[06:33] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:33] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[06:35] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93 Spekko 
[06:37] <Kilos> Squirm, you here?
[06:38] <Spekko> morning Kilos
[06:38] <Squirm> hey
[06:39] <Kilos> i need some info please Squirm , i lost QA and dunno how to restart her if i cant see her
[06:40] <Kilos> when you have time is fine
[06:41] <Kilos> she is running but forgot to join my channel
[06:41] <Kilos> stupid cow
[06:41] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[06:44] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:52] <Kilos> QA, wb
[06:52] <QA> Ya ya man I'm not the one disconnecting or crashing the pc
[06:58] <jabberwocky93> morning Kilos
[06:59] <jabberwocky93> o/ all
[07:05] <Kilos> QA, coffee on
[07:05]  * QA puts the kettle on
[07:09] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:10] <Kilos> QA, ty
[07:10] <QA> You're welcome Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> hi georgl  your bot is missing
[08:01] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[09:21] <magespawn> good day 
[09:21] <Kilos> hi there magespawn 
[09:23] <magespawn> hey Kilos, whats up/
[09:23] <Kilos> smae old. just different day
[09:23] <Kilos> and you?
[09:23] <Kilos> s/smae/same
[09:25] <Kilos> oh and no maaz and meeting tomorrow night
[09:25] <Kilos> inetpro, fix it
[09:26]  * Kilos waits for ai!
[09:26] <Kilos> superfly, have you any follow up to your internet quiz thing?
[09:29] <magespawn> same old, same old here too
[09:41] <superfly> no
[09:41] <superfly> I just wanted to see what everyone thought
[09:41] <Kilos> ok
[09:42] <Kilos> have you no ideas about what we can do to improve the situation?
[10:09] <Squirm> QA: coffee please
[10:09] <QA> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[10:09] <Squirm> QA: coffee on
[10:09]  * QA puts the kettle on
[10:09] <Squirm> QA: coffee please
[10:09] <QA> Squirm: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[10:09] <Squirm> QA: coffee please
[10:09] <QA> Squirm: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[10:09] <Squirm> QA: largest
[10:09] <QA> Squirm: Excuse me?
[10:09] <Squirm> QA: larger
[10:09] <QA> Squirm: *blink*
[10:09] <Squirm> QA: large
[10:09] <QA> I'll make a jug full Squirm and you can topup at will, how's that?
[10:09] <Squirm> ^^
[10:13] <QA> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[10:35] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:35] <Kilos> lol she hasnt been taught yet
[10:37] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[10:39] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos hows life treating you today
[10:39] <Vince-0> skaaps being good??
[10:39] <Vince-0> flippen power outages at the office here making my life nice
[10:39] <Kilos> yeah digging trenches on and off
[10:39] <Kilos> power is a prob in za
[10:54] <magespawn> i ssh into two different hosts, on two different networks, but they have the same local ip address which creates a problem with the rsa key in the known hosts file
[10:54] <magespawn> what is the best way to solve this problem?
[10:55] <Kilos> change one hosts ip
[10:55] <Kilos> hehe
[10:55] <magespawn> and then redo the entire phone setup, not if it can avoided
[10:55] <Kilos> uoch
[10:55] <Kilos> ouch as well
[10:57] <magespawn> and to make things more interesting it is a virtual centos system on a windows 7 computer
[10:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:57] <Kilos> what happens if you  add /24 i think it was to one of the ip's
[10:58] <magespawn> and there is a Grandstream GXP4104 on the network too
[10:58] <Kilos> what is that?
[11:02] <magespawn> IP analog gateway
[11:03] <Kilos> doesnt adding /24 make it use the whole range
[11:03] <magespawn> a device that takes the physical connection from telom/phone company and put it onto  your VoIP network.
[11:03] <Kilos> been a while since i worried about ip's
[11:04] <magespawn> s/telom/telkom
[11:08] <magespawn> i can just remove the old key and then ssh and the new key is added automagically, but since i use both machines regularly i would need to this constantly
[11:13] <magespawn> what would happen if i ssh into them using the host name defined in /etc/hosts? i would have to manually define them and i would end up with two host name using the same address
[11:14] <magespawn> time for coffee
[11:14] <magespawn> QA coffee please
[11:14] <QA> magespawn: There isn't a pot on
[11:14] <magespawn> QA coffee on
[11:14]  * QA washes some mugs
[11:14] <magespawn> QA large
[11:14] <QA> I'll make a jug full magespawn and you can topup at will, how's that?
