[00:53] <manchicken> Okay, under 14.04 I now have kubuntu-debug-installer building again.
[00:54] <manchicken> The qt5 changes messed up my local build environment slightly, but I think I'm good now.
[01:04] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[01:15] <valorie> ahoneybun: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/24/plasma-desktopwY2050.png
[01:15] <valorie> button isn't sliding down below the text in the header
[01:17] <valorie> and on pages like this, setting off Kubuntu with quotes is strange: 
[01:17] <valorie> Local Teams
[01:17] <valorie> If you want to meet other ”’Kubuntu”’ users in your area, look for a Local Ubuntu Community team (LoCo team for short) to join.
[01:17] <valorie> http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/contribute-to-kubuntu/
[01:17] <valorie> I have a feeling that is from the wiki page markup or something
[07:13] <valorie> do we still ship wubi?
[07:13] <valorie> someone was just in #kubuntu fighting with it
[07:14] <valorie> !manifest
[07:14] <jussi> don't think so. at least it shouldnt be in 14.04
[07:14] <valorie> bummer, ubottu
[07:14] <valorie> cool
[07:15] <lordievader> valorie: He said he specifically chose Precise because it still had wubi.
[07:15] <valorie> ah
[07:16] <valorie> weird
[07:16] <lordievader> 24-07:59 < markwelds> the reason i am using 12.04 is because wubi only has 12.04
[07:16] <valorie> ok, but you said saucy
[07:16] <valorie> whatever, as long as it's gone
[07:17] <lordievader> Yes, Ubuntu Saucy.
[07:17] <lordievader> ;)
[07:17] <valorie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/trusty-desktop-amd64.manifest has no wubi
[07:17] <valorie> :-)
[07:18] <lordievader> \o/
[07:18] <valorie> got it
[07:18] <lordievader> Good riddance.
[07:18] <valorie> indeed
[07:19] <valorie> I only tried it once, very long ago, and it was already a steaming pile then
[07:20] <lordievader> I actually used it once, a cyclic boot chain stopped that quickly enough.
[07:21] <valorie> really, that fellow needs guis, doncha think?
[07:21] <valorie> not much of a thinker
[07:21] <lordievader> Yeah, I was just poking fun.
[07:21] <valorie> but we all start somewhere
[07:22] <lordievader> Very true.
[07:22] <lordievader> Let move this to #kubuntu-offtopic, btw.
[07:22] <valorie> oops
[07:22] <valorie> thought I was there
[07:22] <valorie> geez, sorry
[08:39] <apachelogger> agateau: bug 296228 python hates its parents :'<
[08:41] <agateau> apachelogger: how does this concern me?
[08:41] <apachelogger> agateau: it doesn't just wanted to point that out :P
[08:41] <agateau> apachelogger: ah ok :)
[08:41] <apachelogger> also that is the wrong bug
[08:42] <apachelogger> ah bug 1296228 is the one agateau ^^
[08:42] <agateau> that sounds more like my stuff
[08:48] <apachelogger> d_ed: what would cause the google talk account creation stuff in ktp to be greyed out?
[08:49] <apachelogger> s/would/could
[08:49] <agateau> apachelogger: building qtwebkit atm, I don't dare opening firefox to read the bug report for now :)
[08:50] <apachelogger> agateau: probably a smart thing, I'd also close the IRC client tho :P
[08:50] <apachelogger> webkit is the best thing to build in a constraint build envrionment (say PPA builders ...)
[08:51] <apachelogger> e.g. IIRC neon5's qtwebkit is actually built without debug symbols because they cause OOM abortion like 99% of the time 
[08:51] <agateau> yes, I might do this at some point
[08:51] <agateau> thought I noticed linking with gold helps
[08:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: "After clicking Apply to activate the newly selected driver, the process does not finish. I waited about five minutes then killed it. After opening Driver Management again, the new driver was selected."
