[00:53] Okay, under 14.04 I now have kubuntu-debug-installer building again. [00:54] The qt5 changes messed up my local build environment slightly, but I think I'm good now. [01:04] hi ahoneybun [01:15] ahoneybun: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/24/plasma-desktopwY2050.png [01:15] button isn't sliding down below the text in the header [01:17] and on pages like this, setting off Kubuntu with quotes is strange: [01:17] Local Teams [01:17] If you want to meet other ”’Kubuntu”’ users in your area, look for a Local Ubuntu Community team (LoCo team for short) to join. [01:17] http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/contribute-to-kubuntu/ [01:17] I have a feeling that is from the wiki page markup or something [07:13] do we still ship wubi? [07:13] someone was just in #kubuntu fighting with it [07:14] !manifest [07:14] Sorry, I don't know anything about manifest [07:14] don't think so. at least it shouldnt be in 14.04 [07:14] bummer, ubottu [07:14] cool [07:15] valorie: He said he specifically chose Precise because it still had wubi. [07:15] ah [07:16] weird [07:16] 24-07:59 < markwelds> the reason i am using 12.04 is because wubi only has 12.04 [07:16] ok, but you said saucy [07:16] whatever, as long as it's gone [07:17] Yes, Ubuntu Saucy. [07:17] ;) [07:17] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/trusty-desktop-amd64.manifest has no wubi [07:17] :-) [07:18] \o/ [07:18] got it [07:18] Good riddance. [07:18] indeed [07:19] I only tried it once, very long ago, and it was already a steaming pile then [07:20] I actually used it once, a cyclic boot chain stopped that quickly enough. [07:21] really, that fellow needs guis, doncha think? [07:21] not much of a thinker [07:21] Yeah, I was just poking fun. [07:21] but we all start somewhere [07:22] Very true. [07:22] Let move this to #kubuntu-offtopic, btw. [07:22] oops [07:22] thought I was there [07:22] geez, sorry [08:39] agateau: bug 296228 python hates its parents :'< [08:39] bug 296228 in Duo "duo gets stuck : "+4" cannot be played twice" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296228 [08:41] apachelogger: how does this concern me? [08:41] agateau: it doesn't just wanted to point that out :P [08:41] apachelogger: ah ok :) [08:41] also that is the wrong bug [08:42] ah bug 1296228 is the one agateau ^^ [08:42] bug 1296228 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "manual install second partition BOOM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1296228 [08:42] that sounds more like my stuff [08:48] d_ed: what would cause the google talk account creation stuff in ktp to be greyed out? [08:49] s/would/could [08:49] apachelogger: building qtwebkit atm, I don't dare opening firefox to read the bug report for now :) [08:50] agateau: probably a smart thing, I'd also close the IRC client tho :P [08:50] webkit is the best thing to build in a constraint build envrionment (say PPA builders ...) [08:51] e.g. IIRC neon5's qtwebkit is actually built without debug symbols because they cause OOM abortion like 99% of the time [08:51] yes, I might do this at some point [08:51] thought I noticed linking with gold helps [08:52] shadeslayer: "After clicking Apply to activate the newly selected driver, the process does not finish. I waited about five minutes then killed it. After opening Driver Management again, the new driver was selected." [08:52] shadeslayer: about driver manager, applying a driver change [08:52] apachelogger: lack of telepathy-gabble [08:52] * apachelogger checks deps [08:53] ohohoh, wait, haven't I seen that issue too [08:53] * apachelogger checks logs [08:53] ah yes [08:53] d_ed: what if gabble definitely was installed ^^ [08:55] FWIW we might be talking about the actual configuration window rather than the button ... the test comment is not exactly clear on that [08:55] killall mission-control-5 then open it again. [08:55] after that I have no idea [08:55] mh, ok [08:55] d_ed: thx :) [08:56] somehow the discover test case is weirdly sorted [08:56] * apachelogger wonders why [08:59] Riddell: about the nepomuk disabled test case on google docs... shouldn't nepomuk be removed (will be removed)? [08:59] interestingly that test case also has weird order of question/comments [09:02] Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a 1GB USB stick. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a larger USB drive, or a virtual machine. [09:02] exciting [09:02] we now have openjdk on the ISO it seems [09:04] because of ... wait for it... libreoffice [09:04] oh I eagerly await the day when we can have Calligra [09:05] ah, nevermind, [09:05] we not only have jdk [09:05] we also have libgnome *2* [09:05] because of openjdk [09:06] hah! [09:10] Timeout error [09:10] Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. [09:12] fun fact: the lo changelog on launchpad indicates no changes regarding java [09:13] yofel: true, however, I've commented out the code that figures out where qdbus resides, so that will lead to startup issues [09:22] apachelogger: how do I find out why a package is on the ISO? [09:25] packages are listed in the .manifest [09:25] sigh [09:26] mornings are definitely not my thing [09:26] shadeslayer: I look at the germs [09:26] mondays! mondays! [09:26] tsimpson: sure, but why? [09:26] tsimpson: I mean, that lists packages on the ISO, but sometimes I need to know why :) [09:26] oh why, sorry :p [09:26] shadeslayer: because of the germs [09:26] okie dokie [09:27] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.trusty/desktop http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.trusty/desktop-common [09:27] we need to seed qtchooser explicitly [09:27] or make kde-workspace depend on it [09:27] ah well, qdbus already pulls it in [09:27] * apachelogger looks at his whiteboard and sighs in despair [09:28] what's wrong? [09:28] shadeslayer: all utils do/should as the /usr/bin/foo thing is nothing but a link/caller for qtchooser [09:28] *nod* [09:28] and qtchooser then calls the appropriate architecture binary [09:28] apachelogger: was looking at 1295835 [09:28] bug 1295835 [09:28] bug 1295835 in qtchooser (Ubuntu) "qtchooser should have a fallback mechanism" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295835 [09:29] trying to figure out why installing qt5-default fixes the issue [09:29] iff some qt5 bit is installed the qtchooser config for qt5 likely will get installed and chosen over the qt4 one [09:30] yes, but that doesn't matter if I explicitly set QT_SELECT=4 correct? [09:30] or does that get overriden too :O [09:31] shadeslayer: nope, select should override anything [09:31] UNLESS qdbus-qt4 is not installed [09:31] so perhaps that needs to be explicitly seeded === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [09:33] already seeded [09:33] then that should not happen [09:35] it's puzzling yes [09:35] have the reporter strace it? [09:35] uninstall qdbus-qt5, set qt_select, strace qdbus [09:39] eh [09:39] this is interesting === slacker_1l is now known as slacker_nl [09:40] open driver manager kcm -> Select nvidia-331 -> hit apply -> install goes to 50% and then kcm reloads [09:40] and keeps reloading [09:50] apachelogger: yeah, driver manager is le broken [09:50] needs fixing ASAP [09:51] fancy [09:51] * apachelogger adds to todo -.- [09:54] apachelogger: nepomuk can't be removed because it needs to migrate, you might also want to turn it back on to e.g. get PMC to work [09:54] * apachelogger squints [09:55] I think that just gave me a stroke [09:55] kubotu: nowversion akonadi 1.11.90 [09:55] Riddell: patch PMC to offer starting the KCM? [09:55] it's multiple degrees of ugly to have both nepomuk and baloo in systemsettings [09:56] well, we removed the kcm from kde-runtime, do you want it back? [09:56] has the uglyness of having desktop search twice in ss [09:58] I tried to remove the nepmouk dep wherever else I could. nepomuk-widgets shouldn't be used by anything anymore, but nepomuk-core isn't so easy [09:58] it's what I said should not happen, according to Riddell's test case that is however what happens when upgrading [09:58] removing n-c from kactivites is rather scary [09:59] apachelogger: having two kcm's? Impossible if we don't ship the other one... [10:00] apachelogger: yofel has some some nepomuk removal work since I wrote that test case [10:01] ah [10:01] Riddell: please adjust test case then :P [10:21] apachelogger: know of anything else that's broken? [10:35] shadeslayer: everything [10:35] shadeslayer: where? [10:35] driver-manager? [10:37] no, known any other breakages apart from that [10:38] * mzanetti would know a bunch :D [10:38] shadeslayer: everywhere, take a look at the bug tracker :P [10:39] xD [10:39] shadeslayer: stuff that you broke specifically or other things? :P [10:40] xD [10:42] eh [10:42] shadeslayer: python3.4!!!