[00:29] <alteregoa> those DRM-Intel kernels are for intel cpu only? or do they support Radeon too?
[00:30] <rww> one would presume they're for Intel GPUs
[00:30] <rww> perhaps you should ask the person who made them?
[00:30] <Daekdroom> !mainline
[00:31] <Daekdroom> drm-intel- is interesting for those that need new features from the DRM for Intel cards.
[00:31] <Daekdroom> drm-next I think is for Radeon cards, possibly Nvidia opensource drivers, but I'm not sure about that.
[00:39] <alteregoa> for my opinion drm should be the way to go for future desktop ubuntu versions, people don't have to fiddle around with GPU acceleration, it just works...
[00:49] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure I understand you. Both closed-source binaries (which do not use DRM, despite complying with DRI) and open-source drivers (DRM+ DRI) use GPU acceleration.
[00:51] <alteregoa> afaik DRM = Direct render Manager
[00:51] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[00:51] <alteregoa> you can access GPGPU in user mode
[00:51] <Daekdroom> I don't understand how DRM means "not having to fiddle with GPU acceleration"
[00:52] <Daekdroom> Unless you mean fetching and installing drivers.
[00:52] <alteregoa> never heard drm kernel using cs because intel gpu drivers are opened...`
[00:52] <alteregoa> e.g a program in userspace could access higher level gpu w/o xorg in between or something
[00:54] <Daekdroom> Oh. So you're talking about apps? I thought it referred to end-users.
[00:55] <alteregoa> wayland
[00:56] <Daekdroom> Yup. Wayland (and Mir, for Ubuntu) should simplify GPU acceleration by quite a lot once they're mature.
[00:56] <alteregoa> yeah but they are based on drm afaik
[00:57] <Daekdroom> I wouldn't say based, but they do rely on it for the open-source drivers.
[00:57] <Daekdroom> Either way, AMD and Nvidia can decide to support Wayland and/or Mir on their drivers without using DRM.
[00:58] <alteregoa> ok but for my opinion this is the way to go - it simplify a lot of things for end users
[00:58] <alteregoa> nvidia sucks
[01:08] <saiarcot895> Is it standard for LTS released to be released as development releases one month prior to the offical launch?
[06:57] <hyde> sandGorgon: I'm not very "in" in Ubuntu development, but I've never heard of Ubuntu "development releases". But there's the normal alpha(s)-beta(s)-relasecandidate(s) cycle.
[06:58] <hyde> sandGorgon: argh, ignore above
[06:58] <hyde> sleepy eyes + tab completion, when responsing to someone who wasn't in the channel any more. sorry
[08:42] <prainworker> good mornin  g ! yesterday night i try to install the pkg ubuntu restricted extras it did fail to install and now software store is not working any more please help
[08:43] <prainworker> how to i clean up my pkg list
[09:31] <huayra> I have a regression in my Thinkpad X201 which is really annoying
[09:32] <huayra> when in my docking the computer work pretty good, but when I take it out most works, besides the screen brightness adjustmnet
[09:32] <huayra> I mean, it shows as if it adjusting it, but it keeps the monitor to a low level brightness and never goes up (or even changes)
[09:33] <huayra> I thought I would ask here before going bug hunting
[09:45] <utack> linux 3.14 will likely be released next weekend. kernel freeze is arpil 3rd. let's hope for the best
[11:42] <starrats> I hope someone is here this morning that can help me with my logon problem(s)?  My problem is when I try to logon on to the little password screen my cursor freezes/locks up and will not mover off the little window, have tried everything I know to release the cursor. I end up doing a hard shutdown to reboot and try again and this has been numerous lately, please someone if you know a solution please let me know and thank you.
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:48] <starrats> morning
[12:19] <starrats> I hope someone is here this morning that can help me with my logon problem(s)?  My problem is when I try to logon on to the little password screen my cursor freezes/locks up and will not mover off the little window, have tried everything I know to release the cursor. I end up doing a hard shutdown to reboot and try again and this has been numerous lately, please someone if you know a solution please let me know and thank you.
[12:27] <kjetil_> starrats: Have you tried to restart psmouse
[12:34] <starrats> kjetil:  psmouse?
[12:36] <starrats> kjetil:  I have a laptop with a 'mousepad'
[12:38] <kjetil_> starrats: first modprobe -r psmouse  an then modprobe  psmouse      as root
[12:39] <kjetil_> starrats: psmouse is the kernel module driving your mouse
[12:39] <starrats> ah okay will try that
[12:44] <starrats> kjetil:  just did those two commands in root and I did not get any response from term is this good or bad, I'm new in the cli but learning.
[12:46] <kjetil_> starrats: this is normaly good, no response is "not bad"
[12:46] <kjetil_> starrats: did your mouse come to life?