[08:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about driver manager, applying a driver change
[08:52] <d_ed> apachelogger: lack of telepathy-gabble
[08:52]  * apachelogger checks deps
[08:53] <apachelogger> ohohoh, wait, haven't I seen that issue too
[08:53]  * apachelogger checks logs
[08:53] <apachelogger> ah yes
[08:53] <apachelogger> d_ed: what if gabble definitely was installed ^^
[08:55] <apachelogger> FWIW we might be talking about the actual configuration window rather than the button ... the test comment is not exactly clear on that
[08:55] <d_ed> killall mission-control-5 then open it again.
[08:55] <d_ed> after that I have no idea
[08:55] <apachelogger> mh, ok
[08:55] <apachelogger> d_ed: thx :)
[08:56] <apachelogger> somehow the discover test case is weirdly sorted
[08:56]  * apachelogger wonders why
[08:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: about the nepomuk disabled test case on google docs... shouldn't nepomuk be removed (will be removed)?
[08:59] <apachelogger> interestingly that test case also has weird order of question/comments
[09:02] <apachelogger>  Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a 1GB USB stick. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a larger USB drive, or a virtual machine.
[09:02] <apachelogger> exciting
[09:02] <apachelogger> we now have openjdk on the ISO it seems
[09:04] <apachelogger> because of ... wait for it... libreoffice
[09:04] <jussi> oh I eagerly await the day when we can have Calligra
[09:05] <apachelogger> ah, nevermind,
[09:05] <apachelogger> we not only have jdk
[09:05] <apachelogger> we also have libgnome *2*
[09:05] <apachelogger> because of openjdk
[09:06] <jussi> hah!
[09:10] <apachelogger> Timeout error
[09:10] <apachelogger> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. 
[09:12] <apachelogger> fun fact: the lo changelog on launchpad indicates no changes regarding java
[09:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: true, however, I've commented out the code that figures out where qdbus resides, so that will lead to startup issues
[09:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do I find out why a package is on the ISO?
[09:25] <tsimpson> packages are listed in the .manifest
[09:25] <shadeslayer> sigh
[09:26] <shadeslayer> mornings are definitely not my thing
[09:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I look at the germs
[09:26] <apachelogger> mondays! mondays!
[09:26] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: sure, but why?
[09:26] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: I mean, that lists packages on the ISO, but sometimes I need to know why :)
[09:26] <tsimpson> oh why, sorry :p
[09:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because of the germs
[09:26] <shadeslayer> okie dokie
[09:27] <apachelogger> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.trusty/desktop http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.trusty/desktop-common
[09:27] <shadeslayer> we need to seed qtchooser explicitly
[09:27] <shadeslayer> or make kde-workspace depend on it
[09:27] <shadeslayer> ah well, qdbus already pulls it in
[09:27]  * apachelogger looks at his whiteboard and sighs in despair
[09:28] <shadeslayer> what's wrong? 
[09:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: all utils do/should as the /usr/bin/foo thing is nothing but a link/caller for qtchooser
[09:28] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[09:28] <apachelogger> and qtchooser then calls the appropriate architecture binary
[09:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: was looking at 1295835
[09:28] <shadeslayer> bug 1295835
[09:29] <shadeslayer> trying to figure out why installing qt5-default fixes the issue
[09:29] <apachelogger> iff some qt5 bit is installed the qtchooser config for qt5 likely will get installed and chosen over the qt4 one
[09:30] <shadeslayer> yes, but that doesn't matter if I explicitly set QT_SELECT=4 correct?
[09:30] <shadeslayer> or does that get overriden too :O
[09:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nope, select should override anything
[09:31] <apachelogger> UNLESS qdbus-qt4 is not installed
[09:31] <apachelogger> so perhaps that needs to be explicitly seeded
[09:33] <shadeslayer> already seeded
[09:33] <apachelogger> then that should not happen
[09:35] <shadeslayer> it's puzzling yes
[09:35] <apachelogger> have the reporter strace it?
