[04:06] <facetoe> Hello, I changed my window manager to awesomewm and it works great. The only problem is when I log in I get the message "Failed to connect to X server", however when I type "startx" it starts up fine. Any idea how I can fix this annoying error?
[04:10] <wxl> facetoe: /var/log/Xorg.0.log provide any hints? grep it for egrep "(\(EE\)|\(WW\))" for a start
[04:14] <facetoe> wxl, There are a few errors in there, this is what I found - https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9718668
[04:15] <wxl> nothing particular shocking from what i can tell
[04:17] <wxl> my guess too is that given you can get to lightdm, it's probably not an X issue
[04:17] <wxl> maybe a lightdm issue
[04:18] <facetoe> I'm using awesomewm as the window manager, could it be a problem with launching awesomewm?
[04:19] <wxl> maybe
[04:19] <facetoe> I don't mind typing startx when I login, is there a way to prevent it from attempting to start the window manager on boot?
[04:19] <facetoe> when I type startx it works fine
[04:19] <facetoe> which is weird
[04:19] <wxl> well sure
[04:19] <wxl> but i'm investigating further
[04:21] <facetoe> I tried setting "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"" in the grub file as I read that might do it but it had no effect.
[04:21] <wxl> how did you install awesome?
[04:24] <facetoe> It was quite a while ago and I can't remember. I'm pretty sure I just installed it with apt then edited various config files. For example in my .xinitrc I have "exec awesome".
[04:26] <wxl> yeah well .xinitrcs are pretty weird in the ubuntu world
[04:28] <facetoe> Ahh ok, I might have a hunt around and see if I can find a better way to launch awesomewm. Thanks for your help!
[04:28] <wxl> i'm looking!
[04:29] <wxl> if you get rid of .xinitrc, does it behave correctly, facetoe
[04:29] <wxl> ?
[04:29] <wxl> prolly just boots to openbox but still
[04:29] <facetoe> I'll give it a go, one sec
[04:38] <facetoe> Well, it just booted into a blank screen. Then a popup came up saying there was software to be updated but I had no mouse to select anything! Not sure what happened there... but it seems the .xinitrc is doing something important!
[04:39] <wxl> it would be interesting to know what else you've changed
[04:40] <facetoe> I wish I had tried to solve this when I installed it... Learned a lesson there!
[04:40] <wxl> indeed
[04:41] <wxl> do you have an Xorg.conf?
[04:43] <facetoe> I have a few backup ones but it doesn't look like I am using one at the moment
[04:43] <wxl> that's a good sign :)
[04:44] <facetoe> Ahh good!
[04:44] <wxl> do you have an awesomewm.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions?
[04:46] <facetoe> Yep, it is the only file in that directory. Here is its contents - https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9718961
[04:47] <wxl> yikes
[04:47] <wxl> all your default sessions are gone
[04:48] <wxl> that's why you get the blank screen with the default session there is none :)
[04:48] <facetoe> Oops... I have a Lubuntu installation in a VM, should I copy the defaults over from there?
[04:48] <wxl> if you want the original, probably
[04:49] <wxl> the Exec on Lubuntu.desktop is /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[04:50] <wxl> oh i think we're onto something
[04:50] <facetoe> Ahhh... maybe it needs the full path?
[04:50] <wxl> nope
[04:50] <wxl> but it may need lxsession
[04:50] <facetoe> ahh ok
[04:51] <wxl> do you have an awesome folder in /etc/xdg/lxsession
[04:51] <facetoe> nope
[04:51] <wxl> anything in there?
[04:52] <facetoe> There are two directoryies, images and ui. Images has some boot, restart type icons and contains lxpolkit.ui and lxsession-default-apps.ui
[04:53] <wxl> weird
[04:53] <facetoe> ui contains lxpolkit.ui and lxsession-default-apps.ui
[04:54] <wxl> cuz in /etc/xdg/lxsession/{some session}/desktop.conf the window manager is specified
[04:58] <facetoe> Maybe I could copy the desktop.conf entry into a folder in lxsession and edit it a little?
[04:59] <wxl> possibly
[04:59] <wxl> but your install sounds really funky
[04:59] <facetoe> Yea I have no idea what I did. I may have created a monster!