[11:14] <magespawn> QA fine thank you
[11:14] <QA> sure thing, magespawn
[11:14]  * magespawn goes to get non digital coffee
[11:18] <QA> Coffee's ready for magespawn!
[11:24] <magespawn> ty QA
[11:24] <magespawn> QA ty
[11:24] <QA> You're welcome magespawn
[11:32] <Kilos> hehe
[11:32] <Kilos> you need to get more clever magespawn so we can teach her to braai for us as well
[11:33] <magespawn> indeed
[11:34] <liamT> greetings everyone
[11:34] <Kilos> hi liamT 
[11:35] <magespawn> hi liamT 
[11:36] <Kilos> no maaz and meeting tonight at 20.30
[11:36] <Kilos> sorry tomorrow night
[11:40] <magespawn> maybe he will be back by then
[11:40] <magespawn> he/she/it
[11:40] <Kilos> we gotta rev the pro to rev the crash kid
[11:51] <Kilos> eish magespawn no one even gives you a clue what to do there
[11:51] <Kilos> i wonder what happens if you add A or B to and ip
[11:53] <magespawn> ipv4 only work with numbers 4 sets of 3
[11:53] <magespawn> like so xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where x = 0-9
[11:54] <magespawn> \24 specifies the subnet which also works in the same number scheme
[11:55] <magespawn> \24 shows the number of bits used for the subnet mask
[11:57] <magespawn> so for example 192.168.1.1\24 is ip 192.168.1.1 subnet mask 255.255.255.0 
[11:58] <magespawn> sorry supposed to use / not \
[11:58] <Kilos> too much time on windows that \ habbit
[11:58] <Kilos> habit
[11:59] <magespawn> brain exercise switching from one os to another, did a network wireless ap from a mac the other day
[12:00] <Kilos> ive never seen a mac so dunno what they are all about
[12:00] <magespawn> this also determines how many network points you can have on the network
[12:01] <magespawn> mac os is based on bsd a unix/linux varient
[12:01] <magespawn> variant 
[12:01] <Kilos> cant be too bad then
[12:02] <magespawn> no relatively straight forward, different keys to do similar actions
[12:02] <Kilos> ah
[12:04] <Kilos> hi psydroid_ 
[12:06] <psydroid_> hi Kilos 
[12:19] <Vince-0> !
[12:28] <Kilos> wb liamT 
[12:33] <liamT> ah tnx
[12:33] <psydroid_> hi Vince-0 
[12:33] <psydroid_> hi liamT 
[12:34] <magespawn> hi psydroid_ 
[12:34] <magespawn> Kilos, mac has command key 
[12:35] <Kilos> oh
[12:35] <psydroid_> hi magespawn 
[12:38] <magespawn> used for keyboard shortcuts
[12:38] <Kilos> like when we use compose key?
[13:17] <Trixar_za> Righto - that fixed the one issue I was having with Lubuntu
[13:46] <magespawn> Kilos similar, like alt and ctrl in win
[13:46] <magespawn> home time later all
[13:51] <Vince-0> !
[13:51] <Golynx> o/
[14:50] <Kilos> wassup Trixar_za 
[14:50] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[14:56] <Trixar_za> Just getting annoyed - how about you Kilos?
[14:58] <Kilos> im ok ty
[14:58] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy lubuntu or xubuntu
[14:58] <Kilos> wbb.. reboot time
[15:19] <Golynx> oh hi Kilos :)
[15:28] <Golynx> i can understand i dont like Lubuntu, but xubuntu ? hmm
[15:29] <Golynx> but technically i havn't used Xubuntu lol , only ubuntu with Xfce :)
[15:30] <Trixar_za> Yeah - trying to compile the latest usb_modeswitch
[15:30] <Trixar_za> but because of some stupid ass things in lubuntu, I can't seem to get it to work
[15:31] <Trixar_za> This has been reported to compile fine on Ubuntu 13.10 though, so it's probably something Lubuntu's dev broke
[15:35] <kbmonkey> hello
[15:37] <Golynx> Lubuntu is good for schools with old donated pc's
[15:38] <Golynx> hi kbmonkey
[15:42] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey  
[15:42] <kbmonkey> meeting tonight folks!
[15:44] <Kilos> tomorrow night kbmonkey  
[15:45] <Trixar_za> Eh, I might just go back to SliTaz
[15:45] <Trixar_za> This is a pain in the ass to fix
[15:45] <kbmonkey> gotcha Kilos, I see the google calendar reminder says it is tonight.