[09:35] <apachelogger> uninstall qdbus-qt5, set qt_select, strace qdbus
[09:39] <shadeslayer> eh
[09:39] <shadeslayer> this is interesting
[09:40] <shadeslayer> open driver manager kcm -> Select nvidia-331 -> hit apply -> install goes to 50% and then kcm reloads
[09:40] <shadeslayer> and keeps reloading
[09:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, driver manager is le broken
[09:50] <shadeslayer> needs fixing ASAP
[09:51] <apachelogger> fancy
[09:51]  * apachelogger adds to todo -.-
[09:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: nepomuk can't be removed because it needs to migrate, you might also want to turn it back on to e.g. get PMC to work
[09:54]  * apachelogger squints
[09:55] <apachelogger> I think that just gave me a stroke
[09:55] <Riddell> kubotu: nowversion akonadi 1.11.90
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: patch PMC to offer starting the KCM?
[09:55] <apachelogger> it's multiple degrees of ugly to have both nepomuk and baloo in systemsettings
[09:56] <yofel> well, we removed the kcm from kde-runtime, do you want it back?
[09:56] <yofel> has the uglyness of having desktop search twice in ss
[09:58] <yofel> I tried to remove the nepmouk dep wherever else I could. nepomuk-widgets shouldn't be used by anything anymore, but nepomuk-core isn't so easy
[09:58] <apachelogger> it's what I said should not happen, according to Riddell's test case that is however what happens when upgrading
[09:58] <yofel> removing n-c from kactivites is rather scary
[09:59] <yofel> apachelogger: having two kcm's? Impossible if we don't ship the other one...
[10:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: yofel has some some nepomuk removal work since I wrote that test case
[10:01] <apachelogger> ah
[10:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: please adjust test case then :P
[10:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: know of anything else that's broken?
[10:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: everything
[10:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where?
[10:35] <apachelogger> driver-manager?
[10:37] <shadeslayer> no, known any other breakages apart from that
[10:38]  * mzanetti would know a bunch :D
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: everywhere, take a look at the bug tracker :P
[10:39] <shadeslayer> xD
[10:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: stuff that you broke specifically or other things? :P
[10:40] <shadeslayer> xD
[10:42] <apachelogger> eh
[10:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: python3.4!!!@$!$!!
[10:42] <apachelogger> see mailing list
[10:42] <apachelogger> I thought you and yofel where on to that?
[10:43] <yofel> not... particulary. When I see apport I usually run away
[10:44] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[10:44] <apachelogger> bug 1253071
[10:46] <apachelogger> xnox: ^ the removal of gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg breaks kubuntu stuff
[10:46] <apachelogger> a lot
[10:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:02]  * shadeslayer starts looking at apport
[11:02] <jussi> we still use apport? 
[11:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah, for non KDE apps
[11:03] <jussi> oh
[12:02] <shadeslayer> wtf it's 1?
[12:02] <shadeslayer> where did all the time go :O
[12:51] <Riddell> ** beta freeze happening today, get your uploads in quick!
[12:52] <Riddell> manchicken: is qapt and muon in the archive at good versions?
[12:52] <manchicken> Riddell: I believe qapt is, but Harald put those in.
[12:52] <manchicken> I'm still packaging-stupid.
[12:53] <Riddell> manchicken: launchpad knows all :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt
[12:53] <Riddell> manchicken: upload happened on 18th, that all good?
[12:53] <sgclark> Riddell: anything I can do? or quiet due to freeze?
[12:53] <manchicken> Let me look at the code
[12:53] <Riddell> sgclark: akonadi pacakaging will make tsdgeos happy
[12:53] <manchicken> I know (intimately) what the last change was.
[12:54] <sgclark> Riddell: on it
[12:54] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion akonadi 1.11.90
[12:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1296707
[12:54] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get calligra?
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: now you've got a bug for it too :) ↑
[12:54] <manchicken> Riddell: Yeah, this is golden.
[12:55] <Riddell> sgclark: yep thanks, e-mailed about some tidying I had to do
[13:25]  * shadeslayer waves fist
[13:25] <shadeslayer> can't get apport to crash in pd
[13:26] <shadeslayer> *pdb
[13:31] <sgclark> Riddell: akonadi ready
[13:33] <Riddell> sgclark: ubuntu one? any changes needed?