[05:00] <wxl> yeah you should keep track of what you change
[05:00] <wxl> especially if you follow advice you don't totally understand XD
[05:00] <facetoe> I think I pieced it together from various posts and tutorials and that's why it is so random
[05:01] <wxl> yeah that's a bad scene
[05:01] <wxl> i mean feel free to try things but if they don't work you have to know how to completely reverse them AND you should really know what it is that you're doing
[05:02] <facetoe> Lesson learned... I think I might try stuff like this out in a VM first next time
[05:02] <facetoe> Then if I get it working put it on my real machine
[05:03] <wxl> changing the default window manager might help
[05:04] <wxl> facetoe: what's /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager point to?
[05:05] <facetoe> it points to /usr/bin/awesome
[05:06] <wxl> well that
[05:06] <wxl> s good at least
[05:07] <wxl> oh maybe i'll try installing it
[05:08] <facetoe> Ok cool
[05:09] <wxl> brb
[05:09] <facetoe> Ok no worries, thanks for your patience!
[05:11] <wxl> well it didn't make a session
[05:13] <wxl> does awesome have a conf file somewhere?
[05:14] <facetoe> Yes mine is in ~/.config/awesome
[05:15] <wxl> /etc/xdg/awesome/rc/lua
[05:15] <wxl> i was looking for systemwide
[05:16] <facetoe> Ahh ok
[05:32] <wxl> well that didn't work well
[05:33] <facetoe> Oh no! What happened?
[05:33] <wxl> nothing i couldn't put back :)
[05:34] <wxl> just couldn't get it to start by hacking at the configurations in /etc/xdg/lxsesion
[05:34] <facetoe> IT doesn't seem to want to install easily...
[05:36] <wxl> doesn't seem so
[05:37] <facetoe> I saw a post on askUbuntu for making another window manager the default, it recommended using dpkg -reconfigure <wmanager>. Not sure what that does though so I didn;'t try it
[05:39] <wxl> it just runs through the configuration settings that happen when you install the package
[05:40]  * ianorlin hasn't done anything with changing window managers
[05:40] <wxl> not the world's greatest idea really
[05:40] <wxl> ianorlin: me either, sadly. trying to learn but at least with awesome it's not easy
[05:40] <facetoe> Yea I figured it could go badly
[05:42] <wxl> well i'm pooped
[05:42] <wxl> night kids
[05:42] <wxl> good luck facetoe
[05:42] <wxl> might want to try backing up ~ and do a reinstall
[05:43] <facetoe> No worries, thanks for working through it with me!
[06:52] <FuuqUmiist> when i play a video file i can hear the audio but the video cannot be seen, what could be the problem?
[06:58] <ianorlin> what are you using to play it?
[06:58] <ianorlin> mplayer?
[06:59] <s991533> Hello~
[06:59] <ianorlin> hi
[06:59] <s991533> I want to set up a mirror for lubuntu, does anyone knows how large is it?
[07:00] <ianorlin> the iso or all the repos?
[07:00] <s991533> because I found there is no mirror in my country, only a outdated mirror of ubuntu-image
[07:00] <s991533> the iso
[07:00] <s991533> the repos is the same with ubuntu, tight?
[07:00] <ianorlin> the iso is aroudn 700 mb but there are many
[07:00] <s991533> s/tight/right/g
[07:00] <FuuqUmiist> yeah mplayer
[07:01] <s991533> yep
[07:01] <s991533> so I want to know the total size@@
[07:01] <ianorlin> repos are same with ubuntu
[07:01] <ianorlin> ubuntu repos are really big
[07:01] <s991533> there are already many ubuntu repo mirror enough
[07:01] <s991533> I just wanna set up a lubuntu iso mirror :)
[07:02] <s991533> but seems there is no info about mirror / rsync on the lubuntu website@@
[07:02] <ianorlin> phillw you around you have more expirence on this than me
[07:04] <s991533> sorry, I don't really understand, can you explain in another way@@?
[07:04] <s991533> ((my english skill is pool ...