[15:46] <Golynx> aint the meeting always on a Tuesday night
[15:46] <Kilos> hmm... sue inetpro  
[15:48] <kbmonkey> nah, the pro did not create this event, I will contact the creator
[15:48] <Trixar_za> Also: Lubuntu - takes about 1 hour to install
[15:48] <Kilos> dont you get the email from g+
[15:48] <Trixar_za> SliTaz: 5 minutes
[15:48] <Golynx> i mean on the last Tuesday of every month
[15:48] <Kilos> i got one 2 days ago announcing the meet but didnt check what day
[15:49] <Kilos> Trixar_za  why you using lubuntu anyway you were always a slitaz peep
[15:50] <Trixar_za> Wanted to create a build enviroment for sakis3g
[15:50] <Golynx> hmm you know there will be a meeting but dont know when lol
[15:50] <Trixar_za> Total fail with Lubuntu though >.>
[15:50] <Trixar_za> On the upside - Lubutu did come with most of the codecs you can ever need pre-installed
[15:51] <Golynx> Kilos: what did you not like about xubuntu
[15:52] <Golynx> a little screenshot of my xubuntu http://picpaste.com/scr-10bwtrfN.jpg
[15:52] <Kilos> i coundnt get sound working for starters 
[15:52] <Kilos> and there were other little things
[15:52] <Golynx> i'm satisfied :)
[15:53] <Golynx> sound works perfect on mine though
[15:53] <Kilos> ya ive always had sound hassles
[15:53] <Golynx> i can even make complex sound effects and tone generations 
[15:54] <Kilos> but with this new pc i expected everything to just work
[15:54] <Kilos> but now xchat hasnt got sound
[15:54] <Golynx> oh i see
[15:54] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Yeah like the scanlines resolution it kept defaulting to - it still does so if I press ctrl+alt+f1. Then there is the compiling issue and how a whole 3GB just disappeared into the ether.
[15:54] <Golynx> that sounds like a sound card software issue maybe
[15:55] <Kilos> eeeek
[15:55] <Trixar_za> While I like the interface - there is minor issues that make me hate it - the hexchat thing on the taskbar is also annoying
[15:56] <Kilos> ami Trixar_za  i have the d-link working on three drives
[15:57] <Kilos> disable network in nm then use sakis3g to only switch modem then enable networking again and nm sees the dwm-156
[15:57] <Kilos> but draisburgerfof okes say it works and dont answer posts
[15:58] <Trixar_za> Actually I like network manager
[15:59] <Kilos> so when is the new sakis available
[15:59] <Kilos> ya nm rocks
[15:59] <Trixar_za> works great with my cellphone when I plug it in with the usb cable
[15:59] <Trixar_za> Just click 8ta.default and it connects me
[15:59] <Trixar_za> Slight bitch with the 3g modem though, but sakis3g seems to still work for me
[15:59] <Kilos> ya but not with the new telkom modem
[16:00] <Kilos> sakis works here still but then evo and pidgin dont connect
[16:00] <Trixar_za> That's weird
[16:00] <Trixar_za> Oh right
[16:00] <Kilos> i want a sakis3g that dont go the APN_PASS stuff
[16:01] <Trixar_za> if I use sakis3g I can't use firefox until I turn off offline mode
[16:01] <Trixar_za> I disabled the 'helpful' lubuntu extension and that solved the problem...
[16:01] <Kilos> but anyway it looks to me like the telkom modem is missing something that triggers modeswitch
[16:02] <Kilos> i also tried using 2 modems and the old one trigger modeswitch then nm could see and connect with bot
[16:02] <Kilos> both
[16:04] <Trixar_za> I wonder if I'm missing a setting in sakis3g for telkom mobile
[16:05] <Trixar_za> Like the network code or something
[16:06] <Kilos> i got it connected with sakis
[16:06] <Kilos> sakis works
[16:07] <Kilos> only evo and pidgin and having to enter the APN_PASS and the other command is painful
[16:07] <Kilos> APN_USER
[16:10] <Trixar_za> Nope - they use the same code
[16:12] <Trixar_za> What happens if you change the proxy setting in pidgin from noproxy to system default?