[13:34] <Riddell> not in ubuntu one, in bzr?
[13:35] <sgclark> bzr and no  changes
[13:35] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded, thanks!
[13:35] <Riddell> tsdgeos: any idea where akonadi releases get announced? they just seem to quietly appear
[13:39] <Riddell> sgclark: two more needing done today, new homerun release and fiddling with phonon .pri files
[13:40] <sgclark> Riddell: on it. what do you mean fiddling?
[13:42] <Riddell> sgclark: the .pri files in phonon are installed incorrectly in .install files "debian/tmp-phonon-qt5/usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/qt_phonon4qt5.pri usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/"
[13:42] <Riddell> which literally puts it into usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/
[13:42] <Riddell> needs custom install commands added to debian/rules
[13:42] <Riddell> sgclark: which are you starting on?
[13:42] <sgclark> ok
[13:42] <sgclark> homerun
[13:43] <Riddell> should be easy I think
[13:45] <sgclark> Riddell: should this be fixed while I am packaging? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1275243
[13:46] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, something should be fixed
[13:46] <Riddell> sgclark: maybe it needs a common package for the shared files
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:46] <Riddell> sgclark: ask Sho_ in #kde-devel to find the best way
[13:49] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: given freeze is imminent someone should start on gstreamer 1.0 support now, any volunteers or shall I do it?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> go for it, I'm doing other stuff right now
[13:50] <apachelogger> I am not going to do it, or I will have to shoot myself
[13:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:51] <shadeslayer> just a overall crappy situation overall
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might be worth investigating if there are other packages that use QtWebkit and gst
[13:51] <shadeslayer> because if they use QtWebkit + gst 0.10 things are going to crash
[13:54] <sgclark> Riddell: They said they do not know ubuntu packaging but your solution for common package would be possible. Your call
[13:57] <shadeslayer> sgclark: go for the common packaging approach
[13:57] <shadeslayer> *common package
[13:58] <sgclark> ok how do I determine what files are shared?
[13:59] <tsdgeos> Riddell: no clue, ask dan
[14:00] <shadeslayer> sgclark: check what files are used by both apps ?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> homerunviewer is probably one
[14:02] <shadeslayer> ohohoho
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2014-March/033929.html
[14:06] <apachelogger> is it batman
[14:06] <apachelogger> oh, it's not :/
[14:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's not the same thign is it?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:07] <apachelogger> we have code that did not change and is now going down in flames
[14:07] <shadeslayer> that guy posted right after I did
[14:07] <shadeslayer> yeah :/
[14:08] <apachelogger> oh, true, same backtrace
[14:09] <apachelogger> might still have a different cause, as apparently that backtrace is iconic of stuff that is being destructed after being destructed or something ^^
[14:23] <Quintasan> \o
[14:41] <Peace-> hey guys someone has 13.10 ?
[14:41] <Peace-> because i can't get tthe video preview on that too 
[14:41] <Peace-> i mean on the info panel of dolphin 
[14:42] <Peace-> i click play but on mp4 it doesn't work 
[14:42] <Peace-> mah
[14:42] <jussi> link me to a demo file and Ill test
[14:45] <Peace-> jussi: youtube-dl -t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQuDUoTHEo #it should be very fast to download , and it should be MP4
[14:47] <Peace-> i am thinkin that it's a bug of kde 4.12
[14:49] <Peace-> i have installed kubuntu-restricted-extra and ubuntu-restricted-extra phonon-backend-vlc too 
[14:54] <jussi> where the heck does the file disappear to ?
[14:54] <Peace-> jussi: ??
[14:54] <jussi> oh, weirdly named
[14:54] <jussi> anyway, works here
[14:54] <Peace-> ah
[14:55] <jussi> Platform Version 4.12.3
[14:55] <Peace-> jussi: damn why in my machine it doesn't work 
[14:56] <Peace-> sigh
[14:56] <Peace-> i have both virtuabl box with 13.10 and new 14.04
[15:04] <Peace-> jussi: did you install something of special ?=
[15:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you figure out the k-d-m issue yet?