[07:04] <ianorlin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[07:07] <s991533> thanks, I've read that, but seems that's not what I need
[07:07] <s991533> there is only info about repo and iso for 'Ubuntu'
[07:07] <s991533> ex : http://tw.releases.ubuntu.com/
[07:07] <s991533> We are happy to provide hosting for the following projects via the cdimage server. While they are not commercially supported by Canonical, they receive full support from their communities.
[07:08] <s991533> meens the mirrors dont serve Lubtuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu
[07:08] <s991533> and I'm sure I do not have enough space to serve all of them
[09:18] <phillw> s991533: have a look at http://phillw.net/isos/ and see if you want to host the lubuntu ISO's. By far the easiest way is to have them and be a seed for torrent downloads.
[09:19] <s991533> phillw: thanks!
[09:19] <s991533> I will take a look at it later
[09:33] <walleye> ran into a lot of gotchas installing lamp server in lubuntu 13.10
[09:34] <walleye> anyone have a more smoother installation lot of net tutorials are outdated. Thanks
[09:40] <phillw> walleye: you could always use mine :)
[09:42] <phillw> I did hold a ubuntu classroom session on this, the records will be somewhere... byt this link is where I got things prepped up for it and had discussion with people after the classroom session. http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119
[09:43] <walleye> phillw sure what lubuntu you running
[09:43] <phillw> and, you are correct... there is load of incorrect stuff out on the net!... tasksel will always be your friend :)
[09:44] <phillw> I'm on 14.04 aqt present... tasksel looks after what needs grabbing ever since 2007 :)
[09:44] <walleye> phillw  ok
[09:45] <phillw> it just is not in desktop anymore and needs adding. (not sure if it has got into 14.04 by default... the apt-get install command will tell you if it is already there).
[09:46] <walleye> I was following old tuts but nothing lubuntu-specific
[09:47] <phillw> walleye: tasksel will work for any of the *buntu family :)
[09:48] <phillw> it just so happened I did the classroom running lubuntu (coz I love it).
[09:48] <walleye> i will do a re install and try taskel
[09:48] <walleye> I will look into taskel
[09:49] <walleye> thank you so much
[09:49] <phillw> it looks after all the worries of what version of what should you install etc.
[09:49] <phillw> you're welcome
[15:42] <vn151502510> I wonder can install Lubuntu using the graphical with 128MB RAM with a swap partition
[15:50] <phillw> vn151502510: you'd be really pushing it... you may need to use minimal. alternate should also work.
[15:51] <vn151502510> thanks
[15:53] <phillw> vn151502510: this close to release, I'd suggest trying 14.04
[15:56] <vn151502510> sometimes I need to run live usb to show how lubuntu is, so I wonder, if I create a swap partition, it can run with graphic, right?
[15:58] <phillw> vn151502510: there is OBI which may help, it has a 14.04 non-pae version as well as for celeron M chips.
[15:59] <phillw> vn151502510: have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI and see if that fits your needs
[16:03] <vn151502510> Thanks. I think it maybe what I need. OBI
[16:05] <phillw> vn151502510: the lubuntu community do a lot of things to backup what is available from our devs. I'm the guilty party for the non-pae kernel for 14.04 (the list of people to thank who helped me is very long!).
[16:06] <phillw> as we no longer need fake-pae for the celeron-M chips, that has freed up that person to move onto "how low can we go" again.
[16:09] <jamiebally> What do I do to install Lubuntu?
[16:10] <phillw> jamiebally: head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[16:10] <phillw> if you have questions, pop back and ask :)
[16:11] <wxl> try as i might i couldn't help someone last night use awesome instead of openbox. there is a /usr/share/xsessions/awesome.desktop but my guess is the real problem is lacking a directory in /etc/xdg/lxsession. any ideas?
[16:11] <jamiebally> I did. I am installing Lubuntu on my other laptop as I speak but it isn't working. What can I do
[16:11] <phillw> If you're feeling 'brave', go grab 14.04 and help out with our first LTS (taking backups is advised :) )
[16:11] <phillw> jamiebally: which version?
[16:11] <wxl> jamiebally: what exactly is not working? what responze are you getting?
[16:12] <jamiebally> the new version. PC 32bit It says, your process cannot be completed,
[16:12] <wxl> jamiebally: at what point does it say this?