[12:47] <starrats> well I have no mouse just a mousepad as you find on a laptop
[12:49] <kjetil_> starrats: but can you move your curser after you resarted psmouse
[12:49] <starrats> the only way I could see if this worked would be to reboot the laptop
[12:49] <starrats> yes
[12:50] <starrats> the cursor is moving quite nice
[12:50] <kjetil_> starrats: restarting psmouse shuld have the same efect as rebooting
[12:53] <starrats> well mousepad seems to be working fine atm but my true test is to reboot and see if it freezes or not, that has been the only problem I have with the cursor at start-up
[12:53] <kjetil_> starrats: this will probably not solve your problem it will only point you in a direction when figuring out what the reason is for the curser locks up. and save you from rebooting
[12:54] <starrats> ah ok
[12:54] <kjetil_> starrats: starrats when i had this problem i fount it helped turning down the use of desktop effects.
[12:55] <starrats> desktop effects?
[12:55] <elfy> settings - window manager tweaks - compositor - turn it off
[12:56] <elfy> starrats: people are more likely to assume you're using ubuntu if you don't mention anything
[12:56] <elfy> or what they are using
[12:56] <starrats> ah ok
[12:57] <starrats> I'm using pre-release xubuntu 14.04, sorry forgot that
[13:01] <starrats> the compositor was not enabled when i just looked elfy
[13:56] <nicklas_> hello, ubuntu 14.04 will have nvidia optimus support?
[13:58] <DJones> nicklas_: I've got a laptop with intel/nvidia 750M graphics, I installed 14.04 and it worked fine for intel, then installed the nvidia-prime drivers, rebooted & it worked flawlessly
[13:59] <DJones> I can switch between intel & nvidia using the nvidia controls app (with reboot/relogin)
[13:59] <oxsyn> On 14.04 when I run apt-get dist-upgrade, my custom compiled vim binary in /usr/local/bin is removed from the system and my update-alternatives configuration is reset. Is this the way it's supposed to act?
[13:59] <nicklas_> DJones: so no need for bumblebee from ubuntu 14.04?
[13:59] <DJones> nicklas_: No, none at all
[14:01] <DJones> nicklas_: Mine was a fresh install and hadn't had bumblebee installed, but I presume if you've already had that installed, you need to completely remove it first
[14:03] <nicklas_> DJones: i have a new asus netbook, bought it without checking that it had optimus, if a had known that, i would have gone with a stationary computer instead (desktop). i wiped the ssd and hdd, and therefore removed the windows 8 recovery partition, and installed xubuntu, and found that i couldnt install the nvidia driver :-/ but ok, then i think i will wait for 14.04 and go with prime, install and upgrade when release, and then in
[14:03] <nicklas_> DJones: i have nothing installed atm, at work, my computer is at home
[14:04] <DJones> nicklas_: As far as I know, prime will also work with 13.10
[14:04] <DJones> nicklas_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[14:04] <nicklas_> DJones: but how do i install prime? will it be available to install via the additional drivers tab? or will it be in repos?
[14:06] <nicklas_> DJones: also, will prime be the default? or is it just temporary like bumblebee, until there is a better solution? also, will it install the fast switch thingy, in panel?
[14:06] <DJones> nicklas_: I'm not sure about the additional drivers tab, I just did it from a terminal, sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 (I think) nvidia-prime and reboot
[14:07] <DJones> I suspect prime is going to be a long term solution
[14:08] <DJones> Probably still a work in progress with further improvements to come
[14:08] <nicklas_> ok
[14:08] <nicklas_> thanks for all the info, need to go :-)
[14:08] <DJones> Good luck & you're welcome
[14:41] <cyberalex4life> hello, I am trying to change themes on trusty with unity-tweak-tool and ubuntu-tweak
[14:42] <cyberalex4life> but I can't change them sepparetly, only icons
[14:44] <darthanubis> maybe kind of early for that no?
[14:45] <cyberalex4life> maybe..
[14:45] <darthanubis> I have tweak installed but have not done too much with it at this point
[14:46] <cyberalex4life> at least trusty seems more stable than saucy when released
[14:46] <darthanubis> I was going to ask about how it feels to others
[14:46] <darthanubis> and to me, it seems ok so far
[14:46] <darthanubis> gnome-screensavers was broken last week
[14:46] <darthanubis> but it seems fixed now
[14:46] <darthanubis> That was my only bug
[14:46] <cyberalex4life> well, I would prefer gnome-shell over unity
[14:47] <darthanubis> then use it
[14:47] <cyberalex4life> the reason why I am on unity is that nvidia-prime is on unity
[14:47] <darthanubis> oh
[14:47] <cyberalex4life> and could not successfully change gdm with lightdm
[14:47] <darthanubis> I dropped nvidia after issues with my xbmc box
[14:48] <darthanubis> laptops are all intel
[14:48] <cyberalex4life> well it has some tearing effect with nvidia prime
[14:50] <cyberalex4life> and you better not change any nvidia settings at all. had problems with that
[14:51] <cyberalex4life> the main reason why I do not like unity now is that is too glossy and messes with my eyes, so that's why I want to play with themes
[17:34] <pepee> if linux 3.14.0 is released next week, will we have it in trusty?
[17:39] <aljosa> scrolling is to fast w/ touchpad, tried using synclient to fix it but didn't work. any other tools to fix scrolling speed?