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: haven't had a look
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but assuming my todo doesn't grow a 100% after mail reading tomorrow I probably can look into it and/or continue the refactor to get that out of the way
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: needs fixing today :S
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why
[15:06] <shadeslayer> oh 
[15:06] <apachelogger> are we freezing already
[15:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:07] <shadeslayer> today IIRC
[15:07] <apachelogger> pff
[15:07] <apachelogger> I doubt I'll get it tracked down in 50 minutes
[15:07] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[15:07] <apachelogger> lemme try to reproduce it for starters
[15:07] <shadeslayer> just try to install a driver :P
[15:08] <shadeslayer> the entire day just slipped by :/
[15:08] <apachelogger> I killed 4 todo items :P
[15:08] <apachelogger> by outsourcing, muhahaha
[15:08] <shadeslayer> xD
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's better if mondays go by fasterly
[15:09] <shadeslayer> all I did today was the plasma meeting, read why displays servers matter and fix some Neon 5 ISO bugs
[15:09] <apachelogger> display servers matter? what?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-display-server-doesnt-matter.html
[15:10] <apachelogger> does windows have a display server as well?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/why-the-display-server-does-matter/
[15:10] <shadeslayer> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2014/03/more-on-why-display-server-does-matter.html
[15:10] <apachelogger> teaparty nonesense
[15:10] <apachelogger> what's the point of blogging about this at all
[15:11] <shadeslayer> idk
[15:11] <apachelogger> and so much text
[15:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:11] <apachelogger> bikeshed much
[15:11]  * apachelogger watches a progressbar while the internet is being slow because ISO sync has just triggered -.-
[15:11] <shadeslayer> aw
[15:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pkdusquh4
[15:12] <shadeslayer> expressions get evaluated outside chroot
[15:13] <apachelogger> what?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p1pgvtz91
[15:13] <shadeslayer> code inside neon-image
[15:13] <shadeslayer> line 6 gets evaluated when the config is written
[15:14] <shadeslayer> odd
[15:14] <apachelogger> not necessarily
[15:14] <apachelogger> depends on how the thing is used TBH
[15:15] <apachelogger> looking at the output I reckon you need some fancy escaping
[15:15] <apachelogger> but even so, it really very much all depends on how this is used in the image
[15:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I see the broken driver thing
[15:16] <apachelogger> interestingly the dbus thingum doesn't sned anything when queried again
[15:17] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:17] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[15:17] <shadeslayer> workaround
[15:17] <apachelogger> it also doesn't on refresh
[15:17] <apachelogger> makes this loads more debuggable ^^
[15:18] <apachelogger> ah I know why
[15:18] <apachelogger> that's deliberate breakage
[15:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: will need fixing tomorrow
[15:19] <apachelogger> can't do that today, the problem is that with the current structure you have no state control
[15:19] <apachelogger> i.e. loading is dependent on qapt being inited
[15:19] <apachelogger> but initedness is not tracked etc.
[15:19] <shadeslayer> half the stuff you said went over my head
[15:19] <apachelogger> so I suppose a hotfix, if you want to do one, is bool m_backendinitd; and check that in load() and xapianUpdateFinished() 
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: look at function xapianUpdateFinished
[15:20] <apachelogger> oh actually
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just call xapianUpdateFinished in load()
[15:20] <apachelogger> I think I already partially restructured, just forgot to rewire load()
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fun http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/24/plasma-desktopKA2152.png
[15:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the branch to use for gstreamer 1.0 phonon support?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 1.0-for-merge
[15:33] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[15:33] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository/show?rev=1.0-porting-for-merge
[15:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: after install?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, before
[15:34] <apachelogger> ah yes
[15:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: add a bool m_backendinit'd
[15:34] <apachelogger> no wait, that will also not work
[15:35] <apachelogger> it's the old mutual exlusion problem :P
[15:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just let it be :P
[15:35] <shadeslayer> let it be broken today?