[16:13] <jamiebally> Once the installer gets to 52%
[16:13] <wxl> jamiebally: did you md5 the iso?
[16:13] <phillw> jamiebally: have you run the self check on the CD?
[16:13] <jamiebally> No and I do not have a CD
[16:13] <phillw> wxl: there's an echo :D
[16:13] <wxl> phillw: then you probably have a usb. in which case you should md5 the iso and then the usb
[16:14] <jamiebally> No I don't have a USB
[16:14] <wxl> jamiebally: what do you have?
[16:14] <phillw> walter, it appears not a stable link :)
[16:14] <wxl> hahahah
[16:17] <phillw> wxl: OBI seems a nice and stable way to install via USB... nio is working on another installer now that fake-pae is not needed for trusty :)
[16:18] <jb2> Hi
[16:18] <phillw> !ask
[16:19] <jb2> On the GetLubuntu page it says I need a DVD or CD, Why?
[16:19] <jb2> phillw and ubottu: Sorry
[16:19] <phillw> jb2: that is the media that we know works... there has been issues with USB sticks
[16:19] <jb2> How and Why do I need a CD or DVD?
[16:20] <phillw> jb2: you download the ISO and then put it onto a CD or DVD. If you want to use a USB memory stick, it needs to be 1GB or larger at present.
[16:21] <jb2> Why do I need to?
[16:21] <phillw> jb2: because you will start your computer using that device (cd / dvd / usb) and not the hard disk in your computer.
[16:22] <jb2> OK, how do I do that and will I need to do that every time I use mu computer?
[16:22] <phillw> not if you install lubuntu. At that point it will transfer to your hard drive and you will no longer need the cd / dvd etc.
[16:23] <jb2> phillw: how do I start my computer using the CD
[16:23] <jb2> ?
[16:23] <phillw> jb2: do you want just to have lubuntu or lubuntu and windows?
[16:23] <jb2> Just lubuntu
[16:24] <phillw> most computers can be told to use the CD as the 1st boot device.. i.e. before the hard drive.
[16:24] <jb2> How?
[16:24] <phillw> what is the make / model of the computer?
[16:25] <jb2> Windows Vista Toshiba
[16:25]  * wxl facepalms
[16:25] <phillw> ouch... vista... you poor soul!
[16:25] <jb2> I know. That is why I'm getting lubuntu
[16:27] <phillw> 2nd vista person switching this weekend... I'm posting the CD to the 1st guy as he in UK :)
[16:27] <jb2> OK. What do you mean, posting? I am in the UK too.
[16:28] <phillw> I'm going to make the CD and pop it in the post... also, for BIOS to set up the CD to be 1st boot device it is For Toshiba notebook PCs manufactured since the introduction of Windows XP
[16:28] <phillw> One or more of the following methods will be effective:
[16:28] <phillw> F2 key method
[16:28] <phillw> Turn the computer on. If you see an invitation to press the F2 key to enter Setup, do so. The Setup screen will appear.
[16:29] <jb2> phillw: ok. Thank You
[16:31] <phillw> jb2: the important part is when you download the ISO that you check it. Do you know how to burn a CD / have you any blank CD-R's ?
[16:33] <jb2> How do I check it?
[16:34] <wxl> !md5 | jb2
[16:34] <phillw> cheers walter :)
[16:35] <phillw> I found http://www.winmd5.com/]
[16:35] <phillw> * http://www.winmd5.com/ *
[16:36] <phillw> jb2: it is so very, very important that at each stage that you check the md5. if it is one tiny bit wrong, you will not have a reliable working system - even if it installs.
[16:37] <wxl> and he literally means a single bit (i.e. a 0 is instead a 1)
[16:37] <phillw> indeed!
[16:42] <phillw> jb2: if you hit problems, email me your address to phillw@phillw.net and I'll pop you a CD in the post tomorrow when I mail Micheal's.
[17:42] <js_doode> hey ya'll. i'm very for the lubuntu community and channel :)
[17:43] <js_doode> well early this morning(was dead tired) i came in here asking about a lamp server setup on lubuntu 13.10
[17:43] <js_doode> a great community member explained to be the most efficient(and painless) way to set that up
[17:44] <js_doode> ^ i just don't remember. Yesterday i was following a tutorial link on the wordpress site for lamp setup, and kept running into walls.
