| BenC | infinity: *groan, apology* | 00:11 |
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| caribou_ | Do we build kernels for the arm64 architecture ? | 13:56 |
| apw | yes | 13:57 |
| rtg | caribou_, x-gene SOC and the arm64 simulator. see dannf for more info | 13:59 |
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| caribou | rtg: ok, thanks | 13:59 |
| sbeattie | bjf, ppisati: FYI, I added a couple of simple tests for bug 1295948 to QRT. This might fail for older releases on arm; if it does, please let me know, and I'll special case those. | 14:39 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1295948 in linux-manta (Ubuntu Trusty) "mako kernel doesn't support xattrs in the security namespace" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295948 | 14:39 |
| rtg | sbeattie, I uploaded fixes for that yesterday. Do the tests succeed now ? | 14:42 |
| sbeattie | rtg: I don't have access to a mako or manta device, and the people who do aren't online yet; I'll recheck with them later this morning. | 14:44 |
| rtg | sbeattie, k, thanks | 14:44 |
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| bjf | sbeattie, which kernel test set are these new tests part of ? kernel-security ? | 15:04 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon, I was wondering if the Saucy kernel support the tickless timer. | 15:07 |
| sbeattie | bjf: yes, kernel-security | 15:16 |
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| rtg | apw, hmm, I don't think 3.13.7 was built for powerpc unless its some cruft that we've added. | 17:02 |
| rtg | maybe its just missing an include | 17:04 |
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| apw | rtg, yeah not build tested it on anything other than x86 yet | 17:06 |
| apw | we do have a fair bit of tat on the top sadly | 17:07 |
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| vlad_starkov | QUESTION: Can't boot on freshly installed 12.04.4 64bit. Got multiple CPU soft lockup messages. Could someone point me how to boot in verbose/debug mode to figure out what's going on? | 17:18 |
| \sh | guys, what's the right way to adjust some config settings in the ubuntu linux source pkg, besides adjusting debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu ... especially the part how to produce the source package for it... | 17:33 |
| bjf | vlad_starkov, you want to remove the "quiet spash" options from the boot command line | 17:36 |
| vlad_starkov | bjf: I have 12.04.4 64Bit Server | 17:36 |
| vlad_starkov | bjf: where can I get full list of kernel boot parameters that my system support? This link https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt does not contain some of them. For example in this article https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot says about "debug=vc" param. Another example is "nomodeset" param that Ubuntu supports but which is not included in the kernel-parameters.txt. | 17:43 |
| bjf | vlad_starkov, i don't know of a complete list | 17:44 |
| vlad_starkov | bjf: Ok | 17:45 |
| arges | apw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7147434/ test case | 18:03 |
| JanC | \sh: ah, so I'm not the only one trying to figure out how the linux package spaghetti works? :) | 18:07 |
| \sh | JanC, nope...I found this: http://blog.avirtualhome.com/how-to-compile-a-new-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-kernel/ but somehow this is not true anymore, it bails out with a lot of 'no permissions' error, because scripts are not 755 at least | 18:09 |
| JanC | \sh: you have to chmod some scripts | 18:10 |
| bjf | \sh what exactly are you trying to do? | 18:10 |
| JanC | "chmod a+x" on "debian/scripts/*" & "debian/scripts/misc/*" | 18:11 |
| \sh | bjf, I need to find a good and easy way, to add some kernel config settings into the ubuntu kernel source package (linux ;)) and then something like 'debuild -S -sa' and feeding it into sbuild but the usual way of rebuilding source packages is not true for the linux kernel package | 18:11 |
| \sh | JanC, well, yes, but it feels broken^Wwrong? ;) | 18:12 |
| JanC | but it's documented: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel | 18:12 |
| \sh | bjf, so changing debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu is first step. | 18:12 |
| JanC | (not much else about it is documented) | 18:12 |
| \sh | JanC, agreed...I'll try...but building the un-changed linux debian source tree from ubuntu results in i.e. empty linux-source-<version>_<deb_version> package | 18:14 |
| apw | \sh do you care abuot hte linux-source pacakge ? | 18:14 |
| \sh | means: dget linux*.dsc from launchpad, and just sbuild -A -d <my schroot> *.dsc | 18:14 |
| \sh | apw, not really, but I want the same binary packages when I build from source. | 18:14 |
| apw | and most likely that is because the packaging eliminates the things you arn't likely to need if you arn't on a real builld | 18:15 |
| apw | \sh so you need to set full_build=true to avoid those smarts | 18:15 |
| \sh | apw, I have my sbuild with buildd variant ... and where do I set full_build=true? | 18:15 |
| \sh | injecting to sbuild? | 18:16 |
| apw | \sh not sure, never have wanted to | 18:16 |
| apw | build the debug, src etc packages when building for myself | 18:16 |
| apw | you could also add "/CurrentlyBuilding" with "Build-Debug-Symbols: yes" in it to your chrrot, which better simulates what a real buildd has in its environemnt | 18:17 |
| apw | but expect the build to take a heck of a lot longer | 18:17 |
| apw | \sh, you can probabally do that via a --pre-build-command or something | 18:20 |