[15:35] <apachelogger> oh well
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's not broken
[15:35] <apachelogger> it just has display state problems :P
[15:36] <shadeslayer> 'looks' pretty broken xD
[15:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what you can do is bool m_initialloaddone
[15:36] <apachelogger> or
[15:36] <apachelogger> no
[15:36] <apachelogger> also crap :P
[15:36] <apachelogger> or maybe
[15:36] <apachelogger> ah I dunno
[15:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bool m_loading
[15:36] <shadeslayer> fix it tomorrow
[15:36] <shadeslayer> ISO release is later
[15:37] <shadeslayer> we can upload bug fixes I suppose
[15:37] <apachelogger> set to true in xapianupdatefinished iff the qdbus wiring happens
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ we'll need exception for this
[15:37] <apachelogger> set to false in gotDevices
[15:37] <apachelogger> that still has the timing issue
[15:37] <apachelogger> but if you want a hotfix today then you'll have to live with that :P
[15:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who what?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kubuntu-driver-manager is busted
[15:38] <shadeslayer> can't install drivers
[15:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems like a problem, is someone fixing it?
[15:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: no like "Phonon::GStreamer::Backend: Failed to initialize GStreamer"
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger 
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: make sure you have 1) QtWebkit built with gst1.0
[15:40] <shadeslayer> 2) various gstreamer 1.0 packages
[15:40] <shadeslayer> else it's not going to work
[15:41] <Riddell> hmm, dragon says it's worked after installing gstreamer1.0-plugins-good but it's not actually playing anything
[15:41] <ahoneybun> having problems playing videos Riddell ?
[15:42] <sgclark> Riddell: homerun ready in my ubuntu one. I tested both and they appear to function as expected now.
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: again, needs Qtwebkit built with gstreamer 1.0
[15:42] <shadeslayer> I mean, it will NOT work without that
[15:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I'm trying phonon-gstreamer1.0, I'm having problems playing anything
[15:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dragon needs qtwebkit?
[15:43] <shadeslayer> dragon needs kdeui which needs something which loads qtwebkit
[15:43] <ahoneybun> I could never get anything to play in dragon
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pmap `pidof dragon'
[15:43] <ahoneybun> even installed the restricted packages
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pmap `pidof dragon`
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pastebin that plz
[15:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pmap
[15:44] <ahoneybun> is there still that debate about the two different gstreamer packages but really the same
[15:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: there's still gstreamer0.10 and gstreamer1.0
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: oh yeah, on-demand plugin install of qapt is only compatible with gst0.10 that might matter
[15:50] <Riddell> playing music might matter too :(
[15:51] <apachelogger> I mean saying you probably need more plugin packages
[15:53]  * Riddell installs more
[15:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh yay you're right
[15:57]  * apachelogger wonders how one wants to write 'am' and ends up with 'mean'
[15:57] <Peace-> :)
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: have you installed plugins-base
[16:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: drunk autocorrecT?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio is usually the one missing which causes all sorts of sound issues
[16:29] <Riddell> yeah I think it was gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio which made it work
[16:29] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:30] <sgclark> Riddell: fixed .pri but have this unrelated lintian error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7147028/
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: good to know it's working
[16:43] <Riddell> sgclark: does it mention phonon-dbg in debian/control ?
[16:43] <Riddell> sgclark: and does phonon-dbg exist?