[17:47] <Mohi> Okay.. so how can we help you?
[17:47] <js_doode> Mohi: anyone here successful at a lubuntu lamp setup?
[17:48] <js_doode> and if so, can you lead me to a good source, my google fu is lacking :/
[17:49] <js_doode> ^ i believe he mentioned using tasksel
[17:49] <Mohi> You want to install and configure is it? and you missed the advise given to you today ?
[17:49] <js_doode> ^Mohi: that was all that was mentioned --> tasksel
[17:50] <js_doode> yeah. sorry
[17:52] <Mohi> http://www.unixmen.com/install-lamp-with-1-command-in-ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat/ this link might help you
[17:52] <js_doode> Mohi: thank you.i appreciate it. we'll see how this goes... adieau
[17:52] <Mohi> o/
[17:59] <phillw> Mohi: can you pop ont #phillw. thanks
[17:59] <phillw> *onto*
[17:59] <Mohi> erm I was idling in ##
[17:59] <Mohi> lemme change that
[20:20] <apb1963> Does anyone know how to get windows to stack/group vertically on the ... task panel?
[20:21] <apb1963> 12.04
[20:22] <phillw> apb1963: others may have different views.... 12.04 lubuntu is well past EoL (End of Life).
[20:22] <wxl> figured out how to get awesome to work!
[20:23] <phillw> walter, did you the call to arms to check the upcoming wiki areas for our 1st LTS?
[20:23] <phillw> *did you see*
[20:23] <apb1963> phillw: ummm... no.  EOL is 5 years.  I believe we're into the second maybe third year now, not sure.
[20:23] <wxl> nuh uh
[20:24] <wxl> phillw: kinda been off the list…
[20:24] <phillw> apb1963: 12.04 is not an LTS for lubuntu... our 1st one is 14,04
[20:25] <apb1963> phillw: ok, it's possible I'm using the wrong terminology....  ubuntu 12.04 is 5 years, and I have just installed the lubuntu-desktop - I guess I don't know what version of the desktop.
[20:25] <wxl> oh man i like awesome
[20:25] <phillw> apb1963: you will get kernel updates, but you will not get any lubuntu updates.
[20:26] <apb1963> phillw: I have installed whatever the latest lubuntu-desktop is, that is available in the repos.  I do not know how to verify the version.
[20:26] <phillw> imho, i'd say go for 14.04 lubuntu. It is a better version than the one we forced to releases at 13.10
[20:27] <phillw> but, that is my opinion.
[20:27] <apb1963> phillw: I have installed whatever the latest lubuntu-desktop is, that is available in the repos.  I do not know how to verify the version.
[20:29] <phillw> apb1963: open terminal session and issue
[20:29] <phillw> uname -a
[20:29] <phillw> then post up what it ways (you will need to CTRL+SHIFT+C to copy from a terminal session, and then just CTRL+V to paste it here :) )
[20:29] <phillw> s/ways/says
[20:30] <apb1963> 3.2.0-60-generic-pae #91-Ubuntu SMP Wed Feb 19 04:14:56 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[20:36] <phillw> wxl: is he on 13.10 ?
[20:37] <phillw> precise.. so I I can tell.
[20:37] <wxl> based on the linux shell?
[20:37] <phillw> 12.04
[20:38] <phillw> wxl: I suggest that apb1963 moves to 14.04; what are your thoughts on that?
[20:41] <apb1963> phillw: I have no interest on moving off the LTS version of ubuntu at the moment, but thank you for your suggestion.  My interest is in a window manager that provides window grouping.  KDE/kwin does, but unfortunately I was plagued by constant crashes of virtually every application I ran.  And so after some research, I decided to try lxde/lubuntu-desktop.
[20:42] <phillw> apb1963: 12.04 lubuntu is not lts. I'm seeking to move you to the lts.
[20:42] <apb1963> While I like it in general, I finding window grouping/stacking to be a critical feature for me.
