[00:11] <BenC> infinity: *groan, apology*
[13:56] <caribou_> Do we build kernels for the arm64 architecture ?
[13:57] <apw> yes
[13:59] <rtg> caribou_, x-gene SOC and the arm64 simulator. see dannf for more info
[13:59] <caribou> rtg: ok, thanks
[14:39] <sbeattie> bjf, ppisati: FYI, I added a couple of simple tests for bug 1295948 to QRT. This might fail for older releases on arm; if it does, please let me know, and I'll special case those.
[14:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295948 in linux-manta (Ubuntu Trusty) "mako kernel doesn't support xattrs in the security namespace" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1295948
[14:42] <rtg> sbeattie, I uploaded fixes for that yesterday. Do the tests succeed now ?
[14:44] <sbeattie> rtg: I don't have access to a mako or manta device, and the people who do aren't online yet; I'll recheck with them later this morning.
[14:44] <rtg> sbeattie, k, thanks
[15:04] <bjf> sbeattie, which kernel test set are these new tests part of ? kernel-security ?
[15:07] <lordievader> Good afternoon, I was wondering if the Saucy kernel support the tickless timer.
[15:16] <sbeattie> bjf: yes, kernel-security
[17:02] <rtg> apw, hmm, I don't think 3.13.7 was built for powerpc unless its some cruft that we've added.
[17:04] <rtg> maybe its just missing an include
[17:06] <apw> rtg, yeah not build tested it on anything other than x86 yet
[17:07] <apw> we do have a fair bit of tat on the top sadly
[17:18] <vlad_starkov> QUESTION: Can't boot on freshly installed 12.04.4 64bit. Got multiple CPU soft lockup messages. Could someone point me how to boot in verbose/debug mode to figure out what's going on?
[17:33] <\sh> guys, what's the right way to adjust some config settings in the ubuntu linux source pkg, besides adjusting debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu ... especially the part how to produce the source package for it...
[17:36] <bjf> vlad_starkov, you want to remove the "quiet spash" options from the boot command line
[17:36] <vlad_starkov> bjf: I have 12.04.4 64Bit Server
[17:43] <vlad_starkov> bjf: where can I get full list of kernel boot parameters that my system support? This link https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt does not contain some of them. For example in this article https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot says about "debug=vc" param. Another example is "nomodeset" param that Ubuntu supports but which is not included in the kernel-parameters.txt.
[17:44] <bjf> vlad_starkov, i don't know of a complete list
[17:45] <vlad_starkov> bjf: Ok
[18:03] <arges> apw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7147434/ test case
[18:07] <JanC> \sh: ah, so I'm not the only one trying to figure out how the linux package spaghetti works?  :)
[18:09] <\sh> JanC, nope...I found this: http://blog.avirtualhome.com/how-to-compile-a-new-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-kernel/ but somehow this is not true anymore, it bails out with a lot of 'no permissions' error, because scripts are not 755 at least
[18:10] <JanC> \sh: you have to chmod some scripts
[18:10] <bjf> \sh what exactly are you trying to do?
[18:11] <JanC> "chmod a+x" on "debian/scripts/*" & "debian/scripts/misc/*"
[18:11] <\sh> bjf, I need to find a good and easy way, to add some kernel config settings into  the ubuntu kernel source package (linux ;)) and then something like 'debuild -S -sa' and feeding it into sbuild but the usual way of rebuilding source packages is not true for the linux kernel package
[18:12] <\sh> JanC, well, yes, but it feels broken^Wwrong? ;)
[18:12] <JanC> but it's documented: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[18:12] <\sh> bjf, so changing debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu is first step.
[18:12] <JanC> (not much else about it is documented)
[18:14] <\sh> JanC, agreed...I'll try...but building the un-changed linux debian source tree from ubuntu results in i.e. empty linux-source-<version>_<deb_version> package
[18:14] <apw> \sh do you care abuot hte linux-source pacakge ?
[18:14] <\sh> means: dget linux*.dsc from launchpad, and just sbuild -A -d <my schroot> *.dsc 
[18:14] <\sh> apw, not really, but I want the same binary packages when I build from source.
[18:15] <apw> and most likely that is because the packaging eliminates the things you arn't likely to need if you arn't on a real builld
[18:15] <apw> \sh so you need to set full_build=true to avoid those smarts
[18:15] <\sh> apw, I have my sbuild with buildd variant ... and where do I set full_build=true?
[18:16] <\sh> injecting to sbuild?
[18:16] <apw> \sh not sure, never have wanted to 
[18:16] <apw> build the debug, src etc packages when building for myself
[18:17] <apw> you could also add "/CurrentlyBuilding" with "Build-Debug-Symbols: yes" in it to your chrrot, which better simulates what a real buildd has in its environemnt
[18:17] <apw> but expect the build to take a heck of a lot longer
[18:20] <apw> \sh, you can probabally do that via a --pre-build-command or something
[18:33] <\sh> well actually I just need to add CONFIG_SOUND_OSS_CORE = y and CONFIG_SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM=y and CONFIG_SOUND_PRIME=y set because this is missing for my project in our ubuntu generic kernel...and yes I know it seems deprecated, but I need it :)
[18:43] <infinity> \sh: Those are more than deprecated, they actively break some bits of userspace, which is why we have them disabled.