[16:44] <sgclark> Riddell: yes and phonon-dbg suggests libphonon4qt5
[16:48] <Riddell> sgclark: oh it's libphonon4qt5 which doesn't exist
[16:49] <sgclark> Riddell: oh it sshould be libphonon4qt5-4
[16:49] <shadeslayer> sounds about right
[16:50] <Riddell> sgclark: also libphonon4qt5-4-dev.install is unused
[16:50] <sgclark> Riddell: it is? there is stuff in there
[16:52] <Riddell> sgclark: but there's no such package, the file is unused
[16:52] <Riddell> libphonon4qt5-dev.install is used
[16:53] <sgclark> oh right
[16:53]  * shadeslayer  looks at yofel's firefox bug
[16:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: okay that should be fixed upstream IMHI
[16:56] <shadeslayer> *IMHO
[16:57] <shadeslayer> I have no clue if that'll break regular themes or not
[16:57] <sgclark> Riddell: did you see that homerun is in my ubuntu one?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> I thought I uploaded homerun, huh
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: make sure the md5sum is correct for homerun btw
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Eike switched out tars shortly after release
[16:58] <shadeslayer> like a couple of minutes
[17:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you uploaded 1.2.1, that's old news, you're 0.0.1 behind the times
[17:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, I'm talking about 1.2.2
[17:01] <shadeslayer> since sgclark mentioned it
[17:01] <Riddell> no sign of it in launchpad
[17:02] <shadeslayer> no, sgclark mentioned she had 1.2.2 on ubuntu one
[17:02] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1275243
[17:02] <sgclark> correct I did, because it is ready :)
[17:02] <shadeslayer> sgclark: can you show me what you did?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> link to dsc
[17:05] <Riddell> sgclark: some fixes needed http://paste.kde.org/pandwhmev
[17:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/homerun_1.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:06] <sgclark> Riddell: ok will fix those, phonon is ubuntu one
[17:08] <sgclark> Riddell: # 3 is empty?
[17:09] <Riddell> sgclark: just a blank line, ignore
[17:09] <Riddell> sgclark: phonon all good but you didn't add a new changelog entry, dch -i is your friend, fixing and uploading
[17:11] <sgclark> Riddell: ummm but I did. I thought I was suppose to dch -a since it was not a new release
[17:11] <Riddell> sgclark: it's a new upload to the ubuntu archive, each upload to the archive needs a new changelog
[17:12] <Riddell> sgclark: uploads to PPAs may not need a new changelog (depending on preferred development style)
[17:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah phonon-gstreamer1.0 doesn't compile with qt5
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: FWIW we should get PAM integration working sometime this week
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: with kwallet?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you think I can sneak it in this week then
[17:20] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:20] <shadeslayer> or do I have to wait till next week
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will that get rid of the broken gpg integration?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[17:21] <shadeslayer> IDK
[17:21] <shadeslayer> that's pretty broken :p
[17:21] <Riddell> hmm
[17:21] <shadeslayer> but for 99% of the users it won't matter
[17:21] <shadeslayer> because they don't use gpg
[17:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm but gpg is prompted by default for new users currently
[17:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: anyway, it depends when it's ready to go in
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Alex says disable it since it does not have PAM integration
[17:23] <shadeslayer> and probably won't till Plasma Next
[17:23] <shadeslayer> I agree with him since it's utterly broken
[17:23] <shadeslayer> plus he mentions that the hash is as secure as gpg
[17:24] <Riddell> where can it be disabled?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> yeah was just looking at that
[17:24] <Riddell> probably some build-dep we added to kdelibs or kde-runtime or the like
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: compile option
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: able to remove it?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> wat wat wat , kwallet is at 4.12.2
[17:28] <shadeslayer> wat
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:28] <shadeslayer> manager probably
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah doing
[17:29] <sgclark> Riddell: homerun ready
[17:40] <ScottK> yofel: What needs to be added to our packageset?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I've emailed valentin since I can't find an option to disable it 
[17:52] <shadeslayer> I'm done for the day, cya tomorrow
[19:15] <yofel> ScottK: my uploads that were rejected with insufficient permission were: artikulate, baloo, baloo-widgets, kfilemetadata, kqtquickcharts, kwalletmanager, libkomparediff2
[19:15] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[19:15] <yofel> not sure why baloo was rejected, that should be on the image, right?
[19:16] <ScottK> Packageset updates aren't automatic.
[19:16] <yofel> ah right
[19:16] <ScottK> I'll try and fix it later today.
[19:16] <yofel> ScottK: oh, and I just remembered something: zeroconf-ioslave (former kdnssd) wasn't uploaded I think
[19:16] <yofel> Riddell: could you look at that ^
[19:17] <Riddell> hmm, will do
[19:18] <yofel> uhm, changelog might need fixing, shadeslayer sed-ed that I think....
