[02:01] <akiva-mobile> Hey all
[02:01] <akiva-mobile> I live in vancouver; mind if I join the team?
[02:43] <willwh> akiva-mobile: hahahaha
[02:43] <willwh> unreal :D
[02:43] <akiva-mobile> hmm?
[02:43] <willwh> I'm in Victoria
[02:43] <akiva-mobile> yah indeed
[02:43] <akiva-mobile> richmond
[02:43] <willwh> just funny we were talking in #ubuntu
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> heh; I just joined the vanloco today
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> seems sporatic
[02:44] <willwh> are you just getting in to ubuntu
[02:44] <willwh> or moved recently?
[02:44] <willwh> I've idled in this channel for YEARS
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> no, ive been here 2006
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> just never knew about locos
[02:44] <willwh> ah cool, yeah I came to Canada in 2007
[02:44] <willwh> from Scotland originally :)
[02:45] <akiva-mobile> wow; that is very cool
[02:50] <willwh> akiva-mobile: we should talk some more another time
[02:50] <willwh> I do need to run, have to put kids to bed
[02:51] <akiva-mobile> yah totally
[02:51] <akiva-mobile> catch yah willwh
[03:44] <willwh> akiva-mobile: here again :)
[03:44] <akiva-mobile> willwh, heh, I just had someone yell at me in #ubuntu
[03:45] <willwh> it's very common
[03:45] <willwh> honestly... that channel is hilariously entertaining
[03:45] <akiva-mobile> willwh, he was asking a windows question, and I did a !windows to him
[03:45] <akiva-mobile> and he got really flustered
[03:45] <akiva-mobile> turned out he knew me
[03:45] <willwh> lol
[03:46] <willwh> so what do you do?
[03:46] <akiva-mobile> because 4 months ago, i helped him with his ubuntu server, and spent like 2 freaking days writing a python script
[03:46] <willwh> I work www.netromedia.com (.net shop mostly)
[03:46] <willwh> at*
[03:46] <willwh> we're building this atm: www.streamtest.net
[03:46] <akiva-mobile> because he was playing around in sudo with chown, and mucked it up badly
[03:46] <willwh> ah, ye, ppl often do that
[03:46] <willwh> lol
[03:46] <willwh> had a few hours of contract work fixing messes like it ;)
[03:47] <willwh> chown -R www-data:www-data / - or something daft like that
[03:47] <akiva-mobile> long story short, he shouted, pm'd me, called me all sorts of names... and I am like... where is your perspective? Anyways
[03:47] <akiva-mobile> okay so you are doing...
[03:47] <akiva-mobile> streamtest
[03:47] <akiva-mobile> willwh, what is streamtest?
[03:48] <willwh> like speedtest.net for video streaming
[03:48] <akiva-mobile> willwh, and to answer your question, I do programming and economics, freelance.
[03:48] <willwh> like a streaming video diagnostic tool
[03:48] <akiva-mobile> willwh, oh interesting; what technologies can you use it with?
[03:48] <akiva-mobile> google hangouts? Skype?
[03:49] <willwh> no, for rtmp/http delivered video
[03:49] <akiva-mobile> ah i see
[03:50] <willwh> we're going to support rtsp soonish too
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> very nicely done.
[03:50] <willwh> it's .net, built on windows azure
[03:50] <willwh> yeah pretty cool project tbh, been a lot of fun
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> excuse my ignorance, but I am not familiar with either rtsp or rtmp :P
[03:50] <willwh> lots of work left to do though
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> how is working with .net?
[03:50] <willwh> ah, rtmp = adobe's flash video protocol
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> its not under any of the languages I use, so :P
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> ah
[03:50] <willwh> rtsp - real time streaming protocol - IP cameras and the like
[03:51] <willwh> old android phones too, old blackberry
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> you make money from advertising then?
[03:51] <willwh> .net is pretty decent
[03:51] <willwh> no load testing
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> oh wait, pricing
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> interesting business model
[03:51] <willwh> I'm hoping to talk to netflix soon, want to support them
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> yah I bet
[03:51] <willwh> and a variety of others
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> what about steam?
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> valve*
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> they have streaming, don't they?
[03:52] <willwh> not sure there is a need really
[03:52] <willwh> we're going to have a pure client test for free
[03:52] <willwh> with tons of diagnostics
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> nice.
