[00:29] those DRM-Intel kernels are for intel cpu only? or do they support Radeon too? [00:30] one would presume they're for Intel GPUs [00:30] perhaps you should ask the person who made them? [00:30] !mainline [00:30] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [00:31] drm-intel- is interesting for those that need new features from the DRM for Intel cards. [00:31] drm-next I think is for Radeon cards, possibly Nvidia opensource drivers, but I'm not sure about that. [00:39] for my opinion drm should be the way to go for future desktop ubuntu versions, people don't have to fiddle around with GPU acceleration, it just works... [00:49] I'm not sure I understand you. Both closed-source binaries (which do not use DRM, despite complying with DRI) and open-source drivers (DRM+ DRI) use GPU acceleration. [00:51] afaik DRM = Direct render Manager [00:51] Yeah. [00:51] you can access GPGPU in user mode [00:51] I don't understand how DRM means "not having to fiddle with GPU acceleration" [00:52] Unless you mean fetching and installing drivers. [00:52] never heard drm kernel using cs because intel gpu drivers are opened...` [00:52] e.g a program in userspace could access higher level gpu w/o xorg in between or something [00:54] Oh. So you're talking about apps? I thought it referred to end-users. [00:55] wayland [00:56] Yup. Wayland (and Mir, for Ubuntu) should simplify GPU acceleration by quite a lot once they're mature. [00:56] yeah but they are based on drm afaik [00:57] I wouldn't say based, but they do rely on it for the open-source drivers. [00:57] Either way, AMD and Nvidia can decide to support Wayland and/or Mir on their drivers without using DRM. [00:58] ok but for my opinion this is the way to go - it simplify a lot of things for end users [00:58] nvidia sucks [01:08] Is it standard for LTS released to be released as development releases one month prior to the offical launch? === no_mu is now known as Nothing_Much [06:57] sandGorgon: I'm not very "in" in Ubuntu development, but I've never heard of Ubuntu "development releases". But there's the normal alpha(s)-beta(s)-relasecandidate(s) cycle. [06:58] sandGorgon: argh, ignore above [06:58] sleepy eyes + tab completion, when responsing to someone who wasn't in the channel any more. sorry [08:42] good mornin g ! yesterday night i try to install the pkg ubuntu restricted extras it did fail to install and now software store is not working any more please help [08:43] how to i clean up my pkg list [09:31] I have a regression in my Thinkpad X201 which is really annoying [09:32] when in my docking the computer work pretty good, but when I take it out most works, besides the screen brightness adjustmnet [09:32] I mean, it shows as if it adjusting it, but it keeps the monitor to a low level brightness and never goes up (or even changes) [09:33] I thought I would ask here before going bug hunting [09:45] linux 3.14 will likely be released next weekend. kernel freeze is arpil 3rd. let's hope for the best [11:42] I hope someone is here this morning that can help me with my logon problem(s)? My problem is when I try to logon on to the little password screen my cursor freezes/locks up and will not mover off the little window, have tried everything I know to release the cursor. I end up doing a hard shutdown to reboot and try again and this has been numerous lately, please someone if you know a solution please let me know and thank you. [11:44] 'Morning folks [11:48] morning === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [12:19] I hope someone is here this morning that can help me with my logon problem(s)? My problem is when I try to logon on to the little password screen my cursor freezes/locks up and will not mover off the little window, have tried everything I know to release the cursor. I end up doing a hard shutdown to reboot and try again and this has been numerous lately, please someone if you know a solution please let me know and thank you. [12:27] starrats: Have you tried to restart psmouse === jack_ is now known as jack [12:34] kjetil: psmouse? [12:36] kjetil: I have a laptop with a 'mousepad' [12:38] starrats: first modprobe -r psmouse an then modprobe psmouse as root [12:39] starrats: psmouse is the kernel module driving your mouse [12:39] ah okay will try that [12:44] kjetil: just did those two commands in root and I did not get any response from term is this good or bad, I'm new in the cli but learning. [12:46] starrats: this is normaly good, no response is "not bad" [12:46] starrats: did your mouse come to life? [12:47] well I have no mouse just a mousepad as you find on a laptop [12:49] starrats: but can you move your curser