[19:20] <Riddell> anyone able to test gstreamer1.0 ?
[19:20] <yofel> if you mention something that uses it...?
[19:21] <Riddell> yofel: trusty, add  ppa:jr  install   phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0
[19:21] <Riddell> yofel: play music in amarok and videos in dragon
[19:24] <Riddell> yay qtwebkit works with gstreamer1.0
[19:48] <Riddell> !testers |phonon  gstreamer 1.0 ↑
[19:49] <yofel> dragon worked fine for both video and audio
[19:50] <yofel> amarok just plain crashed
[19:50] <yofel> let me get a proper trace
[19:51] <yofel> uhm
[19:51] <yofel> #6  0x00007f854ba9c91c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
[19:51] <yofel> that's not supposed to happen...
[19:51] <Riddell> um
[19:52] <Riddell> you might want to log out & in
[19:52] <yofel> I rebooted...
[19:52] <Riddell> hum
[19:52] <Riddell> do you still have phonon gstreamer 0.10 installed?
[19:53] <yofel> nope, that got removed by the 1.0 backend
[19:53] <yofel> un  phonon-backend-gstreamer                        <none>                       <none>                       (no description available)
[19:54] <yofel> Riddell: qtwebkit maybe?
[19:54] <Riddell> aah, that's why shadeslayer was so insistant on it
[19:55] <Riddell> yofel: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libqtwebkit4_2.3.2-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[19:57] <yofel> Riddell: much better :)
[19:58] <yofel> Riddell: seems to work fine
[20:00] <Riddell> yay
[20:01] <Riddell> but no automatic install of codecs
[20:01] <Riddell> but then libav will install if you tick the box at ubiquity
[20:01] <Riddell> hmm
[20:01] <Riddell> yofel: makes sense to try it for this beta?
[20:01] <yofel> is anyone else affected by chaning the gestreamer version for qt4?
[20:02] <yofel> *gstreamer
[20:02] <kdeuser56> when I change to a source directory I check out with apt-get source ... and run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b"  the package is rebuilt isn't it?
[20:02] <yofel> kdeuser56: dpkg-buildpackage will build it, right
[20:03] <Riddell> I think only kde stuff uses phonon
[20:03] <Riddell> skype and spotify use their own thing
[20:04] <yofel> libgstreamer0.10-0 has a bunch of rdepends, qtwebkit and phonon being 2 of those. We might be fine, but I'm personally not an audio expert
[20:05] <yofel> apachelogger: your opinion? ^
[20:08] <Riddell> there's nothing wrong with it having rdepends, you can have gstreamer 0.10 and 1.0 used that the same time
[20:08] <Riddell> just not in the same application preferably :)
[20:09] <Riddell> yofel: I think I'll upload unless you have any major objections
[20:10] <yofel> not really, but the plan should be to get rid of gstreamer0.10 from the image then, that way we can at least be sure our default install will be fine
[20:10] <Riddell> oh sure
[20:11] <Riddell> telepathy-haze might be the only thing that keeps it on
[20:15] <yofel> hm, should be fine, libpurple doesn't use phonon
[20:21] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.8.1
[20:21] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1296935
[20:33] <shadeslayer> hm
[20:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why does haze need 0.10?
[20:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: libpurple uses 0.10, haze uses libpurple
[20:34] <shadeslayer> and why does purple need 0.10
[20:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: presumably it's not ported
[20:55] <shadeslayer> a adventure beckons
[21:19] <yofel> tried building piding against gst1, just complains that audio/video support is missing and fails
[21:25] <shadeslayer> pft
[23:04] <Quintasan> THIS IS SUFFERING
[23:04] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Databases in goddamn MS Access.
[23:05] <Quintasan> and on embedded systems we're coding Xlets for goddamn MHP
[23:06] <Quintasan> the emulator doesnt work for half of the features and the devices are so old the manufacturer does not want to touch them
[23:06] <Quintasan> *rant mode off*