] <UndercooL> can't find the urls I used to setup originally.  Any help?
[21:13] <UndercooL> anyone?
[21:13] <GridCube> !bmc
[21:13] <GridCube> mmm
[21:14] <GridCube> !find bmc
[21:14] <GridCube> !search bmc
[21:14] <GridCube> mmm no idea
[21:14] <GridCube> XD
[21:15] <UndercooL> at least you answered.  Thanks anyway
[22:22] <a_muva__> I get approx. 24px x 24px square at the left-top corner , right below  panel. It seems that it shows only when composite is on. How can I fix it?
[22:35] <L0laapk3> hi
[22:36] <L0laapk3> anyone into mining?
[22:36] <bekks> Why?
[22:36] <L0laapk3> because I'm a linux noob
[23:46] <HoNgOuRu> MBR!
[23:46] <HoNgOuRu> !mbr
[23:46] <HoNgOuRu> !grub