after you resarted psmouse [12:49] the only way I could see if this worked would be to reboot the laptop [12:49] yes [12:50] the cursor is moving quite nice [12:50] starrats: restarting psmouse shuld have the same efect as rebooting [12:53] well mousepad seems to be working fine atm but my true test is to reboot and see if it freezes or not, that has been the only problem I have with the cursor at start-up [12:53] starrats: this will probably not solve your problem it will only point you in a direction when figuring out what the reason is for the curser locks up. and save you from rebooting [12:54] ah ok [12:54] starrats: starrats when i had this problem i fount it helped turning down the use of desktop effects. [12:55] desktop effects? [12:55] settings - window manager tweaks - compositor - turn it off [12:56] starrats: people are more likely to assume you're using ubuntu if you don't mention anything [12:56] or what they are using [12:56] ah ok [12:57] I'm using pre-release xubuntu 14.04, sorry forgot that [13:01] the compositor was not enabled when i just looked elfy === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [13:56] hello, ubuntu 14.04 will have nvidia optimus support? [13:58] nicklas_: I've got a laptop with intel/nvidia 750M graphics, I installed 14.04 and it worked fine for intel, then installed the nvidia-prime drivers, rebooted & it worked flawlessly [13:59] I can switch between intel & nvidia using the nvidia controls app (with reboot/relogin) [13:59] On 14.04 when I run apt-get dist-upgrade, my custom compiled vim binary in /usr/local/bin is removed from the system and my update-alternatives configuration is reset. Is this the way it's supposed to act? [13:59] DJones: so no need for bumblebee from ubuntu 14.04? [13:59] nicklas_: No, none at all [14:01] nicklas_: Mine was a fresh install and hadn't had bumblebee installed, but I presume if you've already had that installed, you need to completely remove it first [14:03] DJones: i have a new asus netbook, bought it without checking that it had optimus, if a had known that, i would have gone with a stationary computer instead (desktop). i wiped the ssd and hdd, and therefore removed the windows 8 recovery partition, and installed xubuntu, and found that i couldnt install the nvidia driver :-/ but ok, then i think i will wait for 14.04 and go with prime, install and upgrade when release, and then in [14:03] DJones: i have nothing installed atm, at work, my computer is at home [14:04] nicklas_: As far as I know, prime will also work with 13.10 [14:04] nicklas_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics [14:04] DJones: but how do i install prime? will it be available to install via the additional drivers tab? or will it be in repos? [14:06] DJones: also, will prime be the default? or is it just temporary like bumblebee, until there is a better solution? also, will it install the fast switch thingy, in panel? [14:06] nicklas_: I'm not sure about the additional drivers tab, I just did it from a terminal, sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 (I think) nvidia-prime and reboot [14:07] I suspect prime is going to be a long term solution [14:08] Probably still a work in progress with further improvements to come [14:08] ok [14:08] thanks for all the info, need to go :-) [14:08] Good luck & you're welcome [14:41] hello, I am trying to change themes on trusty with unity-tweak-tool and ubuntu-tweak [14:42] but I can't change them sepparetly, only icons [14:44] maybe kind of early for that no? [14:45] maybe.. [14:45] I have tweak installed but have not done too much with it at this point [14:46] at least trusty seems more stable than saucy when released [14:46] I was going to ask about how it feels to others [14:46] and to me, it seems ok so far [14:46] gnome-screensavers was broken last week [14:46] but it seems fixed now [14:46] That was my only bug [14:46] well, I would prefer gnome-shell over unity [14:47] then use it [14:47] the reason why I am on unity is that nvidia-prime is on unity [14:47] oh [14:47] and could not successfully change gdm with lightdm [14:47] I dropped nvidia after issues with my xbmc box [14:48] laptops are all intel [14:48] well it has some tearing effect with nvidia prime [14:50] and you better not change any nvidia settings at all. had problems with that [14:51] the main reason why I do not like unity now is that is too glossy and messes with my eyes, so that's why I want to play with themes === jack is now known as Guest60182 === Guest60182 is now known as jack === no_mu is now known as Nothing_Much [17:34] if linux 3.14.0 is released next week, will we have it in trusty? [17:39] scrolling is to fast w/ touchpad, tried using synclient to fix it but didn't work. any other tools to fix scrolling speed? [17:43] pepee: no. but features or fixes get backported [17:45] k1l_, ah, ok [17:53] are there any users here that use Orca [17:53] Bug #1297429 [17:53] bug 1297429 in unity (Ubuntu) "Using Firefox with Gnome-Orca the caret becomes unresponsive and Orca access keys such as headings buttons edit fields stop responding." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297429 [17:54] looking for someoen to confirm this bug for me please === gcollura is now known as gcollura|afk [18:41] don't knw how orca works but so far it seems pretty bad in firefox [20:15] getting close [20:27] i cant check for updates at all, when i do "apt-get update" i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7153061/ [20:45] wolfy1339, that looks like connection problems from your side [20:48] it's not... i can open it in a browser just fine, and i'm on irc right now on the pc concerned... so defenetly not that [20:53] pepee it can't be connection problems because i can access the repo's in my browser just fine... [21:01] wolfy1339, are you using a proxy? [21:02] pepee, no [21:05] wolfy1339, no idea, sorry [21:11] what are the chances of kernel 3.14 if it's released next week? === gcollura|afk is now known as gcollura [21:53] Does anyone happen to know if there's any way to suppress the 'wireless networks available' and 'you've been disconnected' notifications when you reach the login screen in 14.04? [21:54] I know you can use dconf as a user, but that only changes the setting for that specific user. [21:54] I haven't found how to change a dconf setting globally (if that's even possible) [22:12] CraHan, I on occasion run gksudo dconf-editor in the cli when needed but be careful. [22:18] Beldar: thanks for the tip. Got it working by sudo'ing to the lightdm account and using gsettings to set the correct dconf key [22:22] Of course an option to disable wireless at the lightdm login screen would be an ideal solution for me [22:35] wolfy1339, have a look at the conf files in /etc/apt. you must have done something with them [22:35] no i didn't [22:37] then ask ovh what's wrong with their repo [22:38] and by the way 13.10 is dead no? [22:38] ovh?? [22:39] well you are trying to update a machine held by ovh, no? [22:39] this machine is not at your house, correct? [22:40] it is at my house, and it's 14.0 [22:40] *14.04 [22:40] then it's funny. when did you install 14.04 and how did you do it? [22:40] because you're trying to access an ovh machine [22:41] whois 198.27.97.214 [22:41] and you're trying to reach the 13.10 repo [22:41] http://ppa.launchpad.net saucy Release.gpg [22:42] yes for some packages, that don't have trusty versions [22:42] your config is all mixed up. time to do a clean install [22:42] clean install of what? my whole system? [22:43] and what grep -r 7808 /etc/apt/* gives? [22:45] grep: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: Permission denied [22:45] do you have your own repo? [22:46] my own repo? [22:46] aptcacher or something like that [22:46] no [22:50] then a ghost is in your machine [22:50] a ghost? [22:51] pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list [22:52] someone has changed the repo. as it's not me and you say it's not you then it has to be a ghost [22:53] the only thing i've done is add repo's through system settings... other than that nothing else i have touched [22:53] and possibly do as well sudo updatedb && locate apt.conf [22:53] pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list [22:54] http://pastebin.com/AANdLhCZ [22:55] http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu [22:56] wolfy1339, sources.list is good so you have a proxy declared somewhere in your machine [22:56] that one is down.. but the others should work [22:56] remove the non ubuntu stuff form that sources.list [22:57] and dont mix 13.10 packages into your 14.04 system [22:57] that has to get wrong. but dont blame ubuntu for that [22:57] i checked, and there's one but it should have been disabled when i put the setting as "none" [22:57] what is the preferred way of getting a classic gnome look and feel on trusty? [22:58] i cleared it [22:58] wolfy1339, obviously it's not disabled for apt [22:58] Ben64: the gnome-fallback thing? no matter what its called now [22:58] yeah i'm not sure what its called now [22:58] 12.04 i installed gnome-panel and it did it [22:58] k thx [22:58] i think theres a new method, build into gnome3? [22:58] wolfy1339: set a # in front of that lines (or remove the lines). then run a sudo apt-get update [23:05] bad wolfy, he's gone