[03:52] <willwh> should be easy to add to that
[03:53] <akiva-mobile> do you program .net on linux or windows?
[03:53] <willwh> yeah - so the way it works is this:
[03:53] <willwh> this is done in windows, as it's run on the azure cloud
[03:53] <willwh> but I run other parts of our stuff in mono
[03:53] <akiva-mobile> what ide do you use for mono?
[03:53] <akiva-mobile> mono dev?
[03:54] <willwh> yup
[03:54] <akiva-mobile> shame it doesnt work with unity
[03:54] <willwh> nginx + fastcgi on the server
[03:54] <willwh> yeah - I'd love to get in to game development tbh
[03:54] <willwh> oh, you don't mean unity engine
[03:54] <willwh> hahahaha
[03:54] <willwh> :D
[03:55] <willwh> you mean ubuntu's unity
[03:55] <akiva-mobile> no lol, I mean that it doesnt integrate
[03:55] <akiva-mobile> yah
[03:55] <willwh> well
[03:55] <willwh> I think I read a couple of days ago
[03:55] <willwh> xamarin, the guys who started mono
[03:55] <akiva-mobile> for me; the ide's or any development programs, ahve to support the hud
[03:55] <willwh> are maybe going to be acquired by ms
[03:55] <willwh> I use vim for most dev, I do tons of node.js :P
[03:55] <willwh> for my personal stuff anyway
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> I want to use vim
[03:56] <willwh> why don't you? :)
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> but vim was designed for qwerty
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> and so its awkward with colemak
[03:56] <willwh> you're a dvorak?
[03:56] <willwh> colemak wtf is that
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> no, colemak
[03:56] <willwh> D:
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> sec
[03:56]  * willwh looks
[03:57] <willwh> ah
[03:57] <willwh> cool
[03:57] <akiva-mobile> http://youtu.be/6B7RgV-aLSk
[03:57] <akiva-mobile> I just recently did a video on it.
[03:58] <willwh> ah that's you?
[03:58] <akiva-mobile> yep
[03:58] <willwh> where did you record that?
[03:58] <willwh> it's noisey :P
[03:58] <akiva-mobile> timmy's
[03:59] <willwh> ofc
[03:59] <willwh> hahahaha
[03:59] <willwh> so where are you from?
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> 24 hours
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> vancouver
[03:59] <willwh> born and raised
[03:59] <willwh> ?
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> scottland is more interesting
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> but vancouver
[03:59] <willwh> well, I live on Vancouver Island
[03:59] <willwh> :P
[03:59] <willwh> Victoria, like I said
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> my mother is german, my father is of british descent. I descend from Sir Francis Drake.
[03:59] <willwh> ah
[04:00] <akiva-mobile> yar!
[04:00] <akiva-mobile> buccaneers ftw
[04:00] <willwh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Reivers
[04:00] <willwh> my last name is Hetherington
[04:00] <willwh> my family moved over the border in the 16th century
[04:01] <willwh> tons of us in the borders of scotland
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> willwh, interesting. Do you want scotland independence?
[04:01] <willwh> well, it's a very interesting question
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> hear there has been talk of it lately
[04:01] <willwh> yes
[04:01] <willwh> there is a referrendum coming up
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> your vote?
[04:01] <willwh> and they just changed the rules
[04:01] <willwh> so I think I'll be able to vote now
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> how so?
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> ah
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> okay
[04:01] <willwh> well, prior to this change
[04:01] <willwh> you had to be a resident in scotland to vote
[04:02] <willwh> I am a permanent resident in canada
[04:02] <willwh> going to apply for citizenship soon
[04:02] <willwh> but
[04:02] <willwh> they are reducing the age to 16 in scotland
[04:02] <willwh> i.e. 16 year olds will be able to vote for this
[04:02] <akiva-mobile> and you want to seperate?