[20:42] <phillw> just  a little early :)
[20:43] <apb1963> phillw: Please review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[20:43] <apb1963> 12.04 is supported until 2017
[20:44] <phillw> apb1963: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_12.04_is_not_an_LTS
[20:45] <phillw> ubuntu do not make the fixes for lubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu etx... those teams decide to lts or not... lubuntu could not have been lts even if it is was wished.
[20:46] <apb1963> phillw: There is some confusion over nomenclature.  I am running ubuntu 12.04, with lubuntu-desktop.  I have not installed the lubuntu distribution.
[20:47] <phillw> apb1963: you are using very outdated versions of what makes lubuntu.
[20:47] <holstein> the lubuntu version is not supporting 12.04 anymore.. so, you can remove the lubuntu-desktop, intall LXDE, and get support in #ubuntu, apb1963
[20:48] <apb1963> phillw: I am only interested in the desktop at this time, although I'm not 100% certain the difference between the desktop and the window manager.
[20:48] <phillw> there is no support, as the answer to a bug is "update to the newer supported, version :)"
[20:48] <apb1963> holstein: thank you, now I understand.
[20:49] <holstein> apb1963: its confusing, and i understand the confusion
[20:49] <apb1963> holstein: Although, as I mentioned previously... I merely installed the lubuntu-desktop that was in the repos.  Perhaps someone needs to communicate with the repo keepers?
[20:50] <holstein> apb1963: there is not "repo keeper".. lubuntu *is* ubuntu, and those packages are part of the default ubuntu repos
[20:50] <holstein> the issue is, lubuntu 12.04 is not supported.. main ubuntu is supporting 12.04.. and xubuntu AFAIK
[20:51] <holstein> but, if you are experiencing an issue with a lubuntu specific application in lubuntu 12.04, it is not being supported any longer
[20:51] <holstein> you can, however, use main ubuntu 12.04, which is supported, and use the LXDE desktop, which should be getting updates for security, etc
[20:52] <holstein> however, i would suggest using 13.10, or the upcoming 14.04.. this is a small, but actually active team, and the changes are worth seeing
[20:52] <apb1963> holstein: ok so is the package called lxde, lxde-desktop or something else?  For purposes of apt-get install ?
[20:53] <holstein> apb1963: correct.. the "lubuntu-desktop" package pulls that in, as well as other things..
[20:53] <apb1963> holstein: I need a stable system... I can't keep upgrading for the sake of upgrading.
[20:53] <holstein> apb1963: sure, and 12.04 is not "stable" its a long term support
[20:53] <holstein> apb1963: the "in betwwen" are not less stable, and the long term supports are not more stable
[20:53] <holstein> they are only longer supported
[20:53] <holstein> 14.04 *will* be a long term support for lubuntu
[20:54] <holstein> thats another reason why i suggested, and still suggest it.. you can install lubuntu 14.04, and use it, and not "upgrade for upgrades sake"
[20:54] <holstein> it will be supported, officially, for 3 years IIRC
[20:55] <holstein> with the ubuntu 14.04 core being supported for 5
[20:55] <apb1963> holstein: I'm not sure I'm sticking with lubuntu. If I can't get window group/stacking and tabbing... then there's no point for me to even consider upgrading.
[20:55] <holstein> apb1963: try live CDs.. thats what they are there for
[20:56] <holstein> apb1963: lxde is light.. and is intended for that.. if you want/need more funcitonaltiy, you may want to consider a heavier window manager
[20:57] <holstein> i have used LXDE with the xfce window manager before.. but, i feel you want an "out of the box" experience, that is just what you are seeking.. and that may not happend
[20:57] <holstein> though, i assure you, with any of the DE's really, one can typically personalize to one's exact liking
[20:57] <apb1963> holstein: I liked the look of lubuntu/lxde... I just assumed it would have what I thought was common/simple functionality... I guess I was wrong.
[20:57] <holstein> apb1963: and, im not saying it doenst have it
[20:57] <holstein> apb1963: what im actually saying is, anything can be added to it
[20:58] <apb1963> holstein: OK, so ... it boils down to how do I add what I need?
[20:58] <holstein> apb1963: if you want something more "out of the box" like you want, elaborate here, or in #ubuntu, or in a general linux channel, or on a mailing list
[20:59] <apb1963> holstein: window grouping/stacking & tabbing.