[17:43] <k1l_> pepee: no. but features  or fixes get backported
[17:45] <pepee> k1l_, ah, ok
[17:53] <Fudge> are there any users here that use Orca
[17:53] <Fudge> Bug #1297429
[17:54] <Fudge> looking for someoen to confirm this bug for me please
[18:41] <bluefrog> don't knw how orca works but so far it seems pretty bad in firefox
[20:15] <johnjohn101> getting close
[20:27] <wolfy1339> i cant check for updates at all, when i do "apt-get update" i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7153061/
[20:45] <pepee> wolfy1339, that looks like connection problems from your side
[20:48] <wolfy1339> it's not... i can open it in a browser just fine, and i'm on irc right now on the pc concerned... so defenetly not that
[20:53] <wolfy1339> pepee it can't be connection problems because i can access the repo's in my browser just fine...
[21:01] <pepee> wolfy1339, are you using a proxy?
[21:02] <wolfy1339> pepee, no
[21:05] <pepee> wolfy1339, no idea, sorry
[21:11] <johnjohn101> what are the chances of kernel 3.14 if it's released next week?
[21:53] <CraHan> Does anyone happen to know if there's any way to suppress the 'wireless networks available' and 'you've been disconnected' notifications when you reach the login screen in 14.04?
[21:54] <CraHan> I know you can use dconf as a user, but that only changes the setting for that specific user.
[21:54] <CraHan> I haven't found how to change a dconf setting globally (if that's even possible)
[22:12] <Beldar> CraHan, I on occasion run gksudo dconf-editor in the cli when needed but be careful.
[22:18] <CraHan> Beldar: thanks for the tip. Got it working by sudo'ing to the lightdm account and using gsettings to set the correct dconf key
[22:22] <CraHan> Of course an option to disable wireless at the lightdm login screen would be an ideal solution for me
[22:35] <bluefrog> wolfy1339, have a look at the conf files  in /etc/apt. you must have done something with them
[22:35] <wolfy1339> no i didn't
[22:37] <bluefrog> then ask ovh what's wrong with their repo
[22:38] <bluefrog> and by the way 13.10 is dead no?
[22:38] <wolfy1339> ovh??
[22:39] <bluefrog> well you are trying to update a machine held by ovh, no?
[22:39] <bluefrog> this machine is not at your house, correct?
[22:40] <wolfy1339> it is at my house, and it's 14.0
[22:40] <wolfy1339> *14.04
[22:40] <bluefrog> then it's funny. when did you install 14.04 and how did you do it?
[22:40] <bluefrog> because you're trying to access an ovh machine
[22:41] <bluefrog> whois 198.27.97.214
[22:41] <bluefrog> and you're trying to reach the 13.10 repo
[22:41] <bluefrog> http://ppa.launchpad.net saucy Release.gpg
[22:42] <wolfy1339> yes for some packages, that don't have trusty versions
[22:42] <bluefrog> your config is all mixed up. time to do a clean install
[22:42] <wolfy1339> clean install of what? my whole system?
[22:43] <bluefrog> and what       grep -r 7808 /etc/apt/*   gives?
[22:45] <wolfy1339> grep: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: Permission denied
[22:45] <bluefrog> do you have your own repo?
[22:46] <wolfy1339> my own repo?
[22:46] <bluefrog> aptcacher or something like that
[22:46] <wolfy1339> no
[22:50] <bluefrog> then a ghost is in your machine
[22:50] <wolfy1339> a ghost?
[22:51] <bluefrog> pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[22:52] <bluefrog> someone has changed the repo. as it's not me and you say it's not you then it has to be a ghost
[22:53] <wolfy1339> the only thing i've done is add repo's through system settings... other than that nothing else i have touched
[22:53] <bluefrog> and possibly do as well   sudo updatedb && locate apt.conf
[22:53] <bluefrog> pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[22:54] <wolfy1339> http://pastebin.com/AANdLhCZ
[22:55] <pepee> http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu
[22:56] <bluefrog> wolfy1339, sources.list is good so you have a proxy declared somewhere in your machine
[22:56] <pepee> that one is down.. but the others should work
[22:56] <k1l> remove the non ubuntu stuff form that sources.list
[22:57] <k1l> and dont mix 13.10 packages into your 14.04 system
[22:57] <k1l> that has to get wrong. but dont blame ubuntu for that
[22:57] <wolfy1339> i checked, and there's one but it should have been disabled when i put the setting as "none"
[22:57] <Ben64> what is the preferred way of getting a classic gnome look and feel on trusty?
[22:58] <wolfy1339> i cleared it
[22:58] <bluefrog> wolfy1339, obviously it's not disabled for apt
[22:58] <k1l> Ben64: the gnome-fallback thing? no matter what its called now
[22:58] <Ben64> yeah i'm not sure what its called now
[22:58] <Ben64> 12.04 i installed gnome-panel and it did it
[22:58] <wolfy1339> k thx
[22:58] <Ben64> i think theres a new method, build into gnome3?
[22:58] <k1l> wolfy1339: set a # in front of that lines (or remove the lines). then run a sudo apt-get update
[23:05] <bluefrog> bad wolfy, he's gone