[16:12] <Kilos> still dont connect
[16:12] <Trixar_za> Weird
[16:13] <Kilos> but nm works lekker so sakis is my backup like for a new install i can still get online for updating upgrading
[16:18] <Kilos> hi not_found  
[16:19] <Kilos> the sound works on other things Golynx  
[16:19] <Kilos> pidgin sound works fine but xchat dont
[16:20] <not_found> install mplayer and use that to play xchat sounds
[16:20] <not_found> hi uncle Kilos
[16:20] <Kilos> i have not_found  
[16:20] <Kilos> sill no sound
[16:20] <Golynx> oh okay Kilos
[16:21] <Golynx> hi not_found
[16:21] <not_found> that is strange then
[16:21] <not_found> hi Golynx
[16:21] <Kilos> unless i use mplayer and point it too /usr/share/sounds/bell.ogg but them no bell.ogg just a heavy static noise like when tv signal dies
[16:22] <Kilos> but konversation sound works lekker
[16:23] <Golynx> hmm xchat sound not working in mine either
[16:24] <Kilos> you gotta go to settings alerts an tick the top 2 rows and next 2 rows the last 2 blocks
[16:25] <Kilos> preferences i think it be called
[16:25] <Golynx> mine only plays the custom sounds , not the default list
[16:25] <Kilos> you hear a bloep?
[16:26] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[16:26] <Kilos> Golynx  
[16:26] <Golynx> nope, none of the default sounds play, only when i load custom sounds it works
[16:27] <Kilos> ai! it used to work so lekker
[16:27] <not_found> I have seen a number of people start to use hexchat instead of xchat
[16:28] <Kilos> i have same probs with hexchat
[16:28] <Golynx> but i never use xchat though
[16:29] <Kilos> xchat very lekker
[16:29] <Golynx> there may  be other irc clients that will work
[16:29] <Kilos> still think its the best irc client when you get sound working
[16:31] <Golynx> Did you try the option - External sound playing program : ?
[16:31] <Kilos> yeah konversation works here but its an extra 230 meg space used on drive and takes long to show who is online
[16:31] <Kilos> yip
[16:31] <Kilos> that when i get the static noise instead of sound
[16:32] <Golynx> oh , maybe there is a player out there that will work
[16:32] <not_found> I always get static until I specify mplayer to be used as an external player
[16:32] <not_found> I would imagine one could even specify something like vlc
[16:33] <Kilos> only thing i dont like about konversation is that after disconnecting scroll backs go kinda gray
[16:34] <Kilos> so no highlighted nicks and so on. makes it hard to find things in scrollback
[16:35] <not_found> how about quassel? it is the default irc for kubuntu?
[16:37] <Kilos> i dont get sound with quassel running on unity
[16:39] <not_found> hmmm, perhaps install pavucontrol or run alsa-mixer and make sure all the relevant sound sliders are up
[16:39] <Kilos> ill try quassel on kde when i get to that drive again
[16:40] <Kilos> konversation lekker here atm 
[16:40] <Kilos> and ctrl+r underlines 
[16:40] <Kilos>  so you know where you left off
[16:43] <not_found> most clients does that automatically if you aren't reading the specific channel it underlines (I know #ubuntu-za often doesn't which is strange however)
[16:45] <Kilos> ya but thats if you in some other app or channel here i can underline and leave this channel open
[16:49] <not_found> I guess
[16:49] <not_found> everyone has a work flow that works for them :)
[16:50] <Kilos> lol ya when im digging outside sometimes there is lots to catch up on
[16:58] <magespawn> good evening
[16:59] <not_found> o/
[16:59] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[17:08] <Golynx> Maaz how was the holiday
[17:08] <Maaz> Golynx: I already know stuff about how
[17:08] <Golynx> hmm i guess not so good :/
[17:11] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash  
[17:11] <cocooncrash> Kilos: np
[17:11] <Kilos> all well cocooncrash  ?
[17:12] <Kilos> you super busy there hey?
[17:12] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Well, but busy, yeah
[17:14] <not_found> tea time
[17:14] <Kilos> Maaz  wb
[17:14] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[17:15]  * Golynx wants coffee
[17:15] <Golynx> hi cocooncrash
[17:16] <cocooncrash> Hi Golynx 
[17:45] <Kilos> hi smile  
[17:45] <Kilos> wb
[17:45] <Golynx> hey smile
[17:46] <smile> hi, thanks :D
[17:46] <smile> I'm feeling better now (36.5 degrees inside, much better ;) )
[17:47] <Kilos> wow you in arabia?