[20:59] <apb1963> it's that simple :)
[20:59] <holstein> apb1963: ok
[20:59] <holstein> apb1963: what are you looking for?
[20:59] <apb1963> I want my windows to stack
[20:59] <apb1963> vertically
[20:59] <apb1963> on the task panel
[20:59] <holstein> ok
[21:00] <holstein> i have no idea what that means, so, try sharing a screenshot, or other information
[21:00] <apb1963> so if I have 5 window libre office windows... instead of being spread horizontally like they are now, I want them to group up in one .... I don't know what to call it... icon?
[21:00] <apb1963> on the task panel
[21:01] <apb1963> in kwin I think the behavior is called grouping
[21:01] <apb1963> to me, it looks like a stack... of... plates?
[21:01] <holstein> sure.. i have added that each time
[21:01] <holstein> window grouping..
[21:02] <apb1963> ok, so how would I add that please?
[21:02] <apb1963> I've googled... I can't find anything relevant.
[21:03] <apb1963> i've googled for hours
[21:03] <phillw> holstein: is that not on the FAQ area?
[21:03] <apb1963> I did not see it in the FAQ I was looking at... perhaps there is a different FAQ
[21:04] <holstein> it may be (whichh is what we are discussing) that the feature is not present in that 2012 version of lxpanel
[21:04] <holstein> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1198
[21:04] <phillw> apb1963: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ If holstein has a fix, it should be added to that area
[21:05] <holstein> you can always add any panel you want, as well, if you find 12.04 is needed, and doesnt have it "out of th box"
[21:05] <phillw> holstein: which is while also suggest that apb1963 updates to at least 13,10 (and most likely 14.04).
[21:06] <holstein> apb1963: group similar tasks.. thats what i always see it referenced as
[21:07] <apb1963> holstein: ok so how can I tell what panel I have?
[21:07] <holstein> apb1963: try some live CD's and see if it meets your needs, assuming you cant get it sorted out.. or, think about how long you used whatever operating system you came from before finding that feature
[21:08] <holstein> apb1963: newer tweaks wont be added to lxpanel, for example.. since 12.04 is not supported
[21:08] <holstein> apb1963: you can install xfce4 therr, or xubuntu-desktop and have likely much more out of the box what you are looking for
[21:08] <apb1963> ok I found the proper place to click....   LXPanel 0.5.8
[21:09] <holstein> apb1963: ok.. i would just look for the settings, and see if they are there.. if you dont see them its likely, as i, and the post states.. its an older version that doesnt have it
[21:09] <holstein> apb1963: you can use xfce, as i suggested, or, just try the 13.10 lubuntu live CD, and see if the settings there fit your needs..
[21:10] <apb1963> holstein: sorry, I missed the suggestion of xfce... I prefer not to install an entirely new distribution.  I don't mind changing out components... as long as it doesn't hose me of course.
[21:11] <phillw> apb1963: or even try the 14.04 one at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds
[21:11] <apb1963> Unable to locate package xfce
[21:12] <holstein> apb1963: thats why i have offered many suggestions, most of which (sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop) doesnt require installing a new distro
[21:12] <holstein> plus, we are talking about versions of ubuntu.. all ubuntu distros
[21:12] <apb1963> lxpanel is already the newest version.
[21:12] <holstein> apb1963: the package name, as i suggested above is xfce4.. but, i would use xubuntu-desktop, if you want to explore the arguably heavier, and more feature-rich xfce
[21:13] <holstein> apb1963: lxpanel is the newest its *ever* going to be in 12.04
[21:13] <apb1963> sorry, I still can't find your comment about xfce above... nor xubuntu
[21:13] <holstein> apb1963: that what the issue is.. lxpanel is not supported in 12.04
[21:13] <holstein> apb1963: you can search "xubuntu-desktop" with the package manager of your choice and try it, and see if it fits your needs
[21:17] <apb1963> installing xubuntu-desktop
[21:17] <apb1963> although I should have tried xfce first :(
[21:26] <apb1963> ok... all (mostly) installed.  Several missing packages, but if they didn't get pulled down automagically I assume I don't need them.
[22:30] <holstein> apb1963: xubuntu-desktop should pull in all you need