@$!$!! [10:42] see mailing list [10:42] I thought you and yofel where on to that? [10:43] not... particulary. When I see apport I usually run away [10:44] ah yes [10:44] bug 1253071 [10:44] bug 1253071 in minidlna (Ubuntu) "FTBFS against libav9" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253071 [10:46] xnox: ^ the removal of gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg breaks kubuntu stuff [10:46] a lot [10:55] 'Morning folks [11:02] * shadeslayer starts looking at apport [11:02] we still use apport? [11:02] jussi: yeah, for non KDE apps [11:03] oh === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [12:02] wtf it's 1? [12:02] where did all the time go :O [12:51] ** beta freeze happening today, get your uploads in quick! [12:52] manchicken: is qapt and muon in the archive at good versions? [12:52] Riddell: I believe qapt is, but Harald put those in. [12:52] I'm still packaging-stupid. [12:53] manchicken: launchpad knows all :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt [12:53] manchicken: upload happened on 18th, that all good? [12:53] Riddell: anything I can do? or quiet due to freeze? [12:53] Let me look at the code [12:53] sgclark: akonadi pacakaging will make tsdgeos happy [12:53] I know (intimately) what the last change was. [12:54] Riddell: on it [12:54] kubotu: newversion akonadi 1.11.90 [12:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1296707 [12:54] Riddell: did you get calligra? [12:54] sgclark: now you've got a bug for it too :) ↑ [12:54] Riddell: Yeah, this is golden. [12:55] sgclark: yep thanks, e-mailed about some tidying I had to do [13:25] * shadeslayer waves fist [13:25] can't get apport to crash in pd [13:26] *pdb [13:31] Riddell: akonadi ready [13:33] sgclark: ubuntu one? any changes needed? [13:34] not in ubuntu one, in bzr? [13:35] bzr and no changes [13:35] sgclark: uploaded, thanks! [13:35] tsdgeos: any idea where akonadi releases get announced? they just seem to quietly appear [13:39] sgclark: two more needing done today, new homerun release and fiddling with phonon .pri files [13:40] Riddell: on it. what do you mean fiddling? [13:42] sgclark: the .pri files in phonon are installed incorrectly in .install files "debian/tmp-phonon-qt5/usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/qt_phonon4qt5.pri usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/" [13:42] which literally puts it into usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/ [13:42] needs custom install commands added to debian/rules [13:42] sgclark: which are you starting on? [13:42] ok [13:42] homerun [13:43] should be easy I think [13:45] Riddell: should this be fixed while I am packaging? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1275243 [13:45] Launchpad bug 1275243 in homerun (Ubuntu) "plasma-widget-homerun-kicker package should depend on plasma-widget-homerun" [Undecided,New] [13:46] sgclark: hmm, something should be fixed [13:46] sgclark: maybe it needs a common package for the shared files [13:46] ^^ [13:46] sgclark: ask Sho_ in #kde-devel to find the best way [13:49] apachelogger, shadeslayer: given freeze is imminent someone should start on gstreamer 1.0 support now, any volunteers or shall I do it? [13:49] go for it, I'm doing other stuff right now [13:50] I am not going to do it, or I will have to shoot myself [13:50] heh [13:51] just a overall crappy situation overall [13:51] Riddell: might be worth investigating if there are other packages that use QtWebkit and gst [13:51] because if they use QtWebkit + gst 0.10 things are going to crash [13:54] Riddell: They said they do not know ubuntu packaging but your solution for common package would be possible. Your call [13:57] sgclark: go for the common packaging approach [13:57] *common package [13:58] ok how do I determine what files are shared? [13:59] Riddell: no clue, ask dan [14:00] sgclark: check what files are used by both apps ? [14:00] homerunviewer is probably one [14:02] ohohoho [14:03] apachelogger: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2014-March/033929.html [14:06] is it batman [14:06] oh, it's not :/ [14:07] shadeslayer: that's not the same thign is it? [14:07] yes [14:07] we have code that did not change and is now going down in flames [14:07] that guy posted right after I did [14:07] yeah :/ [14:08] oh, true, same backtrace [14:09] might still have a