[18:44] <apw> cirtainly you'll need to futz with pulseaudio to make it not collide majorly with oss
[18:44] <antarus> I thought there was some weird userspace oss emulation availble
[18:44] <infinity> antarus: There is, and it doesn't work if you have CONFIG_SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM=y
[18:44] <\sh> infinity, well, I don't need the kernel for a 'desktop' usecase...it's a particular piece of HW I need to support, and it's only running on those :) and if we can do that with gentoo, I am sure I am able to produce a nice ubuntu/debian package with this ;) 
[18:45] <\sh> apw, no pulseaudio involved on this hardware
[18:45] <ogra_> geez, think of lennart !
[18:45] <infinity> Heh.
[18:46] <apw> well clearly it is being done wrong, if you don't need systemd-pulseaudio
[18:46] <\sh> ogra_, I am in berlin now, so I can complain personally  ;) 
[18:46] <ogra_> heh
[18:46]  * apw thinks about stopping using systemd-his-keyboard pretty soon
[18:47]  * ogra_ waits for systemd-bash
[18:47] <apw> if you think you need shell access ... sigh
[18:47] <\sh> ogra_, and I didn't like the decision which we announced...but that's just eventually me
[18:47] <infinity> I suspect Kai and Lennart won't be able to absorb any FSF projects, so we're safe there.
[18:47] <antarus> ogra_: systemd-dash
[18:47] <infinity> (But they might NIH a new libc and POSIX shell instead!)
[18:47] <ogra_> antarus, oh, right, we're ubuntu :P
[18:48] <antarus> infinity: we have some hardware that has no X, but uses OSS emulation to provide beeps to the operator
[18:48] <antarus> its pretty classy stuff
[18:48] <ogra_> but systemd-dash wont need a binary compiled ~/.bashrc 
[18:48] <infinity> antarus: Anything that beeps is okay in my book.
[18:48] <antarus> .bashrc.c
[18:48] <antarus> I'm liking where this is headed
[18:49]  * infinity heads out for systemd-breakfast.
[18:49] <\sh> ogra_, systemd-dash needs a byte-compiled .dashrc written hacklang (http://hacklang.org/) ;) 
[18:50] <antarus> \sh: too far sir, too far
[18:50] <\sh> it's from facebook...so it must be good ;)
[18:50] <ogra_> \sh, nah. in german please ... http://esolangs.org/wiki/German
[18:52] <\sh> ogra_, oh man...I just had a schnitzel today and now a beer...so, if ( schnitzel & beer)== beerschnitzel then result = bretzel?
[18:52] <JanC> Plankalkül?
[18:52] <ogra_> ++
[18:53] <\sh> looks like my 8 core workstation has some fun...when I see 8 cores piling up to 50% cpu time...I think 3 kernel compiles at a time is no good 
[18:54] <ogra_> you still have 50% left then 
[18:54] <ogra_> not that bad ... 
[18:54] <JanC> that hello world example is pretty stupid, at least they could have taken the time to write a story in German containing those words  :p
[18:54] <\sh> anyone wants to work for BMW ? just got an offer from a headhunter...
[18:55] <antarus> is that in germany?
[18:55] <ogra_> doe they pay in schitzel and beer ?
[18:55] <\sh> I hope in hard Europ
[18:55] <\sh> well EUR ;)
[18:55] <\sh> antarus, germany yes
[18:56] <antarus> I suppose knowing german is a requirement
[18:56] <antarus> so I'm out ;p
[18:56] <ogra_> nah, thats in bavaria
[18:56] <ogra_> they dont know german either
[18:56] <antarus> touche
[18:56] <antarus> I lived in munich for 6 months and still didn't learn
[18:56]  * antarus is a terrible person
[18:56] <\sh> antarus, I am working in an office in germany where german is not pre-requisite, english is much better
[18:57] <JanC> I'm pretty sure English is okay in such an international company
[18:57] <JanC> or probably even a requirement
[18:57] <\sh> and no private life...for sure, while working with the SoCal guys...I feel Jonos pain every day 
[18:58] <ogra_> private life is overrated, it only only has the risk in it that you get spyed on by NSA ... 
[18:59] <\sh> ogra_, hope I see you at linuxtag 2014 here in berlin :) 
[18:59] <ogra_> i'll try my best 
[18:59] <ogra_> i need to come over anyway ... but my cars are all down atm
[19:01] <\sh> ogra_, there is still the train ;) but cool...we can have some nice dinner and drinks with dholbach ;)
[19:01] <ogra_> yep
[19:06] <\sh> time to head home...tomorrow I have flat inspection...hopefully I have the flat rented from next week on :)
[19:06] <\sh> thanks for the help btw
[20:06] <apw> rtg, i've pushed the daemon cleanup for the hv-kvp stuff, plus the meta change ... 
[20:07] <rtg> apw, ack.
[20:08] <rtg> apw, I suppose I should upload this pile tonight.
[20:09] <apw> rtg, arn't we past the freeze now
[20:09] <apw> ie it'll have to wait till fri or so 
[20:09] <rtg> they'll just hold it for a couple days
[20:09] <apw> yeah there is that i guess indeed
[20:09] <rtg> maybe I'll finish up the config changes first