[09:23] <rmg51> Morning
[11:39] <waltman> morning
[11:49] <ChinnoDog> morning
[11:53] <jedijf> cold_morning
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:40] <InHisName> mornin'
[14:13] <lazyPower> o/
[14:26] <MutantTurkey> ornin~
[14:29] <MutantTurkey> why the hell are all large channel like #bash, #c and #python full of pedantic assholes?
[14:30] <MutantTurkey> i got kicked from python for saying 'lol' in my sentance cause that's noise. i get shit on because my question is 'about an implmentation of c, not the language spec itself so therefore not relevant' in #c, and in #bash, apparently discussing how to overcome a python issue with bash, is not related to bash
[14:31] <MutantTurkey> like - f them. why be so negative? you don't have to go on irc, or answer every question or statement ever, so what is it?
[14:31] <MutantTurkey> do you just love to lord over random people? does it make you feel big and tough?
[14:31] <MutantTurkey>  /endrant
[14:32] <waltman> MutantTurkey: You left out #perl :)
[14:36] <MutantTurkey> seriously
[14:36] <MutantTurkey> i don't geti t!
[14:55] <KyleYankan> ##hamradio is the worst with that. "If you don't know how to build the antenna, jsut buy it, it's only $30, DUH"
[14:56] <KyleYankan> a week later" Hey guys, I bought $x antenna and.." - "WHY WOULD YOU BUY AN ANTENNA, JUST BUILD IT, IDIOT"
[15:00] <jedijf> that's only because of the dementia......they forgot
[15:01] <KyleYankan> ^ hehe
[15:01] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: I ask most of my questions here, or plug, or hive.
[15:01] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: and this is largely why.
[15:01] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: I feel like community groups provide far better support than most support channels tend to.
[15:01] <KyleYankan> So, what $<200 HF rig do you reccomend? I'd love CW, but SSB would be really lovely. QRP obviously OK.
[15:01] <KyleYankan> :-P
[15:07] <jedijf> KyleYankan: at that number, the closest is the new chinese mk1 iirc - like jims 817, but ugly, about 4 - but half the cost of the 817
[15:08] <jedijf> http://www.wouxun.us/item.php?item_id=302
[15:08] <jedijf> screen is nice - buttons/knobs are ugly
[15:09] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: my new rig: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pj0czv6qutdoh0f/2014-03-22%2013.58.08.jpg
[15:10] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: a little older, though.
[15:10] <KyleYankan> jedijf: nice man. Also my easy-digi came today
[15:11] <KyleYankan> JonathanD: Meh, I wanted something to hike with :-P
[15:13] <KyleYankan> jedijf: That's the one I've been eyeballing. If this thing at work comes through I might go with an Ft-817 though.
[15:14] <jedijf> KyleYankan: hmmm. I would think carefully, you can always turn down power - i would 857
[15:14] <jedijf> for that kind of $$
[15:14] <jedijf> have the 100 when/if needed
[15:15] <KyleYankan> trueskies
[15:17] <KyleYankan> we'll see. my summer-toy
[15:17] <KyleYankan> Really want to nail code before i invest
[15:25] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: you can hike with that.
[15:25] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: if by hike you mean sail.
[15:25] <JonathanD> and if by sail you mean dive.
[15:26] <KyleYankan> DIVE DIVE DIVE
[15:26] <KyleYankan> JonathanD: get your G-D ham ticket
[15:26] <JonathanD> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/USS_Grayback%3B0857404.jpg
[15:26] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: it's from one of that (same class anyway).
[15:26] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: diesel nuclear missle submarine.
[15:27] <JonathanD> that is a confusing statement... diesel submarine, with nuclear missles.
[15:27] <KyleYankan> heh
[15:28] <KyleYankan> but... get your ticket
[15:28] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: I have my ticket.
[15:29] <JonathanD> To the submarine.
[15:29] <KyleYankan> slacker
[15:29] <JonathanD> It's on the inside pocket of my jacket.
[17:28] <waltman> q: is it still "sailing" if you're underwater?
[17:35] <JonathanD> waltman: well, submarines have a sail, so...
[18:04] <waltman> they do?
[18:21] <MutantTurkey> gtotta rdie the waves..
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> Any Evernote enthusiasts in here?
[19:19] <pleia2> I like their logo
[19:27] <jedijf> enthusiast - not sure - but my phone note method
[19:27] <jedijf> yes
[19:27] <jedijf> well, actually not anymore, but used to be
[19:27] <jedijf> now i just use S memo
[19:30] <ChinnoDog> :-/ I am considering switching to it from OneNote but the formatting text support is practically nonexistant.
[20:03] <ChinnoDog> I can't even have multiple columns.
[20:21] <KyleYankan> waltman: a submarine sail is the conning tower, the large structure on top that acts as a vertical stabilzier - stopping the submarine from spinning about in opposition ot the rotor
[20:34] <waltman> it's not really a "sail" though
[20:34] <waltman> more of a big fin thing
[20:34] <KyleYankan> This is tru. But so are sails?
[20:35] <waltman> I think of a "sail" as a device to catch the wind and use it to move the boat.
[20:35] <waltman> the conning tower looks a bit like a sail, but its function is completely different
[20:36] <JonathanD> 19 February: Strong winds overpowered the improvised steering and left her with her bow pointed toward Tokyo. Sprague later confessed: "Right then I wasn't interested in going in that direction." At this point the crew made a jury-rig sail of wood, cargo nets, and canvas to further increase her headsail, allowing Intrepid to hold her course.
[20:36] <waltman> the conning tower's more of a dorsal fin
[20:38] <waltman> hmm, apparently 'sail' can also be used to describe things that merely resemble sails.
[20:39]  * waltman consults the OED
[20:42] <waltman> http://www.bornrich.com/secret-submarine-base-sale-175-million.html
[20:48] <ChinnoDog> Does "sail" predate boats?
[20:49] <waltman> boats predate English by millennia
[20:49] <waltman> the first ref in the oed is from 888
[20:50] <ChinnoDog> I mean that the origin of the word could predate sailing boats.
[20:52] <waltman> "The ulterior origin is obscure. No certainly equivalent form is known outside Germanic..."
[20:52] <waltman> it's from Old English segel
[20:52] <waltman> It seems REALLY unlikely to me
[20:53] <waltman> again, the Egyptians were sailing along the Nile in like 2-3000 BC.
[20:53] <waltman> I'm pretty sure there weren't Germans then.
[20:53] <ChinnoDog> But what did they call their sails?
[20:56] <waltman> I'm pretty sure Egyptian and German are quite different languages...
[20:57] <waltman> I'm also pretty sure that if Egyptian had a similar word, the OED would have noted it.
[20:57] <waltman> what part of "No certainly equivalent form is known outside Germanic" are you having trouble with?
[21:04] <ChinnoDog> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=sail
[21:04] <ChinnoDog> That says OED referred to proto-indo-european root "sek"
[21:05] <ChinnoDog> "to cut". So, it must have always had something to do with pieces of cloth.
[22:17] <waltman> ChinnoDog: I don't understand why you'd even think that would be likely. Mankind's been using sails for at least 8000 years, and a LOT of languages have come and gone in that time. The chances that the word English happens to use would be at all related to what the Egyptians and Phonecians were using seems vanishingly small.
[23:24] <jedijf> so all of this predates Christopher Cross?
[23:24] <jedijf> are we certain?
[23:25] <pleia2> jedijf++
[23:57] <waltman> jedijf: not to mention Styx