different cause, as apparently that backtrace is iconic of stuff that is being destructed after being destructed or something ^^ === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [14:23] \o [14:41] hey guys someone has 13.10 ? [14:41] because i can't get tthe video preview on that too [14:41] i mean on the info panel of dolphin [14:42] i click play but on mp4 it doesn't work [14:42] mah [14:42] link me to a demo file and Ill test [14:45] jussi: youtube-dl -t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQuDUoTHEo #it should be very fast to download , and it should be MP4 [14:47] i am thinkin that it's a bug of kde 4.12 [14:49] i have installed kubuntu-restricted-extra and ubuntu-restricted-extra phonon-backend-vlc too [14:54] where the heck does the file disappear to ? [14:54] jussi: ?? [14:54] oh, weirdly named [14:54] anyway, works here [14:54] ah [14:55] Platform Version 4.12.3 [14:55] jussi: damn why in my machine it doesn't work [14:56] sigh [14:56] i have both virtuabl box with 13.10 and new 14.04 [15:04] jussi: did you install something of special ?= [15:05] apachelogger: did you figure out the k-d-m issue yet? [15:05] shadeslayer: haven't had a look [15:06] shadeslayer: but assuming my todo doesn't grow a 100% after mail reading tomorrow I probably can look into it and/or continue the refactor to get that out of the way [15:06] apachelogger: needs fixing today :S [15:06] shadeslayer: why [15:06] oh [15:06] are we freezing already [15:06] yes [15:07] today IIRC [15:07] pff [15:07] I doubt I'll get it tracked down in 50 minutes === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [15:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule [15:07] lemme try to reproduce it for starters [15:07] just try to install a driver :P [15:08] the entire day just slipped by :/ [15:08] I killed 4 todo items :P [15:08] by outsourcing, muhahaha [15:08] xD [15:09] shadeslayer: it's better if mondays go by fasterly [15:09] all I did today was the plasma meeting, read why displays servers matter and fix some Neon 5 ISO bugs [15:09] display servers matter? what? [15:10] http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-display-server-doesnt-matter.html [15:10] does windows have a display server as well? [15:10] http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/why-the-display-server-does-matter/ [15:10] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2014/03/more-on-why-display-server-does-matter.html [15:10] teaparty nonesense [15:10] what's the point of blogging about this at all [15:11] idk [15:11] and so much text [15:11] Oo [15:11] bikeshed much [15:11] * apachelogger watches a progressbar while the internet is being slow because ISO sync has just triggered -.- [15:11] aw [15:12] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pkdusquh4 [15:12] expressions get evaluated outside chroot [15:13] what? [15:13] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p1pgvtz91 [15:13] code inside neon-image [15:13] line 6 gets evaluated when the config is written [15:14] odd [15:14] not necessarily [15:14] depends on how the thing is used TBH [15:15] looking at the output I reckon you need some fancy escaping [15:15] but even so, it really very much all depends on how this is used in the image [15:16] shadeslayer: I see the broken driver thing [15:16] interestingly the dbus thingum doesn't sned anything when queried again [15:17] yeah [15:17] *shrug* [15:17] workaround [15:17] it also doesn't on refresh [15:17] makes this loads more debuggable ^^ [15:18] ah I know why [15:18] that's deliberate breakage [15:18] shadeslayer: will need fixing tomorrow [15:19] can't do that today, the problem is that with the current structure you have no state control [15:19] i.e. loading is dependent on qapt being inited [15:19] but initedness is not tracked etc. [15:19] half the stuff you said went over my head [15:19] so I suppose a hotfix, if you want to do one, is bool m_backendinitd; and check that in load() and xapianUpdateFinished() [15:20] shadeslayer: look at function xapianUpdateFinished [15:20] oh actually [15:20] shadeslayer: just call xapianUpdateFinished in load() [15:20] I think I already partially restructured, just forgot to rewire load() [15:23] apachelogger: fun http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/24/plasma-desktopKA2152.png [15:27] apachelogger: what's the branch to use for gstreamer 1.0 