[17:48] <Kilos> 36.5°c or f
[17:48] <smile> no, lol :p celsius
[17:48] <Kilos> thats hot
[17:48] <smile> inside => inside myself ;)
[17:48] <Kilos> oh you had some hot coffee
[17:49] <not_found> lol
[17:50] <Golynx> i always heard 37° was a normal human temp 
[17:50] <Kilos> 36.8 to 37.2 is normal
[17:50] <Golynx> thats it Kilos 
[17:51] <Golynx> so the body core should always hover in that ranges
[17:51] <Kilos> yeah
[17:52] <Golynx> my toes are aching of the cold , so they wont need those kinda temps :)
[17:54] <Kilos> big cold front hitting the cape tonight and tomorrow
[18:01] <Golynx> thanks Kilos, i never watch the weather anymore, climate change mess up everything lol
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> shepherds always watch the weather
[18:02] <Kilos> and farmers
[18:03] <Golynx> yeah thats true
[18:04] <not_found> also weathermen... they tend to also watch the weather... and talk about it...
[18:08] <Kilos> rofl
[18:17] <magespawn> good night all
[18:17] <not_found> night
[18:34] <smile> I had 37.5, but since the temperature measure was incorrect (wikipedia NL states that you under-measure with the method I did) i had to do +1 :p
[18:34] <smile> so actually I was at 38.5 degrees C :p
[18:42] <Kilos> ah running a fever
[18:43] <Kilos> you sick??
[18:51] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Don't forget tomorrow nights meeting here at 20.30 everyone
[18:51] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Don't forget tomorrow nights meeting here at 20.30 everyone
[18:54] <Kilos> night shift ThatGraemeGuy  ?
[18:55] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, i have to push a few buttons at 9, confirm with client nothing broke and then go sleep off this cold i got :-/
[18:56] <Kilos> eish
[18:56] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[19:27] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight. dont forget tomorrow nights meeting please
[19:47] <smile> :)
[22:27] <Private_User> evening all
[22:27] <Private_User> or should I say morning :)
[22:28] <not_found> morning sounds about right Private_User :)
[22:29] <Private_User> hey not_found, hows it going
[22:29] <not_found> fine thanks and yourself?
[22:29] <Private_User> not too bad
[22:29] <not_found> good to hear :)
[22:31] <Private_User> still trying to figure out what else could be causing my internet connectivity issues on my vista machine and my lubuntu machine is still in pieces since I need to get some thermal paste to put it back together
[22:31] <not_found> sucks
[22:32] <Private_User> tried everything so far using anti spyware and malware software which they seem to have found an cleared. Connectivity seems to be better but still not 100%
[22:32] <not_found> if it was me I would nuke the windows install and re-install
[22:32] <Private_User> and its very random so not sure what else to check cause the service provider says all issues on their side resolved
[22:33] <Private_User> wish I could but I do not have a copy of it
[22:33] <not_found> oops
[22:35] <Private_User> I was thinking of just cleaning and installing ubuntu on this machine as well but not sure since I might need to work on windows in case I gets some work where a client requires it
[22:36] <Private_User> do you know if I install ubuntu on a Virtual PC will what ever is causing the internet issue on the host affect the virtual PC?
[22:36] <not_found> yup, the virtual machine is fully at the mercy of the host...
[22:36] <Private_User> :(
[22:37] <not_found> except if there was a specific application or something causing the issue on Windows, and if you then didn't run it obviously you won't have the issue
[22:38] <Private_User> ok let me try that and it also gives me another idea...
[22:38] <Private_User> if I boot the laptop using the live ubuntu image can I test using that?
[22:39] <Private_User> then I probably will be able to determine if it is my machine or the ISP
[22:39] <not_found> yes that can work
[22:41] <Private_User> great let me start with install the Virtual machine first, would you say ubuntu will work fine on this machine (Intel Pentium Dual Core 2.17GHz, 2GB RAM) or should I use Lubuntu?
[22:42] <not_found> ubuntu will work... give at least 1gb to the virtual machine
[22:43] <Private_User> ok cool thanks
[22:57] <Private_User> what about video memory?
[22:58] <not_found> the default should be fine...
[22:58] <not_found> I always bump it up to 128
[22:59] <Private_User> thanks but the max I get is 128
[23:00] <Private_User> and the default is currently 12MB
[23:00] <not_found> that is the max yes
[23:00] <Private_User> so if I change it will it affect the host?
[23:00] <not_found> default will work, 128 will also work ... and I can vouch for 128 :p
[23:00] <not_found> not really
[23:00] <Private_User> ok then I change it to 128
[23:00] <Private_User> :D
[23:00] <not_found> afaik it uses conventional ram and not video ram
[23:01] <not_found> that is one of the reasons virtual machines suck for gaming
[23:02] <Private_User> ok then I will leave as defaukt for now and will change it later if need be
[23:02] <Private_User> *default