[04:02] <willwh> one of my brothers was killed in afghanistan last april
[04:02] <willwh> fighting for the british army
[04:02] <willwh> and yes
[04:03] <akiva-mobile> wow, horrid. To him though, thank you for serving
[04:03] <willwh> I think I will vote for independance
[04:03] <willwh> well, I don't know
[04:03] <akiva-mobile> britain has a bunch of issues; namely its debt and its high level of soft socialism
[04:03] <willwh> yes
[04:03] <willwh> I won't go back to the UK I don't think
[04:04] <akiva-mobile> If britain was more economically free, I doubt anyone would be interested
[04:04] <willwh> I married a Canadian, have a son and daughter (2.5 and duaghter is just 3months )
[04:04] <willwh> well - honestly what worries me is GCHQ
[04:04] <willwh> haha
[04:04] <akiva-mobile> its the same reason why ukraine collapsed; they were the most socialistic and most difficult place to do business in all of europe
[04:04] <willwh> I have friends who *cough* have some fringe invovlement with some of that
[04:04] <akiva-mobile> gchq?
[04:05] <willwh> british intelligence basicallyt
[04:05] <willwh> government communications headquarters
[04:05] <willwh> :P
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> ah snowden stuff?
[04:05] <willwh> somewhat yes
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> yah
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> in alabama they have issues with this
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> state seperatists are being labled as terrorists and what not
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> a bunch of rubbish if you ask me.
[04:06] <willwh> http://cryptome.org/2014/03/nsa-hunt-sysadmins.pdf
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> unions are voluntary
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> yah I saw that
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> willwh, ever watch the linux action show?
[04:06] <willwh> it's childish in it's compsition
[04:06] <willwh> no I don't
[04:06] <willwh> should I? :)
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> you should;
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> they have a show the nextday called linux unplugged
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> and popey shows up in mumble, as with other many prominent members
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> and discuss linux issues
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> the reason I brought it up though
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> is that chris, the guy who runs that has another podcast called unfiltered, which follows all the nsa jazz. decent show
[04:07] <willwh> they have a mumble server?
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> sometimes a bit too zealous, but you get all the news needed.
[04:07] <willwh> :)
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> willwh, yah
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> willwh, and you know popey right?
[04:08] <willwh> dont think so
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> ah well hes like jono bacon sort of
[04:08] <willwh> k
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> being a head developer of ubuntu
[04:09] <akiva-mobile> not a community manager, but you get the jiff
[04:09] <willwh> ye
[04:09] <akiva-mobile> willwh, anyways, scotts are really cool in my opinion
[04:09] <akiva-mobile> one of the great homogenous cultures out there
[04:10] <akiva-mobile> willwh, do you dawn the clan colours ever?
[04:10] <willwh> oh yeah :)
[04:10] <willwh> my dad wears his mother's colours though, Murray
[04:10] <akiva-mobile> good :)
[04:10] <willwh> so do I and my brother
[04:11] <willwh> and so did my other brother
[04:11] <akiva-mobile> very neat.
[04:11] <akiva-mobile> i learned the other week, that scottland actually used to have colonies in the americas at one time
[04:11] <willwh> http://www.kiltmakers.com/assets/media/large_images/007/7661.jpg
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> I thought that was pretty interesting
[04:12] <willwh> that's the dress murray tartan
[04:12] <willwh> it's Scotland btw
[04:12] <willwh> just one t :)
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> I beg your pardon
[04:12] <willwh> the scots are everywhere
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> english lessons taught me to double the consanants after short vowels
[04:12] <willwh> and responsible for a lot of the modern world
[04:12] <willwh> ;)
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> adam smith
[04:13] <akiva-mobile> <3
[04:13] <willwh> "_
[04:13] <willwh> that was my house in high school "smith house"
[04:13] <willwh> haha
[04:13] <willwh> for him
[04:13] <akiva-mobile> very nice
[04:13] <willwh> my family are all there
[04:13] <willwh> if you ever visit, let me know
[04:14] <willwh> my sister has a sweet flat right in the centre of the old town , on the royal mile
[04:14] <willwh> and she runs a tea shop across the road
[04:14] <akiva-mobile> Wow that is very kind of you
[04:14] <willwh> but ye usually have a room for short term rent
[04:14] <akiva-mobile> willwh, favourite scot hollywood movie?
[04:14] <willwh> hmm
[04:14] <willwh> probably rob roy
[04:14] <willwh> heh
[04:15] <akiva-mobile> yah
[04:15] <akiva-mobile> rob roy
[04:15] <akiva-mobile> was going to say
[04:15] <willwh> 'cause braveheart is terrible
[04:15] <willwh> trainspotting is crazy :)
[04:15] <willwh> I have a couple of friends in that movie, just extras
[04:16] <willwh> if you haven't watched it
[04:16] <willwh> A History of Scotland
[04:16] <akiva-mobile> willwh, yah braveheart...