phonon support? [15:32] Riddell: 1.0-for-merge [15:33] or something like that [15:33] https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository/show?rev=1.0-porting-for-merge [15:34] shadeslayer: after install? [15:34] apachelogger: no, before [15:34] ah yes [15:34] shadeslayer: add a bool m_backendinit'd [15:34] no wait, that will also not work [15:35] it's the old mutual exlusion problem :P [15:35] :P [15:35] shadeslayer: just let it be :P [15:35] let it be broken today? [15:35] oh well [15:35] shadeslayer: it's not broken [15:35] it just has display state problems :P [15:36] 'looks' pretty broken xD [15:36] shadeslayer: what you can do is bool m_initialloaddone [15:36] or [15:36] no [15:36] also crap :P [15:36] or maybe [15:36] ah I dunno [15:36] shadeslayer: bool m_loading [15:36] fix it tomorrow [15:36] ISO release is later [15:37] we can upload bug fixes I suppose [15:37] set to true in xapianupdatefinished iff the qdbus wiring happens [15:37] Riddell: ^^ we'll need exception for this [15:37] set to false in gotDevices [15:37] that still has the timing issue [15:37] but if you want a hotfix today then you'll have to live with that :P [15:37] shadeslayer: who what? [15:38] Riddell: kubuntu-driver-manager is busted [15:38] can't install drivers [15:40] shadeslayer: seems like a problem, is someone fixing it? [15:40] apachelogger: no like "Phonon::GStreamer::Backend: Failed to initialize GStreamer" [15:40] Riddell: apachelogger [15:40] Riddell: make sure you have 1) QtWebkit built with gst1.0 [15:40] 2) various gstreamer 1.0 packages [15:40] else it's not going to work [15:41] hmm, dragon says it's worked after installing gstreamer1.0-plugins-good but it's not actually playing anything [15:41] having problems playing videos Riddell ? [15:42] Riddell: homerun ready in my ubuntu one. I tested both and they appear to function as expected now. [15:42] Riddell: again, needs Qtwebkit built with gstreamer 1.0 [15:42] I mean, it will NOT work without that [15:42] ahoneybun: I'm trying phonon-gstreamer1.0, I'm having problems playing anything [15:42] shadeslayer: dragon needs qtwebkit? [15:43] dragon needs kdeui which needs something which loads qtwebkit [15:43] I could never get anything to play in dragon [15:43] Riddell: pmap `pidof dragon' [15:43] even installed the restricted packages [15:43] Riddell: pmap `pidof dragon` [15:43] Riddell: pastebin that plz [15:44] shadeslayer: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pmap [15:44] is there still that debate about the two different gstreamer packages but really the same [15:45] ahoneybun: there's still gstreamer0.10 and gstreamer1.0 [15:49] shadeslayer, Riddell: oh yeah, on-demand plugin install of qapt is only compatible with gst0.10 that might matter [15:50] playing music might matter too :( [15:51] I mean saying you probably need more plugin packages [15:53] * Riddell installs more [15:56] apachelogger: ooh yay you're right [15:57] * apachelogger wonders how one wants to write 'am' and ends up with 'mean' [15:57] :) [16:22] Riddell: have you installed plugins-base [16:22] apachelogger: drunk autocorrecT? [16:25] Riddell: and gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio [16:26] Riddell: gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio is usually the one missing which causes all sorts of sound issues [16:29] yeah I think it was gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio which made it work [16:29] :) [16:30] Riddell: fixed .pri but have this unrelated lintian error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7147028/ [16:31] Riddell: good to know it's working [16:43] sgclark: does it mention phonon-dbg in debian/control ? [16:43] sgclark: and does phonon-dbg exist? [16:44] Riddell: yes and phonon-dbg suggests libphonon4qt5 [16:48] sgclark: oh it's libphonon4qt5 which doesn't exist [16:49] Riddell: oh it sshould be libphonon4qt5-4 [16:49] sounds about right [16:50] sgclark: also libphonon4qt5-4-dev.install is unused [16:50] Riddell: it is? there is stuff in there [16:52] sgclark: but there's no such package, the file is unused [16:52] libphonon4qt5-dev.install is used [16:53] oh right [16:53] * shadeslayer looks at yofel's firefox bug [16:56] yofel: okay that should be fixed upstream IMHI [16:56] *IMHO [16:57] I have no clue if that'll break regular themes or not [16:57] Riddell: did you see that homerun is in my ubuntu one? [16:58]