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rmg51Morning09:23
waltmanmorning11:39
ChinnoDogmorning11:49
jedijfcold_morning11:53
teddy-dbearMorning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else12:04
InHisNamemornin'12:40
lazyPowero/14:13
MutantTurkeyornin~14:26
MutantTurkeywhy the hell are all large channel like #bash, #c and #python full of pedantic assholes?14:29
MutantTurkeyi got kicked from python for saying 'lol' in my sentance cause that's noise. i get shit on because my question is 'about an implmentation of c, not the language spec itself so therefore not relevant' in #c, and in #bash, apparently discussing how to overcome a python issue with bash, is not related to bash14:30
MutantTurkeylike - f them. why be so negative? you don't have to go on irc, or answer every question or statement ever, so what is it?14:31
MutantTurkeydo you just love to lord over random people? does it make you feel big and tough?14:31
MutantTurkey /endrant14:31
waltmanMutantTurkey: You left out #perl :)14:32
MutantTurkeyseriously14:36
MutantTurkeyi don't geti t!14:36
KyleYankan##hamradio is the worst with that. "If you don't know how to build the antenna, jsut buy it, it's only $30, DUH"14:55
KyleYankana week later" Hey guys, I bought $x antenna and.." - "WHY WOULD YOU BUY AN ANTENNA, JUST BUILD IT, IDIOT"14:56
jedijfthat's only because of the dementia......they forgot15:00
KyleYankan^ hehe15:01
JonathanDKyleYankan: I ask most of my questions here, or plug, or hive.15:01
JonathanDKyleYankan: and this is largely why.15:01
JonathanDKyleYankan: I feel like community groups provide far better support than most support channels tend to.15:01
KyleYankanSo, what $<200 HF rig do you reccomend? I'd love CW, but SSB would be really lovely. QRP obviously OK.15:01
KyleYankan:-P15:01
jedijfKyleYankan: at that number, the closest is the new chinese mk1 iirc - like jims 817, but ugly, about 4 - but half the cost of the 81715:07
jedijfhttp://www.wouxun.us/item.php?item_id=30215:08
jedijfscreen is nice - buttons/knobs are ugly15:08
JonathanDKyleYankan: my new rig: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pj0czv6qutdoh0f/2014-03-22%2013.58.08.jpg15:09
JonathanDKyleYankan: a little older, though.15:10
KyleYankanjedijf: nice man. Also my easy-digi came today15:10
KyleYankanJonathanD: Meh, I wanted something to hike with :-P15:11
KyleYankanjedijf: That's the one I've been eyeballing. If this thing at work comes through I might go with an Ft-817 though.15:13
jedijfKyleYankan: hmmm. I would think carefully, you can always turn down power - i would 85715:14
jedijffor that kind of $$15:14
jedijfhave the 100 when/if needed15:14
KyleYankantrueskies15:15
KyleYankanwe'll see. my summer-toy15:17
KyleYankanReally want to nail code before i invest15:17
JonathanDKyleYankan: you can hike with that.15:25
JonathanDKyleYankan: if by hike you mean sail.15:25
JonathanDand if by sail you mean dive.15:25
KyleYankanDIVE DIVE DIVE15:26
KyleYankanJonathanD: get your G-D ham ticket15:26
JonathanDhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/USS_Grayback%3B0857404.jpg15:26
JonathanDKyleYankan: it's from one of that (same class anyway).15:26
JonathanDKyleYankan: diesel nuclear missle submarine.15:26
JonathanDthat is a confusing statement... diesel submarine, with nuclear missles.15:27
KyleYankanheh15:27
KyleYankanbut... get your ticket15:28
JonathanDKyleYankan: I have my ticket.15:28
JonathanDTo the submarine.15:29
KyleYankanslacker15:29
JonathanDIt's on the inside pocket of my jacket.15:29
waltmanq: is it still "sailing" if you're underwater?17:28
JonathanDwaltman: well, submarines have a sail, so...17:35
waltmanthey do?18:04
MutantTurkeygtotta rdie the waves..18:21
ChinnoDogAny Evernote enthusiasts in here?19:15
pleia2I like their logo19:19
jedijfenthusiast - not sure - but my phone note method19:27
jedijfyes19:27
jedijfwell, actually not anymore, but used to be19:27
jedijfnow i just use S memo19:27
ChinnoDog:-/ I am considering switching to it from OneNote but the formatting text support is practically nonexistant.19:30
ChinnoDogI can't even have multiple columns.20:03
KyleYankanwaltman: a submarine sail is the conning tower, the large structure on top that acts as a vertical stabilzier - stopping the submarine from spinning about in opposition ot the rotor20:21
waltmanit's not really a "sail" though20:34
waltmanmore of a big fin thing20:34
KyleYankanThis is tru. But so are sails?20:34
waltmanI think of a "sail" as a device to catch the wind and use it to move the boat.20:35
waltmanthe conning tower looks a bit like a sail, but its function is completely different20:35
JonathanD19 February: Strong winds overpowered the improvised steering and left her with her bow pointed toward Tokyo. Sprague later confessed: "Right then I wasn't interested in going in that direction." At this point the crew made a jury-rig sail of wood, cargo nets, and canvas to further increase her headsail, allowing Intrepid to hold her course.20:36
waltmanthe conning tower's more of a dorsal fin20:36
waltmanhmm, apparently 'sail' can also be used to describe things that merely resemble sails.20:38
* waltman consults the OED20:39
waltmanhttp://www.bornrich.com/secret-submarine-base-sale-175-million.html20:42
ChinnoDogDoes "sail" predate boats?20:48
waltmanboats predate English by millennia20:49
waltmanthe first ref in the oed is from 88820:49
ChinnoDogI mean that the origin of the word could predate sailing boats.20:50
waltman"The ulterior origin is obscure. No certainly equivalent form is known outside Germanic..."20:52
waltmanit's from Old English segel20:52
waltmanIt seems REALLY unlikely to me20:52
waltmanagain, the Egyptians were sailing along the Nile in like 2-3000 BC.20:53
waltmanI'm pretty sure there weren't Germans then.20:53
ChinnoDogBut what did they call their sails?20:53
waltmanI'm pretty sure Egyptian and German are quite different languages...20:56
waltmanI'm also pretty sure that if Egyptian had a similar word, the OED would have noted it.20:57
waltmanwhat part of "No certainly equivalent form is known outside Germanic" are you having trouble with?20:57
ChinnoDoghttp://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=sail21:04
ChinnoDogThat says OED referred to proto-indo-european root "sek"21:04
ChinnoDog"to cut". So, it must have always had something to do with pieces of cloth.21:05
waltmanChinnoDog: I don't understand why you'd even think that would be likely. Mankind's been using sails for at least 8000 years, and a LOT of languages have come and gone in that time. The chances that the word English happens to use would be at all related to what the Egyptians and Phonecians were using seems vanishingly small.22:17
jedijfso all of this predates Christopher Cross?23:24
jedijfare we certain?23:24
pleia2jedijf++23:25
waltmanjedijf: not to mention Styx23:57

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