[04:16] <willwh> is a bbc production I think
[04:16] <willwh> is awesome
[04:16] <willwh> it's an 8 part series I think
[04:16] <akiva-mobile> willwh, its the scotish production of the patriot; just awful
[04:16] <willwh> yep
[04:16] <willwh> ah, when you say scottish, two t's
[04:16] <willwh> but, Scotland, and Scot(s)
[04:16] <akiva-mobile> William wallace was apparently much larger than mel gibson
[04:17] <akiva-mobile> and he apparently did a lot of pillaging
[04:17] <willwh> you know what's horrible
[04:17] <akiva-mobile> what?
[04:17] <willwh> at stirling castle
[04:17] <willwh> there is the wallace monument across the valley a biot
[04:17] <willwh> it's this huge stone needle/tower kind of things
[04:17] <willwh> thing*
[04:17] <akiva-mobile> what is horrible about it?
[04:17] <willwh> and then, there is a statue of old mel, in the car park in the castle
[04:18] <akiva-mobile> oh lol
[04:18] <akiva-mobile> ha ha
[04:18] <willwh> so many of the visitors assume that's the wallace monument
[04:18] <willwh> it's a crying shame
[04:18] <akiva-mobile> ha ha
[04:18] <willwh> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110606524902527184212/posts
[04:18] <willwh> that's the wallace monument
[04:19] <akiva-mobile> very nice
[04:19] <akiva-mobile> i really don't think its possible to grab a sword in rob roy....
[04:20] <akiva-mobile> i mean maybe it is
[04:20] <akiva-mobile> he did have an angle to it.
[04:21] <akiva-mobile> willwh, what kind of game development do you want to get into?
[04:21] <willwh> meh, I am so busy dude
[04:22] <willwh> I would love to dive in to building a cross platform, open pvp, loot MMO
[04:22] <willwh> i.e. if I had unlimited funds... that is what I would do
[04:22] <willwh> :)
[04:22] <willwh> full loot*
[04:22] <akiva-mobile> willwh, I sporatically have plans for such a thing
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> and some development from time to time.  One thing I want to do, is grab the tile data from open maps
[04:23] <willwh> mine would be fantasy though
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> which will cost a few hundred dollars
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> database it
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> and use that to generate a real world map
[04:24] <akiva-mobile> the possibilities with that are tremendous.
[04:24] <willwh> yes indeed
[04:24] <willwh> the problem of course is population
[04:24] <akiva-mobile> willwh, fantasy would be hard
[04:24] <akiva-mobile> they are a dime a dozen.
[04:24] <willwh> not full loot, open pvp
[04:24] <willwh> right now, there is darkfall unholy wars
[04:24] <willwh> and it's directx 11
[04:25] <akiva-mobile> i'd only be interested in developing on the ubuntu platform tbh :P
[04:25] <willwh> that's about the only one I've played that is even half decent in the last few years
[04:25] <willwh> fair play
[04:25] <willwh> I'd still be up for that
[04:25] <akiva-mobile> I used to play a lot of world of tanks, until I was able to escape it and finally get back to being productive.
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> geez those games are dangerous like that :P
[04:26] <willwh> oh yes indeed they are
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> willwh, hey do you have any experience with cmake?
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> I am trying to build unity
[04:26] <willwh> I don't
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> and am having an error
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> bah
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> shucks
[04:28] <willwh> you're trying to build untiy
[04:28] <willwh> :)
[04:29] <willwh> what are you changing?
[04:29] <willwh> haha
[04:29] <akiva-mobile> willwh, I want to build a scope for the terminal
[04:29] <akiva-mobile> embedding terminals are tough
[04:29] <akiva-mobile> but I think I know a way to do it
[04:30] <akiva-mobile> but that would be great if you could press the dash and have a terminal scope pop up
[04:30] <willwh> ctrl + alt + t works for me :P
[04:31] <akiva-mobile> willwh, but to have a perpetually active one
[04:32] <akiva-mobile> i mean, ctrl alt f1 works as well, but blah
[14:57] <BobJonkman2> akiva-mobile, willwh: You may be looking for something like Guake -- sits in the top panel (I'm using Mate, a Gnome2 fork), and it pops in/out with F12. Doesn't open a new terminal or close a session, just displays it http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/guake or https://github.com/Guake/guake/