| \sh | well actually I just need to add CONFIG_SOUND_OSS_CORE = y and CONFIG_SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM=y and CONFIG_SOUND_PRIME=y set because this is missing for my project in our ubuntu generic kernel...and yes I know it seems deprecated, but I need it :) | 18:33 |
| infinity | \sh: Those are more than deprecated, they actively break some bits of userspace, which is why we have them disabled. | 18:43 |
| apw | cirtainly you'll need to futz with pulseaudio to make it not collide majorly with oss | 18:44 |
| antarus | I thought there was some weird userspace oss emulation availble | 18:44 |
| infinity | antarus: There is, and it doesn't work if you have CONFIG_SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM=y | 18:44 |
| \sh | infinity, well, I don't need the kernel for a 'desktop' usecase...it's a particular piece of HW I need to support, and it's only running on those :) and if we can do that with gentoo, I am sure I am able to produce a nice ubuntu/debian package with this ;) | 18:44 |
| \sh | apw, no pulseaudio involved on this hardware | 18:45 |
| ogra_ | geez, think of lennart ! | 18:45 |
| infinity | Heh. | 18:45 |
| apw | well clearly it is being done wrong, if you don't need systemd-pulseaudio | 18:46 |
| \sh | ogra_, I am in berlin now, so I can complain personally ;) | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | heh | 18:46 |
| * apw thinks about stopping using systemd-his-keyboard pretty soon | 18:46 | |
| * ogra_ waits for systemd-bash | 18:47 | |
| apw | if you think you need shell access ... sigh | 18:47 |
| \sh | ogra_, and I didn't like the decision which we announced...but that's just eventually me | 18:47 |
| infinity | I suspect Kai and Lennart won't be able to absorb any FSF projects, so we're safe there. | 18:47 |
| antarus | ogra_: systemd-dash | 18:47 |
| infinity | (But they might NIH a new libc and POSIX shell instead!) | 18:47 |
| ogra_ | antarus, oh, right, we're ubuntu :P | 18:47 |
| antarus | infinity: we have some hardware that has no X, but uses OSS emulation to provide beeps to the operator | 18:48 |
| antarus | its pretty classy stuff | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | but systemd-dash wont need a binary compiled ~/.bashrc | 18:48 |
| infinity | antarus: Anything that beeps is okay in my book. | 18:48 |
| antarus | .bashrc.c | 18:48 |
| antarus | I'm liking where this is headed | 18:48 |
| * infinity heads out for systemd-breakfast. | 18:49 | |
| \sh | ogra_, systemd-dash needs a byte-compiled .dashrc written hacklang (http://hacklang.org/) ;) | 18:49 |
| antarus | \sh: too far sir, too far | 18:50 |
| \sh | it's from facebook...so it must be good ;) | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | \sh, nah. in german please ... http://esolangs.org/wiki/German | 18:50 |
| \sh | ogra_, oh man...I just had a schnitzel today and now a beer...so, if ( schnitzel & beer)== beerschnitzel then result = bretzel? | 18:52 |
| JanC | Plankalkül? | 18:52 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 18:52 |
| \sh | looks like my 8 core workstation has some fun...when I see 8 cores piling up to 50% cpu time...I think 3 kernel compiles at a time is no good | 18:53 |
| ogra_ | you still have 50% left then | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | not that bad ... | 18:54 |
| JanC | that hello world example is pretty stupid, at least they could have taken the time to write a story in German containing those words :p | 18:54 |
| \sh | anyone wants to work for BMW ? just got an offer from a headhunter... | 18:54 |
| antarus | is that in germany? | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | doe they pay in schitzel and beer ? | 18:55 |
| \sh | I hope in hard Europ | 18:55 |
| \sh | well EUR ;) | 18:55 |
| \sh | antarus, germany yes | 18:55 |
| antarus | I suppose knowing german is a requirement | 18:56 |
| antarus | so I'm out ;p | 18:56 |
| ogra_ | nah, thats in bavaria | 18:56 |
| ogra_ | they dont know german either | 18:56 |
| antarus | touche | 18:56 |
| antarus | I lived in munich for 6 months and still didn't learn | 18:56 |
| * antarus is a terrible person | 18:56 | |
| \sh | antarus, I am working in an office in germany where german is not pre-requisite, english is much better | 18:56 |
| JanC | I'm pretty sure English is okay in such an international company | 18:57 |
| JanC | or probably even a requirement | 18:57 |
| \sh | and no private life...for sure, while working with the SoCal guys...I feel Jonos pain every day | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | private life is overrated, it only only has the risk in it that you get spyed on by NSA ... | 18:58 |
| \sh | ogra_, hope I see you at linuxtag 2014 here in berlin :) | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | i'll try my best | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | i need to come over anyway ... but my cars are all down atm | 18:59 |
| \sh | ogra_, there is still the train ;) but cool...we can have some nice dinner and drinks with dholbach ;) | 19:01 |
| ogra_ | yep | 19:01 |
| \sh | time to head home...tomorrow I have flat inspection...hopefully I have the flat rented from next week on :) | 19:06 |
| \sh | thanks for the help btw | 19:06 |
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| apw | rtg, i've pushed the daemon cleanup for the hv-kvp stuff, plus the meta change ... | 20:06 |
| rtg | apw, ack. | 20:07 |
| rtg | apw, I suppose I should upload this pile tonight. | 20:08 |
| apw | rtg, arn't we past the freeze now | 20:09 |
| apw | ie it'll have to wait till fri or so | 20:09 |
| rtg | they'll just hold it for a couple days | 20:09 |
| apw | yeah there is that i guess indeed | 20:09 |
| rtg | maybe I'll finish up the config changes first | 20:09 |
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